How Many Scans do you NEED vs Arbiter? - Flash vs Rich, Game 3

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  • @drewwalbeck6006
    @drewwalbeck6006 5 місяців тому +42

    Artosis: going fast carriers is... I don't quite know the word for it
    Artosis in his head: ape-ish

    • @sachib
      @sachib 5 місяців тому

      Should be
      Artosis caster: going fast carriers is... I don't quite know the word for it
      Artosis streamer in his head: ape-ish

  • @youuuuuuuuuuutube
    @youuuuuuuuuuutube 5 місяців тому +20

    I saw that game before, but the commentary was like "oh he attacks, oh he wins". Now after watching here, I understand much deeper what was really going on, the range cancel, the turret!! It was actually all about that turret! Best commentary by far.

    • @maximumtaco2298
      @maximumtaco2298 5 місяців тому +5

      @@youuuuuuuuuuutube Artosis really does such a great commentary

    • @Svenburchard
      @Svenburchard 5 місяців тому +1

      @@maximumtaco2298 chills when artosis casts.

    • @oliverwarren1074
      @oliverwarren1074 5 місяців тому

      I think sometimes we forget that Artosis actually is a top top tier player and he really understands what is going on.

  • @chongli297
    @chongli297 5 місяців тому +44

    Floating buildings at the vanguard is absolutely my favourite meta ever. Oh Flash, you mad genius!

  • @berryzedzero
    @berryzedzero 5 місяців тому +66

    Every scan = 1 chill

  • @Pico141
    @Pico141 5 місяців тому +26

    11:58 freshly built missile turret kills a full shuttle with 4 zealots. Arty didn't mention it and maaaybe it was game over already but that was pretty clutch for Flash (and sloppy by Rich)

  • @Larsgman
    @Larsgman 5 місяців тому +59

    I seriously can’t believe flash is able to pull off maneuvers like this, honestly

    • @farmingnodak
      @farmingnodak 5 місяців тому +8

      Floating buildings ftw 😂

    • @zabban
      @zabban 5 місяців тому +6

      the goat of all games

    • @yaninacepqni2091
      @yaninacepqni2091 5 місяців тому +2

      Sounds like "i cant believe its not butter" but it really isnt.
      Come on man thats flash ofc he is able to do whatever he wants :)

    • @maximumtaco2298
      @maximumtaco2298 5 місяців тому +2

      @@yaninacepqni2091 WOW! I totally thought it was "butter"

    • @carllazarraga2858
      @carllazarraga2858 5 місяців тому +3

      Really? Flash is the best starcraft player of all time

  • @calebw4287
    @calebw4287 5 місяців тому +5

    the scv repairing the floating engineering bay feel like extra level trolling lol.

  • @Anubis1993KZ
    @Anubis1993KZ 5 місяців тому +11

    Flash loses his scouting SCV to expand off of one marine.
    I lose my scouting SCV because I can't micro shit.
    We are not the same.

  • @phoenixlich
    @phoenixlich 5 місяців тому +4

    Just one floating barracks must have absorbed 5 tanks worth of damage! New Meta achieved!

  • @martinbalke1843
    @martinbalke1843 5 місяців тому +6

    Okay so at what point do we see Terran's building extra barracks to take with them on their push. Only costs 150, has 1000 hp, you can put it over tanks to make them untargetable, completely fucks up opponent ai

    • @avinotion
      @avinotion 5 місяців тому

      I was thinking the same thing!
      Zealots though...

    • @moisesruiz4104
      @moisesruiz4104 Місяць тому

      Until you get fast zealots which RT always brings up haha

  • @kurzackd
    @kurzackd 5 місяців тому +9

    Rich was undisputably winning _UNTIL_ that *horriBAD sortie at **10:35** ...* ...
    Just... **facepalm**
    .

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 5 місяців тому +2

      You're right, he lost many dragoons very easily. The arbiter was busy shooting the floating Engineering Bay.

    • @Materialist39
      @Materialist39 5 місяців тому +6

      I think he just didn’t expect that many tanks. plus he was almost in checkmate and you can’t really uncommit your Zealots once they’re engaged. To flash’s credit, forcing your opponent to have to make decisions like that is a big part of the game.

  • @FlymanMS
    @FlymanMS 5 місяців тому +1

    8:15 recall, eh?
    Flash's push was impressive, he was objectively less prepared but him mastery and will triumphed.

  • @Winnetou17
    @Winnetou17 5 місяців тому +4

    Screw the building meta, I said it some time ago - we need another vulture terrorist, like NaDa was in the day. And I see that Flash is really starting to use the vultures heavily. And it pays out. This game was won by the vultures. I can't imagine how frustrating they were at the 3rd base in the end, for Rich.

    • @zabban
      @zabban 5 місяців тому

      @@Winnetou17 well u have to have the apm and micro to back it up wich aint easy. One mine drag and is gg

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 5 місяців тому +1

      @@zabban Yeah, indeed, being a vulture terrorist is extremely APM intensive.

  • @AlcySC
    @AlcySC 5 місяців тому +3

    1 Scan, 유승곤, is the only one I need.

  • @FourOneNineOneFourOne
    @FourOneNineOneFourOne 5 місяців тому +5

    Can't wait for meta to evolve into Terrans building a couple extra barracks and just floating 4 buildings covering entire frontline with their push. What a time to be alive.

  • @reishiki8682
    @reishiki8682 5 місяців тому +9

    Thought process of Protoss = me win when human run out of scans
    Also Protoss when their unga bunga a-move man gets splattered by siege tanks = 😮

  • @forsakenfalcon
    @forsakenfalcon 5 місяців тому

    Nice containment. I wonder if we will ever see floating buildings land in front of the tanks to create a make-shift wall?

  • @avinotion
    @avinotion 5 місяців тому

    Multiple building over tanks, I was so happy to see someone do that!
    Successfully...

  • @TheSuperappelflap
    @TheSuperappelflap 5 місяців тому

    I hecking love the building meta

  • @kabuteshiitake7071
    @kabuteshiitake7071 5 місяців тому

    Just beautiful commentary

  • @Yamulo
    @Yamulo 5 місяців тому

    I find the use of dts like this is pretty interesting. I definitely think if he didn’t dive so hard in that first engage he could have stalled it for much longer

  • @Capris9x
    @Capris9x 5 місяців тому +1

    Zerg and Protoss have 2 ways of dealing with cloaked or burrowed units. Terran has 4. Flash doesn't care about Arbiters lol

  • @Big-E-TheBouncer
    @Big-E-TheBouncer 5 місяців тому

    Flash the man, the legend, the bonjwa.

  • @mattthemaddogdollar
    @mattthemaddogdollar 5 місяців тому +1

    Beautiful game.

  • @wowlightshadow
    @wowlightshadow 5 місяців тому

    that was a beautiful push

  • @SplashJohn
    @SplashJohn 5 місяців тому

    Q: How many scans do you need vs. Arbiter?
    A: Just one more.

  • @i2eB6L
    @i2eB6L 5 місяців тому

    about that missing scan, maybe flash knows a secret free scan glitch?

  • @ako.BahalaSayo
    @ako.BahalaSayo Місяць тому

    POWER OVERWHELMING

  • @jcgilbert
    @jcgilbert 5 місяців тому

    Me about to fall asleep
    See the cast is available
    Immediate chills and became fully awake

  • @jacobkarlin6147
    @jacobkarlin6147 5 місяців тому

    Arty, could you talk about how a better player would have countered flash? Would snow, rain or mini have been able to stall out those turrets or would they do something differently?

  • @lycheesack
    @lycheesack 5 місяців тому

    Maybe build a turret under floating building!

  • @AntonyWest
    @AntonyWest 5 місяців тому

    Taken a while, but I'm starting to recognise BarcodeFlashName

  • @김상민-e8d
    @김상민-e8d 5 місяців тому

    Thanks for your video
    But i got some questions on you.
    How can you get recent replay of flash?

  • @pmendoza6681
    @pmendoza6681 5 місяців тому

    Do you guys think scout build counters this tank vulture building meta? I saw some game where protoss build 2 or 3 scout destroying tanks before reaching his base.

  • @TheBryceWade
    @TheBryceWade 5 місяців тому

    Flash is pushing the repair meta forward.
    He repaired the 3 tanks on the hill.
    When he figures out a repair crew, I think this push will be very hard for midgame Protoss to stop.

    • @Svenburchard
      @Svenburchard 5 місяців тому

      Excactly, can't believe it took so fucking long for these news to figure out that SCV's are medics on a stick! Good thing flash comes back to show some creativity to these robots.

  • @Svenburchard
    @Svenburchard 5 місяців тому

    CHILLS as I see the name "flash" in the upload. CHILLS guys.

  • @test-kz4fq
    @test-kz4fq 5 місяців тому

    Was there ever a corsair disruption web meta vs tanks? Or is it too slow / expensive?

    • @darkmaster3411
      @darkmaster3411 5 місяців тому +1

      I don't think there's been a meta that uses them (don't take my word for it though), like you say it's expensive (Fleet Beacon + research) and needs corsairs which aren't really used in PvT anyways. It also costs 125 energy so a corsair can only cast one without the energy upgrade and it only lasts 15 seconds which isn't bad but not great either.
      Computers love to do it though haha. 😝

    • @IroncladAlt
      @IroncladAlt 5 місяців тому +1

      bonyth has a disruption web build iirc but idk if it works outside of the foreign scene

    • @BLooDCoMPleX
      @BLooDCoMPleX 3 місяці тому

      @@darkmaster3411 On top of all that it affects your units too, so if you reach Tanks with your Zealots they will not attack.

  • @Doubleptrem
    @Doubleptrem 5 місяців тому

    9:25 artosis burp

  • @Materialist39
    @Materialist39 5 місяців тому

    This was a cool one. Rather than “push the cart” a al OW or TF2 this game became “push the turret”

  • @twoweektrial
    @twoweektrial 5 місяців тому

    I had always wondered why carriers never showed up in PvZ. Thank you!

    • @ppshchik
      @ppshchik 5 місяців тому

      You sacrifice map control by investing your resources into expensive units that can get killed by dark swarm + hydralisks

  • @keef920
    @keef920 5 місяців тому

    Is there any utility for lockdown against carriers? Or is it too much of an expense to add a covert ops and extra barracks?

    • @yaninacepqni2091
      @yaninacepqni2091 5 місяців тому

      Boxer used that long time ago and it works

    • @darkmaster3411
      @darkmaster3411 5 місяців тому

      Sadly it's expensive, very micro intensive and ghosts are very squishy. It's not really reliable compared to goliaths or wraiths I think, not to mention ghosts themselves are nearly useless as a unit besides the lockdown. I suppose you could attempt a nuke but that often doesn't go well. :P

  • @zimsterzimster
    @zimsterzimster 5 місяців тому

    I was very confused by the commentary about flash’s optimization vs range less expand, considering that it looked like he had (mistakenly?idk) gotten air weapon upgrade, then canceled, and then got dragoon range again :/

    • @ppshchik
      @ppshchik 5 місяців тому

      The air attack is used to fool terran into thinking that protoss is getting range since it costs less. Flash's 2 tank mine + marine pressure is also strong against nexus before range toss

    • @zimsterzimster
      @zimsterzimster 5 місяців тому

      @@ppshchik thanks haha, I didn’t mean I was confused by the gameplay, just confused by the commentary

  • @LtBlue14
    @LtBlue14 5 місяців тому +2

    Any chance you can upload at 8am instead of 9am eastern so east coasters can watch before work?

    • @nanthilrodriguez
      @nanthilrodriguez 5 місяців тому +3

      Just skip a day and you'll have one to watch the next morning

  • @PULVERIZOR
    @PULVERIZOR 5 місяців тому

    Flash has gone very quickly from not knowing current meta to using it as bait. Look out.

  • @kevinf.2556
    @kevinf.2556 5 місяців тому +5

    Rich needs to do a proper game analysis afterwards...
    He couldve run in his goon vs 1 rine in bunker and harassed SCV building CC... thats a big thing, because it forces more marine production delays CC etc. ...
    Then later his Arbiter defense was executed horrible to say the least :/
    i DO like the DT baiting scans though - but he didnt abuse his strategy at all here
    I think he assumed he could faceroll flashes army afterwards and thats why he dedicated his army but he didnt even MOVE his arbiter as he pushed into flashes army leaving everything exposed...

    • @nanthilrodriguez
      @nanthilrodriguez 5 місяців тому

      Was thinking the same thing, but what I recognized is that he pulled it back to deal with the vulture that was already outside his own nat

    • @ObeliskM
      @ObeliskM 5 місяців тому +1

      He couldn't run dragoon in because of vulture threat.
      And arbiter wouldn't change anything since Flash already had a turret there.

  • @eyeonjustice7641
    @eyeonjustice7641 5 місяців тому

    n00b here. Can someone tell me why Battle Cruisers aren't used against Carriers? My assumption is that psi storm will wreck BCs.

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 5 місяців тому

      Yup, that's mostly it. Psi storm too powerful vs BCs. If you get an ok position, dragoons are good too, if there aren't many BCs.
      If by some mirable there's a bunch of them, statis can work too, and then the protoss can go and destroy your base. But that shouldn't happen, if the Terran has time to make >4 BCs, it means it should've won anyway.

    • @superoldbaby
      @superoldbaby 5 місяців тому

      Yeah, and pretty much everything Protoss has is good against BCs: storm, dragoons, arbiters, carriers, dark archons

    • @yaninacepqni2091
      @yaninacepqni2091 5 місяців тому

      ​@hellotheremyolfriendi used to go BC plus EMP against carriers but thats vs my mates but we are so lame compared to real players so maybe it doesnt work in pro games

    • @BLooDCoMPleX
      @BLooDCoMPleX 3 місяці тому +1

      Mind control from Dark Archons

  • @heyimSkyee
    @heyimSkyee 5 місяців тому

    Terran honor only

  • @kaxgaming8421
    @kaxgaming8421 5 місяців тому +1

    Hi Artosis!

  • @happybeach777
    @happybeach777 5 місяців тому

    Newb question...Ghosts and a few BT's can't take care of carriers?

    • @tommymartineau6131
      @tommymartineau6131 5 місяців тому +1

      Ghosts are crazy hard and expensive to tech into. Having more than one barracks is v uncommon in Pvt cuz protoss shreds bio.

    • @Pico141
      @Pico141 5 місяців тому +3

      And your chances of getting ghosts into range aren't that big, since you always have a ground army as a protoss too, and ghosts are very squishy.
      As for Battlecruisers - in a real game against a decent protoss who's active with his army it's just impossible to pull off a battecruiser switch. By the time you get a decent amount, you're going to be dead.
      The only other answer Terrans have is a surprise attack with cloaked wraiths, where you try to hide a transition into wraiths, get a decent number of them and then try to snipe the observer and kill the carriers, since wraiths demolish air units - but only if they can't shoot back. But that's why you see players like Bisu always having multiple observers with their carriers.

    • @happybeach777
      @happybeach777 5 місяців тому

      @@tommymartineau6131 cool that makes sense thanks man!

    • @happybeach777
      @happybeach777 5 місяців тому

      @@Pico141 Awesome thanks for the explantion!

    • @ObeliskM
      @ObeliskM 5 місяців тому

      I don't get why no terran uses valkyries, their splash would murder mass observers, and then wraiths kill carriers safely.

  • @Protoklatos
    @Protoklatos 5 місяців тому

    12:10 The Ebay is over the tank, but the SCV is actually repairing the Ebay even! So much value.

  • @GeneralPathik4201luv
    @GeneralPathik4201luv 5 місяців тому +1

    hey man, good day here, hope its a good day here for you too. Listen, great casts recently they've been fun games, but how long will it take Flash to show lockdown vs carriers on the ladder, do you think?

    • @thunder____
      @thunder____ 5 місяців тому +1

      Probably literally forever because Ghost bad unit

  • @spicoledude
    @spicoledude 5 місяців тому

    Brilliant

  • @czolgistta
    @czolgistta 5 місяців тому

    Why does he never build wraiths? 4 of those would have massacred those tacts and the reavers.

    • @reishiki8682
      @reishiki8682 5 місяців тому +1

      Because it's a timing push, any time bought by P to delay the attack before their teching out of reavers into either templar, arbiter or carrier they are very vulnerable to a factory timing attack a.k.a. cranking out as many vultures & tanks and hitting P before their switch can come online. Plus with good enough micro you can just target the dropped reaver immediately.

    • @Pico141
      @Pico141 5 місяців тому

      And then he would have a ground army so weak that the protoss would crush him without any shuttles or reavers

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 5 місяців тому

      Those what and reavers ? Also, by the time you have 4 wraiths, the first reaver would've done a lot of damage.

    • @superoldbaby
      @superoldbaby 5 місяців тому

      Each wraith costs the same as a tank, so 4 less tanks in the push. Also, you need to build starport, so that's one less factory, which also contributes to less tanks/vults. What made the push overwhelming is the insane amount of tanks he has that early. No need to change what he's doing so far, imo

  • @gregjuva
    @gregjuva 5 місяців тому +1

    Flash!!

  • @jnerdal
    @jnerdal 5 місяців тому

    Flash Flsah Flhas!

  • @Omguserr
    @Omguserr 5 місяців тому

    Terran really weak - Artosis 2024

  • @kevinswift8654
    @kevinswift8654 5 місяців тому

    12:40 "cloak can't be wasted" - It can be wasted on wraiths, ghosts... Oh, terran units! How convenient! :D

  • @marketingcoelho2058
    @marketingcoelho2058 5 місяців тому

    That tank below the eng bay, between the natural and third... dropping massacre into the ground 😂 This reminding me the memes like "Oh, you beat sing player? I beat multiplayer."

  • @aratosm
    @aratosm 5 місяців тому +4

    Flash keeps showing he's even better professional player than Jordan.

  • @yO-xe3ny
    @yO-xe3ny 5 місяців тому +1

    Boring. Whats the point of watching? Just assume Flash wins.

  • @Endlessmelody4
    @Endlessmelody4 5 місяців тому

    👍🏻

  • @Existence_End
    @Existence_End 5 місяців тому

    Savage

  • @Egganopolis82
    @Egganopolis82 5 місяців тому

    tbf, most of the game is math.

  • @LORFCASTER
    @LORFCASTER 5 місяців тому

    gg

  • @wijn1008
    @wijn1008 5 місяців тому

    Wow can't believe flash won. If my man would build some wraiths like...ever he would seriously counter a lot of these strats.

  • @Runstrem
    @Runstrem 5 місяців тому

    .

  • @rosselliott6515
    @rosselliott6515 5 місяців тому

    comments

  • @novitrix9671
    @novitrix9671 5 місяців тому

    Spoilers
    Honestly that timing was an incredible display of ape rally amove macro. Didnt seem in the slightest bit holdable.

  • @torathel23
    @torathel23 5 місяців тому +4

    First comment.

    • @ozfx1860
      @ozfx1860 5 місяців тому +1

      Save up 400 minerals use your probe to buy a life.

    • @torathel23
      @torathel23 5 місяців тому

      Probe? Pft. I play Terran.

  • @kevinf.2556
    @kevinf.2556 5 місяців тому +1

    Carriers are outscaled by:
    Stasis
    Storm
    Scouts
    Plague
    Dark Swarm & Hyra
    Wraith sniping observers
    Battlecruisers
    Any race can fight carrier given they had time to prepare vs. them

    • @reishiki8682
      @reishiki8682 5 місяців тому

      Counterpoint :
      Reavers splatter massed hydras, same with psistorms
      Scouts are notoriously expensive while being cost ineffecient.
      If P v P had to reach a point where both got to carriers & arbiters that might as well be just a casual ladder game.
      T "HAS" to pressure P before their tech switch out of reaver harass into arbiter/carrier/templar since P will just get more expansions quickly than T getting a 3rd base
      T will never have enough resources to mass a decent BC count when the carrier count reaches a dangerous mass, which is normally 6. Oh, they're both very expensive, take awhile do build, needs a Physics Lab AND Yamato for them to pay for their worth.... during which by that point all those resources could've gone for units you could fight with like tanks & goliaths.

    • @Pico141
      @Pico141 5 місяців тому +1

      Wraiths sniping observers is a bad take, since if protoss gets time to prepare too, he can just get multiple observers with his carriers, like Bisu does.
      Also we're not playing Fastest Map Possible here, in a real game zerg and toss counter carriers nicely, but terran just has to do a timing attack and hope to win

    • @ObeliskM
      @ObeliskM 5 місяців тому

      Couple of valkyries would have killed multiple observers very easily.

    • @VolkannGul
      @VolkannGul 5 місяців тому

      In PVP i believe Mind Control better counter for enemy carriers instead of going Scouts / Storm.