TR6S : This ruined everything…
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- In this video I will show you how the TR6S sounds, how is the workflow, how is it to program drum with, why did I bought the TR6S and not the TR8S, if I regretted that choice, what I don’t like about the TR6S, and some of my favourite tips…
⌚ Timeline:
00:00 Intro
00:25 Why did I bought it?
00:34 Why not the TR8S ?
01:14 Does it sound good ?
02:23 Audio example
03:16 Sequencing Tutorial
09:18 Workflow ?
09:44 Favourite tips
14:37 What I don’t like
15:59 This ruined everything…
17:08 Do I regret buying it ?
18:01 …over the TR8S
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This is one of the baddest beat box machine that's come along in a while tons of sounds at your finger tips
indeed, and doesn' take too much space neither !
Very tempting to try. Thanks for the video
you're welcome !
Top notch mate 👌powerful small box and great video
Thanks, yeah so small and does so much !
Excellent tips. Thank you.
You're welcome !
The main function I use on this machine in my fleet is the step loop for drum fills on the fly. Other than that I don’t really rave about it. My TR-09 is the workhorse, and I use a volca sample for strange samples as the tr-6s sucks for dealing with external samples.
yeah that's for what I used it oo, quick drums on the fly, I never put sample on it tbh...
Hey Paul! I wonder what you think about this.. so I was thinking about perhaps getting a drumcomputer, perhaps this one or the TR8S. I recently got myself a soundcard secondhand (focusrite 8i6) in advance so that I could record my (yet to be bought) synths and drums. Well thats where I might have messed up.
While I will do some jamming live purely for myself, I mostly want to actually work on finishing tracks, so i will be recording a lot in the DAW (and I think being able to record individual tracks would be very useful) However, considering the audio over usb with both these machines seems to be rather shitty with windows, I am a little lost in what to do. These machines seem very nice, especially for techno. I also really like the idea of being able to jam and record it afterwards. I am not a big fan of assigning a lot of controls, as you do with a midi controller (although Push 2 is easier in that sense I believe?)
If I were to go for the tr8s, i couldn't connect it directly into my interface either. Sure there are probably hardware workarounds (mixer/larger interface) but that is not really an option now for me money and space wise. CUrrently I could route some outputs and the master into my focusrite but then that's not everything. I then would have to redo the recording multiple times with different outputs, right? Do you have any experience with this, is this much of a hassle?
Also, the usb option requires the tr8s to use its own soundcard, which makes the focusrite useless as the soundcards cant be used simultaneously (unless you use asio4all which seems to be a pain I heard). I I assume the tr6s also needs to use its own soundcard for recording audio over USB, is this the case?
Tl;dr; i really would like to jam with drums and eventually some synths as well. However, windows support quite sucks and my audio interface is not big enough for recording (enough) individual outs. Its not even really possible recording individuals outs at all when talking about the tr6s if I am correct, since that would, just like the tr8s, require to run on its own soundcard in ableton right?
Knowing all this.. and wanting to have a hybrid setup where I can mess around and play but still recording my stuff into ableton.. would you still think getting the tr6/8s is a good idea? Would indeed a different machine, like the digitakt, not then be a better idea?
I hope you can make any sense of this message, as it is is 1 huge chaos haha
sorry for the late reply but as it's a long message, it take longer to reply.
First if your plan is to do multi recording, that soundcard is gonna quickly need to be upgraded. But can be great for now, let me explain.
I would say get a tr6s or tr8s only if you are really after that roland TR sound and you want to create them from scratch with the engine. If using tr samples from online library is good for you then go with something else. If you plan to use more samples for your drums, a digitakt might be better, especially with elektron overbridge and audio over usb. You can have 8 drums track via usb and then you can use the other 6 input of your sound card for synths ( which means time before you need to update.
The only things is that tr8s is more hand-ons control and more fun to play live/jam with as you have more fader and knob than a digitakt. But you also need more input in your soundcard for multi recording. except if you use asio4all that will let you have both input from your soundcard and tr8s together, asio4all is pain but the only drawback I have is that when you use asio4all in ableton with your soundcard, then you cannot use in the same time your soundcard to have audio from your media player on windows or internet/youtube etc...
these kind of dilemna, you will have them all the time and obnly you really have the answer and it take time and often mistake to really know what you needed...
Please, can you share how you did the Audio Example Nº6 around minute 2:50 on your video. Thanks so much.
Them kicks are quality, what a little beast
Indeed, great little machine...
Super review
Thank you 🙂, glad you liked it !
I was thinking to buy RD-9 but after a bit search changed my mind. TR-6S has more features, is smaller, more control from DAW as CC protocol and don't need for live act.After your video that going to be my next buy.Hopefully toget good price at Black Friday hihi
haha yeah I would go for it too, finger cross you will get a deal 🤞
It's only the lack of space that's stopped me buying an RD-9. But the Elektron stuff really does spoil everything else for me. The combination of features and workflow is just so good. Shame about the damn prices.
Suppose the USB wasn’t an issue. What are the main reasons for having a tr6s instead of just using a drum rack inside ableton? And if using with ableton, would you use the tr6s sequencer or trigger it from midi clips in ableton?
tr6s i bought it because of the sound engine, you can create the classic x0x sounds from scratch and shape them the way you want. If you use drum rack you have to use samples. No I will never use the ableton sequencer to sequence the tr6s I think, its seamless to do everything with the tr6s, rather than create the sound with the tr6s but then using abeton to sequence kind of less seamless imo.
tr6s sounds amazing and as a live performance machine it is hard to beat thanks for the drive tip
it really sounds brilliant
use your influence contact Roland start the ball rolling use the force luke
Thanks , haha people have been claiming recreation of classic x0x for years now, they dont care, you really think they gonna listen to me hahaha... They release an editor for the tr6s but it's just standalone, not for your daw, what kind of joke is that...
Hi ! Geeky techno request - how did you get the low toms sequence of Pattern 1-05 -nicely done.
Hi, great video. This is a beast of little machine. Can you tell me how many patterns can you load? I know it has 128 but can you access all 128 or ia there a limit? Would this be good device for live?
I am not sure but I would say 128 yeah, yeah this is perfect for live! It's a beast indeed
ola, is it powerfull, punch for techno kick ? not too cold with acb ? i hesitate with mpc500, tr6s is sexy perf ;). cool tuto. cheers
Yes it's punchy and very good for techno. Cold I don't know I didn't really compare it, wouldn't say so... I never try MPC so I can't tell tbh
funny thing: just switched from TR-6S to TR-8S (although I also don't really have room for it.) I like the fact that all physical controls are there on the TR-8S, and less menu diving and use of shift. For me it makes it easier to jam on. No problems with audio over USB (Mac M1) and Ableton. Btw: it's not necessary to plug all devices on the Mac directly for aggregate device to work (my SH-01A is on a powered USB hub). The TR-8S just does not like being on a hub in general, even without audio over USB.
haha yes I hesitated for a long period of time, I rather get the tr6s, nevertheless both are amazing anyway, just depend everyone needs
Hey this is a great review, do you have any recommendations for getting started with hardware? I use ableton like yourself and I want to change up my work flow. I have an Akaii mini MPK II and that's cool but seeing these drum machines and sequence synthesisers look like a lot of fun! I'd like to get more "physical" when it comes to production. I was considering the Push 2 but I would like something that is standalone and not DAW dependant. Maybe the arturia minibrute 2S but is this too over the top for a beginner in hardware? I've been producing for 12+ years if that helps.
Most of hardware you will have a learning curve, if you want to make music without ableton, looks for a groovebox, the roland mc707 is apparently great, you can create a track just with that. If you want hardware synth there are plenty of choices and you need to do your own research as there is so many choices...
if you want a full production sub for a daw the new mpc lives are amazing standalone, you can bounce directly to live as well.
@@dontcallmejon yeah, I haven't check/tried yet but looks indeed a good alternative too !
MPC One really is the best bang for your buck. It quickly became the centre of my studio.
Reminds me of the old Boss-DR202 from back in the day. This sounds a hell of a lot better tho...
ahah for sure !
there is a max for live for Automation. And Audio over USB is nice no issues w/ MBP . cheers man good luck. I love it
Yes I know, I am aware of it, with windows you can use asio4all too for the audio but not really my cup of tea. Compare to elektron and their overbridge where it's plug and play... But I guess elektron is really far in advance in that technology compare to Roland, which is funny when comparing the size of the two company...
@@audioreakt There is no Roland ASIO for TR6S? All of their other products have ASIO drivers.
Hey! can you do similar video with the mc707? (showing how you make the HT sounds)
I don't own the 707 unfortunately...
Thank you for the great review! TR6S is an awesome beast, a real hardcore drum machine. USB is not an issue for me since I don't use it :)
it sounds great and doesn't take space, to be fair now I regret no seperate input even mini jack would have work for me, because audio over usb is not good. Fair enough but I need to have seperate output as I always process my kick and hats differently for exemple...
@@audioreakt pan them hard left and hard right and process L/R channels as dual mono channels?
Thanks for the great info! You haved me some money! There is no excuse for not supporting the biggest operating system in the world. Happily there are plenty of good alternatives to Roland who apparently want to avoid the biggest market. I will stick with my Push which is fantastic and just works without the jank.
I mean don't get my opinion wrong, I kept it on the end for the classic sounds, but I/O workflow is a shame, the vst standlone editor is a joke too (the fact that it cannot be use in your daw)
@@audioreakt Yup. My exact use case is linked up to Ableton. I dont live perform. If Roland wants my money they can create a good interface that works with windows and Ableton. My minimum expectation is to plug it into a USB port and load up my own sounds direct, or download them direct from the device. Also download/upload and control it all from within Ableton. Other companies can do this, Roland doeant want to cover my use case which is fine other companies do. The ability to create authentic sample packs is awesome and the portability looks fabulous! But I dont make sample packs. I just buy em :)
@@rodvik I almost got this. Glad I went with tr8-S because it controls my ableton really well. Every knob and slider midi maps anything in ableton. Plus it also triggers my ableton drums. It’s amazing. Both worlds. Daw and live.
@@bombjelly5795 Thank you!!! I will check it out!
@@audioreaktespecially bad when other brands like Arturia give you a vst that works by itself in a DAW
If you buy a Minifreak you get the vst version with it free
Excellent video, especially the tips part.- By the way i see the price for tr6s climbing 10-20% and the tr8s is fallung by over 20%. In the past i had to make same decision as to go for the tr6s and one of the main reasons: the tr8s is to big in size beside so much other gear on the desk.
haha yes the footprint is too big, I mean for my studio desk too
Its kind of frustrating. I often get annoyed by not having the mt, ht, rs, cc and cb track 8s had, but also lack the space for it
The MC-101 and 707 work perfectly with Windows, you get multi-track audio over USB (long as you use the Roland driver) I'm very surprised it doesn't work on the TR6S
it work with windows if you use asio4all or if you use the tr6s as soundcard which is not possible as I have another main soundcard that I need to record other synths. But if you know a driver or software where I can use my main sound card and have a multi track recording of the tr6s via usb without asio4all I would like to know
@@audioreakt When I went to Mac I was amazed that I could use multiple interfaces/sound cards. Windows needs to get on that. Because I could see this feature being annoying having to switch back and forth.
@@MrOuija-rr8kq don't tell me about, I need to upgrade my computer soon, and I might switch back to mac for that reason (and because they M1 chip are insane haha)
@@MrOuija-rr8kq Does this apply to the ipad pro as well?
It just got a new update.
How is it now?
How good r the fm sounds?Can you do weird stuff with them or only drum sounds?
Would you still recommend it?
Size and Portability (and price) is cool.
Thinking of 6s or cycles.
Have u tried it yet?
didn't have time to try it out yet, probably next week. I stillr ecommend it becuae it's small, sounds good, and fast to program
didn't tried the cycles yet nor the syntakt which both sound interesting
Hey Aynil, not really regarding this video but in a previous one you said you use a subpack, is it worth it and usefull? Can't really imagine it but I have big Problems with bass!
for me it's worth it if you cannot use subwoofer or speaker than goes low... But it's like anything else, you need a bit of time and reference with your favourite track to know how you want your low end to "feel"
@@audioreakt Dude youre such a beast, you answer everytime I ask something in your comments, I admire and respect that hustle !! Im gonna buy smth from your website now just to finally support you !!(pr is a black friday sale coming soon ;-)? )
keep it up !!!
@@Struktur.d.M yes I try to answer all the comment, I still have a "small" amount of comment per day so I can answer them. thanks for your support, and yes it will be black friday sale ;)
I love my TR-6s. It's A super powerful tiny machine and I have Windows too (and I love Windows :P) and yes, it's harder to configure more than one audio interface and they didn 't add this feature on Windows 11, but it is not that hard. After seeing so many people using Mac and complaining about so many things, like incompatibility with the latest Mac processors and tons of VST, I honestly prefer to deal with setting up Windows to run with more than one audio interface rather than having incompatibility problems every time Apple upgrades the CPU or the OS. I might upgrade my 6s to an 8s because I feel that I need more than 6 instruments playing at the same time, but other than that, the 6s rocks. Thanks for the video!
I love it too, it work well with asio4all but when you had a taste of Elektron Overbridge... you expect more, especially from a company like roland... anyway still a little great box !
@@audioreakt Didn't know about the Electron Overbridge, and yes, Roland could do something like that. If you have tons of Boutiques and Aira gear, all with USB audio options, it would be great to have a piece of hardware for connecting everything. It looks like the original Aira mixer has something like that where you can plug all the Aira gear to the mixer, using USB instead of the analog outputs, but it has some limitations and it's kind of old.
@@MaximilianoSchneider yeah there is an aira mixer I think which does that
Wow, I got quite surprised with what you list as a disadvantage - mostly because no other device on the market other than Elektron ones support something overbridge-like. It was their huge selling point and something that took them years and was initially extremely unstable... I understand your disappointment (when I learned about ASIO limitations in Windows I was as disappointed :( ), but it's not something that is up to a producer and I personally don't expect anyone else (whether Roland or not) to support it in the coming years...
Other than this, I agree with most of your review (and as always 100% appreciate your content). I got TR8S to have a Roland drum machine as center of my drum programming for jamming and those classic Roland sounds and it turned out to be much more. I don't have it for long, but love many hidden options beyond obvious - I'll try right away some of the tricks you mention! I was surprised by the lack of per track LFOs. This is a digital machine, so no reason for this limitation - maybe they'll lift it in firmware update?
yeah maybe my expectation are too high, but once you had a taste of overbridge, it's hard to get back to "classic" stuff... Maybe I am too picky, but for me it is crazy that they are the only one doing that (or maybe it's harder to develop/program than I think)... And personnally the sync/recording/latency quality of a machine, it is really what make me use it from 90% to 10%...because I rather make music than spending hour syncing everything, finding a good audio routing...
Me I am still hoping they will develop something in the future, that would take it to the next level... Now I almost regret to don't have the tr8s because of the seperate output... but I don't have the space and really like the compact form of the tr6s... One day maybe...
About the lfo, yeah the saw down waveform and a lfo per track is really needed...
I literally bought an TR-8s last night from watching the performances on the Another Machines channel. Any chance you will make a sample pack for it?
I don't think so, but I might do a video where I create kit from scratch with the TR6S and i will probably give the kit for free
Don’t forget, you can load any samples on there including the packs he already has out!
@@chr1sdanger I think he was refering packs for the tr6s/tr8s, like using the ACB engine and not samples
I just had a heart attack. I thought you were abandoning the push2.
I just ordered one yesterday, due to the lack of expectations about push3.
Remember you made me sold my mpc, still not regretting
No , I cannot make music without push2 haha
@@audioreaktthanks God, in push we trust. New for 460e at least not bad price
@@marcosrotllan yes push is too good, I have a new push video next wednesday, stay tuned ;)
I really don't get how big manufacturers haven't copied the shit out of overbridge yet… it just works so well. Why wouldn't you want your users to have that?
As for drum machines, I'll stick with my tanzbär :)
happy to see someone thinking like me...I don't understand neither, probably it's really hard to do...I mean overbridge it's plug and play, everything is perfectly sync, you got seperate audio in ableton... I mean, how many poeple making music nowaday have an hybrid setup ? 70% at least if not more. That's why when I saw roland releasing a standalone plugin that you cannot connect to your daw or have seperate input with , I was like 🤦♂, what you want me to do with that ?, controling my hardware with my mouse?, doesn't make any sense, but everyone seems happy with that when you read comments, I don't know lol . Don't talk about Tanzbar, I've been hunting one for a year now...no luck yet
Great video. I also have the MicroFreak, an out of this world synth, and will now buy the TR 6s. Now my question would be connectivity, how do I connect the MicroFreak, the TR 6s, my midi keyboard and my audio interface? Lol still an amateur here
want want to connect everything to ableton or stay dawless ? Use midi or usb
@@audioreakt ableton
can you comment how LFO handling with tr8s? Is it the same as tr6s or better?
I am not sure I don't have the tr8s
2:50:D wow, what a bassline:D u should do a track from that!
yeah probably my next deep track I will use this as a bass !
TR-6S vs Model:Samples (with good TR-sample kits) - would be interesting to compare.
TR-6/8S are not purely sample based but utilize ACB technology ( same as the Boutiques). I guess you could compare the MC707 and the Model Samples tho.
Like VNDM said, you buy a tr6/8s for the acb sound engine to create the sound from scratch, not to use as sampler. You could but I think they are better sampler machine for that. The only thing you can compare the tr6/8s with it's all the x0x clones out there maybe...
i think aubout to buy a second one for percussion. today i sample the percussionpart into my octatrack, but this need more preparation. I love the tr6s. For me the best in the market.
yes it's a pretty cool machine !
TBH a part of me still thinks I should have bought the MC-101 first, but it does the job and I like it enough to keep it for now. I don't plan to touch it much, just sequence it externally and use its sounds and effects.
mc-101 is great if you want to do more than just drums... me I have other synth/vst to do this part so I don't need a groovebox but jus a drum machine. depend what you want.
As a 2nd hand buy, ~200 £¢€, this is a no brainer purchase. Samples, FM, ACB emulations and FX in a battery powered box and eight channels of streaming audio over usb when you need it. V2.0 gave us CR78 emulations and other improvements and fixes. What's not to like?
yeah not I love mine, just the audio over usb but implemented like with elektron machine would be even better... but it's ok I used the master outpur
@@audioreakt Overbridge would pretty cool, but aggregate on Mac and Asio4all gets you to the same place (I use Asio4all to aggregate 4 devices on my pc)
From first Minutes i would say its a very nice little machine :) i would say roland typical
Yeah, love the sound !
My main frustration always ends up being only having 6 channels at once. But I dont have the space for a 8s even if i had the money
Unrelated, but they finally added the CR-78 to it and 8s in a firmware update 2 months ago
yeah I feel you, if it was my only drum machine I would miss couple of track, but because i use it more like a secondary or extra drum machine , it's perfect for me. but yeah if i had the space i would have take the tr8s but also I really love how compact the tr6s is...
how is the recording quality when u record into individual tracks into daw?
Its good
@@audioreakt I hate how you have to switch to tr-8s audio driver in daw to record separatrely though, then change utility settings also. or else it wouldve been perfect
Audio over Usb isn't really better on Mac, yes it's works flawlessly but once you want to use an audio interface you need an aggregate device . Aggregate devices only work when your soundcards are connected directly to the mac therefor I'm stuck using only 2 usb port when I want to record it and can't use other device like the push other wise I must sacrifice my soundcard or the 6S
Should work with elektron overhub.
@@-RXB- compatibility with Roland, if this option solved it all I’d be blessed
@@nunsc elecktron audio over usb is neat, with overbridge, it's plug and play , perfectly sync, multi track recording, never have problem, the dream... That why I feel so frustrated with Roland, maybe it's just elektron so head of their time...but once you had a taste at overbrudge ...
@@-RXB- it's crazy to think that they probably are the only company (with Moog) handling audio and sync via USB so perfectly ...
@@LegendPhase It should be like just pluggning it straight into your computer. From my experience overhub is basically like extending the amount of usb ports on your pc since it has extra DC power.
Synchronising Ableton with TR6s is a mess ! When i sequence the tr6s with Ableton i don't have any latency ... but when I sequence in the TR6s and start playing with play in Ableton, i have 79ms latency ! To believe that the start stop midi message has a latency. I specify that I use the midi synchronisation, not usb.
to be fair, I think Elektron is the only company with a good sync operation system, any other company I will always have struggle, latency etc... which pissed me off because plug, play, everything is perfectly sync, no headache...
I thought there was a sidechain in master fx’s no?
I don't think but even it would be sidechaining the whole master then ?
@@audioreakt I looked it up it’s a kinda sudo sidechain putting it on 2 tracks cause I think 🤔 each track can have a master fx or something like that
hi there, i was wondering if this device would be a good starting place for a complete beginer looking for a easy entry device for creating his own music ?
Is this model good enough for having some synth Melodies ?
or would it be better on the TR 8S ?
Thanks and keep up the good sounds !
This do only drum and sample which is not the best for synth, check the mc 101 or 707 (dépend your budget), they are grovebox, which means they do drums, samples and synth, rather than tr6s and tr8s are more like drum machine
@@audioreakt hey, thanks for the answer. Gonna have a look at that, are those models you mention "easy" to start with? (I think you use the term "workflow" isn't it?)
Also, I read that the tr 6s and 8s had a major update? Does it change anything about being more of a groove box?
(I saw pretty decent music tracks created with the 8s so I was Ondering if it was a good starting point)
Cheers
@@audioreakt also, what about the novation circuit over the Mc 101?
Any recommandation on that even cheaper one to start with?
Thanks
2:57 3:11 how did you get those hard kicks?
i think I play a lot with the gain , if you abuse it it drive pretty nicely
@@audioreaktok! 😊
Why does it sound so nice when you use it ;)
haha I don't know but I will do probably next year a video where I create pattern from scratch so youwill find out haha !
Make a industrial track/performance will mc101 and tr6s. That would be cool
I don't have the mc 101, but could do that with the tr6s and other stuff
There appears to be a Microfreak photobombing (videobombing?) your TR-6S.
haha he try to stole the show, little naughty one...
Mała, ale potężna maszyna perkusyjna. Roland Rules. 👽👽👍👍
Yeah so much for so little tbh
bro you need to try Model Cycles
yeah is it worth it ? I've been hesitating about getting one, never really been impress by the reviews/demos...
@@audioreakt check „another machines“ channel, he is doing impressive stuff with it
I think a digitakt would better for you, its an amazing machine and you can take it with you for travel with a power bank
Yes but the digitakt is a sampler not a drum machine...
@@audioreakt a sampler = infinity drummachine 😄
@@lazlybateman8819 yeah kindof, but sometime I prefer to build my drum from scratch rather than looking for the perfect samples...
just decided to get a model:cycles instead of this
that will probably be my next drum machine, lot of people seems to like it !
They are very different, i sold my cycles to buy the tr6s, after some month i bought again the little elektron, i love both
@@albertotolo I’m torn between both... 6s just got a new update.
Would you recommend it over the cycles now?
Love ur music btw.
Why don't you just buy an audio interface? Why are you relying on audio over usb? Just get an interface and track each track separately?
because the tr-6s only have 2 output, and would have been nice to be able to have 6 separated output through USB like the Analog rytm can do.
@@audioreakt Okay gotcha. But you should grab an interface anyways. That way you can At least record each track separately then apply your fx in post.
@@City2x I got an audio interface already, but is quite counter intuitive your method, especially for a machine that suppose to be ''performing oriented'' .Plus I am making techno and for me it's super important external processing and cannot wait the post stage because each track got his own processing : on the kick drum track I will have some rumble made of reverb, short reverb and delay on hats,, stereo processing on the ride, long reverb on clap/snare and so on...so I cannot just process all in the box and redo the post after...I really need this separate output to process each track in a specific way. hope it make sense
0:51 "I rather to have something small that I can put very close to mommy." Nice.
🤣🤣🤣 I just realise now, I didn't cut properly at the editing !
Erica synths LXR 02 > roland tr6s 👍🏻
Or u could just get a m8 🙂
Tbh I wasn't convince by the demo of the lxr 02, but anyway I really wanted a drum machine with classic x0x sounds but I will have a second look at the lxr
Very different machines!
@@chr1sdanger exactly. Tr6 is trash
@@wreignone tr6 is classic roland sound, so sounds good to me..
@@audioreakt and to me, too, damn good
What do expect?? Theirs nuff vids on u tube telling u ..
Way too much knob tweaking here to get a nice drum pattern. Some new tech just isn’t great tech. It just means more steps. I’ll pass. Great vid though.
Well for sure it's not the most hands on machine, the tr8s might be more suited for that. That's the cost to have a small footprint, but still I found the sound very good !
Very clickbaity title, not cool
it's not clickbait, I still have it but but rarely use it because of the fact that it cannot do audio via usb like overbridge. If it has this function i will use this machine way much more. it's really a shame, where I am so pissed it's that it's n ot a boutique company or like a small company, it's f*** Roland... aftyer that they released a vst editor which is only standalone and cannot be use into your daw... I mean who is going to use this connected to a computer without using a daw ??? doesn't make any sense