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You didn't respond to anything he actually said. You just played a bunch of quote mined clips; presumably to signal your followers into rejecting anything He has said without even understanding the arguments.
Wow you really poked the hornet's nest that is the cult of JP. I always look forward to your chats in part because the comments are often very interesting, but many here are borderline unhinged.
This is an extremely narcissistic response. Before responding, I read your comment & it reads like a defense of a cult leader & you personally feel attacked by Vlad. Perhaps you should listen again to his chat? And his specific points? Then wait for the longer video?
Lost respect for a lot of north american conservatives with this war. They are projecting their issues on something that is extremely different than the "culture war". Very childish.
He’s Old … I’m old and I’m telling These old people my age 60s they need to shut up , get out of the freaking way and let the younger generations ( Vlad here , Zelensky , Duda ,, etc etc ) have their turn with the world !.. My “boomer “ gen has a death grip and won’t LET GO . They are the senior citizens that are still in the road doing 15 mph when the younger people are trying to commute home after a log day . Get off the road … get out of the way… be wise and graceful.
@@jetv1471 I’m going to turn 60 in October. Don’t call me old please. I don’t feel old and I don’t have the same mindset as JP. And don’t call me a boomer either. I don’t identify with the boomers. Many people born in ~1961-~1966 don’t understand the boomers and we don’t particularly like them. We identify much more with gen-x. I have no idea why we are lumped with the boomers.
@@jetv1471 Eh, we got a taste of what some of the younger generation (the loudest portion anyway) would like to do if given free rein, in 2020, and that was pretty ugly. Boomers are fading from the landscape through attrition. Gen X is not a large enough generation to throw any cultural or economic weight around. Millenials and Zoomers will get their chance to be in charge soon enough. Hopefully by then enough of them will have a stake in the economy that they can keep their radicals in check. Tearing down the world to spite the boomers really wouldn't be good for anyone.
From Romania your analysis of JP on Ukraine is very close to the mark. JP values Dostoyevsky and the Orthodox Church and assumes that Putin [publicly pro Russian Orthodox church] must have some moral imperative in starting the war and he is dead wrong on this. Putin values power, anything else, like human life, religious faith, truth or "western civilizational values" are just convenient tools for him to use or enemies to destroy when they become obstacles in his grand plan of gradual acquisition of absolute power. It seems to me that JP is willfully blind on Putin as a direct and present danger to the "West" JP loves and wants to coopt Putin in his Truth crusade against leftist extremism. Meanwhile Ukrainians are dying protecting western values against an old style autocrat.
Biggest takeaway is how through Peterson’s words you can see just how much reactionaries in the west internalize and approve of the the criticism Russia levies at it…degeneracy from feminism and LGBT+ rights, “bumbling” democracies, lies of human rights. And while certainly the West has a lot to answer for Ukrainians should not have to give up their country to Russia because of hypocrisy For gods sake right before the invasion Putin commented on the culture “clash” about JK Rowling.
I left Crimea on the day they shut down the airport in 2014. I got to New York and within hours people who had no knowledge at all of the situation were trying to tell me what should be done in absolute terms. It actually caused me up have a complete nervous breakdown. How can you be an expert without any experience or study? I'm basically a complete hermit at this point because I don't know how to interact in a world where everyone knows that they know things, with no inability to expand their understanding or listen to any criticism to their "expertise" at all.
I just became a complete misanthrope. And I sing Doris Day's Que Sera Sera to myself a lot 😊 really good noise cancelling headphones with a kick arse music collection helps too 👍now repeat this old joke phrase after me: Illegitimi non carborundum (Don’t let the bastards grind you down) 😁
And remember, wokeness and PC culture are the ultimate enemies, not war, poverty, disease, global warming, hunger, mental illness, addiction, suicide...
I can relate! My maternal grandmother was Crimean Tatar (the Soviet orcs deported her during the Sürgünlik 1944 when she was a child), so my mum has Crimean Tatar cousins who returned to Crimea in the 90's and started families there. When the Russian annexation happened in 2014, they fled. And when my mum and I tried to tell others here in Scandinavia (my mum lived in Sweden and I lived back then in Norway), everyone tried to "explain" to us that we were russophopic, separatists, jihadists and so on, and that "Crimea was actually Russian for 300 years". Even though I always explained that Russia has always taken Crimea by violent force and colonisation, they refused to listen. It caused us so much pain. As if the annexation wasn't painful enough (honestly, the annexation is still a traumatic amputation to all of us with Crimean Tatar heritage).
@@Tuzganaq hugs to you and your family. I truly can identify with your story though there are parts you can never really understand unless you've lived it. Crimea is an amazing place and the Crimean tatars are an amazing people. Your history belongs to you. It made me feel absolutely crazy when people were trying to rewrite my thoughts and memories and what I'd seen to something that fit their narrative. The truth is true just the same. It lives inside of you.
@@lori342 Big hugs to you. One day Crimea will be liberated. And when liberation comes, I hope we'll meet in one of the beaches with the Black Sea next to us. I hope we'll enjoy some juicy mantı, samsa or chebureki and warm glasses of çay. That day will insha'Allah come. Yaşasın Qırım! Слава Україні! 💙💛
As a Ukrainian, I’m so happy to find this video and the channel(s). I had been a big fan of JP up until the video about Ukraine. It was obvious, he was out of touch, yet sadly there was not a single comment that would question his take on the situation. The relationship between Russia and Ukraine has very long and complicated history. If you haven’t studied it, you will never fully understand this conflict and Russian hatred towards us.
@@VasilPoleganov I'd say that he became famous mainly due to him misrepresenting ideas and opinions so JBP being on the wrong side of an issue shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone at this point.
There is german military historian who does regular pieces on UA-cam about Russia's war against Ukraine. His name is Thorsten Heinrich and he actually adheres to exactly what Vlad is telling us about expertise: He stays in his lane and each time he is asked about something that is not in his field of expertise, he just states outright "I don't know". I think THAT alone gives this man a big chunk of credibility.
Torsten is also not hyper-optimistic about Ukraine and tells it as it is. It’s really begun to irritate me seeing certain content creators painting a rosey picture which downplays the severity of the situation Ukraine and we in the west are facing.
Peterson's insight into geo-politics and history of eastern Europe is non-existant but he is pompous enough to think he has something worth saying. Nonsense in its purest form.
But by placing himself into places outside his lane, he keeps relevent. Perhaps JP understands his popularity could be fleeting if he talks about the same thing all the time. By drawing in Ukraine and presenting it into his worldview he becomes relevent and keeps selling books and getting on TV.
Perhaps the narcissist in him is addicted to fame more than he is fearful. The thing about being a "guru" of a movement that roots its self in anger and resentment, is you have to keep fuelling that anger cause its really an exhausting being to be in a perpetual angry state?
I like how he's not there to do an info-dump upon anyone, and yes he does inform as a part of his process, but in action he's really trying to motivate people to think, think, think.
A very argumented, mature and, if I may say, tasteful take on Petersons preachings. A delight. Thank you! As a Russian speaking Latvian, on my personal experience I need to say that the “civil war in Eastern Europe” you were talking about has another - generational - dimension to it. I cannot argue about Russians in Russia (although I could speculate this is similar), but here in Latvia - the younger the Russians are - the more they are integrated into the “global West” - the more they support Ukraine and the Liberal camp. I would go as far as to say, that almost all youngest Russians (born after the collapse of the USSR) support Ukraine. The opposite is true for older generation. Russian seniors - vastly support or justify this war. This runs through almost every Russian family that I know where children and parents are now on the opposite sides. Including my own.
I am rather surprised (not having any familiarity with the situation in Latvia other than the basic history) that 'Russians' in Latvia, even old crusty ones, would feel free to favor the imperialistic line, given Latvia's rather vulnerable position, given geography and not-so-distant history. There must be a lot of tolerance for some potentially touchy opinions on the subject.
Putin is also one of the old crusty USSR Russians. I'm shure the younger generation in Russia has no problem with the West whatsoever. Probably the majority of Russians doesn't really believe the West is such a threat to Russia, but Putin is the absolute ruler and the majority of Russians still have the tendency to let themselves be led by an autocratic figure. Russia has never actually been a democracy. The 90's were just chaos and a trauma for the Russians who suddenly lost all security the USSR gave them and they recieved often abject poverty. Then Putin created stability in an autocratic way and it was a relief for them, the economy started to grow, something like law and order were established. They are afraid to drop the security that Putin gave them and they got used to. They are being misled and blindsighted. It probably took this war to get rid of Putin, I'm just afraid he will not go without a nuclear bang, or many of them. It does not seem like anybody around him has the guts to take him out. Similar as Hitlers last days. Only Hitler luckily didn't have nukes, unfortunately that is different now.
@@norflandanforevah Looks like Northern Ireland & perhaps Scotland are heading out too. This 'leave' stuff (and getting back into the EU) is contagious !
Even though russian propaganda often refers to Europe as "Gayrope" I don't feel that russian invasion have anything to do with the identity politics. JP's lecture felt painfully irrelevant and even absurd to me as a Ukrainian. Loved Vlad's point about the USA being a theat to russian imperialism, not to the country itself.
The Donbas/Crimea were just the most overt ‘acquiring’ of the whole of Ukraine at the time : this full war is grasping at the tendrils of his failed infection of Ukraine’s central government. Putin , by his actions, cares nothing for the Ukrainian people/culture. If successful, he’ll enslave/deport them & import Russians. Pol pot with nukes?
@@rhalfik There is no Russia as we know it without imperialism. But Russia is alot more than its imperialism. I don't think it's wise to deny a hundred million people nation just becuase of a bunch of jerks who happened to rule the country. Imagine what would we loose as a humanity if after WW2 Germany or Japan were denied and isolated from the rest of the world.
Yea, in fact there is a clear, anti-intellectual trend in the popular discourse. It's troubling. Maybe the trend towards casualness makes some people lose their bearings because they need the social signals of titles, a particular style of speech/accent or at least a corduroy jacket with some elbow patches to tell them what's what and whom they should be giving some respect to.
@@kristalkristal2506 good points. I see where internet culture has trended towards rewarding hyperbole and absolutism in a discussion or idea. Couple that with the ugly tribalism that has infected so many areas of our lives and any sort of nuance or humility is thrown out the window in the effort to "win"
Easy to think it is important to have a view about everything...staying in one's lane is a good idea. It is also OK to ask questions to expand one's knowledge base or clarify what someone else means.
Astonishing that JP rants on forever about Stalin and the Gulag, yet fails to see Putin for what he is - a vest-pocket Stalin. Not all that astonishing, though, considering that so much of his thinking is so bizarrely self-contradictory.
Hi Daniel. I look forward to Vlad's analysis but I look at JP in a slightly different way: what world view is he trying to defend? It seems to be a world view on which he seems to depend for his sense of self and that he takes criticisms as almost existential threats that are motivated by malign actors.
@@martifingers Agreed. From what little I’ve read, JP was raised in a very strict Calvinist church, then turned into an atheist, then started to feel existential unease about it all, and has been yo-yo-ing inside his own head trying to defend “tradition” as a necessity for ethics, or something like that. I have to feel sorry for the guy. I suspect he’s chronically depressed, highly neurotic, nearly humorless, and projecting his personal problems on society, and blaming the rest of us for all of it. He seems to resent atheists deeply for being mentally healthy and clear of mind without his permission. There doesn’t seem to be anything coherent about his world view. He went down the Jungian rabbit hole, then shifted to existentialism (which he doesn’t understand at all). He talks a lot about metaphysics, but can’t tell us whether he believes that a spirit world exists, because he doesn’t know. He should read some Bernard Williams, but he’d probably end up more confused then ever.
@@danielschaeffer1294 Thanks for the reply, Daniel. I am increasingly persuaded by the ideas of Terror Management Theory (interestingly JP is not a fan apparently!) The idea here is that beliefs, faith and cultural identification generally are unique human attempts to assuage the fear of mortality. It's more subtle than I can easily summarise but it does seem to me to account for a lot of what otherwise looks like irrational madness -Trumpism, conspiracy theories, the resurgence of the Evangelical Right etc. All seem based on a deep fear above all. Existential fear as you indicate. The trouble is given real world events (demographic changes, eco and economic crisis etc.) his experience may well echo with a lot of people.
I used to think the crazy American leftist take on Peterson was ridiculous and extreme. His slip of the tongue where he says ‘fourth Reich’ when talking about Nazi Germany, for example, I felt was just a slip, not a dog whistle to neo-Nazis, even though it’s probably one of the seminal dog whistles to use. When he made similar slips later on, I changed my mind. I then felt he was maybe ‘trolling’. However, over the years I have started to doubt this take as well, and wonder if maybe he might be as disingenuous as they say he is. His frankly weird statements about women, almost handmaid’s tale stuff, the company he keeps and the extremely opaque way he uses language, which when you make a concerted effort to understand can only be explained as either a fuddled mind, maybe from the benzos (although now that he’s clean that hasn’t changed) or language with a subtext for an audience in the know. I’m not sure which. Still, I have moved from ‘agreeing to disagree but maybe he has some good points’ to ‘this guy Is at the least a right wing grifter and possibly a Nazi adjacent intellectual’ in the vein of those that gave fascism intellectual legitimacy in the 1930s. His defence of Putin hasn’t allayed my concerns here.
I am 81 years old, now retired. After university and before retirement I spent nearly all of my energy solving narrow work related problems Still, I remained interested the many larger questions that had occupied my youth. Initially I was attracted (as I immagine a great many others are attracted) to well spoken folks who seemed confident about the larger mysteries that puzzled me. Early on, I was much impressed by bold self -confidence. Sometime in my mid thirties experience soured my awe of such performances. This happened when putative guides would touch upon areas of my own very narrow expertise. When that happened I discovered that they did not know what they were talking about. From those experiences I developed a heightened sensitivity to the smell of bull-shit. I wonder if there is a bit of Vlad's own disappointed awe underlying his commentary upon the work of Jordan Peterson, Noam Chomsky and Peter Zeihan, all three of which run my B.S. meter to 10.
Im English, living in Bulgaria. Im a socialist, Labour supporter and I never believed I was taken in by the posh confidant public school [private] buys. I thought I was rational and pragmatic. UNTILL I developed a circle of Bulgarian friends and a Bulgarian girlfriend who were oblivious to the accents. They listened to the words of a northern bricklayer with no filters and to the words of an Eton politician similarly. I would be taking XYZ guys seriously and they would burst out laughing at the idiot. Eventually, I became aware how amazingly ingrained in my culture it is to RESPECT a posh confident accent...
@@piccalillipit9211 Yes, sometimes it's markers of elite status that foster credibility. You Brits have clear markers of status in speech patterns. Here in the United States and Canada that's less of a factor. Over here we tend to be suckers for someone who speaks confidently, citing unfamilar "facts" or using an unfamiliar technical jargon.
@@RC-pg5sz - I cant totally see how confidence would carry disproportionate weight in the USA. But we English are indoctrinated from birth that a posh accent is to be believed, trusted and obeyed. Even if you grow up in a left-wing, anti monarchy, none establishemnt household. Its runs in the veins of every institution in the land. I can see it as clear as day now when 15 years ago I was oblivious to it. Interestingly the Scottish dont seem to suffer it, its the English.
I've noticed a relatively new phenomenon in behavior of American citizens. One frequently hears folks saying, "I feel like we don't need anymore Covid vaccines." Or, "I feel like Donald Trump desires what is in the citizens best interest." Implicit in the word "feel" they are actually claiming fact. Somehow personal feelings/beliefs are now acceptable placeholders for factual knowledge and expertise. A very important issue indeed. Thanks for dedicating a video to address it!
As an American this phenomenon triggers me to no end. People will express a viewpoint and are one question away from completely falling apart. Sometimes they even get upset and defensive. It’s no secret this behavior is everywhere online, but I have actually had this happen to me in a handful of face to face interactions from fully grown adults. They will speak with such conviction but as soon as you dig a bit, it’s clear they actually have no idea what they’re talking about.
People are allowed to feel like they don't need any more covid vaccines whether they are drs or not. My kids pediatrician just said he wished he didn't get it today.
People that listen to JP's politics should get their house built by ballerina, their schools staffed by hockey players and their food cooked by toddler to get the idea of professionalism and standards. It's like listening to artists for their advice on wearing masks during pandemic, absolutely worthless. I know that there is overlap with his expertise and politics, but god damn... he's in deep end.
You are listening to the comedian Klaunfuhreer of Ukraine so JP is less biased. I dont agree with JP in this one, but the double standard makes me sick.
@@kamaryyassine4832 "Clown" in German is "Clown" or "Kaspar", but Klaun doesn't exist and sounds mostly like the verb "klauen" which means stealing. Führer is written with only one e and an ü or ue if there's no ü on your keyboard. Also, Selenskyj isn't a clown, he's a comedian - Komiker in German - which is something wildly different, but he also has a law degree and freely chose to not persuade a carrier in that field. The whole argument of him being non-credible because he chose a carrier in entertaining people - something that is far beyond an easy task - is foolish and I personally would avoid it, because I'd feel like it would make me look stupid. The name-calling also suggests that you're heavily influenced by Russian propaganda discrediting the Ukrainian democratic election process.
Peterson has no more insight into Ukraine than I do so he should be posting alongside me in Vlad's comment section rather than abusing his platform to spout nonsense.
There is another Media of Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News, that is Sky News Australia. It is Propaganda for Trump. Some people appear regularly as face of the videos of this wannabe Australian UA-cam channel that always reports about America pro GOP, Trump shines brightly things, one is John Voight, one is Peterson. Another thing: Peterson was so concerned about the poor trucker protestors (terrorists actually). He is a very dubious guy in my eyes.
In addition to Vlad’s videos I just love reading the comments. Such a lovely community. I agree with you, I am always checking if a new video has come up and am delighted when it does.
Jordan Peterson is someone I really liked. When he was talking about psychology and meaning he was good. I bought his first book. Not the others. I am not into books with prescriptions and a number of "steps", etc. Lately he has been getting into things he does not know about, as you point out. He goes to people, usually one or two, to get some answers, and that is the answer. He limits himself that way. He is also not a problem solver, as far as these other areas go. Most issues we run into, either as individuals, or as companies, or nations, can be solved. It takes experience and expertise to do this. I look at his output lately, and it is a bit sad.
His ego like Chomsky and Putin is blown out of proportion. Additionally there might be some salesmen behind him pushing him to comment on everything to rise the sale of his books.
@@ConstructiveMinds100 I agree with what you say. It explains a lot. I think it is all salesmanship. I expect that he will lose support and interest. He has lost mine. Chomsky is interesting. I have heard his name for a long time, but really have no interest in him or his ideas. I usually like to understand all sides, but there are some people I don't find interesting. That's just me.
@@louisgiokas2206 I was exposed to Chomsky in Computer Science in college, and it does seem that he single-handedly invented entire fields of linguistics that are critical to programming languages. But his politics is trash. He should stick to linguistics.
@@rexsceleratorum1632 Interesting. I started working on computers in a scientific research lab in the early 1970s. Never heard of him. That does not mean he was not important. In looking him up I found that his contributions were in the 1950s, so that explains some of it. The concepts were firmly entrenched by then and seemed part of the background. I was even involved in some projects in that same decade and later that were developing new formal systems and languages.
yea, i hate how every time people critizise peterson, his fans bring up his decent books. yes, he was fine in his field but that doesn't change the fact that he pushes dangerous ideas and lies in other topics.
Exactly! In Italian they call this type of person a "tuttologo", an all-alogist; someone who thinks he's an expert on everything and who's everyday on TV or on youtube sharing his 'knowledge', mostly with the unknowledgeable masses, throwing some fuel on every fire that pops up.
We got a word like that in English - Tautology - probably has the same root as “tuttologo” presumably from Latin, I am thinking. It’s a good word, we should use it more often.
@@crivsmum4820 Google is just a search engine, it doesn't contain any information itself. I'd suggest the greater issue is people not being able to distinguish between good and bad sources. In any case, they're talking about Google translate, which is different to the search engine. How would you go about trying to translate a word if you wanted it done quickly and with relative accuracy?
Vlad, you are awesome! I have watched many of your videos about the Putin and Ukraine.... your voice talks about some of the scariest issues our world is facing. But your tone of voice is one of a kind dad telling his kids a bedtime story. Your videos are oddly soothing and unsettling at the same time. You clearly have a perspective that not many others could have, being of Ukrainian and Russian roots, and are also highly educated and have a great way with words in English. Thanks so much for your youtube channels! Also, nice piano!
I remember listening to a JP-lecture back in 2015 while doing some boring manual labour at the bar I used to work at back then. I wouldn't remember ever listening to him if he didn't "blew up" like he did. Of all the lectures I listend to while working in an empty concert venue, his was one of the most forgetable. It's baffeling how this men became an international "intellectual instance" that certain people ascribe an extraordinary intellectual value to. I had more impressive professors at my "middle of the pack"-hometown-uni...
Some people psychologically crave a father figure. Perhaps because their own fathers are absent. So a bearded guy telling them to clean their room does it for them. It's kind of pathetic.
Oh my gosh! I did not know that Putin attacked Ukraine because it is too woke! I m so glad Jordan Peterson can dumb down these complicated issues to a level we can grasp without having to think for ourselves.
A very insightful talk, Vlad. Thank-you. And a year on since the production of this video, it's even more clear to me now: few people need to speak with a (good) psychologist more than Dr. Jordan Peterson.
As a retired teacher, I have experienced students whom not only have never had the skills to acquire knowledge but also expect that it is someone else's responsibility to make knowledge an entertainment, almost as if their attention can only be drawn to titillation. There is a 'celebritisation' in education. A profound skepticism of de-centering their own experience and attending to alternative perspectives. Vlad, this is one of the reasons I value your productions is the reflexive critique of your own work and your sharing of your historical and political knowledge, that I have no knowledge of.
@@marshuswp3325 I am sure “whom” is even more preferable than “who”. I am not an English teacher, but isn’t it a more polite version of “who”, at least in this context? Please, correct me if I am wrong.
@@allazharduisenbek9936 "who" is correct here, preferably with a minor change in word order. "Whom" would be used with prepositions such as by, to, with, of, from. Even when "whom" is correct it is rarely used colloquialy. "Whom" is not a matter of politeness but of formal correctness.
I am not a teacher, but I agree with the sentiment in broader terms, it's how I see many adults behaving. One word you used: "Scepticism" upsets me, not because I think you misused it in any way, just that many people such as the students you describe, unknowingly and completely misapply scepticism in their own outlooks. What scepticism is and how to use it are very important aspects of education that I think should be addressed at a very early age and NEVER stopped. Because without that full investigation of it what you get instead is this postmodernist outlook that one can and should choose a preferred truth.
To that I will just say, a lot of us dont lack the skill to acquire knowledge, its just the practise of the teacher makes it nearly impossible for us to do so. Not every person works the same, not every persons brain is dumb, just because they cannot memorise random facts without broader connections. Or simply cannot keep attention, if you are not engaging to listen or do not make us understand, what makes the information important to us and how it applies to our lifes. A lot of us dont try to be "spoilt", its just the brain that simply works differently than the society idolises and promotes with their typical school system. Many years I wondered why me, despite reaching good grades and getting through university, suffered so much during school years. Why everything seemed to be much more work for me than for other kids around me. I felt like a failure, despite achieving everything society expected me to. I felt so dumb, because society "rewarded me" with some stupid degrees, despite me knowing, I would not be able to remember nearly anything the highschool taught me nowadays. Now I dont beat myself up anymore, I just know my brain needed a different approach. Attention deficit is nothing rare nowadays, its rather regular thing. And its not our fault. So sure, we can do our best effort, but until society makes also some effort to accomodate the fact, that some of us "need to be entertained" to let our potential show itself, we will still feel or be perceived as "incapable to learn" or "lazy".
I am delighted to have discovered your channels…another absolutely engaging discussion, Vlad. So much to say in terms of my appreciation for your insight and truly thoughtful commentary…Suffice to say, Thank you.
Russian propagandist: "THE UKRAINIAN BIOLABS ARE CREATING A VIRUS DESIGNED TO TARGET THE GENE OF THE RUSSIAN RACE BLA BLA BLA." You: "I don't know" I also like this channel, and Vlad Vexler makes some good points but he took an L on this one. It doesn't actualy work like that, if you refuse to talk about topics you don't know much about you simply ceede ground to those who also know even less then you but who will spew their bulls*** at aproximately 3 lies per second.
@@jakobc.2558 nobody said you can't talk about topics you don't know much about. rather you shouldn't talk with certainty of things that you don't know much about.
Vlad. Yes. I have lectured. Since 1997. Undergraduate and postgraduate. UK. Europe including Poland. Norway. More. Published, obviously not the name here. I didn’t want to be more of a public academic. Nine languages, the levels vary. The point? I feel qualified to say; I absolutely agree with you, utterly. I am extremely happy to have found you. I think that I know why you are assembling this carefully. Diffusing a mine can be a delicate operation. You have the toolkit to do it.
I don't have any formal education other than elementary school and I don't agree with Vlad on all that he says, however, I too agree with this video. I stopped watching JP because to me he comes across as arrogant, having an "expert" opinion on whatever people ask him about. I know my English ain't very good but then again it's one of the things I just picked up along the long and winding road that is my life (so far, I'm just 64).
I am glad you overcame your reluctance to deliver this. As an auto didact, I'm all too aware of my limitations, but I'm here to be informed, in order to understand and make better judgements. I watched JP's piece to camera last weekend and found it unsettling. There was condescension towards Ukraine, it might have been an unintended consequence, but nonetheless he focused on his cultural hobby horse and that struck me as inadequate. The visuals, spoke with the calculation of a TV network evangelist, I hope this is a temporary abhoration. Keep up the good work, I look forward to all your valuable contributions.
@@MrRocksW you sure? i've found that with these type of talking heads, their old stuff isn't much better if you scrutinize it as much as their new stuff, but its less noticeable as more then often they weren't as famous in the past (sargon of akkad is a notorious example of this).
I am a fan of JP’s university lectures, the whole thing with symbolism and the amount of research data he brought up to the public. But I am also deeply saddened seeing his slowly descend into madness, at least that’s how I see it (without any clinical authority so it is just my opinion). I think his message and methods changed when he started the Bible Series and everything imploded after his huge ordeal with wife’s cancer and his ssri addiction :( As for myself I am not experienced in Russia as Vlad, but know a little having lived between Moscow and Krasnoyarsk for a year, and half of my friends are modern Russians. So what JP is talking sounds absolute BS on this subject. Really sorry to see a former great mind go down like this :(
Perhaps a "Greta Mind", that has gone insane, might not have been so great to begin with. A great bridge tends to not collapse with a little bit of pressure and time, for example. Perhaps JP has simply gotten comfortable telling people what he really thinks.
I now doubt his expertise in psychology in general, and Jungian psychology. His lectures have been difficult to listen to anyway, but now I question whether he was truly a subject matter expert, or a charlatan the whole time.
Peterson is like Chat GPT, if you ask him a simple question he might give you a perfectly valid answer. But the moment you ask some really hard stuff, he will give a perfectly formulated and articulated complete-nonsens bs elaboration that sounds also perfectly valid on first glance but only if you don't dig deeper than an inch ...
I think the reluctance of people to acknowledge, “I don’t know” is one of the deepest flaws of our culture, perhaps our world. One who acknowledges, “I don’t know” can always study and learn. One who cannot say “I don’t know” is always in the position of having to cover his or her tush. We would do well to remember that Socrates’ wisdom was rooted in his awareness that he did not “know” anything.
this is a very good point. there's no shame in admitting when you don't know, or do not fully understand something. That condition can be corrected for. Otherwise, a person can end up sounding like Trump trying to answer a question about how he'd prioritize aspects of the US "nuclear triad" in his 2016 presidential primary debate.
I have some room in my heart and mind for early JP talks.... But since his episode with SSRI addiction and his "treatment" and now an even more damning tell is his joining of the Daily Wire.... his drift towards grift is undeniable. He cares about his image and making the most money possible. Unfortunately in the USA, saying purposefully inflammatory things and intentionally getting kicked off social media are highly profitable activities. His latest commercial for his new spot on the Daily Wire is just more confirmation of this. I never went to university so this is like...just my opinion, man...
I think Jordan Peterson has actually lost his mind.. He sounds like an AI text to speech version of himself and isn't engaging at all honestly with his latest videos. He isn't a philosopher nor a political expert and yet is treated like both.. but that's where the money and popularity is at these days
He's got autoimmune disorders and is on fanatical diets to curb them. I'd say at the core of his issues are psychological. Bizarrely he is acting out precisely what he has warned against, being emotive and unbalanced. He's adopted Jung's theses without understanding them fully nor understanding the limits and weaknesses of Jung's approach. This applies to all his thinking which zig zags around and fails to use academic rigour. He warns about demagogues and then does a bang-up impression of being one himself, albeit only with a crowd of internet followers. At best he's an angry flake.
@@deborahcurtis1385 so he’s fanatical about his diet too, that doesn’t surprise me. JP is a very insecure and angry man, in my opinion. The way he talks sound like he’s at war with his own psyche and is spitting out his angry, incoherent and toxic substance to the world. I see that as being dangerous.
@@deborahcurtis1385 Like I said, he *claims* to have "auto immune" disorders, but we don't know that his claims are *true.* We don't have a doctor verifying it, or any more details about it. In other medical "news" he also claims he went 25 days in one month without any sleep whatsoever, and attributes it to some apple cider he drank. I agree his public performance shows him to be an "angry flake" and I don't see any good reason to believe claims like this that he has made about things we have no way of verifying.
I have a simple philosophy: If I haven't lived in a country for at least one year, then I will not even dare to make statements about anything substantial. And even then I still prefix it with "From what I experienced". Even then it would just be tentative statements, I have lived in Belarus for a year over 5 years ago and I still learn new stuff now that makes me see many experiences I have made in different ways. It is crazy how so many people assume they know everything about another place for no particular reason or because they were there on holiday once. This works both ways of course, one of my most vivid memories of Belarus is so many people lecturing me about the European Union (don't get me started on them seeing it as one big country), flat out telling me that I am wrong, because they traveled some capitals by bus in a week. They were so adamant on some things that I even started doubting my memories, especially as I moved around a lot and haven't been really living in my home country for over ten years now. The power of somebody who just loudly and adamantly enough claims something is not to be underestimated. Sadly often drowning the less confident voices of people that know better, but also know they are no experts and don't dare to act as confidently in their rebuttal. I would not even dare to make such confident statements about my homecountry than Peterson does about Russia and Ukraine.
I'd add speaking the language to that. I've met plenty of expats who have been living in certain countries for years, in their little expat and online bubble, and know nothing about local culture, mentality and language.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning True, even if they know the language, expats are often a special breed out of touch not only with their native homecountry's circumstances but also not fully understanding the culture in their new home. They often feel like they know both perfectly though. That was actually what made me very sceptical of Vlad at the start, because I've met too many Russian expats who did not even make lots of sense to my limited knowledge of Russia. One should not forget that expats often are the (very) rich from a country, not really having an unbiased but sheltered view on events in their home country. I've had Russian friends who seriously said that Russia is on the same level as Western Europe, because they lived in one of the few big cities where that was the case. Really thinking that most Russians live that way. So mad respect for Vlad to actually keep up with events that well.
"Democracy is tethered to the practiced virtue of truthfulness." In that simple statement eloquence meets profundity . 🤯💥mind blowing That was beautifully done Vlad. Thank you for sharing your genius with us. May i say if all this was between the covers of some University text book very few of us would get to hear your voice. Thank you for making your gifts available to the rest of us 'web crawlers'.
Yes this quote about democracy is profound....It actually is what is missing now more and more! There seems to be almost no one you can believe any more, & even goes far beyond politicians.....We desperately need more truth, more transparency in our governments, health care systems, & personal lives! There is absolutely no security, no acceptable way forward without truth!
Good on ya', Vlad! ( as the Aussies say ) We salute you for taking this head on! You could have have demurred. It's to your everlasting credit that you didn't flinch in the face of a "celebrity thinker" taking on something perhaps beyond his ken. This is how we learn. I squirm when JP wanders into theology. It's not his bailiwick, and it shows.
Thank you Gerald. Look forward to directly commenting on JP in the future. This had the potential for a viral video, if edited and put on the main channel. But I just didn't want to go there. I felt it may have inflated our community, but not in a healthy way at this stage.
@@VladVexlerChat Vlad, That, in my opinion, was the right decision. After all, a little humility goes a long way to further the cause of productive dialogue and even reconciliation of divergent viewpoints.
So the Dunning-Kruger effect exists among "Experts" too, although I often think it is a masculine thing too. Peterson sometimes will admit he's just talking on the top of his head when asked a question, which is good in a "brain storming" session among people with divergent knowledge who can offer push back, but BAD when you're positioning yourself as a "professor" who is not in a position to have anyone immediately available to challenge his assumptions and blind spots.
Predominantly among experts. The original Dunning-Krueger concept was that experts in one area apply their over-confident expertise to another area (possibly one with superficial similarities but key difference)
@@CaligulavVv It would seem we're all vulnerable, so unsure if the label is dressing-down or a warning about the hubris of self-confidence. Probably no one can handle 2.8 million followers well. And if your followers WANT to to be a guru, how do you turn down that grandiosity. It seems better to idolize dead people, if you must, people who will not be harmed by your projective numinousity.
I just.saw a video from JP from 7 years ago where he was teaching.some students about the nature of the Soviet Union - Stalins terror, gulag, the huge numbers killed etc. His take was that it was shocking that so.many people were ignorant. Now he gone to a position of partly excusing the invasion. Extraordinary.
Hi Vlad, I hope your having a real good week, I have a spinal cord injury & blood clots in both of my lungs, so I know the struggles in & out of our bodies. I stay positive as I can, but find I'm not as positive as I think am. Pain overwhelms me now that I'm in my 60s. Thank you for my sanity. Phil from Boston Ma
As a Russian being inside Russia can confirm that a civil war is almost real (it's just not a real war): between people and the government between people and people (with different positions), between even members of the same family. Me and dozens of my friends have really hard time talking to the parents (which are mostly pro-war) some even stopped talking with them.
@@negy2570 mostly because they watch TV or use yandex for their web search (where the news are carefully crafted by the state and explains why the war is the right thing to do) and don't question anything. Some of them are just happy with the fact Russia is breaking rules and doing whatever it wants to do and no one can do anything with that. Some of them are just happy someone (Ukranians) now are having more crappy live then them. TV gives you plenty of good justifications to pick up, people select the one which suits them best. Initially, my parents believed in denazification, then they believed Ukraine should belong to Russia, last time I spoke they considered the war as a mistake (but since Russia started it must win), haven't spoken with them for a couple months on that maybe something changed. The most insane versions from people I know: Europe has no free space left and that's why Europe is attacking Russia to get its territories (and Russia is fighting back). The most broad answer on "Why" - for Russia's and Ukraine's good. Given the presupposition imprinted within Russian culture "we Russians are great Russians and we know how Ukranians (not so great Russians) should live their life for their and our good". That's why everything bad about Ukraine from TV is taken without question.
@@andrewzhukov304 wow Thank you so much for caring to answer to my comment in such an exhaustive way. It all makes sense, unfortunately. I see patterns of thinking and behaviour of older generations everywhere and concerning just any matter. Indeed it is divisive for families and they seem not to care.
@@willek1335 well, little portion of war supporters get skeptical, generally almost nothing have changed. People mostly stays on their positions taken on 24th 2022. In my view people stopped talking about the war, cause now it's dangerous - you may be reported and punished for taking anti-war stance. Civil war is latent, there is 3 forces: the Putin regime, anti-war people and full-nazi-use-nukes people. However surprisingly very little people want to go to the war (even among nazis - it's better to be nazi in front of Putins TV) - almost any supporter I met on my suggestion to go to war is telling me "I will come if they call me" (with a great hope it will never happen).
Jordan Peterson is a cautionary tale for all of us. Vlad, be careful - I mean this with respect, amity, and genuine care about you personally. I've seen many friends and family, who, when confronted with or in proximity to long term illness, descend into extreme ideology - left, right, or otherwise. I think JP was already headed down the rabbit hole long ago.
I find JP a sad story. At the beginning, he had many interesting points and seemed genuinely concerned with truth and its pursuit. He seemed ready to accept criticism, and even to recognize he was wrong if it could be proved with reasonable arguments that he was. Now... it seems his own disease has taken its toll, and his claims have become more and more distant from reality. I look at him and see someone who is suffering and transfering this suffering onto others -- it's all the fault of "cultural marxism"!... I say "it's sad" in the truest sense of the word: I wished it weren't so, I wished his life were such that he could make better and more accurate observations about the world around him. Alas, as time goes by, this seems to be less and less the case.
Vlad has been dealing with chronic illness for almost 20 years. If he hast fallen into extremism yet due to illness, I don’t think he will. Also, I think at this point the depth he has in his soul, combined with the knowledge he has and the awareness he has about limitations we have as human beings, including himself, pretty much prevents him to fall into that rabbit hole. If he does, he has people like you, me and others to remind him of that danger. 😉
Vlad descending into extreme ideology? Well thankfully he is nowhere there yet. Just let me know when he is there and I will make a point to cancel him. Thanks for the warning.
@@Asehpe Agreed Asehpe. It's really sad. He could've rallied people around Ukraine's fight for Western values but instead feel the need to have his own stupid take on it just to be unique.
Glad to see more pushback on JBP. Dude's lectures rooted in his practice have been good, but the second he stepped off that train and started going into free speech and politics he's been more ideologically driven.
Well his predictions on the free speech topic were pretty much spot on. What is politics if its not ideology. The idea that man can rule over man without becoming hijacked by corruption has yet to be witnessed. The world has never been smaller and people never had access to information so readily available yet as a whole we seem to be moving backwards
@@independentinstallations8419 on free speech, JBP speaks from the 20th century, where individuals make statements in a public sphere that come directly from their independent consciousness and rationalization. They can be questioned, and they can be held accountable for what they say in that space, and their minds can be changed through conversation. In the 21st century, we have coordinated media ecosystems that will shout the same slogans and talking points from radio to social media, bots (or multiple accounts) that act like a choir even when few or no human beings share that idea, and economic dynamics where money and power and access can influence who is seen and heard. JBP talks like free speech is an even playing ground in the 21st century, as though we are all standing in a public square. Yes, he does that, but many of the people and groups he speaks on behalf of are not individuals standing their ground, saying things that they are willing to take responsibility for. And those groups and people need to be held accountable for what they say.
@@nenickvu8807 So you're saying because certain groups aren't held accountable for what they say we need the governments help to make it fair? I believe fully in taking responsibility for impact of our words. If you're going to speak out against someone then be prepared to back it up. That is where it should end though is between those 2 people unless there is accusations being made of criminal behavior. There is a lack of resilience in the younger generations which is driving much of this issue. Thin skin easily offended by the words of a stranger.
@@independentinstallations8419 younger generations? You do understand that the "don't say gay", and book banning folks are christian conservatives, who JBP would gladly support their "right to free speech?" You have to understand that JBP's free speech rhetoric is being used as a means for groups already in power to reinforce their hate speech and even create...wait for it....anti free speech legislation. Laws can be used to protect ideas and people and lifestyles, especially new ones or ones with few people, while the establishment can use laws to crush and stifle them. Why doesn't JBP fight the don't say gay law? It's very nature is anti free speech. In fact, where do you stand on that law?
JP was someone I admired ardently. He expressed his views on freedom of expression and society so genuinely it was hard to disagree. His vilification from people who never heard him speak cemented my view on “the left” from 2015-2017. He was such an important figure along with all the other mouthpieces from that time (Shapiro, Milo (though I never agreed with him), among others, now Tucker and his others). This rightward shift of many previously apathetic members of society created a following of Trump and conservatism which was up to that point struggling through Bush and Obama. JP and many on the right now hold the views expressed by him, namely: A culture war is waging and the right must resist this. While Peterson certainly is a rational person he has become a reactionary from 2017 onward. You can see his demeanor become less genuine and more disgusted. He became more serious and moody, his talks were always underscored by this vibe. His mental state also diminished during this time as he opened up about this on his channel especially during his hiatus. However, now he is back and more opinionated than ever. Less so an intellectual who was a target of the mob and now an unconscious asset of Putin’s hegemonic strategy. JP claims to be defending the west yet, through his “defense”, he is actually doing so much to underscore what we call western values. He is willing to sacrifice the bedrock of liberty in order to spite the left. He is not an intellectual anymore, he is a talking head with a following, which can only be resisted through spirited debate and an analytical mind.
The mere mention of Tucker puts me a bad mood. He's an absolute blowhole. I can't think of anyone more disingenuous. JP has always been a mixed bag for me. Some things he's said (prior to his medicinal issues) really rang true to me, other things he said seemed to be an attempt at convincing atheists to act like Christians even if they don't believe in God. After his breakdown, he's become a demagogue. Like you said, simply spiteful towards those who labeled him as far-right. As if he decided "Oh, you think I'm far-right? I guess I'll have to prove you right.".
He seems to be using what we call the Socratic method, a sort of philosophical midwifery. But he’s slick, he makes leaps and generalizations. Respice finem.
It reminds me a lot of past gurus I have disliked, and will probably not be the last guru I mock. I had a look at the jungian chaos charts and the very wordy explanations that seemed to abruptly stop.
Imagine someone dedicating their whole life in a subject ,years of study , University time, research papers , years of teaching and learning about the subject and finally being an expert in a particular subject and we have a guy who comes up with "well in my opinion " .
As someone who spent 12 years in university, I have about as much respect for scholarship and the dedication to scholarship as anyone I know. However, I have learned to also respect the observations of the less educated. The privilege of having had the resources to devote to learning, should not impart arrogance but, if we learned anything, humility. I admit that humility has not given me patience for the opinions of the who I see as repeating hateful lies, but that's nothing to be proud of since there are more useful ways to respond to any comment...jt
One thing I learned from my 4 years of university on a subject is that I have no idea of anything about that subject. I learned to shut up in university, if that makes any sense. Seeing people who have no experience on the subject talking like they know stuff is therefore a mystery. Vlad explains it quite well.
To a certain extent, it is necessary to be able to tell an authority you disagree with him, even if you have very inferior knowledge. Because authorities can have their own biases, they can get things wrong that can affect you, and they're subjects to fads. I dont think most experts predicted the 2007 crash, for example. There is the current controversy about trans issues, redefining what man and women mean, and before that there were scandals like lobotomy, and iirc, stuff like overreaction to cholesterol, with statins medication.
I've got a hard time to take anything what Jordan Peterson says serious. To me he is mainly driven by three things: 1. how can I make money. 2. how can I build my own legacy. 3. and how can I fight criticism. his contributions are dictated by this. also his unhealthy relationship with social media (especially twitter) has blinded him. Is there any other intellectual with a similar twitter history? and then his stunt to get suspended from the platform, where he pretends he don't know what got him 'in trouble' only to make a video of it, know one can convince me that this wasn't deliberate. and regarding his Ukraine video: his "But... but... but..." was most likely just that he lost where he was on his manuscript and not because the next 'thing' is that important. hope I made mayself clear, english is not my first language.
Oh, you do it well. I think you write better than a lot of native speakers do, these days. This "know", should be "no", though: "only to make a video of it, know one can convince me that this wasn't deliberate." English is only deceptively simple, and we actually have a much lower grade level for reading compared to the French, German, Spanish, etc young kids. It's because of our horribly inconsistent orthography and all the homophones. I am tempted to look up and learn about the Jordan Peterson twitter drama, but then again, it will probably just piss me off :/
No you do not . You are not criticizing his arguments. Saying that he is doing it to make money or to leave a legacy are completely worthless unless you can produce evidence to back them up and even then they do not deal with what Peterson actually says. It is not your lack of English which is letting you down.
@@tincoffin "You are not criticizing his arguments." Of course not, that was never my intent, I'am dismissing Peterson entirely, all I see is a performance. "...unless you can produce evidence to back them up" that are my impression of him, how can I have evidence. every video is heavily monetize, his over charging for live tickets, he was promoting his Patreon all the time until they kicked him of (as far as I remember) and more all while he had a normal job. could go on here but I see no point in it, you can dismiss that all with one sentence of course. ...also that the "culture war" has something to do with what happens in Ukraine is mental, I never want to get in that discussion.
Sören Kierkegaard once observed that "We only understand life backwards, but we must live it forwards." A more pithy version of this is the maxim "Hindsight is 20-20." The war in Ukraine, and the identity politics phenomenon, both very real and extremely confusing to navigate as we plod forward, make me grateful for thinkers like Vlad Vexler. He doesn't pretend to have all the answers, but his intellectual approach to finding them is so genuine, so engaging, and so thoroughly enjoyable that a person must must just sit down, listen, and ponder again and again what he is saying. In Dante's "Inferno", the perplexed Pilgrim has no idea what is around the next corner ( or in the next circle ); he is living hell forward. He needs a guide to try to help him make sense of it all. We all need our Virgils. Vlad, you are one such. We are grateful.
Thank you Gerald. I can see that a certain proportion of my UA-cam community does not believe that hyper identity politics is real and a problem. I look forward to talking about directly in the future. I regard it as a top 5 and perhaps top 3 threat to western democracy. This position should be available to one whatever one’s political views. That this problem is most visibly problematised by self indulgent intellectual entrepreneurs doesn’t help.
@@VladVexlerChat Vlad, "identity politics" is real to the extent that it is used to hurt real people. It is a crude tool of propaganda that, like a broad sword, cuts both ways. I understand that, from the perspective of Hitchcocks's crane, it looks like proles mud-wrestling, but for those of us who chose to live close to the targets of the recurrent use of this "political technology" it takes on a different meaning... a sort of honorable futility - one that is very frustrating. One knows that battle on that level makes no sense politically - the optics almost always suck - but to abandon it leaves the defenseless undefended. For more than 20 years I did & directed street outreach to drug users (in the US; in Latin America; in Eastern Europe, including Moscow and in a modified way in Africa). After 23 years of public health work, I moved to the South of France and resumed the quiet life of a poet and photographer, exhausted from the daily struggle that is part of the resistance to public prejudice marshalled by "culture war" propaganda. These are battles that involve the spilling of the blood of real people - FYI: not mine, I was privileged before I started & when I left - but the lives of working people who are hunted, to implement the fantasies of those who seek to divide us politically. Drug users, LGB, Transgender, Muslims in India, Jews in Egypt or..., Palestinians in Israel, women, witches, Uyghurs, albinos, Tutsis, freethinkers, scientists... whatever the color code of the week is that gives bullies a green light to attack the vulnerable, as frustrating as it is to do it, I still hold that it is essential to defend those targeted by the political tool of weaponized hate speech. If we break solidarity with the excluded, we are left with nothing to build the foundation for the future for a more stable future. Hope is a virtue; optimism is an attitude. I have more optimism than hope. ...jt Thank you for you thoughtful analysis of ... everything...jt
Just discovered your channel and subscribed. You seem to really bring insight and clarity to what’s going on in Ukraine. Thanks for that! I admit I was totally on the Jordan Peterson bandwagon a few years ago. The whole transgender movement seemed really new and confusing, with the pronouns at the time, I’m actually liberal/left leaning on economic/fiscal issues, but moderate on the social issues. I’m against bigotry, but I’m also cautious and prone to drawing a line and putting my foot down on shouldering the burden of social problems just because I’m a straight, white make so get it. I feel like I only have so much energy to devote to thinking about issues that specifically affect women, people of color, and lgbt folks, because the more universal issues of class, economics, war/foreign policy, and the environment consume my focus - so yeah I totally understand getting turned on to Peterson at least at first. But lately he’s just lost the plot. I’ve made my peace with the various social movements, BLM, the trans movement, #metoo, are not asking for a blood sacrifice from my white male body or anything of that. They’re just expressing their experiences. It’s not a threat to my autonomy. As I’ve moved past all that - I’ve started to see Peterson and others as grifters who are looking to cash in on grievances and frustrations.
I am annoyed by woke cancel culture progressives as much as the next guy but to bring that up when Ukraine is being systematically bombed, citizens murdered, and their sovereignty stolen from them is insane. JP might be losing his mind.
I'm trans and used to listen to Peterson, I was pretty tired of the lgbt my way or the highway kind of thinking. He's speaking way over his head here. I guess we all need to think for ourselves and not follow groups or people blindly in a cult mindset.
Just because Peterson went crazy, doesn't mean wokeness is fine. Transgenders have nthing to do with pronouns nonsense. A real transwoman doesn't need demand to call her "she" because everyone would her that anyway.
Vlad, I am so glad you did this video. First - I have been a great admirer of Jordan Peterson for the past couple of years. There is a lot I chose to like about him. Then he did that Piers Morgan interview and my admiration bubble started to deflate. My issue with Jordan became that he is better sticking to psychology analysis and to be more careful make remarks about war progress and the powers of the leading participants. Jordan appears to me to be oblivious to *some* the issues underpinning Putin's ambitions. The control of energy and the money it earns. Putin's ability to block energy exploitation by the countries around Russia such as around the Caspian Basin. Putin's outright desire to block Ukrainian access to the large gas & oil reserves under the Donbas and around the Crimea. And that Russia's economy is indeed teetering on the brink of a major downward slide. These are just a *few* issues I have with Jordan's over simplification of the war. Thanks for your insights
I have watched a lot of Petterson's old lectures and will be forever grateful to him for introducing me to Nietzsche, Jung and Dostoevsky, but at this point it looks like he is more interested in making money off his ideas than anything else.
I think he's a bit unhinged TBH. The academic Bernard Schiff who hired him at Toronto University has written a mea culpa published 2018 explaining how his lapse in judgement (and friendship with Peterson which later soured) has had a colossal negative impact on the social and academic discourse. It's well worth catching up on do a search I-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous It's now subscriber-locked but here's an interview with Schiff, who says Peterson is surrounding himself with angry people, and he doesn't have academic rigour, he distorts science for instance. Further he's a self-styled martyr and self-styled saviour. He's encouraging misogyny, homophobia and nastiness. He's attacked the academic world and encouraged emotional reactions rather than considered rigorous thought. There's also an interview with Schiff about his book, backing his criticisms of Petersen. Why Petersen he be any different on the issue of Ukraine?
Peterson has gone all religious, but whether that is because of his mental/emotional deterioration or the other way around... not sure. But I'm definitely not following him now except for some of his interviews.
I am an electrical engineer and I listened to a discussion on energy policy by Jorden Peterson. Same problem. His opinions were painfully naive and wildly out of date.
He gets on interesting people then just spouts off his usual talking points for 80% of the interview. Why not ask your guest a question, rather than use a question to make the same statement you make every week? Frustrating.
Thank you for making this Video I've been waiting for something like this. Because JP is a psychologist, not a climate scientist or a philosopher nor a geopolitical analyst. And I think that he' s a victim of his own success. He now thinks that He knows everything better in every field . And the result is He tries to be a climate scientist (who thinks that climate Change is totaly natural And humanity has nothing to do with it, drawing his "knowledge" on studies financed by oil and gas companies) same often applies to what he talks about regarding philosophy and especially geopolitics. Pls Mr Peterson just be a psychologist thats the only field youre a cirtified expert in. Also thinking russia is part of western civilization and that every american problem is autmatically a world problem is just unebelievable ignorant in my opinion.
Having studied the subject he's not even good in Pyschology. His bosses describe him as having a tendency to make bullshit up, and most of what he does say is outdated psychology (such as Jung), and barebones self help advice. On the latter end he's just a different framing of the same philosophies of Goop
To paraphrase, 'to demand a world without destructive speech is to demand a world without human beings.' Vexler's somewhat longer statement is a brilliantly rich defense of free speech.
To my mind, explaining away Ukraine's fight for survival and independence as anything less than that is just plain disgusting. People are risking everything for liberty. That deserves applause and aid. The West was excited at first by Ukraine's heroism, but the thrill wore off and now that basic struggle is brushed aside as pundits look for ways to disengage. Yes, it is painful to watch a nationcide, so look away and call it intelligent discourse. Humph. Additionally, the other countries in Eastern Europe who are aware of Russia's imperialism - they are the experts too. I meet immigrants from Eastern Europe where I live and what they say is very simple and miles away from the smart alecks on the right.
You do not have all the facts. Russia was provoked. How do you think the USA would react if in Canada they were building weapons of mass destruction which would target the DNA of Americans?? That is what happened in Ukraine. My family is ethnically Ukrainian going back generations, however I was born in Canada. I do NOT support this war and the only people who are losing are the local people with whom I do have friends and family living there. I would do exactly what Putin did to protect Russia from the attack. The current President of Ukraine is literally an actor and a puppet of the USA CIA/deep state. These are the same people that assassinated JFK. They were also involved in a recent sandal where these people were investigated for pedophilia, child pornography, child sex trafficking for the purpose of Satanic ritual abuse. These are really evil people and you should not trust them. They are also tried to Jerry Epstein, Gisselle Maxell and also Disney's child pedophilia grooming. There was but one arrest but then it was all shut down due to "national security". On a much deeper level this war is a contest between Putin's Russia and Jacob Rothchild in England and also the Rockefellers in the USA for control of Homogamy in that sphere of the world. These people control the legacy corporate media. Unless you find alternative media sources you are going to swallow the narrative that they are feeding you.
They might be now that Russia invaded the country. But this whole war started long before Putin invaded Ukraine en mass and sent the people in kiev running for the air raid shelters. Ask the people in the Donbas how many years they have been using air raid shelters.
They are not risking it for liberty at all, they are now fighting for their lives because they were ready willing and able to try and oppress an ethnic minority. The problem was that ethnic minority had some powerful friends just across the border who were not willing to watch as their own people were being murdered in their own homes. In a free and democratic society the people should have the right to choose their own government. The voter turnout of the Donbas, which is a matter of public record, make their dissatisfaction with the present far right aligned government. If you doubt they are aligned with the far right then just look at wikipedia and see who paid for his political campaign. They wouldnt back him if he wasnt what you think he isnt.
@@BigChiefWiggles They outlawed all opposition political parties. The CIA/Deep State Puppet now can not be overthrown politically. The only option now is by force!! There are a lot of arm chair quarterbacks that need to get their information from other sources than the legacy MSM.
You comment proves you know NOTHING about Noam Chomsky and unlike Jordan Peterson Mr Chomsky IS an expert on a whole host of subjects, so much so that he has written enough books to fill a library and who has NEVER had a knee-jerk reaction in his life, but on the contrary ALWAYS relates calmly his widely knowledgable opinions with verifiable facts in great detail. Where JP just pushes peoples buttons to get a lot of Pavlov's dogs to bounce their heads up and down like a bobble doll by appealing to their ignorance and biases preventing and protecting the terminally LAZY from thinking for themselves!! Kinda like YOU!!
@@amichaelthomas83 While Chomsky is egregiously wrong on Ukraine, he's not talking outside his lane. Chomsky is a life-long student and analyst of modern US history in the geopolitical context. You may not like his take, but he has more knowledge of the vast detail of US foreign affairs than almost anyone alive. Unfortunately, his paradigm of excessive US manipulation of world affairs has led him to an erroneous ascription of US responsibility for this invasion.
@@donnievance1942 The US directly "invested" $300 million in helping topple Volodymyr (the Russian friendly Ukrainian President) - the US has become the very thing it sought itself to not be. An empire builder. Except they do it in different manners. The US interfered, scared the Russians who in turn (wrongly) invaded. Sadly.
Your video's are fantastic man. I implore you to keep them going because I only see this growing and growing. The quality speaks for itself and you're an excellent teacher.
Very good video, thank you. I feel reminded of Richard David Precht here in DE right now. He is a philosopher and author and has very, very firm opinions on anything from climate change to culture wars and of course Ukraine. Of course, he would never admit to them being opinions. While he is more on the left, he is strongly in the camp "Ukraine can never win this war and must surrender immediately to minimize the suffering because of the war". And of course, despite being on TV constantly on everything, he now wrote a book about how the media suppresses his voice. And goes even more on TV to market his book about being suppressed....
Yes, I thank you for all these insights especially explaining why a US audience is captured by rhetoric like that of Jordan Peterson, about the increasing unwillingness of people to want life long learning instead of constantly viewing self as the one with all the answers, & comments about narcissism/self importance of certain countries.
I find myself agreeing emphatically with some of what Jordan Peterson says and finding other things he says total nonsense. That is frustrating and makes things harder but somehow makes me think it's the right position. In this instance, it's obviously insane to think that Putin is invading because of identity politics.
He's the Goebbels of the modern right. Adds just enough truth to lies to make them pass. At least he used to, because now he's unhinged and he no longer cares about euphemisms and just "tells it like it is". Welcome to the honest JP. There are people who saw right through his grift straight ahead. It was subtle, but they're my compass now when it comes to subtle fascist messaging.
I think Vlad gave us a clue as to why that is in this video when he said that experts in one field should have the humility to admit that they don't know the answer when the question at hand is outside their field. Peterson is a good clinical psychologist and he makes a lot of sense when he speaks about the human psyche. Any other topic and Jordan talks out of his ass.
@@13tuyuti i would squint harder on jordan peterson if i were you, ask any psychologist about him and you'll learn he has never been a recognized figure in the field of psychology at all
@@sperzieb00n well, he was given a job as a university professor. I can't tell if his research is considered important but at least he is an actual psychologist. On matters of psychology I have found him enlightening on occasion. On matters of politics he says stuff that is so ignorant that I don't believe that he actually believes them.
That's such a brilliant take on JPs stuff on Ukraine. I'm so tired of this American exeptionalism in Noam Chomsky, Mersheimer, Jordan Peterson etc. So many brilliant people who do well in their respective areas of expertise are completely out of depth here and became useful idiots of Putin's propaganda 😑 Well done commentary sir!
Thank you for working on a long-form JP video! I have been thinking about him due to the extreme irrationality and hatefulness of the things he’s been saying recently.
"I DO NOT KNOW." As someone who trained public health outreach workers for over 20 years, I see those four words as the first lesson & in the end the most important lesson learned by all who work in public health. In medical terms it constitutes the standing-on-one-leg version of the oath that commands us FIRST, DO NO HARM. In Moscow, in the mid 1990s, I remember pulling up to the curb in front of a bakery, to buy loaves of bread from an old woman standing in snow or slush (depending on the day) in a too thin coat and down-at-heel boots, so she could earn a few kopeks delivering bread from the bakery 20 steps away. Since I did not go to Russia to get rich, that recurrent experience formed the image of my poetic incite into the collapse of the Russian economy, or, more precisely I think, the acknowledgement that the SOVIET economy had long collapsed and this was the time of vultures.
Noam Chomsky is the same as Peterson. Its why I really like Normal Finkelstein. He is an expert in Israel-Palestine but doesnt feel the need to weigh in on every other conflict on Earth. Chomsky does and with no ambiguity or understanding of the people or actors and what they think.
Chomsky's entire ideology boils down to, "America bad", and therefore conversely everything and everyone against America is not as bad. It's fucking exhausting.
I can't believe I watched all 45 minutes! Thank you. I wondered a bit about your talk of expertise, because I considered Mearsheimer and Chomsky experts, and sided with them until I reached out to my friend in Lithuania, and heard Slavoj Zizek speak in the opposite direction. I will never be an expert, but I got some experience singing the Orthodox liturgy in a choir at a Patriarchal Church in SF. I was so ecstatic singing my part in the four part harmony that I went and spoke to the priest about converting. I changed my mind when I saw how narrow-minded he was. I went to the Soviet Union in 1975, but was disillusioned. I guess you could say I have a love/hate relationship with Russia! I guess they should stick to their expertise in Classical Music, Opera, Ballet, Literature. They're not so expert at politics and governing! Anyway, thanks for helping me sort through my confusion over what to make of this situation!
Thank you so much for sharing this. I think Re JM we can say that he is certainly an expert in international relations theory. But he is victimized by his own expertise, which invited him to normalise Russia’s conduct without analysing it close up.
As a person who has watched numerous friends and relatives: - Be told the best course of treatment for their knee pain, back pain, or shoulder pain, was a corticosteroid injection, without being told the injection would both lead to elevated risk of joint degradation and prohibit prompt surgeries... - Be told cardiac ablation was the best course of treatment for heart palpitations without consideration of electrolytes... - Be told an asymmetrically abnormally cold hand and arm, coupled with serious pain, was "just Reynaud's," only to end up in emergency surgery for a major arterial blood clot days later... - Be told to go home and get some rest, you'll be fine, when she had fractured vertebrae... - Be taken off heparin unilaterally by a nurse in an ICU setting because of minor superficial controlled bleeding, without consideration for that blood clot in the inferior vena cava... ... Along with too many more such instances to name, I find it difficult to simply respect or defer to "the experts." Certainly there are discussions to be had, and certainly there are a preponderance of the uneducated who are serenely confident in their opinions, but in the medical field in particular, there are an appalling number of mistakes, and unacknowledged conflicts of interest, and unnecessary or preventable instances of harm, all of which should have some reasonable means of accountability and recourse, and all of which reasonably and legitimately contribute to an environment of mistrust of health care professionals.
I've been following Peterson for many years, and I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. He has tremendous value as a public figure when it comes to his expertise (Clinical Psychology). There were many people who needed to hear what he had to say, and his words have helped many people (including myself in some respects). That's why it disappoints me to hear his take on this war, for many of the reasons you outlined. Sometimes people get too focused on what they see as issues and project it larger than it has to be. Also, I'm glad I found your channel. I like the way you think, and how much respect you give to topics. Even when it contradicts my perspectives, its always done with class and a lot of thought behind it.
I think a municipality-appointed therapist can tell me I need routines in my life and do so for a much lower cost. Gurus take very basic pop psychology and expect to be treated as fonts of wisdom for it.
Dear Vlad! You are so precise here!! In order to give space to other boxes of realities than our own, first of all, we must realize that we do not know much. Socrates proclaimed: “I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either”. More than 2000 years later, Roosevelt said: Never underestimate a man who overestimates himself. Maybe the most dangerous overestimation is created in the unawareness of what we do not know. In fact, the world is, to a large extent, ruled by such mindsets.
Today we are "skipping developmental processes of knowledge acquisition." Brilliantly put!! The only way to counter the self-assured ignorance of those like Peterson is to present things more accurately, which you have done here, thank you so much!! 🙏
Watched JP's talk on Ukraine thoroughly. I think he's just echoing his "left-wing marxists are evil" mantra on top of whatever audible topic he finds. Completely agree with Vlad on point that public intellectuals moving out of their expertise lanes do more harm than good. Myself being 5 year ex-pat out of Ukraine, I already missing a lot of context and oftentimes abstain of explaining current events in Ukraine to my circle. I don't even know how less of context JP can have if he builds his opinion just upon Mearsheimer argument and attachment to Dostoyevsky's and Solzhenitsyn's works (why not Vernadsky and Strugatsky's for example?). Thanks to Vlad for his gentle approach to such discussion, waiting for JS phenomena essay.
JP claims that professors are brainwashing students. /The Communist Manifesto/ is one of Marx's skinniest works. Even if I assigned it, I can't get 75% to even read the eight-page syllabus/course outline, so there's a very, very real reality check.
The section on 'expertise' here is dense with vital truths that belong front and center to our political discourse in all Western democracies. What a breath of fresh air. Your practical advice on how to address rampant lies IN THE MOMENT is an especially keen medicine. It has been highly anxiety inducing in America to address this, among my friends and family and neighbors. Some real ringers here I will definitely be quoting!
So relieved I'm not the only one ranting about this (crisis of expertise and knowledge generation), albeit invariably to myself! Phew! Thank you. And to use Peterson to demonstrate this is I think just perfect. I do believe that Petersons straying from his actual field of expertise might be quite calculated and ironically /sadly has been the key behind his popularity. Being useful will only get you so far, but if you can be entertaining, well then you're onto something
I've only been watching your videos for a short time and find the way you explain things very easy to understand . I'm not a very intelligent man . never went to university didn't even finish school . isn't what you are saying the Dunning-Kruger effect . I'm probably wrong but from what I have learned over the last few years is there are lots of people that claim to be experts . I've even had experts tell me my job when they've never done it . maybe I'm just simplifying because as I say I'm not an intelligent man . I don't think NATO was a threat to Russia but the simple fact that NATO exists Russia see it as a threat . And now Putin has attacked Ukraine he's only made it worse almost like self fulfilling prophecy . As for the Woke-ism I just don't understand it at all . I'm a male I like females I've worked with my hands my whole life and all I know is people are different and what ever they want to do with their life or what they identify as is their business not mine . do I think it started this war no
@@BubblegumCreepydoll thank you Bubblegum for being kind . I wish there were more people like you . Writing it is one thing but if you heard me speak it with my accent you would probably walk away .
@@BubblegumCreepydoll I'm from Oxford in the UK so I have a voice like a farmer plus I worked in the building trade for many years most of which I worked in London so you get a little bit of country mashed up with some London I'm what's known as a common man or working class here in the UK . we are told the class system died out years ago but it's alive and well or maybe I just have a chip on my shoulder
@@boermed My man is a farmer, Oxford is also the only city I’ve stayed at in the UK. I stayed there with my sister when I was 14. It’s a nice place. There will always be a class system of some kind. I don’t really care about that. I’ve hung out with people that live on the streets and people that have a quite high status in society. They pretty much want the same thing, sex and drugs.
I have only seen the short clip of Jordan Peterson's views on Ukraine on this channel. I have no idea of what else he said, but it what he is saying here is absurd. What does concern me is that so many on the right, who before the invasion of Ukraine had decided that Putin was a natural ally in the culture wars, have not changed their allegiance to Putin despite Russia's invasion. You would imagine in the light of recent events they might have been be persuaded to revise their position. But the opposite seems to have happened. Instead they grab onto anything they can find to justify this this horrific invasion. Peterson is just providing ammunition for Putin apologists. I look forward to Vlad's in depth analysis of the Peterson phenomenon, which I do find extraordinary and perhaps a little sinister. It's interesting up to a point to hear Peterson holding forth on subjects like Nietzsche and Dostoevsky or the Bible, but always in the back of your mind is the thought that there are much more interesting voices on these subjects. Yet somehow Peterson whether by design or accident has attracted this enormous, unquestioning following. This seems incredibly dangerous.
I profoundly disagree with JP on the subject of the war in Ukraine - i could not even continue, so disgusting it was, but to call him “dangerous” is at the least an overstatement imho. I now wonder how long it will take JP to acknowledge how wrong he is about “Putler” and to apologize.
Natasha people like Peterson will never admit he is wrong about anything. He is a guru for people who are unapologetically proud of their anglosaxon hereditary and masculinity.
@@ArtU4All I don't know if Peterson will apologise. I have to admit that I think it rather unlikely. What I find dangerous about specifically the Peterson phenomenon is the way he has been elevated to the status of a prophet by many of his followers.
@@saskhiker3935 What Peterson would argue is not that people should be proud of their Anglo-Saxon hereditary and masculinity, rather they shouldn't be ashamed of these things. In this I think he does have a point. However, at the same time I agree that a large portion (at least going by UA-cam comments) are exactly the people you describe. I don't believe Peterson ever properly addresses this. The other issue I have with him, which Vlad has described far more eloquently than I ever could, is that he never faces any real intellectual scrutiny in his conversations. Sam Harris or Dawkins don't qualify.
I appreciate this so much. Honestly I used to be just like this person, I wanted people to listen to me so I would speak. Loudly. I would say big things and people would listen because those things are interesting. But all that time I knew I was a fraud, I'm an expert in astrology, I was going into politics and culture and what's right and wrong and how I feel about this and that and I was going way out of my area of expertise, because I wanted to be heard. It actually got me into a lot of trouble and I kept doing it until I realized I was wrong. I had no idea what I was talking about and I had been too lazy to actually research and investigate and discus with experts. If my voice had reached more people then it could have had a negative impact on the world around me, like so many people are doing right now. I'm glad im no longer doing that but it pains me that despite still being too lazy to research and investigate, I am very interested in these subjects. I want to know more about politics and culture and philosophy but I am too lazy to research. It's like I'm fighting myself. So it hurts when these subjects come up and I can't talk about them because I really don't know. I wish I had more motivation to become an expert because these really are interesting subjects, which is why I really appreciate your videos. I feel like they are slowly bridging that gap and you're encouraging me to think outside the box and try critical thinking. I've learned to not just accept what this guy or that guy says because they use big words and sound confident. So thank you vlad, I hope your voice reaches more people because we don't hear enough of this in our daily personal lives. I shouldn't have to come to UA-cam to learn things like this, I should be able to just have these conversations in real life. And I hope that I'll gain the expertise and confidence to have these conversations.
JBP is impressive to people who know a little bit of psychology, or a little bit of philosophy, or a little bit of politics, or a little bit of anything. The moment he starts talking about an area in which you are competent, you notice how little he actually knows, how much his blithers, and how little he says.
"NATO is an existential threat to Russia as an aggressive and expanding Eurasian colonial power" - has to be the most pithy summary I've ever heard. Hats off to you good sir.
Thank you Vlad so much for your take on Peterson’s and Mearsheimer’s so-called lectures. With Peterson i think it is pretty clear. I listened up to the moment when he said that Ukraine discovered natural gas deposits near the Caspian Sea. The only things we receive now from the Caspian region are the cruise missiles launched by Russia’s strategic bombers. Add this to an absent expression and poses mechanically changed by Peterson, it was clear to me, that the script of this monologue Peterson probably has seen first time in his life. When it comes to Mearsheimer, he is no less ignorant about the causes of the war, but his messages are far more damaging to the cause of the world uniting against Russian brutality. If fact, he suggests the opposite: the western world’s unifying was the cause of Russian outrage. Enough to say that right before of the invasion, all the western politicians declared that Ukraine will not be member of NATO in any foreseeable future. And so was declared by President Zelensky on the Munich conference. Has it helped to deescalate? Of course not. And what Putin said about Sweden and Finland joining NATO? “This is not a concern to us” So this war not about NATO being the cause, I would say that NATO has no role in the decision process at all. Thank you again, and looking forward for the longer video.
@@compassrise thank you, I know that. :) But JP apparently don’t. Go to timecode 11:07 on his video, where you can find as he elaborates on Ukraine newly discovered petrol resources near the Caspian.
It's all theater, isn't it? Putin wanted to attack Ukraine and created the pretext. He doesn't want anything with Fin + Swe at the moment so "it's not a concern". Not that either of our countries - Ukraine or the Nordics was going to attack Russia militarily anyways. But if Ru were to have a go at the Baltics later... Maybe test how strong the article 5 stands in reality? Or if, for some reason NATO engages directly... I don't believe they want to invade the Nordics per se but they'd like to dominate the region, threaten with nukes when we send weapons or do anything they don't like. And they might want the Island of Gotland in order to attack the Baltics in the future... Kaliningrad is not far away, the Baltic sea=NATO sea.... Surely they aren't pleased. (If I allow myself to speculate... )
Peterson is a psychologist. He frequently weighs in on a wide array of topics far outside of his training. Politics, religion, climate change, etc. etc. Further, even within his realm of expertise, he frequently comes out with views that are not well supported in his own field.
I still want to know how people like my friends who actually treat people are supposed to use Jung. They already tell people basic stuff like "you should try to have a stable routine" but without making it a special session with a guru.
It is in the pipeline but not soon! Also it’s a slightly dangerous video to do! The algorithm will push it to hard core JP fans and to people who specialise in cancelling him - and I want to protect my community from both! But I will do it unless I see a long form treatment which gets it right - so far, there isn’t one. Happy New Year to You!
2 million? Wow Vlad congrats, you certainly deserve it. For my part those speeches Putin gave just before the invasion made me realize that my perception of him as a sort of capitalist kleptocrat fell very short of understanding all that revisionist / imperialist madness therein. Though the invasion came as no great shock finding that I didn't really understand Putin's motives and objectives felt like looking down and seeing no floor. Your videos and recommendations on others to listen to made up a big part of what's been among the most historically orientating periods of learning in my recent memory. The resulting increase in my bearings for the history that my life's a part of has been pretty dam gratifying even inspiring, albeit juxtaposed by the many horrors of war and totalitarianism. Really appreciate you
1. agree wholeheartedly about the "stay in one's lane", I love your advice to your friends and their media appearances 2. looking forward to your video deciphering JPs word salad 3. very intrigued by this theatrical side you are letting loose here, very believable, 4. Thank you for bringing to attention this shift from knowledge acquisition, carry on, Vlad!
Jordan Petersons behavioral psychology has helped me so much in my life. Looking back I really needed a psychologist I suppose to help me get myself on stable footing (something I'd never had through my whole life). People crack jokes that he is a father figure for lost young males - well, my father vehemently hated me and actively tried to undermine my success and my father figure (grandpa) died in under six months from cancer when i was 16. I had no other male role model in my life. I'm 28 now and for the first time I'm not living in a completely unhealthy environment, I have a clear vision of the future (luckily I've always had the end goal in mind to build my life around - its what led me to getting out of the environment), I've completely removed my anxiety/depression that's always been there for my whole life, I've created a "rock" as my foundation moving into life, I have personal order that is so great and I have learned just so much from his explanations on ancient/historical wisdom sources and the lessons that can teach us. My biggest takeaway from JP has been to build my life around pillars - before now it'd always just been on maintaining my significant other relationship and money. Now i build my life on the following pillars (so that when one collapses my life isnt in total chaos like it use to be): 1. Religion (christianity) 2. Philosophy (stoicism) 3. Nurturing unique interests (history, war, philosophy, etc) 4. Always learning through reading daily 5. Meditation 6. Excercise daily 7. Physical health 8. Routine 9. Family (always love and support - never judge) 10. Maintaining good friends (they want me to succeed and assist when i fail) 11. Work voraciously on my career (run a financial services business) 12. Develop my hobby of backcountry hiking 13. Get involved in communty (sports leagues, MMA, volunteering) and even a few more areas. This has genuinely saved my life. His specifically behavioral psychology work has been one of the largest sources to make me a better business owner, a better friend, a better family member and a better member of my local community. That being said, i do not follow any of his work outside of the domains in behavioral psychology and practical wisdom from sources such as the Bible, Torah, etc. I am in complete disagreement with his take on the war (he had earlier opinions on the war that were also terrible) and its somewhat surprising to see him so off base. He has his home decorated on the inside in large part with Soviet era artwork as to remind him of the horrors of that time from Soviet policy. I agree that he likely is just viewing this from the "culture war" perspective. It is also really important to me that I never become a "believer" of any mortal person. I only fully believe in God (christian) and any person born from a mother is flawed (again, JP brings in the Solzhenitsyn lines talking about the line between good and evil running down each person's heart but I digress). My best friend is an American citizen who immigrated here as a child from Ukraine, and to me it is super easy to empathize with Ukrainians (grew up in CLE, HQ for slavs in the US and I have been around serbs/ukis my whole life). It is just important to always remember that it is extremely unhealthy to follow and agree with everything a person says. I completely disagree on his take here; clearly, despite the mass suffering and destruction, if Ukraine can prevail in the end as a recognized European state with all its liberated territories, it would be a complete victory. The option between 1. Being under Russian occupation and 2. Having a secure future for your children in a western democracy, is completely obvious. Homes can be rebuilt; tyranny must be fought. I would have thought he would clearly understand this but as everyone is saying this is not his domain at all. In summary, JP will be one of the best modern "philosophers" on behavioral psychology and practical wisdom of our time. However, he is not god, and his take on the war (and maybe politics in general) should be regarded with the same regard as any other non-expert. His practical wisdom and behavioral psychology is so good I really wish he'd stop talking politics/war so he can just help more people like myself.
Sorry for repeating: It's okay to be helped by the words and/or ideas of problematic, imperfect people at particular moments when you really need it. Less ideal, if only used to spin one's cognitive wheels, perpetually, in the mud.
I think this profound wisdom is useful, but it is also stuff a much cheaper therapist from my little municipality can tell me. The people at their office also tell people eating regularly is good and having small, doable daily routines is nice. They also talk about finding meaningful hobbies. They tell people to set the clock to a regular time. The guru takes this and makes it a profound personal wisdom that must be continually dispensed through the guru.
The german philosopher Carl Jaspers has said: "It is unbelivible how much dumbness can be placed into a smart men´s head. Best wishes: Dr. Volker Langenhahn from Germany
the " well... you know " maybe theatre as you say but your impeccable cadence made it pointed and as devastating as a Hitchens barb. You are fascinating to listen to Vlad. Merci, from a math teacher in New-Brunswick, Canada. I love to read Kant and all the great philosophers but I forget most of it as soon as I read it. I love your cogent distillations.
just some timestamps for me:P 12:15 knowledge acquisition - generation and authenticity 14:14 Bogus knowledge acquisition and shopping 16:07 experts stay in your lane confidently and else say "i dont know" 18:18 expertise, trust and democracy 20:50 video spoilers 21:34 enduring free speech (sorry for this wording :P ) 22:32 beef! beef! beef! 25:00 attitude of russia and neighbouring states to NATO 26:26 mearsheimer's view too coarse/abstract 28:20 america-centrism, nato expansion isnt that important 30:20 Petersons argument and short evaluation 31:30 influence of identity politics 32:30 wokeism in all politic ideologies existing 33:38 putin vs identity politics? 35:18 the correct response against JP 35:58 i've read a blogpost, so i must be an expert 37:40 a comment of Vlad: How Putin may see a Civil conflict in the sowjetblock
Been a Jp fan for allong time,made of him an idol,until i started to see that some of things he says are biased,and irrational for example that an atheist can ve virtuous and with no god humans are evil etc,and after that i noticed more stuff that was weird,now this...beats the record,saying that this war is not all that wrong
It’s part of growing up (you can do this in any age). You don’t make anyone a prophet or idol. You will learn that most people are complex and have foolish sides. Take what’s useful and discard the rest… but don’t discard what’s gold and there is gold
I have a lot of respect for Jordan Peterson. But he is a psychologist. International politics, wars and history just aren't his field. Like a dentist talks about building Space X rocket. I watch his entire video. Can't stop shaking my head. Just so much nonsense.
@@upnorth2421 I always wondered how Peterson was seen by other psychologists, because from the few videos I saw of him, the only thing I saw related to psychology was his appropriation of Jung's archetypes to analyze biblical myths. Honestly, I've read reports that mysticism is very present in psychology, which leads people to doubt about the scientificity of psychology, and what I saw from Peterson didn't seem to help to invert it.
I've seen cogpsych Cass Eris critique Peterson, and while i fell asleep and understood nothing, you know, maybe he's really not that much of an expert in anything, just a thought? I would almost get back to that but honestly my interest in one talking head is... very limited. My country is on fire, a good fourth of a nice city i used to live in is destroyed, and my other country needs some action as well, not urgently but generally, and i need to get stuff done as well, projects to build, health to improve, you know how it is, perhaps. This wanker just doesn't figure into this no matter what he thinks.
@icky Vicky What makes you so certain? It's not like there isn't a lot of opposition and critique out in the open, always has been, and yet he's becoming continuously more and more Petersony.
I would add "self entitlement" to self affirmation and shopping in your description of how citizens are proclaiming opinions with learning anything beforehand - or even feeling that is is important to know anything beforehand. The feel (feel not think) entitled to have, express, and impose their opinion, disconnected from fact, and disconnected to the burden of critique. I appreciate Mr. Peterson's expertise and efforts to defend integrity and fee speech. He is superb in his lane of individual psychological development and life experience. But, he far outside of his lane with global affairs.
Your sincere and dedicated explanatory thoughtfulness helps me listen to and ruminate on what you say with a more open mind. I have appreciated your points of view (that I would, otherwise, have little way of having.) Thanks!
I love Jordan Peterson in small doses and when he is operating "within his lane", as you say. His lane is, and people forget this, experimental and clinical psychology, and he is something of a self-made expert on the role of myth in the human psyche. That's it, full stop. He leverages what he is an expert in to becoming something of a guru to young, aimless males that apparently did not have a father around to raise them properly. That is nice and all and I think he is pretty good at this, but when he waxes philosophical and political and cultural and social...He's just some guy on the Internet that was traumatized by reading The Gulag Archipelago...
The problem is that he's not practicing experimental and clinical psychology, he hasn't had a license for many years now, he's not up to date with the development of that field. Even what would seem to be his lane isn't really his lane. He's a demagog through and through.
@@PrypeciowyHovnozer Well, he certainly is not practicing much of anything on a professional basis, but he at least has the educational background to speak coherently regarding areas related to the human psyche. Apparently, some people really need to hear or read what he has to say on getting ones own act together and there are a lot of testimonials that their lives work better after adopting some of his suggestions, which are rooted in what their parents failed to do in raising them to begin with. Great, as far as it goes, and as self-help gurus go, he is both more qualified and more constructive than most. But still, when he starts to natter on about cultural marxisim and the like, I do wish he would shut the hell up...
There is no kind way to correct somebody on the internet, but please bear with me. I am an experimental and social psychologist. JBP is not. He is a clinical and personality one, and all power to him for it, but he regularly talks about other fields of psychology, including social, cognitive and evolutionary psychology, and when he does, he talks absolute nonsense. Based on what he says, I expect he has not really engaged with the science since 1992. I am not saying this to be mean to him. I am saying this to give him an out. My favourite example is his REPEATED statement that IQ tests are the most reliable measurement in psychology. Blatant idiocy, right there! In every class on cognitive or developmental psychology, when intelligence is discussed, we tell our students three important things: 1. What IQ tests measure is not actually intelligence, but SOME THEORIZED components of intelligence, 2. IQ tests are unreliable, change with repeated testing and practice; taking one version of the IQ test (there is a multitude) may place you in a completely different bracked in comparison to another version of the test, and 3. IQ tests measure some components of intelligence, but they also measure test-taking ability, education, SES, confidence. In other words, your IQ score is not merely your IQ. Another example is values. JBP talks values all the time, right? I read Maps of Meaning and 12 Rules - chock full of values! Yet, when I looked at his bibliography for ANY scientific work on values done in the last 40 years in psychology, sociology and anthropology - nothing! Not a single mention of Inglehart & Welzel, Schwartz, or Hofstede, all of whom produced reliable, widely used, comprehensive maps of human values which have been empirically tested and replicated across the planet. But no! JBP cites Dostoyevsky, a fucking novelist, instead of Shalom Schwartz, an actual scientist who produced something called the theory of universal human values. I cannot tell you what a red flag this is to anybody who is familiar with the field. It is a sign of intellectual laziness, at best.
I think it's an understanding of myth and jungian concepts that stops at what Petersen seems true, and dare not explore further. Like all the funky bits of Jung cut short.
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You didn't respond to anything he actually said. You just played a bunch of quote mined clips; presumably to signal your followers into rejecting anything He has said without even understanding the arguments.
Wow you really poked the hornet's nest that is the cult of JP. I always look forward to your chats in part because the comments are often very interesting, but many here are borderline unhinged.
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Who are you accusing of being unhinged?
Do you care to elaborate on why you think that is the case?
This is an extremely narcissistic response. Before responding, I read your comment & it reads like a defense of a cult leader & you personally feel attacked by Vlad. Perhaps you should listen again to his chat? And his specific points? Then wait for the longer video?
Lost respect for a lot of north american conservatives with this war. They are projecting their issues on something that is extremely different than the "culture war". Very childish.
He’s Old … I’m old and I’m telling These old people my age 60s they need to shut up , get out of the freaking way and let the younger generations ( Vlad here , Zelensky , Duda ,, etc etc ) have their turn with the world !..
My “boomer “ gen has a death grip and won’t LET GO .
They are the senior citizens that are still in the road doing 15 mph when the younger people are trying to commute home after a log day .
Get off the road … get out of the way… be wise and graceful.
I lost a lot of friends.
@@jetv1471 I’m going to turn 60 in October. Don’t call me old please. I don’t feel old and I don’t have the same mindset as JP. And don’t call me a boomer either. I don’t identify with the boomers. Many people born in ~1961-~1966 don’t understand the boomers and we don’t particularly like them. We identify much more with gen-x. I have no idea why we are lumped with the boomers.
@@jetv1471 Eh, we got a taste of what some of the younger generation (the loudest portion anyway) would like to do if given free rein, in 2020, and that was pretty ugly. Boomers are fading from the landscape through attrition. Gen X is not a large enough generation to throw any cultural or economic weight around. Millenials and Zoomers will get their chance to be in charge soon enough. Hopefully by then enough of them will have a stake in the economy that they can keep their radicals in check. Tearing down the world to spite the boomers really wouldn't be good for anyone.
North Americans have not had their homes and cities bombed since ~1880s and therefore forget what an actual war is and what the costs are.
From Romania your analysis of JP on Ukraine is very close to the mark. JP values Dostoyevsky and the Orthodox Church and assumes that Putin [publicly pro Russian Orthodox church] must have some moral imperative in starting the war and he is dead wrong on this. Putin values power, anything else, like human life, religious faith, truth or "western civilizational values" are just convenient tools for him to use or enemies to destroy when they become obstacles in his grand plan of gradual acquisition of absolute power. It seems to me that JP is willfully blind on Putin as a direct and present danger to the "West" JP loves and wants to coopt Putin in his Truth crusade against leftist extremism. Meanwhile Ukrainians are dying protecting western values against an old style autocrat.
Biggest takeaway is how through Peterson’s words you can see just how much reactionaries in the west internalize and approve of the the criticism Russia levies at it…degeneracy from feminism and LGBT+ rights, “bumbling” democracies, lies of human rights. And while certainly the West has a lot to answer for Ukrainians should not have to give up their country to Russia because of hypocrisy
For gods sake right before the invasion Putin commented on the culture “clash” about JK Rowling.
Spot on dude :) (Sorry I drank a glass of wine)
@icky Vicky yep. i cringe too. Ukraine are the only ones who have values right now it seems.
As an American who lived twenty-five years in Eastern Europe, I am under precisely the same impression.
Is Peterson on the Kremlin payroll perhaps? Or just a convenient idiot?
I left Crimea on the day they shut down the airport in 2014. I got to New York and within hours people who had no knowledge at all of the situation were trying to tell me what should be done in absolute terms. It actually caused me up have a complete nervous breakdown. How can you be an expert without any experience or study? I'm basically a complete hermit at this point because I don't know how to interact in a world where everyone knows that they know things, with no inability to expand their understanding or listen to any criticism to their "expertise" at all.
I just became a complete misanthrope. And I sing Doris Day's Que Sera Sera to myself a lot 😊 really good noise cancelling headphones with a kick arse music collection helps too 👍now repeat this old joke phrase after me: Illegitimi non carborundum (Don’t let the bastards grind you down) 😁
And remember, wokeness and PC culture are the ultimate enemies, not war, poverty, disease, global warming, hunger, mental illness, addiction, suicide...
I can relate! My maternal grandmother was Crimean Tatar (the Soviet orcs deported her during the Sürgünlik 1944 when she was a child), so my mum has Crimean Tatar cousins who returned to Crimea in the 90's and started families there. When the Russian annexation happened in 2014, they fled. And when my mum and I tried to tell others here in Scandinavia (my mum lived in Sweden and I lived back then in Norway), everyone tried to "explain" to us that we were russophopic, separatists, jihadists and so on, and that "Crimea was actually Russian for 300 years". Even though I always explained that Russia has always taken Crimea by violent force and colonisation, they refused to listen. It caused us so much pain. As if the annexation wasn't painful enough (honestly, the annexation is still a traumatic amputation to all of us with Crimean Tatar heritage).
@@Tuzganaq hugs to you and your family. I truly can identify with your story though there are parts you can never really understand unless you've lived it. Crimea is an amazing place and the Crimean tatars are an amazing people. Your history belongs to you. It made me feel absolutely crazy when people were trying to rewrite my thoughts and memories and what I'd seen to something that fit their narrative. The truth is true just the same. It lives inside of you.
@@lori342 Big hugs to you. One day Crimea will be liberated. And when liberation comes, I hope we'll meet in one of the beaches with the Black Sea next to us. I hope we'll enjoy some juicy mantı, samsa or chebureki and warm glasses of çay. That day will insha'Allah come. Yaşasın Qırım! Слава Україні! 💙💛
As a Ukrainian, I’m so happy to find this video and the channel(s).
I had been a big fan of JP up until the video about Ukraine. It was obvious, he was out of touch, yet sadly there was not a single comment that would question his take on the situation.
The relationship between Russia and Ukraine has very long and complicated history. If you haven’t studied it, you will never fully understand this conflict and Russian hatred towards us.
As someone who's studied psychology I think Peterson is purely bullshit. He's part Self Help Guru one Hate mogul/Right Wing political pundit
So I guess you were in it for the lgbt bashing before.
You are a pathological liar victim monger
He's been on the wrong side of so many issues, especially as his internet persona and fame blossomed, that this is hardly an outlier.
@@VasilPoleganov I'd say that he became famous mainly due to him misrepresenting ideas and opinions so JBP being on the wrong side of an issue shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone at this point.
There is german military historian who does regular pieces on UA-cam about Russia's war against Ukraine. His name is Thorsten Heinrich and he actually adheres to exactly what Vlad is telling us about expertise: He stays in his lane and each time he is asked about something that is not in his field of expertise, he just states outright "I don't know".
I think THAT alone gives this man a big chunk of credibility.
That's not a comment you will often hear from J Peterson.
@@helveticaification Hardly ever.
Big fan of Torsten’s channel
Torsten is also not hyper-optimistic about Ukraine and tells it as it is. It’s really begun to irritate me seeing certain content creators painting a rosey picture which downplays the severity of the situation Ukraine and we in the west are facing.
Peterson's insight into geo-politics and history of eastern Europe is non-existant but he is pompous enough to think he has something worth saying. Nonsense in its purest form.
I agree 100%
But by placing himself into places outside his lane, he keeps relevent. Perhaps JP understands his popularity could be fleeting if he talks about the same thing all the time. By drawing in Ukraine and presenting it into his worldview he becomes relevent and keeps selling books and getting on TV.
@@saskhiker3935 I do think he is pushing his own envelope, rather ferociously these days. I find it odd - of what is he fearful?
Perhaps the narcissist in him is addicted to fame more than he is fearful. The thing about being a "guru" of a movement that roots its self in anger and resentment, is you have to keep fuelling that anger cause its really an exhausting being to be in a perpetual angry state?
My sentiments exactly!
I repeat, this one is massively underrated channel ☝️
I feel special because I not many people have found it yet, like a cave full of gems.
Spread the word. I saw people talking about this channel on an Inside Russia livestream the other day.
Agreed, so many subtle and accurate points explored by Vlad
I like how he's not there to do an info-dump upon anyone, and yes he does inform as a part of his process, but in action he's really trying to motivate people to think, think, think.
Yes ❤️
A very argumented, mature and, if I may say, tasteful take on Petersons preachings. A delight. Thank you!
As a Russian speaking Latvian, on my personal experience I need to say that the “civil war in Eastern Europe” you were talking about has another - generational - dimension to it.
I cannot argue about Russians in Russia (although I could speculate this is similar), but here in Latvia - the younger the Russians are - the more they are integrated into the “global West” - the more they support Ukraine and the Liberal camp.
I would go as far as to say, that almost all youngest Russians (born after the collapse of the USSR) support Ukraine.
The opposite is true for older generation. Russian seniors - vastly support or justify this war.
This runs through almost every Russian family that I know where children and parents are now on the opposite sides. Including my own.
Vatnik parents are the worst, especially when living in the west and they are 110% isolated from any consequence of their hateful ideology
I am rather surprised (not having any familiarity with the situation in Latvia other than the basic history) that 'Russians' in Latvia, even old crusty ones, would feel free to favor the imperialistic line, given Latvia's rather vulnerable position, given geography and not-so-distant history. There must be a lot of tolerance for some potentially touchy opinions on the subject.
@@RileyRampant, unfortunately, even after 30 years they still assosiate themselves with the empire, and not with the free country.
Putin is also one of the old crusty USSR Russians. I'm shure the younger generation in Russia has no problem with the West whatsoever. Probably the majority of Russians doesn't really believe the West is such a threat to Russia, but Putin is the absolute ruler and the majority of Russians still have the tendency to let themselves be led by an autocratic figure. Russia has never actually been a democracy. The 90's were just chaos and a trauma for the Russians who suddenly lost all security the USSR gave them and they recieved often abject poverty.
Then Putin created stability in an autocratic way and it was a relief for them, the economy started to grow, something like law and order were established. They are afraid to drop the security that Putin gave them and they got used to. They are being misled and blindsighted. It probably took this war to get rid of Putin, I'm just afraid he will not go without a nuclear bang, or many of them. It does not seem like anybody around him has the guts to take him out. Similar as Hitlers last days. Only Hitler luckily didn't have nukes, unfortunately that is different now.
@@norflandanforevah Looks like Northern Ireland & perhaps Scotland are heading out too. This 'leave' stuff (and getting back into the EU) is contagious !
Thanks!
Even though russian propaganda often refers to Europe as "Gayrope" I don't feel that russian invasion have anything to do with the identity politics. JP's lecture felt painfully irrelevant and even absurd to me as a Ukrainian. Loved Vlad's point about the USA being a theat to russian imperialism, not to the country itself.
The Donbas/Crimea were just the most overt ‘acquiring’ of the whole of Ukraine at the time : this full war is grasping at the tendrils of his failed infection of Ukraine’s central government. Putin , by his actions, cares nothing for the Ukrainian people/culture. If successful, he’ll enslave/deport them & import Russians. Pol pot with nukes?
NATO/EU was closing the window on the opportunity, and so Putin took it.
Indeed, I thought it was even downright insulting to Ukrainians.
Personally I disagree. Russia = imperialism. Imperialism's ingrained in their mysticism. Without imperialism, there is no Russia.
@@rhalfik There is no Russia as we know it without imperialism. But Russia is alot more than its imperialism. I don't think it's wise to deny a hundred million people nation just becuase of a bunch of jerks who happened to rule the country. Imagine what would we loose as a humanity if after WW2 Germany or Japan were denied and isolated from the rest of the world.
Love how you said, it's OK to say. "I don't know" the internet makes it too easy to conflate surface level knowledge with real expertise.
Yea, in fact there is a clear, anti-intellectual trend in the popular discourse. It's troubling. Maybe the trend towards casualness makes some people lose their bearings because they need the social signals of titles, a particular style of speech/accent or at least a corduroy jacket with some elbow patches to tell them what's what and whom they should be giving some respect to.
@@kristalkristal2506 good points. I see where internet culture has trended towards rewarding hyperbole and absolutism in a discussion or idea. Couple that with the ugly tribalism that has infected so many areas of our lives and any sort of nuance or humility is thrown out the window in the effort to "win"
Multi faceted problem with no obvious solutions - a lot to talk about here!
Easy to think it is important to have a view about everything...staying in one's lane is a good idea. It is also OK to ask questions to expand one's knowledge base or clarify what someone else means.
Astonishing that JP rants on forever about Stalin and the Gulag, yet fails to see Putin for what he is - a vest-pocket Stalin. Not all that astonishing, though, considering that so much of his thinking is so bizarrely self-contradictory.
Hi Daniel. I look forward to Vlad's analysis but I look at JP in a slightly different way: what world view is he trying to defend? It seems to be a world view on which he seems to depend for his sense of self and that he takes criticisms as almost existential threats that are motivated by malign actors.
@@martifingers Agreed. From what little I’ve read, JP was raised in a very strict Calvinist church, then turned into an atheist, then started to feel existential unease about it all, and has been yo-yo-ing inside his own head trying to defend “tradition” as a necessity for ethics, or something like that. I have to feel sorry for the guy. I suspect he’s chronically depressed, highly neurotic, nearly humorless, and projecting his personal problems on society, and blaming the rest of us for all of it. He seems to resent atheists deeply for being mentally healthy and clear of mind without his permission.
There doesn’t seem to be anything coherent about his world view. He went down the Jungian rabbit hole, then shifted to existentialism (which he doesn’t understand at all). He talks a lot about metaphysics, but can’t tell us whether he believes that a spirit world exists, because he doesn’t know. He should read some Bernard Williams, but he’d probably end up more confused then ever.
@@danielschaeffer1294 Thanks for the reply, Daniel. I am increasingly persuaded by the ideas of Terror Management Theory (interestingly JP is not a fan apparently!) The idea here is that beliefs, faith and cultural identification generally are unique human attempts to assuage the fear of mortality. It's more subtle than I can easily summarise but it does seem to me to account for a lot of what otherwise looks like irrational madness -Trumpism, conspiracy theories, the resurgence of the Evangelical Right etc. All seem based on a deep fear above all. Existential fear as you indicate. The trouble is given real world events (demographic changes, eco and economic crisis etc.) his experience may well echo with a lot of people.
I used to think the crazy American leftist take on Peterson was ridiculous and extreme. His slip of the tongue where he says ‘fourth Reich’ when talking about Nazi Germany, for example, I felt was just a slip, not a dog whistle to neo-Nazis, even though it’s probably one of the seminal dog whistles to use. When he made similar slips later on, I changed my mind. I then felt he was maybe ‘trolling’. However, over the years I have started to doubt this take as well, and wonder if maybe he might be as disingenuous as they say he is. His frankly weird statements about women, almost handmaid’s tale stuff, the company he keeps and the extremely opaque way he uses language, which when you make a concerted effort to understand can only be explained as either a fuddled mind, maybe from the benzos (although now that he’s clean that hasn’t changed) or language with a subtext for an audience in the know. I’m not sure which. Still, I have moved from ‘agreeing to disagree but maybe he has some good points’ to ‘this guy Is at the least a right wing grifter and possibly a Nazi adjacent intellectual’ in the vein of those that gave fascism intellectual legitimacy in the 1930s. His defence of Putin hasn’t allayed my concerns here.
@@danielschaeffer1294 I loved what you wrote here, you made me laugh a lot while reading it. You are funny 🙌🏼💙
I am 81 years old, now retired. After university and before retirement I spent nearly all of my energy solving narrow work related problems Still, I remained interested the many larger questions that had occupied my youth. Initially I was attracted (as I immagine a great many others are attracted) to well spoken folks who seemed confident about the larger mysteries that puzzled me. Early on, I was much impressed by bold self -confidence. Sometime in my mid thirties experience soured my awe of such performances. This happened when putative guides would touch upon areas of my own very narrow expertise. When that happened I discovered that they did not know what they were talking about. From those experiences I developed a heightened sensitivity to the smell of bull-shit. I wonder if there is a bit of Vlad's own disappointed awe underlying his commentary upon the work of Jordan Peterson, Noam Chomsky and Peter Zeihan, all three of which run my B.S. meter to 10.
I strongly doubt Vlad was ever awed by Peterson in the first place.
Im English, living in Bulgaria. Im a socialist, Labour supporter and I never believed I was taken in by the posh confidant public school [private] buys. I thought I was rational and pragmatic.
UNTILL I developed a circle of Bulgarian friends and a Bulgarian girlfriend who were oblivious to the accents. They listened to the words of a northern bricklayer with no filters and to the words of an Eton politician similarly. I would be taking XYZ guys seriously and they would burst out laughing at the idiot. Eventually, I became aware how amazingly ingrained in my culture it is to RESPECT a posh confident accent...
@@piccalillipit9211 Yes, sometimes it's markers of elite status that foster credibility. You Brits have clear markers of status in speech patterns. Here in the United States and Canada that's less of a factor. Over here we tend to be suckers for someone who speaks confidently, citing unfamilar "facts" or using an unfamiliar technical jargon.
@@RC-pg5sz - I cant totally see how confidence would carry disproportionate weight in the USA. But we English are indoctrinated from birth that a posh accent is to be believed, trusted and obeyed. Even if you grow up in a left-wing, anti monarchy, none establishemnt household. Its runs in the veins of every institution in the land.
I can see it as clear as day now when 15 years ago I was oblivious to it. Interestingly the Scottish dont seem to suffer it, its the English.
@@piccalillipit9211 Hopefully now you have a degree of immunity to this efect.
I've noticed a relatively new phenomenon in behavior of American citizens. One frequently hears folks saying, "I feel like we don't need anymore Covid vaccines." Or, "I feel like Donald Trump desires what is in the citizens best interest." Implicit in the word "feel" they are actually claiming fact. Somehow personal feelings/beliefs are now acceptable placeholders for factual knowledge and expertise.
A very important issue indeed. Thanks for dedicating a video to address it!
As an American this phenomenon triggers me to no end. People will express a viewpoint and are one question away from completely falling apart. Sometimes they even get upset and defensive. It’s no secret this behavior is everywhere online, but I have actually had this happen to me in a handful of face to face interactions from fully grown adults. They will speak with such conviction but as soon as you dig a bit, it’s clear they actually have no idea what they’re talking about.
People are allowed to feel like they don't need any more covid vaccines whether they are drs or not. My kids pediatrician just said he wished he didn't get it today.
@@TrentAdam Think you missed the point....
People that listen to JP's politics should get their house built by ballerina, their schools staffed by hockey players and their food cooked by toddler to get the idea of professionalism and standards. It's like listening to artists for their advice on wearing masks during pandemic, absolutely worthless. I know that there is overlap with his expertise and politics, but god damn... he's in deep end.
You are listening to the comedian Klaunfuhreer of Ukraine so JP is less biased. I dont agree with JP in this one, but the double standard makes me sick.
@@kamaryyassine4832 "Clown" in German is "Clown" or "Kaspar", but Klaun doesn't exist and sounds mostly like the verb "klauen" which means stealing. Führer is written with only one e and an ü or ue if there's no ü on your keyboard. Also, Selenskyj isn't a clown, he's a comedian - Komiker in German - which is something wildly different, but he also has a law degree and freely chose to not persuade a carrier in that field. The whole argument of him being non-credible because he chose a carrier in entertaining people - something that is far beyond an easy task - is foolish and I personally would avoid it, because I'd feel like it would make me look stupid. The name-calling also suggests that you're heavily influenced by Russian propaganda discrediting the Ukrainian democratic election process.
@@MephistoDerPudel I know, it was the joke. Grammar lesson + Russian propaganda + look stupid = name calling and weak arguments. Good day.
@@kamaryyassine4832 Somebody hurt you recently? I know we are on internet but goddamn bro, "look stupid" is some elementary school levels of argument.
@@ctx4241 Thats what I told him. Read the comments before you talk. I guess the basic maths went over your head 😂
Peterson has no more insight into Ukraine than I do so he should be posting alongside me in Vlad's comment section rather than abusing his platform to spout nonsense.
What's worse is that Peterson has less insight into Ukraine than more than half of the population of any neighbouring nation...
Amen!
There is another Media of Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News, that is Sky News Australia. It is Propaganda for Trump. Some people appear regularly as face of the videos of this wannabe Australian UA-cam channel that always reports about America pro GOP, Trump shines brightly things, one is John Voight, one is Peterson.
Another thing: Peterson was so concerned about the poor trucker protestors (terrorists actually).
He is a very dubious guy in my eyes.
@LucafromCologne-q2d no he doesn't.
As a psychologist, I can say that he barely has a respectable insight into psychology/his own field at this point as well
Vlad’s analysis has become part of my mental health care routine. Well done!
Oh my word. That's lovely. Do turn me off please when I am not helping your mental world!
In addition to Vlad’s videos I just love reading the comments. Such a lovely community. I agree with you, I am always checking if a new video has come up and am delighted when it does.
I never thought of it that way but I think that applies to me too
Jordan Peterson is someone I really liked. When he was talking about psychology and meaning he was good. I bought his first book. Not the others. I am not into books with prescriptions and a number of "steps", etc. Lately he has been getting into things he does not know about, as you point out. He goes to people, usually one or two, to get some answers, and that is the answer. He limits himself that way. He is also not a problem solver, as far as these other areas go. Most issues we run into, either as individuals, or as companies, or nations, can be solved. It takes experience and expertise to do this. I look at his output lately, and it is a bit sad.
His ego like Chomsky and Putin is blown out of proportion.
Additionally there might be some salesmen behind him pushing him to comment on everything to rise the sale of his books.
@@ConstructiveMinds100 I agree with what you say. It explains a lot. I think it is all salesmanship. I expect that he will lose support and interest. He has lost mine.
Chomsky is interesting. I have heard his name for a long time, but really have no interest in him or his ideas. I usually like to understand all sides, but there are some people I don't find interesting. That's just me.
@@louisgiokas2206 I was exposed to Chomsky in Computer Science in college, and it does seem that he single-handedly invented entire fields of linguistics that are critical to programming languages. But his politics is trash. He should stick to linguistics.
@@rexsceleratorum1632 Interesting. I started working on computers in a scientific research lab in the early 1970s. Never heard of him. That does not mean he was not important. In looking him up I found that his contributions were in the 1950s, so that explains some of it. The concepts were firmly entrenched by then and seemed part of the background. I was even involved in some projects in that same decade and later that were developing new formal systems and languages.
yea, i hate how every time people critizise peterson, his fans bring up his decent books.
yes, he was fine in his field but that doesn't change the fact that he pushes dangerous ideas and lies in other topics.
Thanks
Thank you so so much!
Exactly! In Italian they call this type of person a "tuttologo", an all-alogist; someone who thinks he's an expert on everything and who's everyday on TV or on youtube sharing his 'knowledge', mostly with the unknowledgeable masses, throwing some fuel on every fire that pops up.
We got a word like that in English - Tautology - probably has the same root as “tuttologo” presumably from Latin, I am thinking. It’s a good word, we should use it more often.
@@BubblegumCreepydoll that's it, google translated it to 'allrounder' but it's nowhere near the real meaning.
@@25myma so Google translated tuttologo into allrounder? Hmm…
@@BubblegumCreepydoll Google translate is part of the problem ... people say "oh, just google it" as if everything on google is indisputable
@@crivsmum4820 Google is just a search engine, it doesn't contain any information itself. I'd suggest the greater issue is people not being able to distinguish between good and bad sources. In any case, they're talking about Google translate, which is different to the search engine. How would you go about trying to translate a word if you wanted it done quickly and with relative accuracy?
Vlad, you are awesome! I have watched many of your videos about the Putin and Ukraine.... your voice talks about some of the scariest issues our world is facing. But your tone of voice is one of a kind dad telling his kids a bedtime story. Your videos are oddly soothing and unsettling at the same time. You clearly have a perspective that not many others could have, being of Ukrainian and Russian roots, and are also highly educated and have a great way with words in English. Thanks so much for your youtube channels! Also, nice piano!
Tracy thank you so so much!!! Hope you are well.
I remember listening to a JP-lecture back in 2015 while doing some boring manual labour at the bar I used to work at back then. I wouldn't remember ever listening to him if he didn't "blew up" like he did. Of all the lectures I listend to while working in an empty concert venue, his was one of the most forgetable. It's baffeling how this men became an international "intellectual instance" that certain people ascribe an extraordinary intellectual value to. I had more impressive professors at my "middle of the pack"-hometown-uni...
Some people psychologically crave a father figure. Perhaps because their own fathers are absent. So a bearded guy telling them to clean their room does it for them. It's kind of pathetic.
@@turtek12 there is a lot of projection here
Oh my gosh! I did not know that Putin attacked Ukraine because it is too woke! I m so glad Jordan Peterson can dumb down these complicated issues to a level we can grasp without having to think for ourselves.
I wish Ukraine to ve as woke is he tries to portray.
@@opa8928ruzzia is fighting a country of super-woke far-right people who are "basically russian anyway" 🤣
Chechnya was probably also too woke for Yeltsin and KGB =)
@@salganik I imagine so, even before woke was a thing, That is assuming woke is actually such a frightening concept now.
A very insightful talk, Vlad. Thank-you.
And a year on since the production of this video, it's even more clear to me now: few people need to speak with a (good) psychologist more than Dr. Jordan Peterson.
Thank you for taking time to be an example of rational thought.
My pleasure
As a retired teacher, I have experienced students whom not only have never had the skills to acquire knowledge but also expect that it is someone else's responsibility to make knowledge an entertainment, almost as if their attention can only be drawn to titillation. There is a 'celebritisation' in education. A profound skepticism of de-centering their own experience and attending to alternative perspectives.
Vlad, this is one of the reasons I value your productions is the reflexive critique of your own work and your sharing of your historical and political knowledge, that I have no knowledge of.
"who" rather than "whom", if I may. Just hope you weren't an English teacher ;)
@@marshuswp3325 I am sure “whom” is even more preferable than “who”. I am not an English teacher, but isn’t it a more polite version of “who”, at least in this context? Please, correct me if I am wrong.
@@allazharduisenbek9936 "who" is correct here, preferably with a minor change in word order. "Whom" would be used with prepositions such as by, to, with, of, from. Even when "whom" is correct it is rarely used colloquialy. "Whom" is not a matter of politeness but of formal correctness.
I am not a teacher, but I agree with the sentiment in broader terms, it's how I see many adults behaving. One word you used: "Scepticism" upsets me, not because I think you misused it in any way, just that many people such as the students you describe, unknowingly and completely misapply scepticism in their own outlooks. What scepticism is and how to use it are very important aspects of education that I think should be addressed at a very early age and NEVER stopped. Because without that full investigation of it what you get instead is this postmodernist outlook that one can and should choose a preferred truth.
To that I will just say, a lot of us dont lack the skill to acquire knowledge, its just the practise of the teacher makes it nearly impossible for us to do so. Not every person works the same, not every persons brain is dumb, just because they cannot memorise random facts without broader connections. Or simply cannot keep attention, if you are not engaging to listen or do not make us understand, what makes the information important to us and how it applies to our lifes. A lot of us dont try to be "spoilt", its just the brain that simply works differently than the society idolises and promotes with their typical school system. Many years I wondered why me, despite reaching good grades and getting through university, suffered so much during school years. Why everything seemed to be much more work for me than for other kids around me. I felt like a failure, despite achieving everything society expected me to. I felt so dumb, because society "rewarded me" with some stupid degrees, despite me knowing, I would not be able to remember nearly anything the highschool taught me nowadays. Now I dont beat myself up anymore, I just know my brain needed a different approach. Attention deficit is nothing rare nowadays, its rather regular thing. And its not our fault. So sure, we can do our best effort, but until society makes also some effort to accomodate the fact, that some of us "need to be entertained" to let our potential show itself, we will still feel or be perceived as "incapable to learn" or "lazy".
I am delighted to have discovered your channels…another absolutely engaging discussion, Vlad. So much to say in terms of my appreciation for your insight and truly thoughtful commentary…Suffice to say, Thank you.
Thank you for saying this. Means a lot.
The most important thing I have learned in my life is to say the words, ‘I don’t know.’ It took me 35 years.
Russian propagandist: "THE UKRAINIAN BIOLABS ARE CREATING A VIRUS DESIGNED TO TARGET THE GENE OF THE RUSSIAN RACE BLA BLA BLA."
You: "I don't know"
I also like this channel, and Vlad Vexler makes some good points but he took an L on this one. It doesn't actualy work like that, if you refuse to talk about topics you don't know much about you simply ceede ground to those who also know even less then you but who will spew their bulls*** at aproximately 3 lies per second.
@@jakobc.2558 nobody said you can't talk about topics you don't know much about. rather you shouldn't talk with certainty of things that you don't know much about.
Vlad. Yes. I have lectured. Since 1997. Undergraduate and postgraduate. UK. Europe including Poland. Norway. More. Published, obviously not the name here. I didn’t want to be more of a public academic. Nine languages, the levels vary. The point? I feel
qualified to say; I absolutely agree with you, utterly. I am extremely happy to have found you. I think that I know why you are assembling this carefully. Diffusing a mine can be a delicate operation. You have the toolkit to do it.
I don't have any formal education other than elementary school and I don't agree with Vlad on all that he says, however, I too agree with this video. I stopped watching JP because to me he comes across as arrogant, having an "expert" opinion on whatever people ask him about. I know my English ain't very good but then again it's one of the things I just picked up along the long and winding road that is my life (so far, I'm just 64).
I am glad you overcame your reluctance to deliver this. As an auto didact, I'm all too aware of my limitations, but I'm here to be informed, in order to understand and make better judgements. I watched JP's piece to camera last weekend and found it unsettling. There was condescension towards Ukraine, it might have been an unintended consequence, but nonetheless he focused on his cultural hobby horse and that struck me as inadequate.
The visuals, spoke with the calculation of a TV network evangelist, I hope this is a temporary abhoration. Keep up the good work, I look forward to all your valuable contributions.
Unsettling indeed, but not particularly surprising
He did seem uncomfortable so, yes, hoping for the temporary abhoration take, too.
aberration, not abhoration.
@@donnievance1942 Thank you for the correction, I should have checked it out.
Aye
"up yours, woke moralists. We'll see who cancels who"
Jordan has not been himself, since his daughter put him in a coma.
I used to like him - his older stuff is gold. He has lost a lot of his credibility the past few years.
I think he fried his brain.
@@MrRocksW you sure? i've found that with these type of talking heads, their old stuff isn't much better if you scrutinize it as much as their new stuff, but its less noticeable as more then often they weren't as famous in the past (sargon of akkad is a notorious example of this).
I think I'll have that second sentence printed on a t-shirt.
@@MrRocksW It was his older "stuff' that alerted any reputable psychologist, academic, or cognitive scientist to his overt behavioral presentations.
I am a fan of JP’s university lectures, the whole thing with symbolism and the amount of research data he brought up to the public. But I am also deeply saddened seeing his slowly descend into madness, at least that’s how I see it (without any clinical authority so it is just my opinion). I think his message and methods changed when he started the Bible Series and everything imploded after his huge ordeal with wife’s cancer and his ssri addiction :( As for myself I am not experienced in Russia as Vlad, but know a little having lived between Moscow and Krasnoyarsk for a year, and half of my friends are modern Russians. So what JP is talking sounds absolute BS on this subject. Really sorry to see a former great mind go down like this :(
Same. The lectures that went 'viral' are great. But now he is even difficult to listen to.
Perhaps a "Greta Mind", that has gone insane, might not have been so great to begin with. A great bridge tends to not collapse with a little bit of pressure and time, for example. Perhaps JP has simply gotten comfortable telling people what he really thinks.
I now doubt his expertise in psychology in general, and Jungian psychology. His lectures have been difficult to listen to anyway, but now I question whether he was truly a subject matter expert, or a charlatan the whole time.
@@arpandey698 A great bridge would make a terrible office building. People do need to stick with what they're good at.
@icky Vicky clown logic is the definition of JP post-trauma, very unfortunately. I still enjoy the old UoT lectures though.
Peterson is like Chat GPT, if you ask him a simple question he might give you a perfectly valid answer. But the moment you ask some really hard stuff, he will give a perfectly formulated and articulated complete-nonsens bs elaboration that sounds also perfectly valid on first glance but only if you don't dig deeper than an inch ...
I think the reluctance of people to acknowledge, “I don’t know” is one of the deepest flaws of our culture, perhaps our world. One who acknowledges, “I don’t know” can always study and learn. One who cannot say “I don’t know” is always in the position of having to cover his or her tush. We would do well to remember that Socrates’ wisdom was rooted in his awareness that he did not “know” anything.
this is a very good point. there's no shame in admitting when you don't know, or do not fully understand something. That condition can be corrected for. Otherwise, a person can end up sounding like Trump trying to answer a question about how he'd prioritize aspects of the US "nuclear triad" in his 2016 presidential primary debate.
And south/southwest asia cultures.
I have some room in my heart and mind for early JP talks.... But since his episode with SSRI addiction and his "treatment" and now an even more damning tell is his joining of the Daily Wire.... his drift towards grift is undeniable. He cares about his image and making the most money possible. Unfortunately in the USA, saying purposefully inflammatory things and intentionally getting kicked off social media are highly profitable activities. His latest commercial for his new spot on the Daily Wire is just more confirmation of this. I never went to university so this is like...just my opinion, man...
Yeah, he had points at the start about forced speech etc. but this is beyond stupid.
Daily Wire 🤮
@Tracchofyre. Thankyou for clarifying, I was unaware of the differences. I applaud your skillset. I'm sorry to hear about your mom... may she RIP.
Yes ideed (Daily Wire), following Trump's suit, so to speak, haha
@Tracchofyre your stress relief regime sounds inspired!
I think Jordan Peterson has actually lost his mind.. He sounds like an AI text to speech version of himself and isn't engaging at all honestly with his latest videos. He isn't a philosopher nor a political expert and yet is treated like both.. but that's where the money and popularity is at these days
He's got autoimmune disorders and is on fanatical diets to curb them. I'd say at the core of his issues are psychological. Bizarrely he is acting out precisely what he has warned against, being emotive and unbalanced.
He's adopted Jung's theses without understanding them fully nor understanding the limits and weaknesses of Jung's approach. This applies to all his thinking which zig zags around and fails to use academic rigour. He warns about demagogues and then does a bang-up impression of being one himself, albeit only with a crowd of internet followers.
At best he's an angry flake.
@@deborahcurtis1385 so he’s fanatical about his diet too, that doesn’t surprise me. JP is a very insecure and angry man, in my opinion. The way he talks sound like he’s at war with his own psyche and is spitting out his angry, incoherent and toxic substance to the world. I see that as being dangerous.
@@deborahcurtis1385 "He's got autoimmune disorders" So he says, but we don't know that this is true.
@@Benson_Bear No he's verified it and spoken openly about it, plus his daughter has them as well. They both are on very restrictive diets.
@@deborahcurtis1385 Like I said, he *claims* to have "auto immune" disorders, but we don't know that his claims are *true.* We don't have a doctor verifying it, or any more details about it. In other medical "news" he also claims he went 25 days in one month without any sleep whatsoever, and attributes it to some apple cider he drank. I agree his public performance shows him to be an "angry flake" and I don't see any good reason to believe claims like this that he has made about things we have no way of verifying.
I have a simple philosophy: If I haven't lived in a country for at least one year, then I will not even dare to make statements about anything substantial. And even then I still prefix it with "From what I experienced".
Even then it would just be tentative statements, I have lived in Belarus for a year over 5 years ago and I still learn new stuff now that makes me see many experiences I have made in different ways. It is crazy how so many people assume they know everything about another place for no particular reason or because they were there on holiday once.
This works both ways of course, one of my most vivid memories of Belarus is so many people lecturing me about the European Union (don't get me started on them seeing it as one big country), flat out telling me that I am wrong, because they traveled some capitals by bus in a week. They were so adamant on some things that I even started doubting my memories, especially as I moved around a lot and haven't been really living in my home country for over ten years now.
The power of somebody who just loudly and adamantly enough claims something is not to be underestimated. Sadly often drowning the less confident voices of people that know better, but also know they are no experts and don't dare to act as confidently in their rebuttal. I would not even dare to make such confident statements about my homecountry than Peterson does about Russia and Ukraine.
Well said
I'd add speaking the language to that. I've met plenty of expats who have been living in certain countries for years, in their little expat and online bubble, and know nothing about local culture, mentality and language.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning True, even if they know the language, expats are often a special breed out of touch not only with their native homecountry's circumstances but also not fully understanding the culture in their new home. They often feel like they know both perfectly though.
That was actually what made me very sceptical of Vlad at the start, because I've met too many Russian expats who did not even make lots of sense to my limited knowledge of Russia. One should not forget that expats often are the (very) rich from a country, not really having an unbiased but sheltered view on events in their home country. I've had Russian friends who seriously said that Russia is on the same level as Western Europe, because they lived in one of the few big cities where that was the case. Really thinking that most Russians live that way. So mad respect for Vlad to actually keep up with events that well.
This video has made me think more critically about so many things, please keep up the good work.
"Democracy is tethered to the practiced virtue of truthfulness."
In that simple statement eloquence meets profundity . 🤯💥mind blowing
That was beautifully done Vlad.
Thank you for sharing your genius with us.
May i say if all this was between the covers of some University text book very few of us would get to hear your voice.
Thank you for making your gifts available to the rest of us 'web crawlers'.
Yes this quote about democracy is profound....It actually is what is missing now more and more! There seems to be almost no one you can believe any more, & even goes far beyond politicians.....We desperately need more truth, more transparency in our governments, health care systems, & personal lives! There is absolutely no security, no acceptable way forward without truth!
A very important point. Vlad - this is a wonderful service you are doing.
“Be suspicious of yourself” is going to be my go to
Good on ya', Vlad! ( as the Aussies say ) We salute you for taking this head on! You could have have demurred. It's to your everlasting credit that you didn't flinch in the face of a "celebrity thinker" taking on something perhaps beyond his ken. This is how we learn. I squirm when JP wanders into theology. It's not his bailiwick, and it shows.
Thank you Gerald. Look forward to directly commenting on JP in the future. This had the potential for a viral video, if edited and put on the main channel. But I just didn't want to go there. I felt it may have inflated our community, but not in a healthy way at this stage.
@@VladVexlerChat Vlad, That, in my opinion, was the right decision. After all, a little humility goes a long way to further the cause of productive dialogue and even reconciliation of divergent viewpoints.
So the Dunning-Kruger effect exists among "Experts" too, although I often think it is a masculine thing too. Peterson sometimes will admit he's just talking on the top of his head when asked a question, which is good in a "brain storming" session among people with divergent knowledge who can offer push back, but BAD when you're positioning yourself as a "professor" who is not in a position to have anyone immediately available to challenge his assumptions and blind spots.
Predominantly among experts. The original Dunning-Krueger concept was that experts in one area apply their over-confident expertise to another area (possibly one with superficial similarities but key difference)
I always find it Ironic, using the Dunning Kruger effect to dress down others
@@CaligulavVv It would seem we're all vulnerable, so unsure if the label is dressing-down or a warning about the hubris of self-confidence. Probably no one can handle 2.8 million followers well.
And if your followers WANT to to be a guru, how do you turn down that grandiosity. It seems better to idolize dead people, if you must, people who will not be harmed by your projective numinousity.
@@aresmars2003 I'm sorry your reply is no more than gibberish.
Do you have an actual point amongst that diatribe?
@@CaligulavVv How about celebrity destroys anyone's integrity? I was trying to show sympathy for JP's misfortune of too much attention.
I just.saw a video from JP from 7 years ago where he was teaching.some students about the nature of the Soviet Union - Stalins terror, gulag, the huge numbers killed etc. His take was that it was shocking that so.many people were ignorant. Now he gone to a position of partly excusing the invasion. Extraordinary.
Hi Vlad, I hope your having a real good week, I have a spinal cord injury & blood clots in both of my lungs, so I know the struggles in & out of our bodies. I stay positive as I can, but find I'm not as positive as I think am. Pain overwhelms me now that I'm in my 60s. Thank you for my sanity. Phil from Boston Ma
As a Russian being inside Russia can confirm that a civil war is almost real (it's just not a real war): between people and the government between people and people (with different positions), between even members of the same family. Me and dozens of my friends have really hard time talking to the parents (which are mostly pro-war) some even stopped talking with them.
Why are Russian parents mostly pro-war? What for exactly?
@@negy2570 mostly because they watch TV or use yandex for their web search (where the news are carefully crafted by the state and explains why the war is the right thing to do) and don't question anything. Some of them are just happy with the fact Russia is breaking rules and doing whatever it wants to do and no one can do anything with that. Some of them are just happy someone (Ukranians) now are having more crappy live then them.
TV gives you plenty of good justifications to pick up, people select the one which suits them best. Initially, my parents believed in denazification, then they believed Ukraine should belong to Russia, last time I spoke they considered the war as a mistake (but since Russia started it must win), haven't spoken with them for a couple months on that maybe something changed. The most insane versions from people I know: Europe has no free space left and that's why Europe is attacking Russia to get its territories (and Russia is fighting back).
The most broad answer on "Why" - for Russia's and Ukraine's good. Given the presupposition imprinted within Russian culture "we Russians are great Russians and we know how Ukranians (not so great Russians) should live their life for their and our good". That's why everything bad about Ukraine from TV is taken without question.
@@andrewzhukov304 wow
Thank you so much for caring to answer to my comment in such an exhaustive way.
It all makes sense, unfortunately.
I see patterns of thinking and behaviour of older generations everywhere and concerning just any matter.
Indeed it is divisive for families and they seem not to care.
How's life going now, 8 months later since you made the comment from within Russia?
@@willek1335 well, little portion of war supporters get skeptical, generally almost nothing have changed. People mostly stays on their positions taken on 24th 2022. In my view people stopped talking about the war, cause now it's dangerous - you may be reported and punished for taking anti-war stance. Civil war is latent, there is 3 forces: the Putin regime, anti-war people and full-nazi-use-nukes people. However surprisingly very little people want to go to the war (even among nazis - it's better to be nazi in front of Putins TV) - almost any supporter I met on my suggestion to go to war is telling me "I will come if they call me" (with a great hope it will never happen).
Jordan Peterson is a cautionary tale for all of us. Vlad, be careful - I mean this with respect, amity, and genuine care about you personally. I've seen many friends and family, who, when confronted with or in proximity to long term illness, descend into extreme ideology - left, right, or otherwise. I think JP was already headed down the rabbit hole long ago.
I find JP a sad story. At the beginning, he had many interesting points and seemed genuinely concerned with truth and its pursuit. He seemed ready to accept criticism, and even to recognize he was wrong if it could be proved with reasonable arguments that he was. Now... it seems his own disease has taken its toll, and his claims have become more and more distant from reality. I look at him and see someone who is suffering and transfering this suffering onto others -- it's all the fault of "cultural marxism"!... I say "it's sad" in the truest sense of the word: I wished it weren't so, I wished his life were such that he could make better and more accurate observations about the world around him. Alas, as time goes by, this seems to be less and less the case.
Vlad has been dealing with chronic illness for almost 20 years. If he hast fallen into extremism yet due to illness, I don’t think he will. Also, I think at this point the depth he has in his soul, combined with the knowledge he has and the awareness he has about limitations we have as human beings, including himself, pretty much prevents him to fall into that rabbit hole. If he does, he has people like you, me and others to remind him of that danger. 😉
Vlad descending into extreme ideology? Well thankfully he is nowhere there yet. Just let me know when he is there and I will make a point to cancel him. Thanks for the warning.
@@jeffbetts9420 I don’t think that’s going to happen. Honestly. It’s a bit absurd to me that someone is worried about that.
@@Asehpe Agreed Asehpe. It's really sad. He could've rallied people around Ukraine's fight for Western values but instead feel the need to have his own stupid take on it just to be unique.
Glad to see more pushback on JBP. Dude's lectures rooted in his practice have been good, but the second he stepped off that train and started going into free speech and politics he's been more ideologically driven.
Well his predictions on the free speech topic were pretty much spot on. What is politics if its not ideology. The idea that man can rule over man without becoming hijacked by corruption has yet to be witnessed. The world has never been smaller and people never had access to information so readily available yet as a whole we seem to be moving backwards
@@independentinstallations8419 on free speech, JBP speaks from the 20th century, where individuals make statements in a public sphere that come directly from their independent consciousness and rationalization. They can be questioned, and they can be held accountable for what they say in that space, and their minds can be changed through conversation. In the 21st century, we have coordinated media ecosystems that will shout the same slogans and talking points from radio to social media, bots (or multiple accounts) that act like a choir even when few or no human beings share that idea, and economic dynamics where money and power and access can influence who is seen and heard.
JBP talks like free speech is an even playing ground in the 21st century, as though we are all standing in a public square. Yes, he does that, but many of the people and groups he speaks on behalf of are not individuals standing their ground, saying things that they are willing to take responsibility for. And those groups and people need to be held accountable for what they say.
Geopolitics is definetly not his domain
@@nenickvu8807 So you're saying because certain groups aren't held accountable for what they say we need the governments help to make it fair? I believe fully in taking responsibility for impact of our words. If you're going to speak out against someone then be prepared to back it up. That is where it should end though is between those 2 people unless there is accusations being made of criminal behavior. There is a lack of resilience in the younger generations which is driving much of this issue. Thin skin easily offended by the words of a stranger.
@@independentinstallations8419 younger generations? You do understand that the "don't say gay", and book banning folks are christian conservatives, who JBP would gladly support their "right to free speech?" You have to understand that JBP's free speech rhetoric is being used as a means for groups already in power to reinforce their hate speech and even create...wait for it....anti free speech legislation. Laws can be used to protect ideas and people and lifestyles, especially new ones or ones with few people, while the establishment can use laws to crush and stifle them. Why doesn't JBP fight the don't say gay law? It's very nature is anti free speech. In fact, where do you stand on that law?
JP was someone I admired ardently. He expressed his views on freedom of expression and society so genuinely it was hard to disagree. His vilification from people who never heard him speak cemented my view on “the left” from 2015-2017. He was such an important figure along with all the other mouthpieces from that time (Shapiro, Milo (though I never agreed with him), among others, now Tucker and his others).
This rightward shift of many previously apathetic members of society created a following of Trump and conservatism which was up to that point struggling through Bush and Obama.
JP and many on the right now hold the views expressed by him, namely: A culture war is waging and the right must resist this. While Peterson certainly is a rational person he has become a reactionary from 2017 onward. You can see his demeanor become less genuine and more disgusted. He became more serious and moody, his talks were always underscored by this vibe.
His mental state also diminished during this time as he opened up about this on his channel especially during his hiatus. However, now he is back and more opinionated than ever. Less so an intellectual who was a target of the mob and now an unconscious asset of Putin’s hegemonic strategy.
JP claims to be defending the west yet, through his “defense”, he is actually doing so much to underscore what we call western values. He is willing to sacrifice the bedrock of liberty in order to spite the left. He is not an intellectual anymore, he is a talking head with a following, which can only be resisted through spirited debate and an analytical mind.
Precisely!
Idk, he has always been easy to dunk on. His chaos demons, his lies about Kanada's pro trans legistrature, his strange admiration for htler
The mere mention of Tucker puts me a bad mood. He's an absolute blowhole. I can't think of anyone more disingenuous.
JP has always been a mixed bag for me. Some things he's said (prior to his medicinal issues) really rang true to me, other things he said seemed to be an attempt at convincing atheists to act like Christians even if they don't believe in God. After his breakdown, he's become a demagogue. Like you said, simply spiteful towards those who labeled him as far-right. As if he decided "Oh, you think I'm far-right? I guess I'll have to prove you right.".
He seems to be using what we call the Socratic method, a sort of philosophical midwifery. But he’s slick, he makes leaps and generalizations. Respice finem.
It reminds me a lot of past gurus I have disliked, and will probably not be the last guru I mock.
I had a look at the jungian chaos charts and the very wordy explanations that seemed to abruptly stop.
Imagine someone dedicating their whole life in a subject ,years of study , University time, research papers , years of teaching and learning about the subject and finally being an expert in a particular subject and we have a guy who comes up with "well in my opinion " .
As someone who spent 12 years in university, I have about as much respect for scholarship and the dedication to scholarship as anyone I know. However, I have learned to also respect the observations of the less educated.
The privilege of having had the resources to devote to learning, should not impart arrogance but, if we learned anything, humility.
I admit that humility has not given me patience for the opinions of the who I see as repeating hateful lies, but that's nothing to be proud of since there are more useful ways to respond to any comment...jt
One thing I learned from my 4 years of university on a subject is that I have no idea of anything about that subject. I learned to shut up in university, if that makes any sense. Seeing people who have no experience on the subject talking like they know stuff is therefore a mystery. Vlad explains it quite well.
To a certain extent, it is necessary to be able to tell an authority you disagree with him, even if you have very inferior knowledge.
Because authorities can have their own biases, they can get things wrong that can affect you, and they're subjects to fads.
I dont think most experts predicted the 2007 crash, for example. There is the current controversy about trans issues, redefining what man and women mean, and before that there were scandals like lobotomy, and iirc, stuff like overreaction to cholesterol, with statins medication.
I've got a hard time to take anything what Jordan Peterson says serious.
To me he is mainly driven by three things:
1. how can I make money.
2. how can I build my own legacy.
3. and how can I fight criticism.
his contributions are dictated by this.
also his unhealthy relationship with social media (especially twitter) has blinded him.
Is there any other intellectual with a similar twitter history?
and then his stunt to get suspended from the platform, where he pretends he don't know what got him 'in trouble' only to make a video of it, know one can convince me that this wasn't deliberate.
and regarding his Ukraine video: his "But... but... but..." was most likely just that he lost where he was on his manuscript and not because the next 'thing' is that important.
hope I made mayself clear, english is not my first language.
Oh, you do it well. I think you write better than a lot of native speakers do, these days. This "know", should be "no", though: "only to make a video of it, know one can convince me that this wasn't deliberate." English is only deceptively simple, and we actually have a much lower grade level for reading compared to the French, German, Spanish, etc young kids. It's because of our horribly inconsistent orthography and all the homophones.
I am tempted to look up and learn about the Jordan Peterson twitter drama, but then again, it will probably just piss me off :/
No you do not . You are not criticizing his arguments. Saying that he is doing it to make money or to leave a legacy are completely worthless unless you can produce evidence to back them up and even then they do not deal with what Peterson actually says. It is not your lack of English which is letting you down.
@@tincoffin
"You are not criticizing his arguments."
Of course not, that was never my intent, I'am dismissing Peterson entirely, all I see is a performance.
"...unless you can produce evidence to back them up"
that are my impression of him, how can I have evidence.
every video is heavily monetize, his over charging for live tickets, he was promoting his Patreon all the time until they kicked him of (as far as I remember) and more all while he had a normal job.
could go on here but I see no point in it, you can dismiss that all with one sentence of course.
...also that the "culture war" has something to do with what happens in Ukraine is mental, I never want to get in that discussion.
@@kristalkristal2506 oh, thx for pointing that out -> "know one can convince"
now I see it and it's awful, I try to remember it.
Wow, considering that your English is very good indeed! I also agree with you on Peterson in general.
Sören Kierkegaard once observed that "We only understand life backwards, but we must live it forwards." A more pithy version of this is the maxim "Hindsight is 20-20." The war in Ukraine, and the identity politics phenomenon, both very real and extremely confusing to navigate as we plod forward, make me grateful for thinkers like Vlad Vexler. He doesn't pretend to have all the answers, but his intellectual approach to finding them is so genuine, so engaging, and so thoroughly enjoyable that a person must must just sit down, listen, and ponder again and again what he is saying. In Dante's "Inferno", the perplexed Pilgrim has no idea what is around the next corner ( or in the next circle ); he is living hell forward. He needs a guide to try to help him make sense of it all. We all need our Virgils. Vlad, you are one such. We are grateful.
Thank you Gerald. I can see that a certain proportion of my UA-cam community does not believe that hyper identity politics is real and a problem. I look forward to talking about directly in the future. I regard it as a top 5 and perhaps top 3 threat to western democracy. This position should be available to one whatever one’s political views. That this problem is most visibly problematised by self indulgent intellectual entrepreneurs doesn’t help.
Amen.
@@VladVexlerChat Did you end up recording a video about this? Thank you
@@VladVexlerChat
Vlad, "identity politics" is real to the extent that it is used to hurt real people. It is a crude tool of propaganda that, like a broad sword, cuts both ways.
I understand that, from the perspective of Hitchcocks's crane, it looks like proles mud-wrestling, but for those of us who chose to live close to the targets of the recurrent use of this "political technology" it takes on a different meaning... a sort of honorable futility - one that is very frustrating. One knows that battle on that level makes no sense politically - the optics almost always suck - but to abandon it leaves the defenseless undefended.
For more than 20 years I did & directed street outreach to drug users (in the US; in Latin America; in Eastern Europe, including Moscow and in a modified way in Africa). After 23 years of public health work, I moved to the South of France and resumed the quiet life of a poet and photographer, exhausted from the daily struggle that is part of the resistance to public prejudice marshalled by "culture war" propaganda.
These are battles that involve the spilling of the blood of real people - FYI: not mine, I was privileged before I started & when I left - but the lives of working people who are hunted, to implement the fantasies of those who seek to divide us politically.
Drug users, LGB, Transgender, Muslims in India, Jews in Egypt or..., Palestinians in Israel, women, witches, Uyghurs, albinos, Tutsis, freethinkers, scientists... whatever the color code of the week is that gives bullies a green light to attack the vulnerable, as frustrating as it is to do it, I still hold that it is essential to defend those targeted by the political tool of weaponized hate speech. If we break solidarity with the excluded, we are left with nothing to build the foundation for the future for a more stable future.
Hope is a virtue; optimism is an attitude.
I have more optimism than hope.
...jt
Thank you for you thoughtful analysis of ... everything...jt
Just discovered your channel and subscribed. You seem to really bring insight and clarity to what’s going on in Ukraine. Thanks for that!
I admit I was totally on the Jordan Peterson bandwagon a few years ago. The whole transgender movement seemed really new and confusing, with the pronouns at the time, I’m actually liberal/left leaning on economic/fiscal issues, but moderate on the social issues. I’m against bigotry, but I’m also cautious and prone to drawing a line and putting my foot down on shouldering the burden of social problems just because I’m a straight, white make so get it. I feel like I only have so much energy to devote to thinking about issues that specifically affect women, people of color, and lgbt folks, because the more universal issues of class, economics, war/foreign policy, and the environment consume my focus - so yeah I totally understand getting turned on to Peterson at least at first.
But lately he’s just lost the plot. I’ve made my peace with the various social movements, BLM, the trans movement, #metoo, are not asking for a blood sacrifice from my white male body or anything of that. They’re just expressing their experiences. It’s not a threat to my autonomy.
As I’ve moved past all that - I’ve started to see Peterson and others as grifters who are looking to cash in on grievances and frustrations.
Checkout decoding the gurus podcast, from your journey you might enjoy it.
I am annoyed by woke cancel culture progressives as much as the next guy but to bring that up when Ukraine is being systematically bombed, citizens murdered, and their sovereignty stolen from them is insane. JP might be losing his mind.
I'm trans and used to listen to Peterson, I was pretty tired of the lgbt my way or the highway kind of thinking.
He's speaking way over his head here. I guess we all need to think for ourselves and not follow groups or people blindly in a cult mindset.
Just because Peterson went crazy, doesn't mean wokeness is fine. Transgenders have nthing to do with pronouns nonsense. A real transwoman doesn't need demand to call her "she" because everyone would her that anyway.
@@BigChiken44 Exactly.
Vlad, I am so glad you did this video. First - I have been a great admirer of Jordan Peterson for the past couple of years. There is a lot I chose to like about him. Then he did that Piers Morgan interview and my admiration bubble started to deflate.
My issue with Jordan became that he is better sticking to psychology analysis and to be more careful make remarks about war progress and the powers of the leading participants. Jordan appears to me to be oblivious to *some* the issues underpinning Putin's ambitions. The control of energy and the money it earns. Putin's ability to block energy exploitation by the countries around Russia such as around the Caspian Basin. Putin's outright desire to block Ukrainian access to the large gas & oil reserves under the Donbas and around the Crimea. And that Russia's economy is indeed teetering on the brink of a major downward slide.
These are just a *few* issues I have with Jordan's over simplification of the war.
Thanks for your insights
I have watched a lot of Petterson's old lectures and will be forever grateful to him for introducing me to Nietzsche, Jung and Dostoevsky, but at this point it looks like he is more interested in making money off his ideas than anything else.
I think he's a bit unhinged TBH.
The academic Bernard Schiff who hired him at Toronto University has written a mea culpa published 2018 explaining how his lapse in judgement (and friendship with Peterson which later soured) has had a colossal negative impact on the social and academic discourse.
It's well worth catching up on do a search I-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous
It's now subscriber-locked but here's an interview with Schiff, who says Peterson is surrounding himself with angry people, and he doesn't have academic rigour, he distorts science for instance. Further he's a self-styled martyr and self-styled saviour. He's encouraging misogyny, homophobia and nastiness. He's attacked the academic world and encouraged emotional reactions rather than considered rigorous thought.
There's also an interview with Schiff about his book, backing his criticisms of Petersen.
Why Petersen he be any different on the issue of Ukraine?
I feel the same way
Exactly, and I stress the "grateful" word for me.
Peterson has gone all religious, but whether that is because of his mental/emotional deterioration or the other way around... not sure. But I'm definitely not following him now except for some of his interviews.
@@RubarRugli if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
I am an electrical engineer and I listened to a discussion on energy policy by Jorden Peterson. Same problem. His opinions were painfully naive and wildly out of date.
He gets on interesting people then just spouts off his usual talking points for 80% of the interview. Why not ask your guest a question, rather than use a question to make the same statement you make every week?
Frustrating.
Thank you for making this Video I've been waiting for something like this. Because JP is a psychologist, not a climate scientist or a philosopher nor a geopolitical analyst. And I think that he' s a victim of his own success. He now thinks that He knows everything better in every field . And the result is He tries to be a climate scientist (who thinks that climate Change is totaly natural And humanity has nothing to do with it, drawing his "knowledge" on studies financed by oil and gas companies) same often applies to what he talks about regarding philosophy and especially geopolitics. Pls Mr Peterson just be a psychologist thats the only field youre a cirtified expert in. Also thinking russia is part of western civilization and that every american problem is autmatically a world problem is just unebelievable ignorant in my opinion.
Having studied the subject he's not even good in Pyschology. His bosses describe him as having a tendency to make bullshit up, and most of what he does say is outdated psychology (such as Jung), and barebones self help advice. On the latter end he's just a different framing of the same philosophies of Goop
he's not even a good psychology researcher IMO, and hasn't been relevant in the field for some time
To paraphrase, 'to demand a world without destructive speech is to demand a world without human beings.' Vexler's somewhat longer statement is a brilliantly rich defense of free speech.
I really appreciated this video. Thank you Vlad 😊
To my mind, explaining away Ukraine's fight for survival and independence as anything less than that is just plain disgusting. People are risking everything for liberty. That deserves applause and aid. The West was excited at first by Ukraine's heroism, but the thrill wore off and now that basic struggle is brushed aside as pundits look for ways to disengage. Yes, it is painful to watch a nationcide, so look away and call it intelligent discourse. Humph. Additionally, the other countries in Eastern Europe who are aware of Russia's imperialism - they are the experts too. I meet immigrants from Eastern Europe where I live and what they say is very simple and miles away from the smart alecks on the right.
You do not have all the facts. Russia was provoked. How do you think the USA would react if in Canada they were building weapons of mass destruction which would target the DNA of Americans??
That is what happened in Ukraine. My family is ethnically Ukrainian going back generations, however I was born in Canada. I do NOT support this war and the only people who are losing are the local people with whom I do have friends and family living there.
I would do exactly what Putin did to protect Russia from the attack. The current President of Ukraine is literally an actor and a puppet of the USA CIA/deep state.
These are the same people that assassinated JFK. They were also involved in a recent sandal where these people were investigated for pedophilia, child pornography, child sex trafficking for the purpose of Satanic ritual abuse. These are really evil people and you should not trust them. They are also tried to Jerry Epstein, Gisselle Maxell and also Disney's child pedophilia grooming. There was but one arrest but then it was all shut down due to "national security".
On a much deeper level this war is a contest between Putin's Russia and Jacob Rothchild in England and also the Rockefellers in the USA for control of Homogamy in that sphere of the world. These people control the legacy corporate media. Unless you find alternative media sources you are going to swallow the narrative that they are feeding you.
They might be now that Russia invaded the country.
But this whole war started long before Putin invaded Ukraine en mass and sent the people in kiev running for the air raid shelters.
Ask the people in the Donbas how many years they have been using air raid shelters.
Liberty? You dont know much about Ukraine, its government or its laws do ya? Lol ... liberty ... in Ukraine...
They are not risking it for liberty at all, they are now fighting for their lives because they were ready willing and able to try and oppress an ethnic minority.
The problem was that ethnic minority had some powerful friends just across the border who were not willing to watch as their own people were being murdered in their own homes.
In a free and democratic society the people should have the right to choose their own government.
The voter turnout of the Donbas, which is a matter of public record, make their dissatisfaction with the present far right aligned government.
If you doubt they are aligned with the far right then just look at wikipedia and see who paid for his political campaign. They wouldnt back him if he wasnt what you think he isnt.
@@BigChiefWiggles They outlawed all opposition political parties. The CIA/Deep State Puppet now can not be overthrown politically. The only option now is by force!! There are a lot of arm chair quarterbacks that need to get their information from other sources than the legacy MSM.
Peterson ironically is like Chomsky on this issue. It’s essentially a knee-jerk contrarianism.
You comment proves you know NOTHING about Noam Chomsky and unlike Jordan Peterson Mr Chomsky IS an expert on a whole host of subjects, so much so that he has written enough books to fill a library and who has NEVER had a knee-jerk reaction in his life, but on the contrary ALWAYS relates calmly his widely knowledgable opinions with verifiable facts in great detail. Where JP just pushes peoples buttons to get a lot of Pavlov's dogs to bounce their heads up and down like a bobble doll by appealing to their ignorance and biases preventing and protecting the terminally LAZY from thinking for themselves!! Kinda like YOU!!
Chomsky and Peterson are two sides of the same coin... Chomsky talks a lot about stuff he knows nothing about.
@@amichaelthomas83 While Chomsky is egregiously wrong on Ukraine, he's not talking outside his lane. Chomsky is a life-long student and analyst of modern US history in the geopolitical context. You may not like his take, but he has more knowledge of the vast detail of US foreign affairs than almost anyone alive. Unfortunately, his paradigm of excessive US manipulation of world affairs has led him to an erroneous ascription of US responsibility for this invasion.
@@donnievance1942 The US directly "invested" $300 million in helping topple Volodymyr (the Russian friendly Ukrainian President) - the US has become the very thing it sought itself to not be. An empire builder.
Except they do it in different manners.
The US interfered, scared the Russians who in turn (wrongly) invaded.
Sadly.
Two cheeks of the same arse.
Your video's are fantastic man. I implore you to keep them going because I only see this growing and growing. The quality speaks for itself and you're an excellent teacher.
How kind!
Very good video, thank you. I feel reminded of Richard David Precht here in DE right now. He is a philosopher and author and has very, very firm opinions on anything from climate change to culture wars and of course Ukraine. Of course, he would never admit to them being opinions.
While he is more on the left, he is strongly in the camp "Ukraine can never win this war and must surrender immediately to minimize the suffering because of the war".
And of course, despite being on TV constantly on everything, he now wrote a book about how the media suppresses his voice. And goes even more on TV to market his book about being suppressed....
Yes, I thank you for all these insights especially explaining why a US audience is captured by rhetoric like that of Jordan Peterson, about the increasing unwillingness of people to want life long learning instead of constantly viewing self as the one with all the answers, & comments about narcissism/self importance of certain countries.
I find myself agreeing emphatically with some of what Jordan Peterson says and finding other things he says total nonsense. That is frustrating and makes things harder but somehow makes me think it's the right position. In this instance, it's obviously insane to think that Putin is invading because of identity politics.
He's the Goebbels of the modern right. Adds just enough truth to lies to make them pass. At least he used to, because now he's unhinged and he no longer cares about euphemisms and just "tells it like it is". Welcome to the honest JP. There are people who saw right through his grift straight ahead. It was subtle, but they're my compass now when it comes to subtle fascist messaging.
This is a good sign. It means you are thinking for yourself, instead of simply looking to someone else for answers.
I think Vlad gave us a clue as to why that is in this video when he said that experts in one field should have the humility to admit that they don't know the answer when the question at hand is outside their field. Peterson is a good clinical psychologist and he makes a lot of sense when he speaks about the human psyche. Any other topic and Jordan talks out of his ass.
@@13tuyuti i would squint harder on jordan peterson if i were you, ask any psychologist about him and you'll learn he has never been a recognized figure in the field of psychology at all
@@sperzieb00n well, he was given a job as a university professor. I can't tell if his research is considered important but at least he is an actual psychologist. On matters of psychology I have found him enlightening on occasion. On matters of politics he says stuff that is so ignorant that I don't believe that he actually believes them.
That's such a brilliant take on JPs stuff on Ukraine. I'm so tired of this American exeptionalism in Noam Chomsky, Mersheimer, Jordan Peterson etc. So many brilliant people who do well in their respective areas of expertise are completely out of depth here and became useful idiots of Putin's propaganda 😑
Well done commentary sir!
Masz w 100 procentach racje
xD Mike Pence supports Ukraine though
Thank you for working on a long-form JP video! I have been thinking about him due to the extreme irrationality and hatefulness of the things he’s been saying recently.
I look forward to sharing it soonishly
Bravo Vlad, please keep talking and producing more and more wisdom which is so lacking these days in everyday speak.
"I DO NOT KNOW." As someone who trained public health outreach workers for over 20 years, I see those four words as the first lesson & in the end the most important lesson learned by all who work in public health. In medical terms it constitutes the standing-on-one-leg version of the oath that commands us FIRST, DO NO HARM.
In Moscow, in the mid 1990s, I remember pulling up to the curb in front of a bakery, to buy loaves of bread from an old woman standing in snow or slush (depending on the day) in a too thin coat and down-at-heel boots, so she could earn a few kopeks delivering bread from the bakery 20 steps away. Since I did not go to Russia to get rich, that recurrent experience formed the image of my poetic incite into the collapse of the Russian economy, or, more precisely I think, the acknowledgement that the SOVIET economy had long collapsed and this was the time of vultures.
Noam Chomsky is the same as Peterson. Its why I really like Normal Finkelstein. He is an expert in Israel-Palestine but doesnt feel the need to weigh in on every other conflict on Earth. Chomsky does and with no ambiguity or understanding of the people or actors and what they think.
Chomsky's entire ideology boils down to, "America bad", and therefore conversely everything and everyone against America is not as bad. It's fucking exhausting.
@@ameerhamid89 Agreed.
I can't believe I watched all 45 minutes! Thank you. I wondered a bit about your talk of expertise, because I considered Mearsheimer and Chomsky experts, and sided with them until I reached out to my friend in Lithuania, and heard Slavoj Zizek speak in the opposite direction. I will never be an expert, but I got some experience singing the Orthodox liturgy in a choir at a Patriarchal Church in SF. I was so ecstatic singing my part in the four part harmony that I went and spoke to the priest about converting. I changed my mind when I saw how narrow-minded he was. I went to the Soviet Union in 1975, but was disillusioned. I guess you could say I have a love/hate relationship with Russia! I guess they should stick to their expertise in Classical Music, Opera, Ballet, Literature. They're not so expert at politics and governing! Anyway, thanks for helping me sort through my confusion over what to make of this situation!
Thank you so much for sharing this. I think Re JM we can say that he is certainly an expert in international relations theory. But he is victimized by his own expertise, which invited him to normalise Russia’s conduct without analysing it close up.
Timothy Snyder is a Ukraine historian at Yale, he has the most "professional" and informed perspective on Ukraine - you might enjoy his videos.
As a health care professional, I am deeply grateful for this discussion.
As a person who has watched numerous friends and relatives:
- Be told the best course of treatment for their knee pain, back pain, or shoulder pain, was a corticosteroid injection, without being told the injection would both lead to elevated risk of joint degradation and prohibit prompt surgeries...
- Be told cardiac ablation was the best course of treatment for heart palpitations without consideration of electrolytes...
- Be told an asymmetrically abnormally cold hand and arm, coupled with serious pain, was "just Reynaud's," only to end up in emergency surgery for a major arterial blood clot days later...
- Be told to go home and get some rest, you'll be fine, when she had fractured vertebrae...
- Be taken off heparin unilaterally by a nurse in an ICU setting because of minor superficial controlled bleeding, without consideration for that blood clot in the inferior vena cava...
... Along with too many more such instances to name, I find it difficult to simply respect or defer to "the experts." Certainly there are discussions to be had, and certainly there are a preponderance of the uneducated who are serenely confident in their opinions, but in the medical field in particular, there are an appalling number of mistakes, and unacknowledged conflicts of interest, and unnecessary or preventable instances of harm, all of which should have some reasonable means of accountability and recourse, and all of which reasonably and legitimately contribute to an environment of mistrust of health care professionals.
I've been following Peterson for many years, and I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. He has tremendous value as a public figure when it comes to his expertise (Clinical Psychology). There were many people who needed to hear what he had to say, and his words have helped many people (including myself in some respects). That's why it disappoints me to hear his take on this war, for many of the reasons you outlined. Sometimes people get too focused on what they see as issues and project it larger than it has to be.
Also, I'm glad I found your channel. I like the way you think, and how much respect you give to topics. Even when it contradicts my perspectives, its always done with class and a lot of thought behind it.
I think a municipality-appointed therapist can tell me I need routines in my life and do so for a much lower cost. Gurus take very basic pop psychology and expect to be treated as fonts of wisdom for it.
Dear Vlad! You are so precise here!! In order to give space to other boxes of realities than our own, first of all, we must realize that we do not know much. Socrates proclaimed: “I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either”.
More than 2000 years later, Roosevelt said: Never underestimate a man who overestimates himself. Maybe the most dangerous overestimation is created in the unawareness of what we do not know. In fact, the world is, to a large extent, ruled by such mindsets.
'it's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt' - Mark Twain
Today we are "skipping developmental processes of knowledge acquisition." Brilliantly put!! The only way to counter the self-assured ignorance of those like Peterson is to present things more accurately, which you have done here, thank you so much!! 🙏
Clare thank you!
Watched JP's talk on Ukraine thoroughly. I think he's just echoing his "left-wing marxists are evil" mantra on top of whatever audible topic he finds. Completely agree with Vlad on point that public intellectuals moving out of their expertise lanes do more harm than good. Myself being 5 year ex-pat out of Ukraine, I already missing a lot of context and oftentimes abstain of explaining current events in Ukraine to my circle. I don't even know how less of context JP can have if he builds his opinion just upon Mearsheimer argument and attachment to Dostoyevsky's and Solzhenitsyn's works (why not Vernadsky and Strugatsky's for example?). Thanks to Vlad for his gentle approach to such discussion, waiting for JS phenomena essay.
Іордан Петрович, здається, трошки застряг у наративі. Йому б в село, на картоплю.
JP claims that professors are brainwashing students. /The Communist Manifesto/ is one of Marx's skinniest works. Even if I assigned it, I can't get 75% to even read the eight-page syllabus/course outline, so there's a very, very real reality check.
The section on 'expertise' here is dense with vital truths that belong front and center to our political discourse in all Western democracies. What a breath of fresh air. Your practical advice on how to address rampant lies IN THE MOMENT is an especially keen medicine.
It has been highly anxiety inducing in America to address this, among my friends and family and neighbors. Some real ringers here I will definitely be quoting!
So relieved I'm not the only one ranting about this (crisis of expertise and knowledge generation), albeit invariably to myself! Phew! Thank you. And to use Peterson to demonstrate this is I think just perfect. I do believe that Petersons straying from his actual field of expertise might be quite calculated and ironically /sadly has been the key behind his popularity. Being useful will only get you so far, but if you can be entertaining, well then you're onto something
I've only been watching your videos for a short time and find the way you explain things very easy to understand . I'm not a very intelligent man . never went to university didn't even finish school . isn't what you are saying the Dunning-Kruger effect . I'm probably wrong but from what I have learned over the last few years is there are lots of people that claim to be experts . I've even had experts tell me my job when they've never done it . maybe I'm just simplifying because as I say I'm not an intelligent man . I don't think NATO was a threat to Russia but the simple fact that NATO exists Russia see it as a threat . And now Putin has attacked Ukraine he's only made it worse almost like self fulfilling prophecy . As for the Woke-ism I just don't understand it at all . I'm a male I like females I've worked with my hands my whole life and all I know is people are different and what ever they want to do with their life or what they identify as is their business not mine . do I think it started this war no
You sound intelligent to me. Not everyone that is intelligent has a higher education.
@@BubblegumCreepydoll thank you Bubblegum for being kind . I wish there were more people like you . Writing it is one thing but if you heard me speak it with my accent you would probably walk away .
@@boermed No I wouldn’t. I have an accent too, just like you and Vlad.
@@BubblegumCreepydoll I'm from Oxford in the UK so I have a voice like a farmer plus I worked in the building trade for many years most of which I worked in London so you get a little bit of country mashed up with some London I'm what's known as a common man or working class here in the UK . we are told the class system died out years ago but it's alive and well or maybe I just have a chip on my shoulder
@@boermed My man is a farmer, Oxford is also the only city I’ve stayed at in the UK. I stayed there with my sister when I was 14. It’s a nice place. There will always be a class system of some kind. I don’t really care about that. I’ve hung out with people that live on the streets and people that have a quite high status in society. They pretty much want the same thing, sex and drugs.
As always, you're spot on! Keep it up, this is important work you're doing. Thank you.
Thank you!
I have only seen the short clip of Jordan Peterson's views on Ukraine on this channel. I have no idea of what else he said, but it what he is saying here is absurd. What does concern me is that so many on the right, who before the invasion of Ukraine had decided that Putin was a natural ally in the culture wars, have not changed their allegiance to Putin despite Russia's invasion. You would imagine in the light of recent events they might have been be persuaded to revise their position. But the opposite seems to have happened. Instead they grab onto anything they can find to justify this this horrific invasion. Peterson is just providing ammunition for Putin apologists.
I look forward to Vlad's in depth analysis of the Peterson phenomenon, which I do find extraordinary and perhaps a little sinister. It's interesting up to a point to hear Peterson holding forth on subjects like Nietzsche and Dostoevsky or the Bible, but always in the back of your mind is the thought that there are much more interesting voices on these subjects. Yet somehow Peterson whether by design or accident has attracted this enormous, unquestioning following. This seems incredibly dangerous.
I profoundly disagree with JP on the subject of the war in Ukraine - i could not even continue, so disgusting it was, but to call him “dangerous” is at the least an overstatement imho.
I now wonder how long it will take JP to acknowledge how wrong he is about “Putler” and to apologize.
@@ArtU4All , well, Hitler apologists are still around, so may be a long wait.
Natasha people like Peterson will never admit he is wrong about anything. He is a guru for people who are unapologetically proud of their anglosaxon hereditary and masculinity.
@@ArtU4All I don't know if Peterson will apologise. I have to admit that I think it rather unlikely. What I find dangerous about specifically the Peterson phenomenon is the way he has been elevated to the status of a prophet by many of his followers.
@@saskhiker3935 What Peterson would argue is not that people should be proud of their Anglo-Saxon hereditary and masculinity, rather they shouldn't be ashamed of these things. In this I think he does have a point. However, at the same time I agree that a large portion (at least going by UA-cam comments) are exactly the people you describe. I don't believe Peterson ever properly addresses this. The other issue I have with him, which Vlad has described far more eloquently than I ever could, is that he never faces any real intellectual scrutiny in his conversations. Sam Harris or Dawkins don't qualify.
I appreciate this so much. Honestly I used to be just like this person, I wanted people to listen to me so I would speak. Loudly. I would say big things and people would listen because those things are interesting. But all that time I knew I was a fraud, I'm an expert in astrology, I was going into politics and culture and what's right and wrong and how I feel about this and that and I was going way out of my area of expertise, because I wanted to be heard. It actually got me into a lot of trouble and I kept doing it until I realized I was wrong. I had no idea what I was talking about and I had been too lazy to actually research and investigate and discus with experts. If my voice had reached more people then it could have had a negative impact on the world around me, like so many people are doing right now. I'm glad im no longer doing that but it pains me that despite still being too lazy to research and investigate, I am very interested in these subjects. I want to know more about politics and culture and philosophy but I am too lazy to research. It's like I'm fighting myself. So it hurts when these subjects come up and I can't talk about them because I really don't know. I wish I had more motivation to become an expert because these really are interesting subjects, which is why I really appreciate your videos. I feel like they are slowly bridging that gap and you're encouraging me to think outside the box and try critical thinking. I've learned to not just accept what this guy or that guy says because they use big words and sound confident. So thank you vlad, I hope your voice reaches more people because we don't hear enough of this in our daily personal lives. I shouldn't have to come to UA-cam to learn things like this, I should be able to just have these conversations in real life. And I hope that I'll gain the expertise and confidence to have these conversations.
JBP is impressive to people who know a little bit of psychology, or a little bit of philosophy, or a little bit of politics, or a little bit of anything. The moment he starts talking about an area in which you are competent, you notice how little he actually knows, how much his blithers, and how little he says.
"Bogus expression of authenticity" is it! I love, love this video! I do believe mental health issues (late onset ) are part of the problem.
Tessa thank you so much. I do think a kind of inversion of authenticity is nearly the central value in our culture.
"NATO is an existential threat to Russia as an aggressive and expanding Eurasian colonial power" - has to be the most pithy summary I've ever heard. Hats off to you good sir.
Thank you Vlad so much for your take on Peterson’s and Mearsheimer’s so-called lectures.
With Peterson i think it is pretty clear. I listened up to the moment when he said that Ukraine discovered natural gas deposits near the Caspian Sea. The only things we receive now from the Caspian region are the cruise missiles launched by Russia’s strategic bombers. Add this to an absent expression and poses mechanically changed by Peterson, it was clear to me, that the script of this monologue Peterson probably has seen first time in his life.
When it comes to Mearsheimer, he is no less ignorant about the causes of the war, but his messages are far more damaging to the cause of the world uniting against Russian brutality. If fact, he suggests the opposite: the western world’s unifying was the cause of Russian outrage.
Enough to say that right before of the invasion, all the western politicians declared that Ukraine will not be member of NATO in any foreseeable future. And so was declared by President Zelensky on the Munich conference. Has it helped to deescalate? Of course not. And what Putin said about Sweden and Finland joining NATO? “This is not a concern to us”
So this war not about NATO being the cause, I would say that NATO has no role in the decision process at all.
Thank you again, and looking forward for the longer video.
Ukraine does not border on the Caspian Sea. Did you mean Black Sea? Azov Sea?
@@compassrise thank you, I know that. :) But JP apparently don’t. Go to timecode 11:07 on his video, where you can find as he elaborates on Ukraine newly discovered petrol resources near the Caspian.
It's all theater, isn't it? Putin wanted to attack Ukraine and created the pretext. He doesn't want anything with Fin + Swe at the moment so "it's not a concern".
Not that either of our countries - Ukraine or the Nordics was going to attack Russia militarily anyways.
But if Ru were to have a go at the Baltics later... Maybe test how strong the article 5 stands in reality? Or if, for some reason NATO engages directly...
I don't believe they want to invade the Nordics per se but they'd like to dominate the region, threaten with nukes when we send weapons or do anything they don't like. And they might want the Island of Gotland in order to attack the Baltics in the future... Kaliningrad is not far away, the Baltic sea=NATO sea....
Surely they aren't pleased.
(If I allow myself to speculate... )
@@OleksandrBriagin Ah! Thanks for the timestamp. I tend to blank out when he waffles.
@@OleksandrBriagin That shows how sloppy JP's thinking is.
Peterson is a psychologist. He frequently weighs in on a wide array of topics far outside of his training. Politics, religion, climate change, etc. etc. Further, even within his realm of expertise, he frequently comes out with views that are not well supported in his own field.
I still want to know how people like my friends who actually treat people are supposed to use Jung.
They already tell people basic stuff like "you should try to have a stable routine" but without making it a special session with a guru.
Hi! is the detailed Jordan Peterson Video still in the pipeline or did I just not find it on the main channel?
It is in the pipeline but not soon! Also it’s a slightly dangerous video to do! The algorithm will push it to hard core JP fans and to people who specialise in cancelling him - and I want to protect my community from both! But I will do it unless I see a long form treatment which gets it right - so far, there isn’t one. Happy New Year to You!
@@VladVexlerChat Thanks for answering! And thanks for your videos. Discovered you yesterday and I am already hooked 🙂
@@iome666 me glad to hear this! Thank you for taking time!
2 million? Wow Vlad congrats, you certainly deserve it.
For my part those speeches Putin gave just before the invasion made me realize that my perception of him as a sort of capitalist kleptocrat fell very short of understanding all that revisionist / imperialist madness therein.
Though the invasion came as no great shock finding that I didn't really understand Putin's motives and objectives felt like looking down and seeing no floor.
Your videos and recommendations on others to listen to made up a big part of what's been among the most historically orientating periods of learning in my recent memory. The resulting increase in my bearings for the history that my life's a part of has been pretty dam gratifying even inspiring, albeit juxtaposed by the many horrors of war and totalitarianism.
Really appreciate you
Thank you so so much for saying all this!
1. agree wholeheartedly about the "stay in one's lane", I love your advice to your friends and their media appearances
2. looking forward to your video deciphering JPs word salad
3. very intrigued by this theatrical side you are letting loose here, very believable,
4. Thank you for bringing to attention this shift from knowledge acquisition, carry on, Vlad!
Thank you thank you thank you!!!
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Here's how someone attempted to fact check JBP. With some asides it is humorous and worth the time (imho).
Jordan Petersons behavioral psychology has helped me so much in my life. Looking back I really needed a psychologist I suppose to help me get myself on stable footing (something I'd never had through my whole life). People crack jokes that he is a father figure for lost young males - well, my father vehemently hated me and actively tried to undermine my success and my father figure (grandpa) died in under six months from cancer when i was 16. I had no other male role model in my life. I'm 28 now and for the first time I'm not living in a completely unhealthy environment, I have a clear vision of the future (luckily I've always had the end goal in mind to build my life around - its what led me to getting out of the environment), I've completely removed my anxiety/depression that's always been there for my whole life, I've created a "rock" as my foundation moving into life, I have personal order that is so great and I have learned just so much from his explanations on ancient/historical wisdom sources and the lessons that can teach us. My biggest takeaway from JP has been to build my life around pillars - before now it'd always just been on maintaining my significant other relationship and money. Now i build my life on the following pillars (so that when one collapses my life isnt in total chaos like it use to be): 1. Religion (christianity) 2. Philosophy (stoicism) 3. Nurturing unique interests (history, war, philosophy, etc) 4. Always learning through reading daily 5. Meditation 6. Excercise daily 7. Physical health 8. Routine 9. Family (always love and support - never judge) 10. Maintaining good friends (they want me to succeed and assist when i fail) 11. Work voraciously on my career (run a financial services business) 12. Develop my hobby of backcountry hiking 13. Get involved in communty (sports leagues, MMA, volunteering) and even a few more areas. This has genuinely saved my life. His specifically behavioral psychology work has been one of the largest sources to make me a better business owner, a better friend, a better family member and a better member of my local community.
That being said, i do not follow any of his work outside of the domains in behavioral psychology and practical wisdom from sources such as the Bible, Torah, etc. I am in complete disagreement with his take on the war (he had earlier opinions on the war that were also terrible) and its somewhat surprising to see him so off base. He has his home decorated on the inside in large part with Soviet era artwork as to remind him of the horrors of that time from Soviet policy. I agree that he likely is just viewing this from the "culture war" perspective.
It is also really important to me that I never become a "believer" of any mortal person. I only fully believe in God (christian) and any person born from a mother is flawed (again, JP brings in the Solzhenitsyn lines talking about the line between good and evil running down each person's heart but I digress). My best friend is an American citizen who immigrated here as a child from Ukraine, and to me it is super easy to empathize with Ukrainians (grew up in CLE, HQ for slavs in the US and I have been around serbs/ukis my whole life). It is just important to always remember that it is extremely unhealthy to follow and agree with everything a person says. I completely disagree on his take here; clearly, despite the mass suffering and destruction, if Ukraine can prevail in the end as a recognized European state with all its liberated territories, it would be a complete victory. The option between 1. Being under Russian occupation and 2. Having a secure future for your children in a western democracy, is completely obvious. Homes can be rebuilt; tyranny must be fought. I would have thought he would clearly understand this but as everyone is saying this is not his domain at all.
In summary, JP will be one of the best modern "philosophers" on behavioral psychology and practical wisdom of our time. However, he is not god, and his take on the war (and maybe politics in general) should be regarded with the same regard as any other non-expert.
His practical wisdom and behavioral psychology is so good I really wish he'd stop talking politics/war so he can just help more people like myself.
Sorry for repeating: It's okay to be helped by the words and/or ideas of problematic, imperfect people at particular moments when you really need it. Less ideal, if only used to spin one's cognitive wheels, perpetually, in the mud.
I think this profound wisdom is useful, but it is also stuff a much cheaper therapist from my little municipality can tell me.
The people at their office also tell people eating regularly is good and having small, doable daily routines is nice. They also talk about finding meaningful hobbies. They tell people to set the clock to a regular time.
The guru takes this and makes it a profound personal wisdom that must be continually dispensed through the guru.
The german philosopher Carl Jaspers has said: "It is unbelivible how much dumbness can be placed into a smart men´s head. Best wishes: Dr. Volker Langenhahn from Germany
the " well... you know " maybe theatre as you say but your impeccable cadence made it pointed and as devastating as a Hitchens barb. You are fascinating to listen to Vlad. Merci, from a math teacher in New-Brunswick, Canada. I love to read Kant and all the great philosophers but I forget most of it as soon as I read it. I love your cogent distillations.
just some timestamps for me:P
12:15 knowledge acquisition - generation and authenticity
14:14 Bogus knowledge acquisition and shopping
16:07 experts stay in your lane confidently and else say "i dont know"
18:18 expertise, trust and democracy
20:50 video spoilers
21:34 enduring free speech (sorry for this wording :P )
22:32 beef! beef! beef!
25:00 attitude of russia and neighbouring states to NATO
26:26 mearsheimer's view too coarse/abstract
28:20 america-centrism, nato expansion isnt that important
30:20 Petersons argument and short evaluation
31:30 influence of identity politics
32:30 wokeism in all politic ideologies existing
33:38 putin vs identity politics?
35:18 the correct response against JP
35:58 i've read a blogpost, so i must be an expert
37:40 a comment of Vlad: How Putin may see a Civil conflict in the sowjetblock
Thank you so so much!
Been a Jp fan for allong time,made of him an idol,until i started to see that some of things he says are biased,and irrational for example that an atheist can ve virtuous and with no god humans are evil etc,and after that i noticed more stuff that was weird,now this...beats the record,saying that this war is not all that wrong
@icky Vicky No, JP is wrong. And so are you.
It’s part of growing up (you can do this in any age). You don’t make anyone a prophet or idol. You will learn that most people are complex and have foolish sides. Take what’s useful and discard the rest… but don’t discard what’s gold and there is gold
I have a lot of respect for Jordan Peterson. But he is a psychologist. International politics, wars and history just aren't his field. Like a dentist talks about building Space X rocket.
I watch his entire video. Can't stop shaking my head. Just so much nonsense.
As a psychologist I must say that he is not considered a prominent researcher nor clinical master mind.
He babbles.
@@upnorth2421 I always wondered how Peterson was seen by other psychologists, because from the few videos I saw of him, the only thing I saw related to psychology was his appropriation of Jung's archetypes to analyze biblical myths. Honestly, I've read reports that mysticism is very present in psychology, which leads people to doubt about the scientificity of psychology, and what I saw from Peterson didn't seem to help to invert it.
I've seen cogpsych Cass Eris critique Peterson, and while i fell asleep and understood nothing, you know, maybe he's really not that much of an expert in anything, just a thought? I would almost get back to that but honestly my interest in one talking head is... very limited. My country is on fire, a good fourth of a nice city i used to live in is destroyed, and my other country needs some action as well, not urgently but generally, and i need to get stuff done as well, projects to build, health to improve, you know how it is, perhaps. This wanker just doesn't figure into this no matter what he thinks.
@icky Vicky What makes you so certain? It's not like there isn't a lot of opposition and critique out in the open, always has been, and yet he's becoming continuously more and more Petersony.
I would add "self entitlement" to self affirmation and shopping in your description of how citizens are proclaiming opinions with learning anything beforehand - or even feeling that is is important to know anything beforehand. The feel (feel not think) entitled to have, express, and impose their opinion, disconnected from fact, and disconnected to the burden of critique. I appreciate Mr. Peterson's expertise and efforts to defend integrity and fee speech. He is superb in his lane of individual psychological development and life experience. But, he far outside of his lane with global affairs.
Your sincere and dedicated explanatory thoughtfulness helps me listen to and ruminate on what you say with a more open mind. I have appreciated your points of view (that I would, otherwise, have little way of having.) Thanks!
I love Jordan Peterson in small doses and when he is operating "within his lane", as you say. His lane is, and people forget this, experimental and clinical psychology, and he is something of a self-made expert on the role of myth in the human psyche. That's it, full stop. He leverages what he is an expert in to becoming something of a guru to young, aimless males that apparently did not have a father around to raise them properly. That is nice and all and I think he is pretty good at this, but when he waxes philosophical and political and cultural and social...He's just some guy on the Internet that was traumatized by reading The Gulag Archipelago...
The problem is that he's not practicing experimental and clinical psychology, he hasn't had a license for many years now, he's not up to date with the development of that field.
Even what would seem to be his lane isn't really his lane. He's a demagog through and through.
@@PrypeciowyHovnozer Well, he certainly is not practicing much of anything on a professional basis, but he at least has the educational background to speak coherently regarding areas related to the human psyche. Apparently, some people really need to hear or read what he has to say on getting ones own act together and there are a lot of testimonials that their lives work better after adopting some of his suggestions, which are rooted in what their parents failed to do in raising them to begin with. Great, as far as it goes, and as self-help gurus go, he is both more qualified and more constructive than most. But still, when he starts to natter on about cultural marxisim and the like, I do wish he would shut the hell up...
There is no kind way to correct somebody on the internet, but please bear with me. I am an experimental and social psychologist. JBP is not. He is a clinical and personality one, and all power to him for it, but he regularly talks about other fields of psychology, including social, cognitive and evolutionary psychology, and when he does, he talks absolute nonsense. Based on what he says, I expect he has not really engaged with the science since 1992. I am not saying this to be mean to him. I am saying this to give him an out.
My favourite example is his REPEATED statement that IQ tests are the most reliable measurement in psychology. Blatant idiocy, right there! In every class on cognitive or developmental psychology, when intelligence is discussed, we tell our students three important things: 1. What IQ tests measure is not actually intelligence, but SOME THEORIZED components of intelligence, 2. IQ tests are unreliable, change with repeated testing and practice; taking one version of the IQ test (there is a multitude) may place you in a completely different bracked in comparison to another version of the test, and 3. IQ tests measure some components of intelligence, but they also measure test-taking ability, education, SES, confidence. In other words, your IQ score is not merely your IQ.
Another example is values. JBP talks values all the time, right? I read Maps of Meaning and 12 Rules - chock full of values! Yet, when I looked at his bibliography for ANY scientific work on values done in the last 40 years in psychology, sociology and anthropology - nothing! Not a single mention of Inglehart & Welzel, Schwartz, or Hofstede, all of whom produced reliable, widely used, comprehensive maps of human values which have been empirically tested and replicated across the planet. But no! JBP cites Dostoyevsky, a fucking novelist, instead of Shalom Schwartz, an actual scientist who produced something called the theory of universal human values.
I cannot tell you what a red flag this is to anybody who is familiar with the field. It is a sign of intellectual laziness, at best.
I think it's an understanding of myth and jungian concepts that stops at what Petersen seems true, and dare not explore further. Like all the funky bits of Jung cut short.