I hope that people take this opportunity to understand how difficult it actually is to replace a good manager. Banter is one thing, but replacing a good or great manager is a serious matter that shouldn't be done unless a situation becomes untenable.
I think the only example people may give is Liverpool fans thought they'd be no way they'd ever replace Klopp and somehow has managed to do it. But I do agree with the all round point that it's easier said than done
liverpool/chelsea and now united changing managers and arsenal/city sticking with pep/arteta has created this "grass is greener" feeling around the league. people will change tune once all these new managers go through a bad spell of results and then people will realise "oh maybe arteta isnt so bad".
This is why now is a bad time to sack Arteta. When a team sacks their manager its either out of desperation to turn around poor form or bc there's a clear upgrade available. Currently, what manager is there that could come in who would be a clear upgrade on Arteta? The only clear upgrades are ones that aren't gonna be joining Arsenal.
On a random note...the set piece goals from Arsenal season just confirm that Mikel is as obsessed with Football Manager as the lot of us are, Viz. He figured out the meta!
Fans of big clubs (not all fans admittedly) need to get their act together, if you support your club purely on the basis of trophies then what's the point, I get it you do have a heritage but the point of being a fan is to be with your team through thick and thin, and Arteta has kept Arsenal looking dangerous and moving in the right direction. Take a look back at Wenger's exit and ask yourself if you want to be there again. If you hound Arteta out as well, it'll be the worst thing you could do.
@@Vizeh Nah rare Vizeh L on this one, this self righteous fan wagon majority of people be on is all round crazy to me, but then again you support Burnely bro so you're the highest and mightiest of them all. Look I understand advocating for supporting football but advocating for mediocrity is just plain crazy to me, perfect example of a club that has mastered the fan expectation-to-how-act thing is Real Madrid they know and understand that football is the fanbase and the fanbase is football. I am a Barca supporter and see and hear people everyday supporting crap from the club. Bottom line man, the badge first, and the badge demands to be crested with Silverware. Tired of coddling players and managers, IT IS A COMPETITIVE SPORT!!!
@@NdinguAndaWhat an absolutely brain-dead take. If we all supported the way you did we'd only have a handful of teams worldwide because what would be the point of supporting "mediocrity." Ultimately, you're not a fan of football, you're a fan of winning. There's nothing wrong with admiring a good team, but supporting teams purely because they win a lot is just vapid fan behaviour.
So basically 2 and a half years of shit football no style of play 1 season of good football and the rest playing as stoke is good enough with no trophies too show for it. Your probably 1 of them utd fans who backed ten hag or currently backing the shit under ineos and amorin aswell 🙄
Arteta endured criticism during his early years, particularly during periods of inconsistent form. However, his ability to weather those storms and stick to his vision highlights his resilience and tactical intelligence.
@Vizeh in my opinion, it's not about trophies as most people seem to think. It's about the improvement of the team and its ability to compete at the highest levels. The trophies will eventually come
Are we back in 2021? OK but seriously, I know this season has been disappointing and Arteta has to shoulder part of the blame, but I think that's an overreaction
Also, the players have to shoulder some of the blame when on paper we should be doing far better. 3rd in the champs and the league with the injuries we've had isn't awful.
3rd in the champions league table and 3rd in the premier league plus still in the cup competitions. I remember the end of Wenger/Emery days when this team was finishing closer to mid table and getting blown out of the CL first knockout round. Even look at Covid lockdown Arsenal a few seasons ago, team was dreadful. It’s been a delight watching this team under Arteta grow and compete over the last few years.
Been arteta out since day one, he’s an absolute fool and his team are weaker than Arsenal have ever seen. He lets below average players like Saka run the asylum and his only successes was created and earned by Emery. He took over the match before the FA cup final because he was being forced into the job. He was a pathetic, weak and terrible player for Arsenal and he’s the same as a manager. Emery and Wenger were both way better. The entire league was more competitive and better as football gets less skilled and less entertaining every single year. Arteta without VAR would have been a hilarious sight.
Arteta out is crazy considering how much he improved Arsenal. From no UCL spot to being title challengers to the best Man City squad forever. I'd be erecting a statue for him at Emirates if I was an Arsenal fan.
It's online fans mostly and fake accounts. I know a lot of arsenal fans and the most drastic things I've heard are about selling martinelli and that Havertz was maybe a miss
@@marioquintas5452Man City were still elite until this season, they literally won the treble. Also, yeah Klopp is better than Arteta but Klopp may be a top 3 PL manager of all-time. Arteta is still an incredible manager
@@henry7486 Klopp top 3 PL manager? 😂 He was really good but that is absolutely ridiculous. Only winning it ONCE compared to guys like Wegner, Fergie, or Jose is nuts. Hell, Claudio Rainieri has an equally strong PL legacy.
as a man utd fan, honestly it’s crazy to me to hear this. i understand that getting close to a title every time and not making it over the line is frustrating, but i think arsenal fans have almost become entitled with it now where they just expect to win it when it’s really not that easy at all. and sure seeing man city performing so badly this season and instead of your club capitalising on it, liverpool are, it must be irritating as hell, but idk..seeing how far arteta has got this club it’s just bewildering to hear people wanting him to be sacked. like i and many other fans would literally bite your hand off to experience challenging for a title like they have been for the past few years. i think their time will come, the squad just needs some more strengthening (i mean they should not be relying on saka so much, poor guy needs a break) which i guess you could fault arteta for not doing in the summer, but if he was actually sacked i really could not see who else they could convince to come in that would successfully continue his work and also get them over the line.
Ngl im an arsenal fan and nobody I know thinks arteta should be sacked. However if you want to hold high standards (which is where we believe our club should be) if arteta continues to be second-best then we may have to look for an alternative. We’re not “entitled” because we want to win trophies 😂😂 we haven’t got any titles in the past 20 years so how can we be entitled to anything 😂
@@Football_Advancedmaybe entitled is the wrong word (although all fans are entitled in some way anyway), but i think some fans i’ve seen (probably not the majority, that’s true) are saying very reactionary things to me. like i think you’re still in the race this year even if it looks like a long shot, there’s still a chance liverpool/chelsea slip up and with city out the picture it might not take much to win this year. if not then i could really see it next year for you guys and if you have a good transfer window then i think it’ll really give you a good chance. though i can understand some people are frustrated especially with how the team currently plays and at the moment are struggling with goals from open play, but i think wanting arteta gone NOW is too much imo
Arsenal fan here. Not a chance am I Arteta out. The club has been so close two seasons in a row only to a 115 charge City. Similar to Liverpool and Klopp before the COVID season win. Yes I know they had won more silverware and the champions league finals but they have European DNA. Arsenal are a lesser club than Liverpool. Now I would say we need a showing in the cups this season especially Champions League. Semi final minimum and a cup win. League has been very frustrating but Odegaard is so pivotal and he's only back fully sharp now
As an Arsenal fan, I really appreciate this video. It's refreshing to watch a piece that takes a nuanced view on Arteta's tenure. In my opinion, the idea of "Arteta out" is absurd given the position he has put the team in, a place we haven't been for the better part of two decades. Is it frustrating we've yet to win any major trophies? Of course. However, winning takes time. Sacking the manager at this point would be futile. Who would be a realistic option to replace him? Carlo Ancelotti? lol We lost out on the league to historically great City teams. In 22/23 we overachieved in the way Chelsea appears to be doing this year. Last season, we lost by two points (probably that Villa game). Until this season, the trajectory was on the upward direction. No doubt this season started rocky with injuries and careless red cards, but we still look pretty good in UCL, advanced to EFL Cup semifinals, FA Cup play to come, and still not completely out of the picture to win the League. So many more games with a lot to play for. Let's just wait and see. Needless to say, I'm "Arteta IN" until further notice.
If not Arteta, then who? I'm not a life long Arsenal fan, not even a lifelong soccer/football fan, but when my sons started playing soccer I adopted the sport, over the other American sports I watched, and for whatever reason was immediatlely drawn to Arsenal who I've become, along with my sons a dedicated fan. So watching them over the last ten years has gone from agonizing to almost bliss; They are far superior team than they were before Arteta, and sure their style has changed and they have not won a title, but they are a solid, top tier, club once again. And if there's anyone who is going to get them to the top it's Arteta.
I get that Arsenal fans want to win the league and every trophy possible but they were finishing 8th just above teams like Sheffield United a few seasons ago, although I understand as to why they feel frustrated with the way they play being completely different to 2 seasons ago in a way that theyve regressed and in my opinion that ultimately comes down to recruitment either from the manager or sporting director or the fact the owners wont back Arteta for what he wants and only making signings like Sterling a player that Arteta clearly didnt want considering he doesnt use him. I also think Arteta has been seriously damaged by the fact he went unbeaten for example at the start of 2024 and ended the 23/24 season still 2nd & losing from an 8 point lead the season before damaging what he thought worked really well to win the league, I honestly can't see anyone else improving Arsenal if Arteta was to leave
Tbh, while seeing arsenal play it looks they are not even trying to score but to go for corners, but that being said there is not a big name manager who is available in market.
Arsenal fans would be crying for Arteta back if they were to get rid of him. The grass isn't always greener. Being successful isn't always an upward trajectory, I'd be more concerned if next year they faltered again rather than make an improved title challenge.
Arsenals lack of scoring problem is because of the medication the players are taking for their blood pressure. They can probably get a note from their doctors
I think arsenal is not ready completly with the squad they have because what they lack is a proper striker to pop a ball in the net whenever and a defense that is consistent (like LB position etc.) and with how close they've got, twice to winning the league. With proper transfers in January to fix squad depth and fix some of the player positions we lack in I think they can properly start to win trophies (although Arteta has had almost 5 years now and still won nothing - apart from FA cup obviously and a few community shields)
Nah arteta doesn't need to be out, arsenal just need a true striker to come in. It's as simple as that. Saka is really the only threat up front, and he always has to cut in from the wing. It's a given if he wants to score. Corners/set pieces are fine, but a true striker would get them to the top of table. Gyorkes being the best prospect if he wants to go to arsenal. Havertz isn't cutting it as the forward.
Arteta is nowhere near losing his job. The team has had so many injuries and unfortunate suspensions so far this season. We haven’t been able to really get going. Plus we look incredible in the Champions League and could still win the Carabao and FA cups.
And then what? Back to finishing 8th😂.Arteta isn't a winner until he wins something and mind you this is his first club.Not many serial winners apart from maybe Pep won trophies in his first club or first couple of seasons.
@@fussball1433well let me give you some examples of winners who came off and running, anncelotti, Xavi Alonso, Inzagi, Diego Simoeone, Zidane, Xavi, and so on and so forth so get out of here with this losers mentality
I was rewatching all or nothing Arsenal edition. Honestly gunners fans should be grateful literally in 2021 they had no europe and were slapped 5-0 by City
As an Belgian Arsenal fan for 5 years,I think we should start asking questions if it all goes wrong this season(No UCL qualification I mean by that)/next season (No title/UCL challenge)
As a Brighton fan, this whole thing reminds me of Hurzeler out. After the best start to a season for Brighton in the premier league, people say he needs to go because of a couple of bad and disappointing losses
As an Arsenal Fan I am not onboard the Artea out bandwaggon it’s certianly frusting with certain Arsenal fans lose or draw some games and then bang get him out it's stupid but I must say Mikel has really messed up in certain areas this season of course we have had injuries but he has made some dumb decions to deal with them he has made some stange and stupid tactics also playing players out of possion overrince on corners, our defence hasn't been as strong as it was conceding too many goals and overrlice on Saka/Odegaard because usually when Odegaard doesn't play well Arsenal don't play well he is our only attacking option apart from Ethan who plays on the same side The problem is the LCM/Box-To-Box postion we need another player who can work well with Martinelli and give him creatvie support like Odegaard does with Saka Merino was suppose to be that guy to replace Xhaka which is stupid because we already replaced him with Rice but they want Merino to be as progressive as Xhaka was in his last season so it's support for Martinelli but Merino has been in and out and when he has played so far his hasn't really given that creatve proggressive support for Martinelli so there is no creatively on the left hand side and Calafori has been in and out with injuries but doesn't really look to give that overlabing support either and looks decent but more like a CB than a LB the reason why Martinelli did so well in the 2022/23 season is because he had attacking support from Xhaka and Zinny a golen trinagle you could say but since Xhaka left and Zinny kept on getting caught out deveifly Martinelli doesn't have that creatve support so he is ofern left on his own and but the main thing is we Still haven't bought a STRIKER which should of been on top of Mikel's summer signings wish list he thinks we are fine with Havertz who I must say has had a decent season but the guy is not cynical and more of a second striker anyways the guy is good but should be more a sqaud man backup for a stiker or Odegaard. Instead he gets a past his best LW to be a backup for Saka on Loan to shut Arsenal fans up. I thought it was a stupid transfer at the time and I been proved right the guy has bought no challenge for Saka nothing new not like when we bought Trossard who has pushed Martinelli and is a great second option and a good player to bring off the bench Sterling instead has brought nothing harly played and when he has he hasn't exactly impressed. Another thing with Livepool dropping points we haven't taken advantage and pushed them unlike Chelsea and we should have beaten Liverpool but we went far too defensive in the second half let them in the game and they took advantage. But overall i'm not on the bandwagon however I have been disappointed with Mikels decisions and it's cost us.
As an Arsenal fan, I’m so happy to see how we are. Where we came from is not for the faint hearted, just judging us this season is quite unfair. For Chelsea and Liverpool, who would’ve thought they’d be doing this well? The criticism is justified for us, but it’s not a reason to panic. After this season then yes we should be very worried
As an arsenal fan, the ones saying arteta out are fans that did not sit through 90 mins of Emery football, the fans that didn’t watch us lose to Burnley at home for the first time in 25 years (no offence), the fans that didn’t watch us tear Man City for 45 mins on New Year’s Day. They are all reactionary click bait rage bait interaction farmers looking to get their £1 Twitter ad revenue (ps would like a video on the state of FT and the stake ads as that is an issue that should be addressed). This man said that when he first came to the club it was a complete soulless atmosphere and a shell of what he left it in 2016, and how those years of animosity made us lose out club and identity. This is a man who transformed the club both off and on the pitch, revisiting our old roots of the late 90s early 00s of wengers class with a modern spin. To say arteta out is a disgrace and not an intelligent take at all. I will prep his this that when we had that run in 2020 with one win in ten I wanted him gone. But it’s crazy how football works and how one game can make a project go boom, or how a game can tarnish a reputation. To me we are lucky to have such a man leading the team, it’s like if Klopp in 2021 had calls for his head after a sloppy title defence (which was the same time he’s been in the Liverpool job as arteta has been in the arsenal job), which never happened as they comfortably slumped a 4th place finish. I absolutely despise my fan base and those pricks at aftv lick their lips at this as they installed this toxic fan culture we see today all the way back in 2017. Arteta Out is not a thing by real arsenal fans, it is only there for interaction farming degenerates.
I hate hearing managers been sacked right middle of the season. Whoever decides the matter is very short sighted, often wrong. Give them the time and support for them to work on it. I am a Liverpool fan. As everyone remember, it took 4-5 years for Klopp to creat his own very successful team. It took his devotion and our patience made it possible.
It would take a pretty big drop-off to justify sacking Arteta I'd say. Look at what happened with Spurs; in Pochettino they had a manager who elevated them to the next level, but was struggling to win the biggest trophies. They sacked him, and since have dropped back down to mediocrity. The reason why Arne Slot's performance is so incredible is because it's so rare for a great manager to be outdone straight away. For every Slot there's a Moyes at United, Emery at Arsenal etc.
The Arteta out movement, like it was back then, is only perpetuated by small section of our fan base. It's usually consists of the same people who did it the first time with some more joining in but I guarantee most Arsenal fans, including myself, still back Arteta despite our issues this season
The people who say ‘how dare you question the manager’ are just toxic positivity merchants who see any criticism as ‘reactionary’ or ‘knee jerk’. That would be a fair comment if it was his first year, but he’s been in the job 5 years, taken the team from massive underachievement to about par and is now failing to take them any further. Why would it be impossible to find someone better when Liverpool have seamlessly replaced a legend with a relative unknown? The majority of fans wanted Wenger out for achieving top 4 every year yet accept the same from Arteta despite his massive spending and poor talent ID/squad building. How is it possible we left ourselves with no out and out striker or back up for our attacking midfielder/wingers while at the same time selling squad players in those exact positions!
Arsenal fans should appreciate this man... he's brought you to where you've always been.. hustling for 2nd place😂.. On a serious note though, he's a good coach, trust in him.. there aren't many good ones around
It's only December, and already there's only 2 real contenders. Liverpool ...and Chelsea (which I must admit, I did not expect. Jackson looks the real deal now). I can't see Liverpool slipping up though, you look very strong. City & Arsenal won't come close.
From an outsider looking in, there's been some big misses on players brought in and there football is underwhelming at time. If they played good football consistently and built the squad better the questions wouldn't be being asked. So i think the critique is fair... My take though is the PL is so competitive this season and there's so many good teams now it's a very difficult league to dominate. There's probably a dozen world class managers in the PL right now but only 2 or 3 can win the big trophies.
New American Arsenal Fan here, I’ve been following the club for a few years now. The league results have been frustrating, particularly this year. Fans are all over place on the transfer window, and I agree with the opinion we needed another attacker. That being said, we’re in the semis of the league cup, the FA cup hasn’t begun, and we’re 3rd in the champions league phase. If we don’t win a trophy this year I think the conversation should begin about sacking him, but there is a lot of football left to be played. I think the fans are getting baited by rival fans and over the top fans into screaming about Arteta.
Although Arteta has to take much blame, I’d say fans should direct it at the higher ups and their finances. They 100% have the money to bring in at least 1 World Class player or multiple elite players into their squad each summer. But instead of obtaining a monster striker like Osimhen, the board allowed Arteta to approach havertz (even through every fan was screaming for the club to get a striker any will do on top of Havertz) And now when Arteta wants a striker after realizing havertz wont win them a league, the club most likely won’t back him to save (and pocket) the earnings.
As a arsenal fan this is utterly stupid because we draw to games and now gunners are upset I mean 2 seasons ago we lost about 4-1 to man city and arteta managed to get out of that and now we can beat city the team do need improvements like attacking but arteta is using what he has
i think your spot on. For me its okay that arsenal does not win a title if they at least play beautiful football. But since last year the football is stale and ugly and if it doesnt even lead to a title. what is the point? Im not Arteta out yet, but i do expect him to be more adaptable with his tactics. Like last week were he subbed 1 for 1 in a game where we needed a goal. Why? Arteta tactically looks like "playing it safe" became a obsession.
Klopp is also a great manager but lets be honest in 7 years he didn’t win much. Took him like 4 -5 years to win the pl too. It takes time. He is on his way. Rome wasn’t built in a year, or two, or ten. Liverpool too. It took years to start to play on a consistent level
You can be Arteta out, still love him, still appreciate the work he's done, still rate him as one of the most important people at Arsenal this century. He's proven he can take a struggling club from midtable and turn them into consistent title challengers. He hasn't proven he can win a title with us. I would personally give him 18 months to win a big trophy - a UCL or League title. If we haven't by May 2026, then unfortunately we may have to look to someone else to freshen things up. Regardless, he deserves upmost respect and he is very very good manager.
Been arteta out since day one, he’s an absolute fool and his team are weaker than Arsenal have ever seen. He lets below average players like Saka run the asylum and his only successes was created and earned by Emery. He took over the match before the FA cup final because he was being forced into the job. He was a pathetic, weak and terrible player for Arsenal and he’s the same as a manager.
As a Manchester United fan, I think Arsenal have probably been over performing the past couple seasons. I think it's ridiculous to sack the guy now. If you look at their squad, I think it's the third best squad in the league at best, so It's definitely unrealistic to expect them to win the league. They've also lost a bunch of points this season due to players idioticly getting sent off.
At some point Arteta has to win the league, its obviously within reach seems to me his lack of experience in winning titles as a head coach himself might be the reason they havent one. We all knew they needed a proper number 9 but Arteta argued against it... In my opinion he probably has 2 seasons to win the title. I dont really mind their form this season almost everybody has had dodgy results.
As a Chelsea Fan Im the happiest that Arteta going no where for the next three seasons... he only need to finish top 4... I know arsenal waaaaay too much!!
As an Arsenal fan of a decade plus I have to say we have a lot of loud brain dead fans. We haven’t fully recovered from the toxicity of the late-Wenger era, though Mikel has improved the mood a lot. It doesn’t help that a lot of “fans” try to capitalize lack of success with reactionary rant videos, merch, etc. Mikel is obviously imperfect, but calling for his head now would be insanely short-sighted.
I love arteta because he’s done a lot for the club. But this past match proved why Kai havertz was an unnecessary signing. Gabriel Jesus is a capable enough striker. If we were gonna buy someone it needed to be a massive upgrade. Arteta is at the point in his Arsenal Tenure where winning a trophy and signing a better striker is a must by the end of the summer…..
he is a great coach no doubt but when you are arsenal the lack of trophies is concerning, you look at united even ten hag won 2 cups, arteta won one cup and ever since only fa shields (i think 1 or 2) 3 trophies isnt bad but considering their importance and that this is arsenal its far from a success at this point arsenal is waiting for tottenham to win one first and at the same time in europe he hasnt done much either last year he got to the quarter after getting one of the easiest draws in porto and then lost to the worst bayern team of the past 15 years
I swear we need a clinical striker, a left winger and someone that creates more. AFTV/Twitter is a cesspit toxic Arsenal fans People need to also realise that Arteta doesn't always have a say on who gets signed
Arsenal fans really went from Arteta being the best manager in the world to Arteta out in a span of couple months despite literally no changes in results or style of playing, which perfectly shows how delusional Arsenal fans are about their club, they just caught up with the fact they didn't win anything XD
How shit the team was during covid and the meteoric rise that's happened since fans returned to the stadiums has given me some more patience it seems, as I've seen what can happen if you give a manager time. Idt this season should be win the league or get sacked for Arteta but I also acknowledge that if the team starts declining again then I'll likely start to think its time for a change of manager.
The more teams listen to their fans, the worse the team does. If Arsenal gets rid of Arteta, they can enjoy themselves at mid-table because that's where they'll end up season after season.
Friendly reminder that had he not parked the bus against man city in etihad last season they could have won the premier league, but they celeberated a 0-0 draw, Rodri was right, it is about mentality.
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I'm not a fan of Arteta, but Arsenal, at the moment, couldn't get a better manager. He's been at the club for 5-6 years and took them from banter FC to title contenders.
He has to win the Champions League. That's the only way to prove a point and get the fans back on his side. They have allowed Liverpool and Chelsea to move ahead in the league. While Man City have fallen? This season was their best opportunity to win it.
As an Arsenal fan hearing Arteta out drives me nuts for how much he’s done for the club. Aftv is crazily toxic and so many of the fans are deluded. We have been over preforming for the last two years in my opinion. Our squad is not that good compared to a Liverpool or city maybe even Chelsea. the Kronkes don’t want to dish out the money for a game changer and our fans are so impatient. 4 years ago we where a mid table club ffs
I trully don't understand the people that still believe in Arteta. We are in his fifth year in charge, and it's pretty obvious that he just can't get the job done. He's not a title winner coach despise of that FA cup win. This Is Arsenal, our history is so, so big and people need to understand that this club deserves more. And Arteta just can't give that to the club. For me, his tenure on Arsenal is over
I knew someone will take theat arteta comment on trophies out of context. He was clearly laughing and sarcastic in the interview and immediately said its not enough right after it. You can't exactly translate everything in text form
English banter needs to talk about the big clubs and this is the only story. Utd is rebuilding, LPool and Chels are fine for now, and City is not cared for enough, so this is the only story.
We should stop all of this. Arsene Wenger wasn´t told to get our cause he didn´t won anything between 04/05 and 13/14. He will know when his doings are wrong. Maybe the prem campaign isn´t the greatest now, but they actually perform very well in the champions league tho.
A few unlucky decisions. Quite a lot of injuries. Dropping points in games we should win. Even with this, we are 3rd in the ucl and prem. City have fewer injuries than us and spurs and look at what's happened there
No don’t leave arteta. We need an elite finisher. If we still don’t win with one then maybe but until then the tactics are fine, the coaching is fine, There’s 0 reason to change this up.
So far the furthest I've gone is considering candidates in case the club don't think we're moving forward. In doing so also proving why he shouldn't go as my number 1 pick to replace him was Thomas Frank... On the actual issues, our system is fine but an issue dating back to last season is the left wing. When you have Ødegaard and Saka on the right hand side your going to be right side dominant but teams know that. Against Everton and Fulham and Man United they stacked 4 players on them and had the entire team move to that side to defend outside of the right winger and right back who are trusted to handle the left side. Martinelli and Trossard failed to beat Ashley Young 7/7 times. If we had a Nico Williams or Lookman Everton and Fulham wouldn't dare leave them 1v1 against their right back and that would free up space for Øde and Saka. There's another solution, move Øde to the left and play Rice or Ethan as a right 8.
I hope that people take this opportunity to understand how difficult it actually is to replace a good manager. Banter is one thing, but replacing a good or great manager is a serious matter that shouldn't be done unless a situation becomes untenable.
I think the only example people may give is Liverpool fans thought they'd be no way they'd ever replace Klopp and somehow has managed to do it. But I do agree with the all round point that it's easier said than done
@@Vizeh At the same time, they were *forced* to do that because Klopp was leaving no matter what anyone tried.
liverpool/chelsea and now united changing managers and arsenal/city sticking with pep/arteta has created this "grass is greener" feeling around the league. people will change tune once all these new managers go through a bad spell of results and then people will realise "oh maybe arteta isnt so bad".
This is why now is a bad time to sack Arteta. When a team sacks their manager its either out of desperation to turn around poor form or bc there's a clear upgrade available. Currently, what manager is there that could come in who would be a clear upgrade on Arteta? The only clear upgrades are ones that aren't gonna be joining Arsenal.
But what makes Arteta a good manager? He hasn’t won anything besides an FA cup with a squad inherited from the previous manager.
On a random note...the set piece goals from Arsenal season just confirm that Mikel is as obsessed with Football Manager as the lot of us are, Viz. He figured out the meta!
Hahaha I love the idea of him playing FM because it would actually make so much sense
For me we have a very good set piece coach but I am not the biggest fan of out defensive open play
Maybe he should teach me how to stop agonising over my FM signings lol
So good they are in 3rd place!
It's the front post glitch! I knew it!
Fans of big clubs (not all fans admittedly) need to get their act together, if you support your club purely on the basis of trophies then what's the point, I get it you do have a heritage but the point of being a fan is to be with your team through thick and thin, and Arteta has kept Arsenal looking dangerous and moving in the right direction. Take a look back at Wenger's exit and ask yourself if you want to be there again. If you hound Arteta out as well, it'll be the worst thing you could do.
Sadly some people are less about football and the culture that others, people just want to win
@@Vizeh Nah rare Vizeh L on this one, this self righteous fan wagon majority of people be on is all round crazy to me, but then again you support Burnely bro so you're the highest and mightiest of them all. Look I understand advocating for supporting football but advocating for mediocrity is just plain crazy to me, perfect example of a club that has mastered the fan expectation-to-how-act thing is Real Madrid they know and understand that football is the fanbase and the fanbase is football. I am a Barca supporter and see and hear people everyday supporting crap from the club. Bottom line man, the badge first, and the badge demands to be crested with Silverware. Tired of coddling players and managers, IT IS A COMPETITIVE SPORT!!!
@@NdinguAndaWhat an absolutely brain-dead take. If we all supported the way you did we'd only have a handful of teams worldwide because what would be the point of supporting "mediocrity."
Ultimately, you're not a fan of football, you're a fan of winning. There's nothing wrong with admiring a good team, but supporting teams purely because they win a lot is just vapid fan behaviour.
@@NdinguAnda NO UR JUST A GLORY HUNTER
@@NdinguAnda glory hunter detected ❗️
arteta out is crazy with how "well" they have been doing as of recently, this coming from a utd fan
We play well but never win anything and we don’t get a trophy for playing well we have nothing to show for our couple seasons of playing well
He's took them a long way, their form hasn't been that bad either it's just sadly at the same time of City being god awful
So basically 2 and a half years of shit football no style of play 1 season of good football and the rest playing as stoke is good enough with no trophies too show for it. Your probably 1 of them utd fans who backed ten hag or currently backing the shit under ineos and amorin aswell 🙄
@@stuartblydelet’s not forget how much money he’s spent too!
@@Maxmorris12 and what makes you think you'll win anything if you get a different manager instead of the one who got you to the next level?
Arteta endured criticism during his early years, particularly during periods of inconsistent form. However, his ability to weather those storms and stick to his vision highlights his resilience and tactical intelligence.
You think if he doesn’t win something this year that next season is now or never?
@Vizeh in my opinion, it's not about trophies as most people seem to think. It's about the improvement of the team and its ability to compete at the highest levels. The trophies will eventually come
@@laniee2351you’ve regressed two years straight
Are we back in 2021? OK but seriously, I know this season has been disappointing and Arteta has to shoulder part of the blame, but I think that's an overreaction
Don't worry I agree, especially that the form hasn't been that disasterous either
Also, the players have to shoulder some of the blame when on paper we should be doing far better. 3rd in the champs and the league with the injuries we've had isn't awful.
3rd in the champions league table and 3rd in the premier league plus still in the cup competitions. I remember the end of Wenger/Emery days when this team was finishing closer to mid table and getting blown out of the CL first knockout round. Even look at Covid lockdown Arsenal a few seasons ago, team was dreadful. It’s been a delight watching this team under Arteta grow and compete over the last few years.
Been arteta out since day one, he’s an absolute fool and his team are weaker than Arsenal have ever seen. He lets below average players like Saka run the asylum and his only successes was created and earned by Emery.
He took over the match before the FA cup final because he was being forced into the job. He was a pathetic, weak and terrible player for Arsenal and he’s the same as a manager.
Emery and Wenger were both way better. The entire league was more competitive and better as football gets less skilled and less entertaining every single year. Arteta without VAR would have been a hilarious sight.
Arteta out is crazy considering how much he improved Arsenal. From no UCL spot to being title challengers to the best Man City squad forever. I'd be erecting a statue for him at Emirates if I was an Arsenal fan.
A statue is a bit much but I absolutely get the point
It's online fans mostly and fake accounts. I know a lot of arsenal fans and the most drastic things I've heard are about selling martinelli and that Havertz was maybe a miss
Klopp won a league title against the best Man City squad. Arteta lost two league titles to a Man City on the downward spiral.
@@marioquintas5452Man City were still elite until this season, they literally won the treble. Also, yeah Klopp is better than Arteta but Klopp may be a top 3 PL manager of all-time. Arteta is still an incredible manager
@@henry7486 Klopp top 3 PL manager? 😂 He was really good but that is absolutely ridiculous. Only winning it ONCE compared to guys like Wegner, Fergie, or Jose is nuts. Hell, Claudio Rainieri has an equally strong PL legacy.
Xhaka 2, Arsenal 0! Trophies since Xhaka left this is.
as a man utd fan, honestly it’s crazy to me to hear this. i understand that getting close to a title every time and not making it over the line is frustrating, but i think arsenal fans have almost become entitled with it now where they just expect to win it when it’s really not that easy at all. and sure seeing man city performing so badly this season and instead of your club capitalising on it, liverpool are, it must be irritating as hell, but idk..seeing how far arteta has got this club it’s just bewildering to hear people wanting him to be sacked. like i and many other fans would literally bite your hand off to experience challenging for a title like they have been for the past few years. i think their time will come, the squad just needs some more strengthening (i mean they should not be relying on saka so much, poor guy needs a break) which i guess you could fault arteta for not doing in the summer, but if he was actually sacked i really could not see who else they could convince to come in that would successfully continue his work and also get them over the line.
Ngl im an arsenal fan and nobody I know thinks arteta should be sacked. However if you want to hold high standards (which is where we believe our club should be) if arteta continues to be second-best then we may have to look for an alternative. We’re not “entitled” because we want to win trophies 😂😂 we haven’t got any titles in the past 20 years so how can we be entitled to anything 😂
@@Football_Advancedmaybe entitled is the wrong word (although all fans are entitled in some way anyway), but i think some fans i’ve seen (probably not the majority, that’s true) are saying very reactionary things to me. like i think you’re still in the race this year even if it looks like a long shot, there’s still a chance liverpool/chelsea slip up and with city out the picture it might not take much to win this year. if not then i could really see it next year for you guys and if you have a good transfer window then i think it’ll really give you a good chance. though i can understand some people are frustrated especially with how the team currently plays and at the moment are struggling with goals from open play, but i think wanting arteta gone NOW is too much imo
trust dee process- Mikel Arteta
Do you trust the process?
@@Vizeh as a chelsea fan i am loving this arsenal process and want them to continue and even go down to the same league as their brothers stoke city
@@zubychylesays a fan of the team playing shamrock rovers tonight 😂😂
@@Football_Advancedwithout corners arsenal couldn’t even beat shamrock rovers
@@antoniomenjivar2573 problem is are we playing them tonight. instead we are still in all 4 of our competitions unlike chelsea
Arsenal fan here.
Not a chance am I Arteta out. The club has been so close two seasons in a row only to a 115 charge City. Similar to Liverpool and Klopp before the COVID season win. Yes I know they had won more silverware and the champions league finals but they have European DNA. Arsenal are a lesser club than Liverpool.
Now I would say we need a showing in the cups this season especially Champions League. Semi final minimum and a cup win. League has been very frustrating but Odegaard is so pivotal and he's only back fully sharp now
As an Arsenal fan, I really appreciate this video. It's refreshing to watch a piece that takes a nuanced view on Arteta's tenure. In my opinion, the idea of "Arteta out" is absurd given the position he has put the team in, a place we haven't been for the better part of two decades. Is it frustrating we've yet to win any major trophies? Of course. However, winning takes time. Sacking the manager at this point would be futile. Who would be a realistic option to replace him? Carlo Ancelotti? lol
We lost out on the league to historically great City teams. In 22/23 we overachieved in the way Chelsea appears to be doing this year. Last season, we lost by two points (probably that Villa game). Until this season, the trajectory was on the upward direction. No doubt this season started rocky with injuries and careless red cards, but we still look pretty good in UCL, advanced to EFL Cup semifinals, FA Cup play to come, and still not completely out of the picture to win the League. So many more games with a lot to play for. Let's just wait and see.
Needless to say, I'm "Arteta IN" until further notice.
I just think ARSENAL in general is a cursed club that cant win trophies anymore for some reason
cause they’re shite
@@N00000OOOOBY Naturally lol
Well ur name is Bellingham and you have a anime girl as ur profile I won't be talking
We need to get a ST like Isak to win the league this season we can win a cup
No league for you this season then
Ive never heard an arsenal fan say arteta out . Coming from an arsenal fan
Arteta out, 0 trophies with his own team
Same here mate. All online plastics it seems
Well, twitter users being twitter users as usual. Not surprising for me.
@@ACE360x Or fans with standards
He must win something this season or should be sacked
If not Arteta, then who? I'm not a life long Arsenal fan, not even a lifelong soccer/football fan, but when my sons started playing soccer I adopted the sport, over the other American sports I watched, and for whatever reason was immediatlely drawn to Arsenal who I've become, along with my sons a dedicated fan. So watching them over the last ten years has gone from agonizing to almost bliss; They are far superior team than they were before Arteta, and sure their style has changed and they have not won a title, but they are a solid, top tier, club once again. And if there's anyone who is going to get them to the top it's Arteta.
I also remember that loss at home to Burnley… it’s the only time Arsenal have played on my birthday 😒
I get that Arsenal fans want to win the league and every trophy possible but they were finishing 8th just above teams like Sheffield United a few seasons ago, although I understand as to why they feel frustrated with the way they play being completely different to 2 seasons ago in a way that theyve regressed and in my opinion that ultimately comes down to recruitment either from the manager or sporting director or the fact the owners wont back Arteta for what he wants and only making signings like Sterling a player that Arteta clearly didnt want considering he doesnt use him. I also think Arteta has been seriously damaged by the fact he went unbeaten for example at the start of 2024 and ended the 23/24 season still 2nd & losing from an 8 point lead the season before damaging what he thought worked really well to win the league, I honestly can't see anyone else improving Arsenal if Arteta was to leave
Tbh, while seeing arsenal play it looks they are not even trying to score but to go for corners, but that being said there is not a big name manager who is available in market.
If you had to pick one manager who would it be?
the only one that i think would fill the gap would be zidane
Xabi alonso
@ I don’t think he’d do any better
"my mum is Wenger in is she mad? "
Arsenal fans would be crying for Arteta back if they were to get rid of him. The grass isn't always greener. Being successful isn't always an upward trajectory, I'd be more concerned if next year they faltered again rather than make an improved title challenge.
Arsenals lack of scoring problem is because of the medication the players are taking for their blood pressure. They can probably get a note from their doctors
what?😭
@@Bryan-w5vThink it is a sopranos reference 😂
I think arsenal is not ready completly with the squad they have because what they lack is a proper striker to pop a ball in the net whenever and a defense that is consistent (like LB position etc.) and with how close they've got, twice to winning the league. With proper transfers in January to fix squad depth and fix some of the player positions we lack in I think they can properly start to win trophies (although Arteta has had almost 5 years now and still won nothing - apart from FA cup obviously and a few community shields)
Nah arteta doesn't need to be out, arsenal just need a true striker to come in. It's as simple as that. Saka is really the only threat up front, and he always has to cut in from the wing. It's a given if he wants to score. Corners/set pieces are fine, but a true striker would get them to the top of table. Gyorkes being the best prospect if he wants to go to arsenal. Havertz isn't cutting it as the forward.
As a Spurs fan, Arteta out sounds like a great idea
Oh, that's what "Artetterou" means.
Arteta is nowhere near losing his job. The team has had so many injuries and unfortunate suspensions so far this season. We haven’t been able to really get going. Plus we look incredible in the Champions League and could still win the Carabao and FA cups.
Arteta is a great manager, but not a winner. I'd give him one more season, if he doesn't win the league, it's done.
And then what? Back to finishing 8th😂.Arteta isn't a winner until he wins something and mind you this is his first club.Not many serial winners apart from maybe Pep won trophies in his first club or first couple of seasons.
@@fussball1433well let me give you some examples of winners who came off and running, anncelotti, Xavi Alonso, Inzagi, Diego Simoeone, Zidane, Xavi, and so on and so forth so get out of here with this losers mentality
No amount of tough spells could ever make me turn on Arteta. He's done so much to improve the team and become title challengers again.
I was rewatching all or nothing Arsenal edition. Honestly gunners fans should be grateful literally in 2021 they had no europe and were slapped 5-0 by City
As an Belgian Arsenal fan for 5 years,I think we should start asking questions if it all goes wrong this season(No UCL qualification I mean by that)/next season (No title/UCL challenge)
As a Brighton fan, this whole thing reminds me of Hurzeler out. After the best start to a season for Brighton in the premier league, people say he needs to go because of a couple of bad and disappointing losses
As an Arsenal Fan I am not onboard the Artea out bandwaggon it’s certianly frusting with certain Arsenal fans lose or draw some games and then bang get him out it's stupid but I must say Mikel has really messed up in certain areas this season of course we have had injuries but he has made some dumb decions to deal with them he has made some stange and stupid tactics also playing players out of possion overrince on corners, our defence hasn't been as strong as it was conceding too many goals and overrlice on Saka/Odegaard because usually when Odegaard doesn't play well Arsenal don't play well he is our only attacking option apart from Ethan who plays on the same side The problem is the LCM/Box-To-Box postion we need another player who can work well with Martinelli and give him creatvie support like Odegaard does with Saka Merino was suppose to be that guy to replace Xhaka which is stupid because we already replaced him with Rice but they want Merino to be as progressive as Xhaka was in his last season so it's support for Martinelli but Merino has been in and out and when he has played so far his hasn't really given that creatve proggressive support for Martinelli so there is no creatively on the left hand side and Calafori has been in and out with injuries but doesn't really look to give that overlabing support either and looks decent but more like a CB than a LB the reason why Martinelli did so well in the 2022/23 season is because he had attacking support from Xhaka and Zinny a golen trinagle you could say but since Xhaka left and Zinny kept on getting caught out deveifly Martinelli doesn't have that creatve support so he is ofern left on his own and but the main thing is we Still haven't bought a STRIKER which should of been on top of Mikel's summer signings wish list he thinks we are fine with Havertz who I must say has had a decent season but the guy is not cynical and more of a second striker anyways the guy is good but should be more a sqaud man backup for a stiker or Odegaard. Instead he gets a past his best LW to be a backup for Saka on Loan to shut Arsenal fans up. I thought it was a stupid transfer at the time and I been proved right the guy has bought no challenge for Saka nothing new not like when we bought Trossard who has pushed Martinelli and is a great second option and a good player to bring off the bench Sterling instead has brought nothing harly played and when he has he hasn't exactly impressed. Another thing with Livepool dropping points we haven't taken advantage and pushed them unlike Chelsea and we should have beaten Liverpool but we went far too defensive in the second half let them in the game and they took advantage. But overall i'm not on the bandwagon however I have been disappointed with Mikels decisions and it's cost us.
As an Arsenal fan, I’m so happy to see how we are. Where we came from is not for the faint hearted, just judging us this season is quite unfair. For Chelsea and Liverpool, who would’ve thought they’d be doing this well? The criticism is justified for us, but it’s not a reason to panic. After this season then yes we should be very worried
2:03 It's insane that you still have say "probably" 😂 There's no way they win it from here. They’ve really traumatised english fans.
As an arsenal fan, the ones saying arteta out are fans that did not sit through 90 mins of Emery football, the fans that didn’t watch us lose to Burnley at home for the first time in 25 years (no offence), the fans that didn’t watch us tear Man City for 45 mins on New Year’s Day. They are all reactionary click bait rage bait interaction farmers looking to get their £1 Twitter ad revenue (ps would like a video on the state of FT and the stake ads as that is an issue that should be addressed). This man said that when he first came to the club it was a complete soulless atmosphere and a shell of what he left it in 2016, and how those years of animosity made us lose out club and identity. This is a man who transformed the club both off and on the pitch, revisiting our old roots of the late 90s early 00s of wengers class with a modern spin. To say arteta out is a disgrace and not an intelligent take at all. I will prep his this that when we had that run in 2020 with one win in ten I wanted him gone. But it’s crazy how football works and how one game can make a project go boom, or how a game can tarnish a reputation. To me we are lucky to have such a man leading the team, it’s like if Klopp in 2021 had calls for his head after a sloppy title defence (which was the same time he’s been in the Liverpool job as arteta has been in the arsenal job), which never happened as they comfortably slumped a 4th place finish. I absolutely despise my fan base and those pricks at aftv lick their lips at this as they installed this toxic fan culture we see today all the way back in 2017. Arteta Out is not a thing by real arsenal fans, it is only there for interaction farming degenerates.
I hate hearing managers been sacked right middle of the season. Whoever decides the matter is very short sighted, often wrong.
Give them the time and support for them to work on it. I am a Liverpool fan. As everyone remember, it took 4-5 years for Klopp to creat his own very successful team. It took his devotion and our patience made it possible.
It would take a pretty big drop-off to justify sacking Arteta I'd say. Look at what happened with Spurs; in Pochettino they had a manager who elevated them to the next level, but was struggling to win the biggest trophies. They sacked him, and since have dropped back down to mediocrity. The reason why Arne Slot's performance is so incredible is because it's so rare for a great manager to be outdone straight away. For every Slot there's a Moyes at United, Emery at Arsenal etc.
The Arteta out movement, like it was back then, is only perpetuated by small section of our fan base. It's usually consists of the same people who did it the first time with some more joining in but I guarantee most Arsenal fans, including myself, still back Arteta despite our issues this season
He has been shielded charitably from the past 5 years 😊
Arsenal Fan TV Just Entered The Chat! 😲
The tweet of the guy saying Arteta is reviving AFTV is the most accurate one i've seen haha
Arsenal fans truly do not know how good they've got it
As a Man City fan....I can only give Areteta respect for what he has done to arsenal, I only see success this year for him and arsenal
1:01 - 😂 Erik Ten Hag vibes. If he's going down to that level, then they're certainly cooked
The people who say ‘how dare you question the manager’ are just toxic positivity merchants who see any criticism as ‘reactionary’ or ‘knee jerk’. That would be a fair comment if it was his first year, but he’s been in the job 5 years, taken the team from massive underachievement to about par and is now failing to take them any further. Why would it be impossible to find someone better when Liverpool have seamlessly replaced a legend with a relative unknown?
The majority of fans wanted Wenger out for achieving top 4 every year yet accept the same from Arteta despite his massive spending and poor talent ID/squad building. How is it possible we left ourselves with no out and out striker or back up for our attacking midfielder/wingers while at the same time selling squad players in those exact positions!
23 seconds ago is actually crazy
Said he needed to go two years ago and gotten constant hate for it, Lee Gunner was right AGAIN.
Honestly we should be grateful to even be competing at this level as Arsenal fans
Arsenal fans should appreciate this man... he's brought you to where you've always been.. hustling for 2nd place😂..
On a serious note though, he's a good coach, trust in him.. there aren't many good ones around
As a Liverpool fan do you think we will win the league
It's only December, and already there's only 2 real contenders. Liverpool ...and Chelsea (which I must admit, I did not expect. Jackson looks the real deal now). I can't see Liverpool slipping up though, you look very strong. City & Arsenal won't come close.
Yes
As an Arsenal Fan I never want him to go. Maybe 2 more seasons without trophies and perhaps then? Idk
From an outsider looking in, there's been some big misses on players brought in and there football is underwhelming at time. If they played good football consistently and built the squad better the questions wouldn't be being asked. So i think the critique is fair...
My take though is the PL is so competitive this season and there's so many good teams now it's a very difficult league to dominate. There's probably a dozen world class managers in the PL right now but only 2 or 3 can win the big trophies.
New American Arsenal Fan here, I’ve been following the club for a few years now. The league results have been frustrating, particularly this year. Fans are all over place on the transfer window, and I agree with the opinion we needed another attacker. That being said, we’re in the semis of the league cup, the FA cup hasn’t begun, and we’re 3rd in the champions league phase. If we don’t win a trophy this year I think the conversation should begin about sacking him, but there is a lot of football left to be played. I think the fans are getting baited by rival fans and over the top fans into screaming about Arteta.
Although Arteta has to take much blame, I’d say fans should direct it at the higher ups and their finances. They 100% have the money to bring in at least 1 World Class player or multiple elite players into their squad each summer. But instead of obtaining a monster striker like Osimhen, the board allowed Arteta to approach havertz (even through every fan was screaming for the club to get a striker any will do on top of Havertz)
And now when Arteta wants a striker after realizing havertz wont win them a league, the club most likely won’t back him to save (and pocket) the earnings.
Arsenal fans have no loyalty, honestly after what they did to Wenger I have no respect for them.
what did they do
It’s only fans deluded by aftv arteta has taken us to the next level and he’ll counting to do that
As a arsenal fan this is utterly stupid because we draw to games and now gunners are upset I mean 2 seasons ago we lost about 4-1 to man city and arteta managed to get out of that and now we can beat city the team do need improvements like attacking but arteta is using what he has
Spontaneously decided to order a print at 12:23am
"football has become a win now, or get out" it's been 5 years, never forget that, he has to start winning NOW.
i think your spot on. For me its okay that arsenal does not win a title if they at least play beautiful football. But since last year the football is stale and ugly and if it doesnt even lead to a title. what is the point? Im not Arteta out yet, but i do expect him to be more adaptable with his tactics. Like last week were he subbed 1 for 1 in a game where we needed a goal. Why? Arteta tactically looks like "playing it safe" became a obsession.
Klopp is also a great manager but lets be honest in 7 years he didn’t win much. Took him like 4 -5 years to win the pl too. It takes time. He is on his way. Rome wasn’t built in a year, or two, or ten. Liverpool too. It took years to start to play on a consistent level
I think he can help us win a couple of trophies and maybe a prem but he can’t make us a giant
You can be Arteta out, still love him, still appreciate the work he's done, still rate him as one of the most important people at Arsenal this century.
He's proven he can take a struggling club from midtable and turn them into consistent title challengers.
He hasn't proven he can win a title with us.
I would personally give him 18 months to win a big trophy - a UCL or League title.
If we haven't by May 2026, then unfortunately we may have to look to someone else to freshen things up.
Regardless, he deserves upmost respect and he is very very good manager.
Been arteta out since day one, he’s an absolute fool and his team are weaker than Arsenal have ever seen. He lets below average players like Saka run the asylum and his only successes was created and earned by Emery.
He took over the match before the FA cup final because he was being forced into the job. He was a pathetic, weak and terrible player for Arsenal and he’s the same as a manager.
As a Manchester United fan, I think Arsenal have probably been over performing the past couple seasons. I think it's ridiculous to sack the guy now. If you look at their squad, I think it's the third best squad in the league at best, so It's definitely unrealistic to expect them to win the league. They've also lost a bunch of points this season due to players idioticly getting sent off.
even city fans are talking of Pep out in this one abysmal season of theirs, after winning everything and making numerous records.
At some point Arteta has to win the league, its obviously within reach seems to me his lack of experience in winning titles as a head coach himself might be the reason they havent one. We all knew they needed a proper number 9 but Arteta argued against it... In my opinion he probably has 2 seasons to win the title. I dont really mind their form this season almost everybody has had dodgy results.
Reminds me of Wenger Out right now but... Dang how did it get like this that it's gotten to the Wenger Out levels of mess....?
As a Chelsea Fan Im the happiest that Arteta going no where for the next three seasons... he only need to finish top 4... I know arsenal waaaaay too much!!
As an Arsenal fan of a decade plus I have to say we have a lot of loud brain dead fans. We haven’t fully recovered from the toxicity of the late-Wenger era, though Mikel has improved the mood a lot. It doesn’t help that a lot of “fans” try to capitalize lack of success with reactionary rant videos, merch, etc.
Mikel is obviously imperfect, but calling for his head now would be insanely short-sighted.
I love arteta because he’s done a lot for the club. But this past match proved why Kai havertz was an unnecessary signing. Gabriel Jesus is a capable enough striker. If we were gonna buy someone it needed to be a massive upgrade. Arteta is at the point in his Arsenal Tenure where winning a trophy and signing a better striker is a must by the end of the summer…..
He may have Ramsdaled himself ironically lol
As an arsenal fan i love arteta but they became more and more impatient :(
he is a great coach no doubt but when you are arsenal the lack of trophies is concerning, you look at united even ten hag won 2 cups, arteta won one cup and ever since only fa shields (i think 1 or 2) 3 trophies isnt bad but considering their importance and that this is arsenal its far from a success at this point arsenal is waiting for tottenham to win one first and at the same time in europe he hasnt done much either last year he got to the quarter after getting one of the easiest draws in porto and then lost to the worst bayern team of the past 15 years
Eventually if they keep saying to trust the process and it’s a “phase” thing. They’re going to end up like the 76ers
As a United fan, i agree. Arteta Out and also Odegaard, Rice, Saliba and Gabriel needs to be sold off
I swear we need a clinical striker, a left winger and someone that creates more.
AFTV/Twitter is a cesspit toxic Arsenal fans
People need to also realise that Arteta doesn't always have a say on who gets signed
"Arteta Out" makes no sense... The guy is a two-time Community Shield Champion...
Arsenal are not sinking, they are just not rising. I don't see them sinking under Arteta.
Arsenal fans really went from Arteta being the best manager in the world to Arteta out in a span of couple months despite literally no changes in results or style of playing, which perfectly shows how delusional Arsenal fans are about their club, they just caught up with the fact they didn't win anything XD
Idk, Arteta's great, but I'd give it to Big Sam till the end of the season and then go from there.
Jesus, this guy is insufferable. It’s only negative stuff with him. Every video. I’m not even an arsenal fan. He must be miserable.
How shit the team was during covid and the meteoric rise that's happened since fans returned to the stadiums has given me some more patience it seems, as I've seen what can happen if you give a manager time. Idt this season should be win the league or get sacked for Arteta but I also acknowledge that if the team starts declining again then I'll likely start to think its time for a change of manager.
The more teams listen to their fans, the worse the team does. If Arsenal gets rid of Arteta, they can enjoy themselves at mid-table because that's where they'll end up season after season.
Friendly reminder that had he not parked the bus against man city in etihad last season they could have won the premier league, but they celeberated a 0-0 draw, Rodri was right, it is about mentality.
I'm not a fan of Arteta, but Arsenal, at the moment, couldn't get a better manager. He's been at the club for 5-6 years and took them from banter FC to title contenders.
He has to win the Champions League. That's the only way to prove a point and get the fans back on his side. They have allowed Liverpool and Chelsea to move ahead in the league. While Man City have fallen? This season was their best opportunity to win it.
nah he will not win champions league with likes of liverpool and bayern been there
As an Arsenal fan hearing Arteta out drives me nuts for how much he’s done for the club. Aftv is crazily toxic and so many of the fans are deluded. We have been over preforming for the last two years in my opinion. Our squad is not that good compared to a Liverpool or city maybe even Chelsea. the Kronkes don’t want to dish out the money for a game changer and our fans are so impatient. 4 years ago we where a mid table club ffs
“The kronkes dont want to dish out the money for a game changer” we’ve spent 800m
And now Chelsea appear to be heading back to their annoyingly consistent days which will be another headache for Arsenal.
I trully don't understand the people that still believe in Arteta. We are in his fifth year in charge, and it's pretty obvious that he just can't get the job done. He's not a title winner coach despise of that FA cup win. This Is Arsenal, our history is so, so big and people need to understand that this club deserves more. And Arteta just can't give that to the club. For me, his tenure on Arsenal is over
I knew someone will take theat arteta comment on trophies out of context. He was clearly laughing and sarcastic in the interview and immediately said its not enough right after it. You can't exactly translate everything in text form
English banter needs to talk about the big clubs and this is the only story. Utd is rebuilding, LPool and Chels are fine for now, and City is not cared for enough, so this is the only story.
I wouldn't be surprised if the original big four will once again lockdown the top 4 places in a few years time.
Fake news. Anyone who says this isn’t a real fan 😂
We should stop all of this. Arsene Wenger wasn´t told to get our cause he didn´t won anything between 04/05 and 13/14.
He will know when his doings are wrong. Maybe the prem campaign isn´t the greatest now, but they actually perform very well in the champions league tho.
A few unlucky decisions. Quite a lot of injuries. Dropping points in games we should win. Even with this, we are 3rd in the ucl and prem. City have fewer injuries than us and spurs and look at what's happened there
well basically thats how a section of my Arsenal fanbase been in a nutshell
No don’t leave arteta. We need an elite finisher. If we still don’t win with one then maybe but until then the tactics are fine, the coaching is fine, There’s 0 reason to change this up.
he has no right to be the second best paid manager, it is a offence for guys that have been managing for years fron lower leagues to premier
So far the furthest I've gone is considering candidates in case the club don't think we're moving forward. In doing so also proving why he shouldn't go as my number 1 pick to replace him was Thomas Frank...
On the actual issues, our system is fine but an issue dating back to last season is the left wing. When you have Ødegaard and Saka on the right hand side your going to be right side dominant but teams know that. Against Everton and Fulham and Man United they stacked 4 players on them and had the entire team move to that side to defend outside of the right winger and right back who are trusted to handle the left side. Martinelli and Trossard failed to beat Ashley Young 7/7 times. If we had a Nico Williams or Lookman Everton and Fulham wouldn't dare leave them 1v1 against their right back and that would free up space for Øde and Saka. There's another solution, move Øde to the left and play Rice or Ethan as a right 8.