Core Truths: Intel's Unbelievable Series of Own Goals
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Intel calls out AMD for doing all the things Intel are already doing. Incredible.
See the slides here videocardz.com/newz/intel-com...
0:00 - What did Intel do?
0:28 - Core Truth 1
2:37 - Core Truth 2
3:46 - Core Truth 3
5:47 - Core Truth 4
8:43 - Borrowing from Userbenchmark? - Ігри
This intel marketing thing was the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen a big company put out.
They do the same thing when AMD introduce first 64x Computing in Athlon64x and Phenom Quad Core Until AMD made blunder to FX edition
Then you haven't seen a lot of things in your life being put out by companies
Nah the Pepsi rebrand is the most notorious and for good reason
Maybe they put UserBenchmark in charge of marketing 🤔
They hired some blue haired millenial to do it
Who did they hire to make this PowerPoint presentation? Userbenchmarks?
intel marketing is like your ex who never move on and keep trying to make you jealous
Quite literally at this point@@mickolesmana5899
chat gpt trained on userbenchmark materials
UsherBenchshark would definitely put this on their main page.
@@reptarien Nice callback to Phillip's earlier video on Usingpenchart's various names.
Good to see the UserBenchmark lad finally land a job at Intel!
When I used the Vega 64 benchmark to prove that Userbenchmark was funded by Intel, i received death threats from 2017 to 2022.
@@milesfarber ...what?
@@milesfarberproof?
well, after this fiasco, he might've just lost it
UserBenchmark, Intel Inside.
The comparison of writing styles between the slide deck and user benchmark though...I'm convinced the slides and site are written by the same zealot at intel.
If userbenchmark now suddenly becomes less blatantly anti-AMD that would pretty much confirm it.
That’s what I was thinking
It’s pretty well known that Intel pays people to make them look good
What zealot? That's how bean counters in marketing departments are like. Any company
No. real companies are bound by truth-in-advertising laws. Which is why Intel very quickly took this slide deck offline. It clearly went up without any vetting.
Clearly contains cult-like language and bias and falsehoods.@@Steel0079
"Latest doesn't mean better"
Thanks Intel 🥶
Thanks steve
hi hardware
I wish I would have known this before going to MP3-to-MIDI school
If the education thing was real , no one from a third world country would ever be able to study because very few students are able to buy the newest hardware and if they do , won't upgrade for a long time
Legit. I know someone who finished his CS degree with a Core 2 Quad Q8400 overclocked to hell and back. That was in 2020. Older hardware are generally still perfectly viable for most uses!
yeah 99% of the time you only need to to buy newer hardware because software is getting worse over time
as long as you don't update things for no reason you'll be fine forever
Userbenchmarks guy finally got what he always craved for: a job at Intel's marketing department.
this has userbenchmark written all over it
When I used the Vega 64 benchmark to prove that Userbenchmark was funded by Intel, i received death threats from 2017 to 2022.
Or Ryan Shrout.
@@milesfarberreally? That’s outrageous
The thing about needing the latest technology to learn isn't even correct - I'm a 2nd year CS student and the newest CPU I've ever used is a Ryzen 2700X.
Unless you're an engineer and need to do CFD or some shit, even a 10 year old CPU will suffice
T'was an Intel ad about doing maths homework on a new blazing fast high-end Intel laptop. Meanwhile I use a computer algebra system from the sixties - how did they manage back then?
@@2kliksphilip how will the next generation cope without 300FPS on CS???? explain AMD????
I'm a first year computer engineering student with a Ryzen 5 1600AF, and not once have I yearned for a better CPU except when gaming
fuck, I'm graduating CS next year and I'm still rocking an Intel Celeron laptop running on Arch Linux lmao
imma upgrade to an AMD Ryzen CPU tho, and honestly Intel should stick in developing their Intel Arc GPUs, they have potential to be great
Hearing caboosing in a higher pitch at 8:43 immediately transcended me to a state of pure euphoria. keep it up
lmfao that fucking song
i thought it's a lower pitch
Since the kaboosing video I've noticed each and every instance of Philip using it and it's been fun to wait impatiently what the kaboosing part of this or that video will be about, lol.
Very happy seeing someone mention BAPCo, and how it’s effectively just an Intel MCP program branch of their company lol. It was also registered with intels Santa Clara campus address. Also crossmark exists to attack apple / ARM, hence the cross part of crossmark it’s a benchmark software to try and compare ARM and Intel x86 products
this kind of marketing tends to point me towards their competitors. Because to me talking down on the competition only serves to indicate that they are desperate
Weird how Intel didn't learn a thing when AMD did the same tactic against Nvidia when releasing RDNA3, though not to the same level as Intel did here.
@@lycanthossit seems intel marketing staff are userbenchmark
AMD is a company too. don’t expect either of them to truly care about you
Neither are your friend.
@@lycanthoss AMD's 'Overclockers' dream' and 'Poor Volta' also come to mind.
intel should spend more time improving their hardware instead of picking on amd. not saying amd is innocent though…
Neither are the good guys, yes.
in AMD you have to tweak numbers yourself instead of AMD doing R&D. Both suck
@@f3rny_66strange way to say that AMD has allowed overclocking for all (non X3D) cpus and motherboards and Intel locked it down for K chips and Z series motherboard
@@f3rny_66cant even get your facts straight. AMD CPUs do auto overclock, you can try to get more speed/efficiency by doing it manually. But you are not required, you have the option and thats something you cant say about intel.
Clearly one is better at building their brand and do marketing tho
Very well made and informative video. I get that this isn't something that gets the most views but I appreciate you tons for making it!
I have been on Intel since the first ice age, but that changed a month ago, I now have a full AMD system for the first time ever, can't say I am disappointed.
Same here. I have a 7800X3D and just ended up lowering the clock speeds. Extremely low thermal output.
My last Intel was a core 2 quad. Great CPU. I started having issues with the USB ports. Then I built a PC with an fx8320. It was just supposed to hold me off until Intel had some better parts. After a while I just gave up because nothing was worth upgrading.
Finally built a new system with a 7800x3d.
@@I.C.Weiner not sure how it was on core 2 quads but modern intel uses mobo usb controlers so it isnt cpu fault only ryzens have both cpu and mobo ones
Congratulations and. good choice. I got. 2x 5800X3D and 1x 7800X3D.
I love those low TDP Monster fast CPU. 65w. Max. Shitel need 160w and will be slower.
@@erisium6988 it was the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650. And the USB issues were of the physical nature. The actual USB headders on the back IO ports on the motherboard were coming loose from the board. So a bump or tug on a cord could take out all the USB on the back.
Now tell me Userbenchmark isn't sponsored by Intel
I think the UserBenchmark guy is just an Intel simp.
being an unpaid zealot makes userbenchmark far less risky as an astroturfing tool because by actually being unaffiliated fanatics they can't be proven to be paid by intel
You have to understand what Intel means by "customer" and "consumer". It's a difference you might not agree with. But end users are just consumers. Customers are purely SI and OEMs, partners are a level higher than that.
So these slides are targeted towards laptop OEM "customers" executives. Because there is reporting that a lot of laptop OEMs are only putting amd CPUs in their products. And intel wants to win rhem back purely on marketing talk. This isnt meant as a communication directly from into to consumers that endup buying a laptop. Its meant to give oems more marketing talking points.
AMD had their "advance ai" event yesterday and Intel will gave their AI PC a few days from now.
still doesnt mean you have to insult anyones intelligence in the process, we are not morons and we can easily spot lies such as these.
@@jojojojo4332 People en large are complete morons tho and the common political discourse around the world alone proves that point. Talking about the western hemisphere things are even worse because you'd assume people with so many means of education would aim somewhat higher but no.
I was going to say, this looks like the average slide deck that Intel makes for salesmen to look at when selling laptops. It's supposed to give them talking points for Intel over AMD; all it really does is provide fodder for people to laugh at.
I've always found it hard to trust Intel. They have a long history of lying about or telling half-truths about features of their products. For example: When criticizing Intel's 486 SX, OG System Shock programmer Mark LeBlanc said "The SX stood for 'Sucks', because the floating point math function," which was one of the primary features of the SX "was totally broken." And they NEVER FIXED IT.
Plus, there is some evidence that they played a role in certain allegations against AMD. I won't get into that much, here.
I'm a simple man. I see System Shock reference, I like.
They also payed some electronics shops to only sell Intelbased computers. Intel is shady.
get into it here
Wasnt an allegation, they got sued and lost and had to pay reperations
The 486SX came with disabled FPU by specification.
I laughed out loud during the "MP3 to MIDI" part.
If you read the techincal footnotes for June 2023, they claimed the Ryzen 7 chips are 6 core parts when they're 8 core parts. I'm kinda surprised that hardly anyone has picked up on that.
I just learned that 7520U is Mendocino, which is a NEW chip. As in, it's not a renamed old chip (Renoir), but rather an actual new tapeout (new mask set) chip.
Its goal is to make a physically small (i.e. cheap) chip for the low-end market, using Zen2 cores and TSMC's 6N process. It has an actual reason to exist, in my opinion.
Agreed. Some say giving it 7xxx branding is misleading but it does have LPDDR5 support and an RDNA2 iGPU so fits with other 7000 parts in that regard.
The Biggest issue with the 7520 is that it is just a clock bump Vs the 7320 so it should remain Ryzen 3 as a 7325.
Also Zen2 is actually pretty good in 4c/8t and below configs in TDP constrained scenarios like cheap thin and lights.
Wtf is this weird "wow this whole video is AI" brigade going on??? Just because he used a couple AI-generated images?
I feel like this is going to happen a lot more across all of YT.
@@2kliksphilipmakes me wonder if youtube is pushing your content to a new audience. The video does not feel any different than your previous uploads.
@@2kliksphilipThey're saying your voice sounds so great and of such a high quality that it must be fake!
Phil, do you think Intel hired their strongest soldier from userbenchmark?
When I used the Vega 64 benchmark to prove that Userbenchmark was funded by Intel, i received death threats from 2017 to 2022.
@@milesfarberbro how many comments would you reply this under? spamming isn't cool
@@RamkrishanYT UA-cam deletes comments that spread the truth. Sometimes, it doesn't work.
Gotta love how "AI and machine learning" is such a big talking point in those slides, yet the GPU is more important in that regard than the CPU. Moreover, it's the VRAM amount that is often the limiting factor, at least when using consumer grade hardware.
What’s bizarre to me about the education argument is that outside of niche use cases, the average student (at least in the US) is using a computer that’s at the bottom of the barrel in terms of performance. Typically something like an Intel Pentium or Celeron slapped on a board with 4GB of memory for use in a Chromebook or other comparable low-power laptop.
will you make a video about "The talos principle 2"?
I really love your videos where you talk about your experience you've had with a game you enjoy. Like Hexcells, dirt rally, kingdom come... Keep up the content you are 2kliks and kliksphilip are great.
@@2kliksphilip hip hip hooray!
@@2kliksphilipit’s not as good as the first one(and imo the first one is very very good), but good nonetheless, like 7.5 or 8. Performance wise though…
I second this! Philip, it was your video on the first Talos Principle which compelled me to play the first one, and I just completed the second one. It had even more of an impact on me than the first game... I have a feeling you're going to love it. (I recommend going for 100% completion and finding every second - it's WELL worth it.) I'm so grateful you made that initial video - the Talos Principle 1 and 2 are amazing. Thankyou.
I scored a 12900k for 100 bucks a year ago. Some wholesaler was getting rid of them. Love it!
Wow thats amazing!
amazing deal. i bought a 5800x a few months before the 5800x3D dropped LOL
Is this a marketing post? What does it have to do with the video?
@@maskettaman1488 it's a processor-buying story. In the processor video. That's it.
Intels plants really are everywhere
Using a distorted version of Caboosing for UserBenchmark is so fitting
i'm going to go out on a limb and say this was an early draft of a presentation set up by a marketing rep that wasn't supposed to go out when it did
Thats a stretch
So when was it supposed to go out, the heat death of the universe? There is no world in which any form of this presentation would have not made Intel look beyond idiotic.
@@2kliksphilip sunk cost fallacy in action i guess
@@NightKev If it was only and specifically supposed to be seen by Investors (the kind that are older than computers and understand as much as you'd expect on the topic), this could work as a hit piece.
@@slyseal2091 Ah, I suppose so. It makes more sense in that case; show a bunch of nonsense to stupid people to get their money.
I mentioned this elsewhere, but when I looked up the Crossmark scores, I immediately knew it reeked of bullshit when I saw a 12600K on a B660 outperforming the 13900K(S) on a Z790 by several thousand points. (I didn't mention the Xeon listed in the chart because I didn't pay nearly as much attention to that, to say nothing of my more limited knowledge of HEDT/workstation stuff, but the 12600K also had a large lead over one.)
Maybe the 13900K was thermal throttling.
@@saricubra2867 Even then, the 12600K's performance is nowhere near the 13900K(S)'s. The thermal throttling required to do that would be so extreme that the power would probably be cut well before that can even happen, assuming the processor doesn't melt instead.
@@saricubra2867that's equally as bad, benchmarks are meant to eliminate as many bottleneck factors as possible
There's a persistent rumor that laptop OEMs are disappointed in Meteor Lake, with it supposedly being worse than Raptor Lake in some cases (I wonder if the cancellation of Meteor Lake desktop variants has anything to do with that), and will be leaning onto AMD instead. Their deals must've honestly been amazing if it took them this long to realize that Intel has been under performing and delaying products for years, meanwhile AMD has been executing perfectly since Ryzen.
@@2kliksphilipI trust channels like Moore's law is dead to the extent of "something is coming out", since they like to exaggerate for hype and views sometimes. I think intel is probably having firmware issues
Can't believe you misspelled userwinchbark
Ryan Shrout's style is all over it 😂 Remember "cores glued together"? 😂
2kliksphilip, ive been watching your videos for years, and I know what you sound like. I don't know how prople think the voice is ai generated. If something was off, I'd know it. These people don't know what they're talking about.
It's because this video was made by AMD. They hacked his channel to release this video. 😢
Back in early 2000's when Intel was neck-deep in Netburst doo-doo, they tried to launch a desperate campaign about how AMD is making misleading implications with the Athlon XP 's 2000+, 2200+ and such model numbers, as those numbers did not match the actual clock speed of the processor. True enough, they didn't, and according to AMD's official statement it was a number for meaningful comparison to the previous generation Athlon processors, but in truth they meant performance comparable to the P-IV clock speeds. Intel pulled the plug real fast when they realized telling people how their super high speed processors struggled against AMD's much fewer clock cycles and lower energy consumption was aiming at their own foot.
I seriously appreciate the thumbnail of this video
Incredible, now I want to swap my i7 for an AMD chip. Thanks intel!
AMD isn't any less shady, they just happen to be on social media's good side right now
@@moonashastill way better than intel, remember they bribe company like dell to not use amd.
@@moonashaAll publicly traded companies first and foremost care about profits and appeasing their share holders. That's not a secret and there's nothing shady in that.
4:54 Esports is top of the list of Students' Needs, apparently.
Id love a simple comment on what benchmark suite to use since bad ones were brought up.
Geekbech is your "do it all bench". And it's also cross platform.
Intel used to show off Cinebench results when they were beating AMD. Now that AMD has handily beat them at it for a couple of generations, they don't like it anymore.
I use Cinebench R23 and Passmark, I have also started to look at Geekbench, not sure I believe the cross-platform scores are right but then it is hard to do apples to apples in the circumstances - different OSes
Huh? What's with the sudden "AI generated" accusations? Is there something in the water?
my worry is that this presentation is made more for big company higher-ups that manufacture laptops and such than us tech enthusiasts. Problem is that I'm sure there are people who have lots of decision making power who would fall for this...
Who made the slides? I think it was the supervisor of the person who writes the MSI manuals
Used to code on i3-2100, no issues unless compiling something BIG. Idk why you would need a newest hardware to run MS Teams classes.
It's like when an ISP recommends a 100 Mbits down/up to "send emails"
I studied CS and for the last 2 years I worked on a Asus eee 901 netbook with an intel atom N270 processor because my original core duo laptop died. I had zero issues programming, taking notes and doing all my work on this dinky single core 32-bit processor.
Sure visual studio or netbeans took a bit of time to boot and compiling took a bit longer than classmates with rigged out i7 workstation laptops, but mine went for about 5 hours on a full battery (7-8 if I dimmed the screen and let the CPU run in a low-power state) compared to their max 2 hr runtime and I could stick it in my backpack along with a full-size keyboard and mouse while weighing half of any other laptop alone.
Even developed a game for the xbox 360 running visual studio, photoshop and 3d studio max on that tiny thing, just hook it up to external monitor and go. Having a faster CPU is nice as a student but it's in no way required. Basically anything made in the last 10 years should work fine as long as the rest of the hardware (like storage and RAM) isn't craptastic.
One of the weirdest things was linking CPUs to age - no - the smartest kids are on Raspberry Pis actually learning about computers properly.
Can't believe the ubermenchbark guy finally landed a job at Intel. I'm so happy for him
I'm not sure what AMD is doing is misleading. They have an excellent portfolio of technologies and it makes it easier and more cost effective to rework into a new product lineup than other segmentation methods. The 7520U is leveraging Zen 2 architecture with RDNA2 graphics supporting LPDDR5 on a 6nm process. It's an small 100mm2 inexpensive low-end low power monolithic processor that provides enough processing power for the word processing, web crawling, and email reading public. It's a smart strategy to leverage Zen 2, Zen 3, and Zen4 along with RDNA2 and 3. It's called a lineup for the 7000 series. Intel does it but hides the fact under the E-core misnomer. The average person buys solely on price and what the idiots at Best Buy tells them, so I'm not sure what all the whining and pearl clutching is all about.
I don't like what AMD is doing, but there is a delicious irony in Intel pointing it out while doing something much worse. At least AMD uses the last 2 digits of the model number to indicate what tech you're buying. Intel just takes the same silicon, calls it Salt Lake or whatever, and claims it's new.
The age associations sounds like some kind of creepy tech horoscope for kids.
6:57
hearing that from philip made me somewhat surprised but also happy
Always thought that it's very weird for companies to dritectly mention a competitior or a competitors product in their ads.
That's not legal here.
Technically this is not an ad, something like research
will you ever upload the new version of crossing those islands?
Reusing old chip designs with slight improvements under a new name is completely fair imo. Old designs for low end and new ones for high end makes sense also. I do not see a problem with this as long as nobody claims their chips are new architecture.
As far as I can tell most of the Raptor Lake mobile parts are Raptor Lake in name only (they don't include additional cache over Alder Lake mobile) so even if we assume they were talking about mobile parts on number 2, it's still wrong.
4:15 man I just hate when kids educational chances are ruined because their computers take 50 milliseconds longer to convert mp3 to MIDI :(
the absolute bluntness shown talking about BAPCo's site caught me off guard but i support it
I have an intel 10700f which I’ve used and liked over the last 3 years. I am shopping for a new cpu and motherboard for the first time. This presentation convinced me to get a 7600x.
I watch this wonderful and informative video... so I look at the comments and it's full of the same "is this AI generated?" comments... My brain is melting. I can't tell if the comments are AI generated or if this is all some odd joke.
Shows intel's cpu's can't compute anything other than "is this AI generated?" to AMD videos😂 or usebemmak has evolved beyond its shitty intellary genitalgobbling and started attacking youtubers😂😂🤣🤣
It's a meme at this point
Great vid im definitely team amd at present because the power draw is less and electricity costs money. 65W draw from a ryzen 9 is ideal
That intel core truth is literally me in an exam when they ask me to expand on your answer,just repeating the same. Sentence with little difference and without really knowing the answer
Any brand that spends its time trashing its competitors rather than selling itself isn't worth your time. Hell I had an 11400f that died on me the other day after only 2 years of light usage.
Esports thing is funny because its usually the exact opposite on how its normally marketed with low end cpu's being touted as E-sports. As Esports labeled games are generally made to run well on weaker or older hardware..
Maybe for the top tier champions running 480hz displays who are also streaming at the same time.
10:16 12900KF is also slower than 12600K and 12700? Where did these number came from?
the "rambling" at 8:20 looks completely normal upon inspection. he's making a cogent point pretty efficiently there.
Just realised I've been watching your channels for 10 years now
intel will hopefully never fall behind as much as AMD did during the pre ryzen era. its a bad thing for consumers if there is no real competition. that being said, I have always been an AMD user, even when the god awful fx 8370 (that I owned and used until the 5000 series dropped) was the top of the line. so this type of goofy shenanigans from intel vindicates my decision to stick with them during their worst lmao
Yo 2klik, can you do a video on the top 5 optimized games all of time? Looking for a game to play on my Celeron laptop lmaoo
@@2kliksphilip Don't forget Minesweeper. It's a classic!
Original Doom from 1993 running on software renderer source ports (i.e. PrBoom+ without OpenGL, old ZDoom versions)
@@2kliksphilip lmaooooo 🤣
No joke, check out Warframe. The optimization they have done on it is insane. I think even the switch can play it reasonably well
Sure mate. Doom64 or something like that. I can just give my steam library and the latest one do work fine at low/med
This is what I want this chanel content to be about, small stuff, but interesting beyond news.
intelbenchmark went full cpubenchlarkmark
hey philip, it seems you uploaded the subtitles from other video on this one.
"Your cigarettes are toasted. Everyone else's cigarettes are poison"
Zen2 on laptop was released 2020, so Intel using desktop architecture release for a laptop comparison too
Always watch these vids while drinking coffee in the morning hehe
So, Intel is calling out AMD for... [checks notes] doing the same thing Intel is doing but being more transparent about it?
I really wonder what compelled Intel to make this. Like, what benefit does it serve?
They were clearly high on perceived superiority of the company and counted on the masses to be mindless consumers
This seems like the training material I used to take to get a steep discount on intel processors back when I worked retail.
Imagine how fast you could convert MP3 to MIDI in Ableton Live! Definitely a daily task most elementary students have to struggle with. Think of their education!
the background music is a bit different in this one???
I think the is a reason why Zen2 is still being used, besides being cheap, is the unparallell performance at lower TDP. Zen2 is more efficient at 15w and lower than Zen3 and Zen4, so it makes sense to still use it, even more with a upgraded node process (6nm).
That's why Valve have gone with a Zen2 core intead the already available and more powerful Zen3
Another thing to consider is that, beginning with Zen 3 the CCDs are designed primarily to be either 6 or 8 cores. Disabling _half_ of a Zen 3/4 CCD to make a quad-core chip and sell it at a low price just doesn't make any sense, at least to me. From what I understand their bins are much better now than in the Phenom II days when core unlocking was a thing.
05:26 Oh, i see something weird. Data science & simulation and modeling are supposed to be in "students, ages 11-14" group. Can you imagine 11 year old doing data science?
oh yeah, what should we use instead of userbenchmark?
@@2kliksphilip compare CPUs and GPUs before buying, especially mobile chips, typically against what i already have
@@carbharharbcar5867Hardware unboxed is great.
Impressive shit, I could swear this presentation was a well-made joke by some random youtuber, but it turned out it is actual stuff intel made, insane! I don't think I'll be able to process all this in anytime soon, it is just too crazy to me
@@2kliksphilip yep, were me I'd totally believe this is a decent crafted bait lol
please give link to original Core_Truths_Q4_2023.pdf file thanks
Converting MP3s to MIDIs? That's actually a thing? Haha.. This is the first I've ever heard of this.
I knew you were gonna bring up User Dredge Shark.
I love intel but they are digging their own grave every quarter of the year
I don't like Intel and I am happy seeing them digging their own grave. This is all they deserve for trying to buy the OEMs from using AMD's CPUs and GPUs.
Where were the slides first released? The Intel twitter?
Did you use ai to generate the soccer ball in face artwork?
@8:02 What they achieved with me was that I switched to AMD and Radeon completely. I am probably not alone.
2:28 Yes and no. The 7000 lineup for old Ryzen architectures adds DDR5 support, that Zen2 and Zen3/3+, didn't have. And the naming scheme has been publicly announced and clarifies the architecture right there. And yes, as you speculated, this is only for laptops. The example used by intel, the 7520U, says: 2023 Ryzen 5 processor, with Zen 2 architecture, lower/regular model, low consumption (*). If you presented me with a 8945HX (just to say a random number, no idea if it will ever exist) I could as easily tell you that it's a processor released in 2024, Ryzen 9, Zen4, higher model, with highest consumption and performance available (55W+ TDP), so ideal for extremely heavy multi-tasking workloads, like high res streaming of CPU intensive games, and your battery life and lifespan will suck, as that puppy needs to be plugged almost all the time once you factor it will be paired with an equally high end / high consuming GPU.
And this is information publicly announced by AMD, with reviewers memeing about the decoder disc they got with the announcement, not hidden under rags like intel 14th gen alleged 7nm when it's actually the same 10 nm architecture as the 12th generation, just rebranded as "Intel 7" and they still upcoming 7 nm processors that will now be, if we are lucky, the 15th gen, instead of the 14th as they had announced, being made by the foundry that makes AMD's 4 nm processors, because intel is uncapable of manufacturing them themselves.
So while a laptop carrying a Ryzen 5 7520U technically has a similar CPU (based on the same technology, at least) to a 2021 Ryzen 5 5500U, perhaps even inferior in some regards, I know off the bat that the silicon is less degraded (even if the 5500 was never used, silicon degrades passively over time), and that it is paired with vastly faster RAM (DDR5 vs DDR4, difference is insane) and newer (and potentially better or at least better optimized) GPU cores integrated (again with newer silicon), that will also benefit from the DDR5 RAM.
(*) First number is the release year: 7 = 2023, 8 = 2024, add 1 for each year.
Second is the processor: 1/2 are Athlon, 3/4 are Ryzen 3, 5/6 are Ryzen 5, 7 Ryzen is 7, 8 can be Ryzen 7 or 9, and 9 is Ryzen 9
Third number represents the architecture: 1 for Zen1/Zen1+, 2 for Zen2, and so on.
Fourth number usually means nothing, unless there are 2 processors in the same segment, in which case 0 means the one with a bit lower performance, 5 means the higher one.
The letter represents the TDP: HX for 55W+ TDP, H for 35W+, U for 18-25W, same as C but that's for Chromebooks (so likely lower performance), and W is the same as U but fanless at 9W TDP (so with potentially restricted by firmware performance to stay cool). In this specific situation, higher TDP means higher performance, and it always means higher consumption, and heat generation.
When comparing different systems (this doesn't apply here, but as general knowledge), instead of higer performance, higher TDP can mean the opposite, like an overexertion of an old/obsolete architecture to expunge a little extra performance so that it looks more marketable (as it happened with AMD's pre-Ryzen Bulldozer/Vishera architecture), and can lead to a shorter lifespan, thermal throttling decreasing its performance or needing more efficient/powerful cooling solutions, and other issues. It can also mean a difference in architecture, as it currently happens with Intel processors, that usually have a higher TDP regardless if they provide a lower, equal or higher performance than a given Ryzen, because their older architecture is about 1.5X~2X the size of AMD's, so it requires more power and generates more heat.
the 7520u is a new cpu tho, there was no zen 2 rdna2 lpddr5 chip in 2019
I dont mind older arch if it's binned better and decent, but the ryzen 5 7520u is quite sneaky because it's also a 4 core part while all r5 were 6 core in the previous series and they're a lot faster in multicore than this 'newer' Ryzen 5.
I was actually buying a laptop with this chip till I googled the specs and was horrified by the trick...that said,... writing a book about it, by tue company who gave us endless rebrands and 5% 'performance' from gen 3 to gen 7 of its chips🙄
It's priced around i3 1215U and performs slightly worse so i would not complain. I recommend everyone to buy used laptops, unless you really need that long battery life and efficiency of latest ones.
@@vadnegru exactly; if it were labeled as Ryzen 3 it was OK, but it's not an R5, not a 7series at least...only problem is,..Intel isnt the one to school us about it.
I'm glad you pointed out that user benchmark site.
It's always at or near the top of searches for CPUs and GPUs and has that blatant anti-AMD bias you mentioned.
I'm a fan of both AMD and Intel. I like great products and they both make great products.
If you look down on benchmark results it's actually useful. They hiding 64 threads score because AMD historically were better at this (surprise, now they don't).
There is no other way to compare my Xeon E5 2666v3 to shiny new Ryzen 7800x3d
Last upgrade 2017/19 spent about $3k+ i7.900k and rtx 2080super waterforce (that cost me$1600) all watercooled prices stil the same in 2023 thats how good they were
just bought a 4wd and be out camping fishing gold detecting & catching up with old mates havent drivin since 2010
so the ball game will be +100% in adventure getting old so time is the essence fishing camping gold uno out there doing real chit again enjoying the wild life the serenity of it all :)
Dad a guys selling a 10ft boat for $550 Tell him he's dreaming ha! that aussie movie is a classic
Note the last 3 cpus from intel where all the same copy cats crap $ you save 1,000.s by not buying into there scamy updates as with AMD all full of chit now they've reached the limits
intel 2024 going into ARM cpus that they walked away from apple back in the day :) Karma has it $
That ending was golden.
Intel's naming scheme is how Amazon scammers get away with selling used 2nd gen i7's as gaming PCs as clueless consumers prefer them over brand new modern i3's. 7 is bigger than 3 and that's all some people need to know.
MP3 to MIDI is such a weird use case for Intel to benchmark here
Some people may have been let go over this and it has been pulled.
I think maybe Intel hired the owner of Userbenchmark to make this!
The best marketing is projection
Obviously
I'm convinced that these slides were made to cause controversy so that people talk about intel
This desperation started when Intel laughed at AMD's "glued on chiplets" a few years ago, well close to ten years ago actually
"You don't want GlUeD oN TzchipPletzz do you??"
-Intel CEO, whoever that is