If your boss tells you to do something stupid, get it in writing. If your employee asks you to send you something in writing, it is probably a really stupid thing to do.
@@mhenlopotter1612 Also, you never hear about those times when things are sent in writing and nothing bad happens. I've been "working" as a Union representative for 15 years and I constantly tell the members to try to keep the conversation in email. Which they, for the most part, manage. For the most part its unneeded. In fact, I can't remember a single time I have had use of email. Most bosses (where I worked. We have over 200 bosses of various level in our organisation of 7500 employees) admits to what they've actually done. But... Plenty of employees should try to keep their papertrail to a minimum :p If Im any judge, the employees has a far higher chance of being in the wrong then the bosses. Its ofc a numbers game. 7500 ppl are liklier to make misstakes then 200... But also bosses (both bad and good ones) are both trained and have various level of experience to avoid trouble. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of bad bosses, but that is mostly because there a 10th or even 100s of millions of bosses on this planet :p Most bosses are decent (or better) at their job.
The *moment* anyone says to you “Can I get that in writing?” every alarm bell in your head should be blaring, and you need to take a deep breath and look at every detail having to do with the matter at hand.
Sometimes, yes. I was a regular at the IT Office - their rule was - no ticket, no work. But I was going there first, said, yeah, before I create the ticket I want to know if it is even possible, if there is some better way, and just looking for input first. THEN I will create the ticket, with all the details, so we have the paper trail.
ERP Story: If I were in OP's shoes, when VP first came to me to ask me to resume fixing the ERP system, I'd have Politely said "You were paying the ERP Consultants $5,000.00 per month and getting horrible service for it. I'm willing to resume fixing the ERP system for a $1,000.00 per month Raise and I'll give to the same fast, quality Service I was giving you previously. That seems like it's a considerable bargain for the Company don't you?" Hopefully, the VP would see the benefit and be willing to pay the extra grand a month for quality ERP service and chock it up as a 4 grand per month savings instead of a 1 grand per month loss...
Why does the company use an ERP that requires paying huge amounts to consultants in order for it to work adequately? I don't know anything about such systems, but it seems like a waste of money. Is there no better product out there? Is this industry standard, or was someone just spending dollars to chase pennies?
@freethebirds3578 working for a company in a similar situation, for us, it's because the company began using a specialized software when it was new, growing, and the leadership was too inexperienced to understand exactly what they needed to get out of it. 20 something years later, that software is so ingrained into how we operate that when they decided to switch to a new process, it's taken 2+ years & hundreds of thousands of dollars transferring databases, staff trainings, determining impact to customers, customization to interact with a proprietary software, testing & debugging that integration, etc. It'll save money in the long run, but it's definitely not a simple task to make big changes that impact the basic job functionality of a few thousand people across five countries.
@freethebirds3578 companies deal with so many different salaries and orders and the like that you can really only do it efficiently with a computer program these days. But companies don't have the time or money to develop a program themselves. So they can only rely on a company specifically making and running such a program. Giving those tech companies quite a bit of power over how they run and maintain said program. So yea companies are kinda stuck with this stuff unless they can find and hire a good and likely expensive IT guy who can fix the common problems immediately. And you probably already know how companies feel about IT people. "Unimportant and lazy until shit hits the fan and the IT guy has to single handedly save the entire company."
@@freethebirds3578 likely chasing pennies. My old work is allegedly going through this with their external payroll system, after the entire payroll department allegedly walked out last year.
How can these people be in management? You want to update the employees contract with their new responsibilities and a little bit of a raise... if they ask you are not going to like the raise they ask for so it is best for management to do it first. This way you can control the raise and make them officially responsible for it. You are already saving money not having to pay the contractors as long as the raise is lower it is still a win for the business no need to be unreasonable.
The first story shows bad management. The solution in the real world for the missing payroll would be to simply pay everyone based on their previous paychecks and fix it later. Companirs have a legal obligation to pay workers (in most countries, anyway). These problems should have been escalated much earlier to higher management, not just on emails.
This is one of the better MC videos I've seen recently. It shows that OP wasn't setting out to be an ass but covering their own but from their higher up's and was able to show the VP how important that work really was.
Many times, like in the pet shop story, it's actually cheaper to give away a few free items rather than meticulously count them. Counting takes time, and counting something that won't sit still to be counted takes twice as long. After all time is money.
I've worked stuff like that, NOBODY complains when getting extra (at least nobody with a working brain), they only complain if they get too little, so it's better to just make sure that there's MINIMUM the needed amount to save ourselves the customer headache later.
That third story…man. Idk why the OP went back to that horrid company. Hopefully he didn’t burn any bridges at the company he left them for after his vacation. The best revenge is to put your old company out of business, so that should have been the prerogative.
"Vp demands to know why I didn't fix the problem when hr emailed about it". Oh heck no, you don't get to come at someone who is doing something not in their job description for free and think you're going to yell or be demanding. I'd have demanded an apology for the pompous attitude in addition to putting the duty into my job description with a raise.
s1: This situation happened because it's not OP's job to do this and a newly minted manglement needed someone to pass the shetstorm to instead of taking responsibility. Definitely not the a-hole but all the manglement certainly are. Nice to see the VP giving in and agreeing to Op's demands instead of just taking the loss out of spite.
Story 1: So I guess it's CYA, eh. Story 2: This is another one of those... just take what you get when dealing with things like this... it's not worth the time and effort otherwise. Story 3: Good job OP in getting better pay... and all that vacation pay Thanks to all 3 OPs and KCC for this episode.
I wonder where that teacher works, because while you won't get rich being a classroom teacher, the pay isn't unreasonably low. I suspect it's not an income problem, but a spending problem. I taught at a public school in a town of 300 in Oklahoma, so I have experience with teacher salaries.
Teacher Pay: I admit that I'm tired of the uncritical worship of teachers. All three of my kids are now out of high school. I'm completely that by the time your child graduates high school, if you don't know at least two teachers that should be fired and prevented from being around children ever again then you haven't been paying attention. The local high school has 4 math teachers. I would gladly double the salaries of two of them if you fire with prejudice the other two.
I think charter schools should be brought back. It used to be that you could send your kid to whatever school you wanted in the state and the government money went with them. This would mean good schools with good teachers would get more and awful schools and poor teachers would lose government money when kids were pulled and sent to another school.
I can recall 3 teachers I felt weren't exactly the best. One didn't like me because I was more advanced (which was weird). One always yelled and did group punishments. One time she made us walk out in the cold and didn't let us get our jackets. That one was what made me leave prep school. And the last one was just overly strict, mean, and nasty, even when she had no reason to be. Like, we're working ahead in the book and helping each other, even keeping to a low volume, and it get scorned for "distracting the class."
@@caseyp3447 that means poor students that can't transfer are screwed. Right now school funding is tied to property taxes in the US. I suggest maybe that we should make the school funding a statewide thing and average it out, to stop wealthy neighborhoods from getting way more money while poorer neighborhoods have to sometimes scrape by with unsafe buildings and not enough money to pay teachers, because as it is right now, you get the better education if you're wealthy, and that just shouldn't be how public schools should be.
@@Avrysatos On paper, this sounds reasonable. There are two issues (which probably can be worked around): 1. Teachers in "high rent" districts probably need higher salaries to afford to live near work. 2. Studies (from the 90s?) showed that spending did not equate to student success. The biggest determinant factor, more than social-economic class, race, districting, funding,or any other factor, was the amount of television consumed by the student. These days you can probably substitute in social media as well.
@@Avrysatos no the money the school would have gotten for the student pays to the new school. No money needed. You put them on a bus to the next school over instead of the crappy one in their district government gives money to the new school not the old one.
You should have been miffed at the VP! The VP should have gone to your manager and not you, See the chain of command. EVERYONE not paid on time should file a grievance with gov't. labor board for late payment of wages. This is a serious offense.
So the first story... clearly "ERP" is some kind of computer program, thanks to context. But the only time I've seen that abbreviation before is "Erotic RolePlay", so the whole story was that much funnier.
I know I've heard the cricket story before about 3 years ago BUT it wasn't even close to the same cricket story. This type of thing happens often very often dealing with with things like feeder fish, crickets, spiders and the whole host of other things. Teachers unions are what screw teachers a lot of the time. My ex was a teacher.
$5.000 to be on "standby" and getting paid by the hour to fix a problem? yeah, that problem is either *NEVER* getting fixed or is going to exist for MONTHS. He's an idea for a better system, the "consultants" is getting paid as long as the system is working, but when there's a problem and as long as it persists, THEY pay the CLIENT *TRIPPLE,* that way, they have a reason to KEEP it problem free and to fix them ASAP. Friend of mine who works in an office has a deal, they're all on paid coffee break as long as there isn't anything to do, no tickets, no projects, no work, but as soon as theres something in the "inbox" they all work towards getting it done.
CYOA - Cover Your Own A.. - multiple ways to do this. If I forget any feel free to add on. 1: Get it in writing. 2: cc your secondary email with anything your worried about. 3: read receipts. So when they say they never received the email you can tell the time and date they opened it! 4: if you got an order verbally. Email the person saying I just wanted to confirm this is what you asked me to do. PAPER TRAIL! 5: if going into a verbal altercation try to do it in front of a security camera or other witnesses. 6: interactions with co workers of opposite sex should also be in front of cameras or witnesses(this has saved me personally)
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 talk to your it guy or google it. If your using outlook like a majority of companies it’s a simple matter if adjusting the setting to the email.
Guy in the first story really mishandled that. He should have had his supervisor CC in the VP on the email directing him to not work on their ERP system. He also should have requested additional compensation for his expanded role in a mature and professional manner shortly after taking on that responsibility. Now the VP thinks he tried to put him over a barrel the first chance he got plausible deniability.
Cult of the educator. Make more than the national average, work significantly less than the national average, have one of the best retirement plans in the country. The most powerful union in the country. “Woe is us teachers, so underpaid and unappreciated.”
Teachers absolutely do get paid enough. It's not my fault they want to live like millionaires, when they're making a ton more money than I ever did. And some teachers don't deserve any, such as my 1st grade teacher who actually bullied me at school, or the government teacher in high school who was totally ignorant. He sat in the corner while we tried to teach each other. I've only had a very few teachers who were worth their salaries.
Do you wanna watch the news and tell me these stories are ridiculous again? I've heard a hundred things that are harder to believe this year on "reputable networks."
oooh! Cake! Thx Rob, it's my birthday today!
Happy Getting Older Day to you!
If your boss tells you to do something stupid, get it in writing.
If your employee asks you to send you something in writing, it is probably a really stupid thing to do.
Worker: "Send me that in writing."
Stupid boss: "Okay"
Smart boss: "Oh shit I'm about to do something stupid, aren't I?"
Of course you'll never hear about the smart boss who reconsiders, because it won't escalate into a good story. But I wonder how often it happens...
@@mhenlopotter1612 Good point, good question.
@@mhenlopotter1612
Also, you never hear about those times when things are sent in writing and nothing bad happens.
I've been "working" as a Union representative for 15 years and I constantly tell the members to try to keep the conversation in email.
Which they, for the most part, manage.
For the most part its unneeded. In fact, I can't remember a single time I have had use of email. Most bosses (where I worked. We have over 200 bosses of various level in our organisation of 7500 employees) admits to what they've actually done.
But... Plenty of employees should try to keep their papertrail to a minimum :p
If Im any judge, the employees has a far higher chance of being in the wrong then the bosses. Its ofc a numbers game. 7500 ppl are liklier to make misstakes then 200... But also bosses (both bad and good ones) are both trained and have various level of experience to avoid trouble.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of bad bosses, but that is mostly because there a 10th or even 100s of millions of bosses on this planet :p
Most bosses are decent (or better) at their job.
The *moment* anyone says to you “Can I get that in writing?” every alarm bell in your head should be blaring, and you need to take a deep breath and look at every detail having to do with the matter at hand.
Sometimes, yes.
I was a regular at the IT Office - their rule was - no ticket, no work.
But I was going there first, said, yeah, before I create the ticket I want to know if it is even possible, if there is some better way, and just looking for input first.
THEN I will create the ticket, with all the details, so we have the paper trail.
How... just how in the world do bosses not stop and rethink their actions when they hear "can you put that in writing?"
For the first story 'The Joker' was right when he said "If you are good at something, never do it for free."
ERP Story: If I were in OP's shoes, when VP first came to me to ask me to resume fixing the ERP system, I'd have Politely said "You were paying the ERP Consultants $5,000.00 per month and getting horrible service for it. I'm willing to resume fixing the ERP system for a $1,000.00 per month Raise and I'll give to the same fast, quality Service I was giving you previously. That seems like it's a considerable bargain for the Company don't you?"
Hopefully, the VP would see the benefit and be willing to pay the extra grand a month for quality ERP service and chock it up as a 4 grand per month savings instead of a 1 grand per month loss...
I agree with you but not likely the VP would
Why does the company use an ERP that requires paying huge amounts to consultants in order for it to work adequately? I don't know anything about such systems, but it seems like a waste of money. Is there no better product out there? Is this industry standard, or was someone just spending dollars to chase pennies?
@freethebirds3578 working for a company in a similar situation, for us, it's because the company began using a specialized software when it was new, growing, and the leadership was too inexperienced to understand exactly what they needed to get out of it. 20 something years later, that software is so ingrained into how we operate that when they decided to switch to a new process, it's taken 2+ years & hundreds of thousands of dollars transferring databases, staff trainings, determining impact to customers, customization to interact with a proprietary software, testing & debugging that integration, etc.
It'll save money in the long run, but it's definitely not a simple task to make big changes that impact the basic job functionality of a few thousand people across five countries.
@freethebirds3578 companies deal with so many different salaries and orders and the like that you can really only do it efficiently with a computer program these days. But companies don't have the time or money to develop a program themselves. So they can only rely on a company specifically making and running such a program. Giving those tech companies quite a bit of power over how they run and maintain said program.
So yea companies are kinda stuck with this stuff unless they can find and hire a good and likely expensive IT guy who can fix the common problems immediately.
And you probably already know how companies feel about IT people. "Unimportant and lazy until shit hits the fan and the IT guy has to single handedly save the entire company."
@@freethebirds3578 likely chasing pennies. My old work is allegedly going through this with their external payroll system, after the entire payroll department allegedly walked out last year.
you can always count on higher up to screw themselves over in some hilarious ways and despite being told its not a good idea they still go with it🤣
That's because they know best, of course! After all, don't they have the title to prove it?
I guess you could say that teacher/cashier taught cricket lady a valuable lesson.
"Make sure you get that in writing."
EVERY TIME.
Ok, nobody said it, so I'll say it: The cake is a lie!
😂
the cookies are a lie too
How can these people be in management? You want to update the employees contract with their new responsibilities and a little bit of a raise... if they ask you are not going to like the raise they ask for so it is best for management to do it first.
This way you can control the raise and make them officially responsible for it.
You are already saving money not having to pay the contractors as long as the raise is lower it is still a win for the business no need to be unreasonable.
The first story shows bad management. The solution in the real world for the missing payroll would be to simply pay everyone based on their previous paychecks and fix it later. Companirs have a legal obligation to pay workers (in most countries, anyway). These problems should have been escalated much earlier to higher management, not just on emails.
Story 1 - Why pay or promote the cow if he's giving the milk for free?
I knew a professor that worked at REI just for the discount. She was a geologist and was constantly camping or out in the field doing research.
This is one of the better MC videos I've seen recently.
It shows that OP wasn't setting out to be an ass but covering their own but from their higher up's and was able to show the VP how important that work really was.
Many times, like in the pet shop story, it's actually cheaper to give away a few free items rather than meticulously count them. Counting takes time, and counting something that won't sit still to be counted takes twice as long. After all time is money.
I've worked stuff like that, NOBODY complains when getting extra (at least nobody with a working brain), they only complain if they get too little, so it's better to just make sure that there's MINIMUM the needed amount to save ourselves the customer headache later.
@@mikkelnpetersen Baker's dozen?
That third story…man. Idk why the OP went back to that horrid company. Hopefully he didn’t burn any bridges at the company he left them for after his vacation. The best revenge is to put your old company out of business, so that should have been the prerogative.
"Vp demands to know why I didn't fix the problem when hr emailed about it". Oh heck no, you don't get to come at someone who is doing something not in their job description for free and think you're going to yell or be demanding. I'd have demanded an apology for the pompous attitude in addition to putting the duty into my job description with a raise.
s1: This situation happened because it's not OP's job to do this and a newly minted manglement needed someone to pass the shetstorm to instead of taking responsibility. Definitely not the a-hole but all the manglement certainly are. Nice to see the VP giving in and agreeing to Op's demands instead of just taking the loss out of spite.
Exactly he wanted someone to shifty the blame onto when he screwed up and it ended up exploding in his face, Mismanglement defined.
the first story even a 1k a month pay raise for the person everyone wins. they save a minimum of 4k basically if they dont need the help to fix
Story 1: So I guess it's CYA, eh.
Story 2: This is another one of those... just take what you get when dealing with things like this... it's not worth the time and effort otherwise.
Story 3: Good job OP in getting better pay... and all that vacation pay
Thanks to all 3 OPs and KCC for this episode.
Getting something in writing is known here as "system umbrella".
Carma Comment Cakemelion ... has a nice ring to it.
I don't understand how a company can have so much erotic roleplay and still be functional in any way 😎
I spoke to like 5 people about cricket stories. It happens ALL the time.
Teachers make a great pay in Ontario and are unionized. I get the implication that the teacher works in another country due to needing another job.
I wonder where that teacher works, because while you won't get rich being a classroom teacher, the pay isn't unreasonably low. I suspect it's not an income problem, but a spending problem.
I taught at a public school in a town of 300 in Oklahoma, so I have experience with teacher salaries.
Love the chameleon art work, spectacular!💕👍
Never do more than youre being paid for. The more you do the more they expect
paying consultants keeps employees from having power and leverage
But doesn’t necessarily save a mean company money. No company likes to pay somebody what they are actually worth and share their precious profits. 🙄
Teacher Pay: I admit that I'm tired of the uncritical worship of teachers. All three of my kids are now out of high school. I'm completely that by the time your child graduates high school, if you don't know at least two teachers that should be fired and prevented from being around children ever again then you haven't been paying attention. The local high school has 4 math teachers. I would gladly double the salaries of two of them if you fire with prejudice the other two.
I think charter schools should be brought back.
It used to be that you could send your kid to whatever school you wanted in the state and the government money went with them. This would mean good schools with good teachers would get more and awful schools and poor teachers would lose government money when kids were pulled and sent to another school.
I can recall 3 teachers I felt weren't exactly the best.
One didn't like me because I was more advanced (which was weird).
One always yelled and did group punishments. One time she made us walk out in the cold and didn't let us get our jackets. That one was what made me leave prep school.
And the last one was just overly strict, mean, and nasty, even when she had no reason to be. Like, we're working ahead in the book and helping each other, even keeping to a low volume, and it get scorned for "distracting the class."
@@caseyp3447 that means poor students that can't transfer are screwed.
Right now school funding is tied to property taxes in the US. I suggest maybe that we should make the school funding a statewide thing and average it out, to stop wealthy neighborhoods from getting way more money while poorer neighborhoods have to sometimes scrape by with unsafe buildings and not enough money to pay teachers, because as it is right now, you get the better education if you're wealthy, and that just shouldn't be how public schools should be.
@@Avrysatos On paper, this sounds reasonable. There are two issues (which probably can be worked around):
1. Teachers in "high rent" districts probably need higher salaries to afford to live near work.
2. Studies (from the 90s?) showed that spending did not equate to student success. The biggest determinant factor, more than social-economic class, race, districting, funding,or any other factor, was the amount of television consumed by the student. These days you can probably substitute in social media as well.
@@Avrysatos no the money the school would have gotten for the student pays to the new school. No money needed. You put them on a bus to the next school over instead of the crappy one in their district government gives money to the new school not the old one.
The very word superworms scares me!
OP should have told VP he would sign *IF* VP made the raise 50% more. (IE: $500/week raise changed to $750 raise.)
You should have been miffed at the VP! The VP should have gone to your manager and not you, See the chain of command. EVERYONE not paid on time should file a grievance with gov't. labor board for late payment of wages. This is a serious offense.
It's how OP Phrased it, He could of still got the money and promotion without drawing t out if he phrased it differently and built out his case
So the first story... clearly "ERP" is some kind of computer program, thanks to context. But the only time I've seen that abbreviation before is "Erotic RolePlay", so the whole story was that much funnier.
Enterprise Resource Planning
When contex conflicts with personal memories. 🤣🤣🤣 this happens to me a lot.
Cake? I still haven’t even got my cookies Rob 😢
I know I've heard the cricket story before about 3 years ago BUT it wasn't even close to the same cricket story. This type of thing happens often very often dealing with with things like feeder fish, crickets, spiders and the whole host of other things.
Teachers unions are what screw teachers a lot of the time. My ex was a teacher.
$5.000 to be on "standby" and getting paid by the hour to fix a problem? yeah, that problem is either *NEVER* getting fixed or is going to exist for MONTHS.
He's an idea for a better system, the "consultants" is getting paid as long as the system is working, but when there's a problem and as long as it persists, THEY pay the CLIENT *TRIPPLE,* that way, they have a reason to KEEP it problem free and to fix them ASAP.
Friend of mine who works in an office has a deal, they're all on paid coffee break as long as there isn't anything to do, no tickets, no projects, no work, but as soon as theres something in the "inbox" they all work towards getting it done.
Wait...who messed up that inventory loss
CYOA - Cover Your Own A.. - multiple ways to do this. If I forget any feel free to add on.
1: Get it in writing.
2: cc your secondary email with anything your worried about.
3: read receipts. So when they say they never received the email you can tell the time and date they opened it!
4: if you got an order verbally. Email the person saying I just wanted to confirm this is what you asked me to do. PAPER TRAIL!
5: if going into a verbal altercation try to do it in front of a security camera or other witnesses.
6: interactions with co workers of opposite sex should also be in front of cameras or witnesses(this has saved me personally)
My email doesn't tell me when someone else gets an email from me. So I can't prove that anyone has ever gotten an email from me, unless they replied.
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 talk to your it guy or google it. If your using outlook like a majority of companies it’s a simple matter if adjusting the setting to the email.
The cake is a LIE
CYA is the IT way
I like the little chameleon! 💚💚✌️
That would make a good band name
Counting crickets
I'm still waiting on the cookies but I'll take chocolate cake 😋🤭
But...but...but...
The cake is a Lie!
😄😁😆😅😂🤣
Why don't they sell crickets based on weight?
They don't weigh enough, and they don't stay still long enough to get an accurate number.
@@bite-sizedshorts9635 thanks for the clarification
I just made 4 ingredient coconut macaroons with a chocolate covered almond in the center! Reverse Almond Joy's 🤤👍
1:34 "painting" incongruent with reality. Is it AI, or a human who has never seen water?
Rob, still with the baked goods bribery?? Dude, it's not,
well...
baking!!
As always, love the posts. Keep up the awesome work
Good morning. Always happy to hear you.
Missed your stories
Guy in the first story really mishandled that. He should have had his supervisor CC in the VP on the email directing him to not work on their ERP system. He also should have requested additional compensation for his expanded role in a mature and professional manner shortly after taking on that responsibility.
Now the VP thinks he tried to put him over a barrel the first chance he got plausible deniability.
Ooo cake??
don't you love it when people get exactly what they asked for and realize just how wrong they were.
Cult of the educator. Make more than the national average, work significantly less than the national average, have one of the best retirement plans in the country. The most powerful union in the country. “Woe is us teachers, so underpaid and unappreciated.”
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It annoys me that I can't read subtitles of your personal comments.
I've considered doing that, but I think you're the first to mention it lol. I'll look into how I could do that and not disrupt the flow.
The subtitles are in English, and I have no problem reading them.
Teachers absolutely do get paid enough. It's not my fault they want to live like millionaires, when they're making a ton more money than I ever did. And some teachers don't deserve any, such as my 1st grade teacher who actually bullied me at school, or the government teacher in high school who was totally ignorant. He sat in the corner while we tried to teach each other. I've only had a very few teachers who were worth their salaries.
Always love listening in the morning 😊
These fairy tales are completely absurd. I wonder who might think they are real.
I don't listen to stories because I think they're real. I listen to them because I think they're interesting.
Do you wanna watch the news and tell me these stories are ridiculous again? I've heard a hundred things that are harder to believe this year on "reputable networks."
For the love of God, hire an EDITOR!!!! We don't need an inventory of the pet store. Thumbs Down.
You're really angry over a UA-cam video lol.
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Good morning
Good Morning ☀️
Good Morning Rob 👍 Hope you are doing good and thanks for the video. Have a great day 👋
Have a great day everyone 👋🤗
I wanna my KC Cake!