A Lutheran Approach to Theosis

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  • Опубліковано 13 кві 2023
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    This is a talk that I delivered at Cross and Crown Lutheran Church in Tucson, AZ. You can find the church's website at: www.crossandcrowntucson.org
    The topic is the doctrine of theosis from a Lutheran perspective.

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  • @tonyeriksson8803
    @tonyeriksson8803 Рік тому +71

    Thanks to you Jordan I learned the true teaching of the Bible and Lutheranism in my search for a congregation and denomination. I found evangelical Lutheran Mission Diocese of Finland by them and AALC belonging to the International Lutheran Council. Been a catechumen (if that is the right word) for two months now as I come from a Mormon background. Thanks to you and praise to the Lord

  • @LucasCLarson

    Crucial point around

  • @Athabrose
    @Athabrose Рік тому +18

    This is desperately needed in the church today. I’ve been concerned about this for a while. Living within a theosis mystical union reality has changed my spiritual life completely. Keep on going! Thanks Dr. Cooper.

  • @nickynolfi833
    @nickynolfi833 Рік тому +6

    I feel that the filioque helps with this. The filioque is why sanctification and justification shouldn't be too divided. Because the holy Spirit can be called the Spirit of the Son this means that sanctification is tied to the infused righteousness of Christ.

  • @tylerrossjcl
    @tylerrossjcl Рік тому +15

    Interesting to hear this from a Lutheran point of view. From my perspective as a Catholic, the doctrine of theosis has pretty profound implications regarding merit, works, Solus Christus, and soli Deo Gloria. Would love to see a dialogue between our two communions on this point from the starting point of theosis.

  • @lumosmaxima3960
    @lumosmaxima3960 Рік тому +5

    Thank you Dr Cooper! The theme of understanding God’s union with man through faith in Christ was foundational to me becoming Lutheran. For me it is the lived reality of our justification by faith alone. I pray more Lutherans don’t shy away from it! You are doing important work.

  • @matswinther8991
    @matswinther8991 Рік тому +9

    Excellent lecture! Also Bengt R. Hoffman criticizes the way in which Lutheranism has become too rationalistic by throwing out the mystical side ("Luther and the Mystics", 1976; "Theology of the Heart: The Role of Mysticism in the Theology of Martin Luther", 1998).

  • @sierragrey7910
    @sierragrey7910 Рік тому +5

    Extremely helpful to even this Reformed person. Reformed share the Biblicist vs philosophy issue, and the distrust of mystery and what the phrases “union with” or “partaking of” or “sharing in” Christ mean.

  • @tuomassalo6102
    @tuomassalo6102 Рік тому +2

    This is such a helpful presentation! Thank you!

  • @Wanttoknowabout
    @Wanttoknowabout Рік тому +4

    Fantastic presentation!

  • @juhamarkkula7004

    Wonderful and super important lecture! Thank you!

  • @halo0360
    @halo0360 Рік тому +3

    I resonate with your beginning statements. I took an English class in High school where we read Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God and was one of the few students who opposed its legalism. I resonated much more with the church fathers and enjoyed them far more.

  • @institutoarete
    @institutoarete Рік тому +3

    Great talk, Dr Cooper!

  • @collettewhitney2141
    @collettewhitney2141 Рік тому +4

    @dr jorden Cooper amzing absolutely amazing presentation God bless you ✝️🛐

  • @e.z.1913
    @e.z.1913 Рік тому +8

    Without theosis as the very goal of salvation, Christianity is but an empty shell. The recovery of such an essential aspect of the economy of salvation is urgently needed! Many thanks for the great presentation!

  • @brandonclark908
    @brandonclark908 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Dr. Cooper!

  • @logicaredux5205
    @logicaredux5205 Рік тому +1

    Very good! I think I like your presentation style better when you are before an audience.

  • @lucasberglund5358
    @lucasberglund5358 Рік тому +2

    Excellent!

  • @jdk36
    @jdk36 Рік тому +2

    more of this please

  • @williamfarmer5154
    @williamfarmer5154 Рік тому +2

    It seems to me that the noumena/phenomena distinction is similar to the essence/energies distinction in the theology of Palamas, for example. The noumena, like the essence of God, is unknowble, while it is through the phenomena that we gain knowledge of the world and it is through God's energies that we gain knowledge of Him.