I'm so happy to see this!! My father wrote this song and it is so amazing to hear this recording!! He enjoyed listening to it again after all these years.
@liam-ashton1 You're welcome... I had to check back at this message because I thought I had replied; my apologies for the delay. I talked to my dad the next day to let him know you wanted to talk about his music. He said he wouldn't mind... he even has news articles with pictures to share as well.
We old collectors who grew up with this music are dying off. only a few young people are replacing us in strong desire to get original copies of these records. Therefore, the market is shrinking. Less bidders to bid up the prices.
I have 4 older brothers ( 65 and younger ) they use to throw my 45's againt the wall.. many of them were songs like this...now there is a dusty old box of old scratched up stuff I wish I could even find..
I've only played it about 5 times since I bought it about 5 years ago. I'm particular about changing styli and I make sure I adjust azimuth, vta and the counter balance properly, so my records definitely aren't taking a beating. I'm surprised it only booked for $700. This booked over $1,000 at one time.
Very fine offering from another group that deserved a better fate.I believe the great lead singer,Eugene Mumford,sang with these guys for a few years.Mumford was possibly the greatest lead of all time(He sang 'My Reverie" with the Larks and "Stardust",with Billy Ward`s Dominos)
Very rare too.. The boots of this are pretty rare too. I'm not sure if I still have my boot. I think I sent it to one of my friends when I found the original
Thank you... my dad wrote that song and is the lead singer you hear. When he heard it again it brought back lots of memories of the time he sang with his group back in the 50's.
@Tigermoon1950 im 26 here and i absolutly love this stuff. i think i am the life after death of a mobsters that had great taste in music. must say tho.. the ending is a bit funny
great,great harmony.PJ, i'm looking for info for my cousin and got interested myself, he's a hardcore doowop collector.He's not good on puters nor am I.I would like too know if there are any chat room that u and other collectors go on?. If so please respond, I would like too talk person too person if thats at all possable. Thanks Fred
I read a long post on uncamarvy site about The Detroit Serenaders, which said they had changed their name to The Royals by 1954, and that they have no connection to The Serenaders that recorded on Teen Life. Any insight?
Sorry! I was having a senior moment here, confusing this with a different record by Detroit's Serenaders from the early 1950s. Clearly, this Teen Life record was a New York Metro Area, pressed in New York, and this group was George Kerr, Sidney Barnes, Timothy(Tiny Tim) Wilson, and Howard Curry. Also, I confused The Detroit group's L.A. releases as a renamed group, The Muskateers as having been released on L.A.'s Record in Hollywood label, when it was L.A.'s Swing Time Records which released them. So, you are correct, Detroit's Serenaders had no connection to the Teen Life Group. I had seen the Teen Life record erroneously listed as a "Detroit record" so many times, I started to believe it. I grew up in Midwestern Canada and Chicago, so I didn't know anything about the Teen Life record or label, despite having heard The Serenaders' Chock Full of Hits records, and their version of "Never Let Me Go" is one of my favourite songs. I read that Detroit's Serenaders had masters leased to Red Robin in New York and Teen Life, and thought the Teen Life record was early'50s, rather than '58, and didn't connect it to the later, East Coast Serenaders.
I know the writer of this song, James Perry. He is alive and well in Battle Creek, Michigan. I am looking for a copy of this record. Does anyone know where I can get one?
I haven't gone in a chatroom in a long time. I'd suggest checking aol, aim, yahoo, msn, etc. They all usually have chatrooms. TheDooWopJukebox may have chats as well (if you google it the website will come up).
@PJDooWop - I track rare records. The value of any rare record is based on what the market will pay. What I am trying to find out is where this records falls in the "rare" category - where it might rank. I am coming up blank. Thank you.
If this is a record you're looking for, pick it up in any condition if an original pops up. I don't want to drop names but one very well known collector (who wrote a book about collecting rare records) told me that he came across his copy in the 70s and it's the only one he's ever seen. His copy, by the way, is cracked. This is up there with The Thrashers on Masons.. The Nutones on purple Combo.. The Del-Rios on Bet-T.... In other words, nearly impossible to find.
No! This is NOT the New York Serenaders (which Bobby Robinson discovered) with whom Gene Mumphord sang. This was a Detroit group, who later formed The royal Jokers, and got masters sold to L.A.'s Recorded in Hollywood.
+robbk1 If you want any history about the Detroit Serenaders, James Perry would be happy to provide any information. Just let me know and I can put you in touch with him.
@@deeannwhisler1681 If you are still out there, I am writing a blog post about a compilation that includes this song, so would be glad to have more info on it. If you can give me an email for James Perry, that would be great.
Robbk, what do you mean by L.A.'s above? Thanks for the info. I read a long post on uncamarvy site about The Detroit Serenaders, which said they had changed their name to The Royals by 1954, and that they have no connection to The Serenaders that recorded on Teen Life. Any insight?
Sorry! I was having a senior moment here, confusing this with a different record by Detroit's Serenaders from the early 1950s. Clearly, this Teen Life record was a New York Metro Area, pressed in New York, and this group was George Kerr, Sidney Barnes, Timothy(Tiny Tim) Wilson, and Howard Curry. Also, I confused The Detroit group's L.A. releases as a renamed group, The Muskateers as having been released on L.A.'s Record in Hollywood label, when it was L.A.'s Swing Time Records which released them.
Sounds like alittle testimonyof faith in this song.Bet the bank this man is a Christian.I hear his convictions in this song,and I love him,and his song.Listen to this.
This song appears on a recent compilation, Motor City Memories, Vol. 1. I did a blogpost on the lp (Side 1 so far); here is link if anyone is interested: joeleturner.wordpress.com/2020/11/02/motor-city-memories-vol-1-lp-review-and-guide/
some records are rare for a reason pal,because their tobelorone,this being one of them..! fkn $800+ are you sure! never did like Doo Wop anyway,Fuggeddaboudit...
I'm so happy to see this!! My father wrote this song and it is so amazing to hear this recording!! He enjoyed listening to it again after all these years.
How is he?
@liam-ashton1 He's doing good, thanks for asking... I'm his other daughter.
@@LadyJ2100 Wow thank you for letting me know. I would love to talk to him sometime Really great songs.
@@liam-ashton1 I spoke to him and he said that would be nice, do you have an email address?
@liam-ashton1 You're welcome... I had to check back at this message because I thought I had replied; my apologies for the delay. I talked to my dad the next day to let him know you wanted to talk about his music. He said he wouldn't mind... he even has news articles with pictures to share as well.
im 16 years ol been listning to doo qop my whole life ill tell you what this stuff aint ever gnna die out
This is what I call music
Now you need a beautiful woman to hold, dim the lights, and a night to remember.
Preach
@@III-ph5tu ✌
Thanks for the hard work uploading this great music. The music I grew up with.
Wow! Treasure of a song and Record.
One of the Holy Grails of vocal group collecting. I had a repro forever - never could find an original, just like everyone else.
What a haunting voice. Just great. I'd listen to him anytime.
I now finally have an original of this in my collection.
Very nice. Thanks for posting this one. Glad you found your 45 after all those years.
Thanks again PJ for another great upload. Now thanks to you I'm compiling my second 200-hit playlist entitled DooWop Discoveries!
We old collectors who grew up with this music are dying off. only a few young people are replacing us in strong desire to get original copies of these records. Therefore, the market is shrinking. Less bidders to bid up the prices.
I might get in in twenty years, lol.
Bless you Brother
I try as hard as I can not to be one of "todays kids", this is far better than anything I hear on the radio today
Yes, He has finally arrived...🎶 ❤ 🎶
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
I have 4 older brothers ( 65 and younger ) they use to throw my 45's againt the wall.. many of them were songs like this...now there is a dusty old box of old scratched up stuff I wish I could even find..
I've only played it about 5 times since I bought it about 5 years ago. I'm particular about changing styli and I make sure I adjust azimuth, vta and the counter balance properly, so my records definitely aren't taking a beating.
I'm surprised it only booked for $700. This booked over $1,000 at one time.
SO SWEET.
Very fine offering from another group that deserved a better fate.I believe the great lead singer,Eugene Mumford,sang with these guys for a few years.Mumford was possibly the greatest lead of all time(He sang 'My Reverie" with the Larks and "Stardust",with Billy Ward`s Dominos)
I grew up with hip hop and many other genres. I agree that doo wop and r&b are the best.
Great 1958 release brother,keep em coming
Wow what more can i say...
The last time I heard this I was in elementary school and my Dad, his brothers and older kin were playing records.
SWEET
Very nice; thank you.
Thank you. I'll pursue further.
oops didn't mean to dislike this!!! pressed the wrong button, this is one hell of a record, made even better by the couple of crackles, well done pj!
Very rare too.. The boots of this are pretty rare too. I'm not sure if I still have my boot. I think I sent it to one of my friends when I found the original
gates of Gold is in Heaven
Thank you... my dad wrote that song and is the lead singer you hear. When he heard it again it brought back lots of memories of the time he sang with his group back in the 50's.
Nice one PJ. Like Unca Marv Goldberg---you don't play no junk.
If you had to explain Doo Wop to an alien, you would just play this. LOL This record should be at least a minute longer .... perfecto !
LOL man that's a box of records you'd love to find
@Tigermoon1950 im 26 here and i absolutly love this stuff. i think i am the life after death of a mobsters that had great taste in music.
must say tho.. the ending is a bit funny
great,great harmony.PJ, i'm looking for info for my cousin and got interested myself, he's a hardcore doowop collector.He's not good on puters nor am I.I would like too know if there are any chat room that u and other collectors go on?. If so please respond, I would like too talk person too person if thats at all possable. Thanks Fred
I read a long post on uncamarvy site about The Detroit Serenaders, which said they had changed their name to The Royals by 1954, and that they have no connection to The Serenaders that recorded on Teen Life. Any insight?
Sorry! I was having a senior moment here, confusing this with a different record by Detroit's Serenaders from the early 1950s. Clearly, this Teen Life record was a New York Metro Area, pressed in New York, and this group was George Kerr, Sidney Barnes, Timothy(Tiny Tim) Wilson, and Howard Curry. Also, I confused The Detroit group's L.A. releases as a renamed group, The Muskateers as having been released on L.A.'s Record in Hollywood label, when it was L.A.'s Swing Time Records which released them. So, you are correct, Detroit's Serenaders had no connection to the Teen Life Group. I had seen the Teen Life record erroneously listed as a "Detroit record" so many times, I started to believe it. I grew up in Midwestern Canada and Chicago, so I didn't know anything about the Teen Life record or label, despite having heard The Serenaders' Chock Full of Hits records, and their version of "Never Let Me Go" is one of my favourite songs. I read that Detroit's Serenaders had masters leased to Red Robin in New York and Teen Life, and thought the Teen Life record was early'50s, rather than '58, and didn't connect it to the later, East Coast Serenaders.
@@robbk1 thanks for the quick reply. I'll digest and compare to my other notes and see if I've got it straight.
PJ - Great record. I cannot find it listed in Popsike.com or within the Osborne/Jellyroll indices. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks.
Sounds about right.. A mint copy is worth somewhere from $800-$1200. My copy is a vg and worth about a third of the mint price.
I know the writer of this song, James Perry. He is alive and well in Battle Creek, Michigan. I am looking for a copy of this record. Does anyone know where I can get one?
DeeAnn whisler try Discogs
I know a man who has many copies of this, all originals. I've collected old records since early 1965
That’s my father!! I played this for him and he lit up like a Christmas Tree!!! I wish I could find a copy of the record to give to him.
I haven't gone in a chatroom in a long time. I'd suggest checking aol, aim, yahoo, msn, etc. They all usually have chatrooms. TheDooWopJukebox may have chats as well (if you google it the website will come up).
@Tigermoon1950, im 13 and i LOVE this music!! I have my own collection
Why mention your age? What does your age have anything to do with music?
That would be news to me.... I wonder if they're the same Serenaders on Chock. I believe the Chock group is also from Detroit.
Two sales of the 45 that I see. One in 2006 and one in 2010. Both for $810.00
Very cool. I haven't been as busy uploading stuff as I'd like to be, but I have more rareties coming soon
@PJDooWop - I track rare records. The value of any rare record is based on what the market will pay. What I am trying to find out is where this records falls in the "rare" category - where it might rank. I am coming up blank. Thank you.
If this is a record you're looking for, pick it up in any condition if an original pops up. I don't want to drop names but one very well known collector (who wrote a book about collecting rare records) told me that he came across his copy in the 70s and it's the only one he's ever seen. His copy, by the way, is cracked. This is up there with The Thrashers on Masons.. The Nutones on purple Combo.. The Del-Rios on Bet-T.... In other words, nearly impossible to find.
yes i say
I bought a vg copy for $30 . of course it was about 35 years ago
I don't have an original copy.. I think there are only 3 copies in existance. I have a reissue that I can post. Good suggestion.
Are you asking about the value of the record?
I believe Lou Silvani rated this as a 4 star record in his book about rare records. 4 stars means "rarest of the rare."
sitting on a charms on Rockin'....price has gone down. Don't play yours any more. You and I have classic doowops.
No! This is NOT the New York Serenaders (which Bobby Robinson discovered) with whom Gene Mumphord sang. This was a Detroit group, who later formed The royal Jokers, and got masters sold to L.A.'s Recorded in Hollywood.
+robbk1 If you want any history about the Detroit Serenaders, James Perry would be happy to provide any information. Just let me know and I can put you in touch with him.
@@deeannwhisler1681 If you are still out there, I am writing a blog post about a compilation that includes this song, so would be glad to have more info on it. If you can give me an email for James Perry, that would be great.
Robbk, what do you mean by L.A.'s above? Thanks for the info. I read a long post on uncamarvy site about The Detroit Serenaders, which said they had changed their name to The Royals by 1954, and that they have no connection to The Serenaders that recorded on Teen Life. Any insight?
Sorry! I was having a senior moment here, confusing this with a different record by Detroit's Serenaders from the early 1950s. Clearly, this Teen Life record was a New York Metro Area, pressed in New York, and this group was George Kerr, Sidney Barnes, Timothy(Tiny Tim) Wilson, and Howard Curry. Also, I confused The Detroit group's L.A. releases as a renamed group, The Muskateers as having been released on L.A.'s Record in Hollywood label, when it was L.A.'s Swing Time Records which released them.
@Tigermoon1950 Couldn't have said it any better.
Sounds like alittle testimonyof faith in this song.Bet the bank this man is a Christian.I hear his convictions in this song,and I love him,and his song.Listen to this.
Do me a favor PJ. Dont play this record a lot. I just looked it up in this book I have and its worth $700!!
This song appears on a recent compilation, Motor City Memories, Vol. 1. I did a blogpost on the lp (Side 1 so far); here is link if anyone is interested: joeleturner.wordpress.com/2020/11/02/motor-city-memories-vol-1-lp-review-and-guide/
some records are rare for a reason pal,because their tobelorone,this being one of them..! fkn $800+ are you sure! never did like Doo Wop anyway,Fuggeddaboudit...
Vai via, signore Zazza.La musica Doo-wop sempre vincera`~!