I tested it against a REAL TAPE MACHINE! || Tape Sculptor

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  • Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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    INDEX:
    00:00 Intro
    00:26 What is it?
    01:27 Testing
    03:34 Degrade
    06:31 Wow & Flutter
    08:42 Delay
    09:17 Comparing to the REAL TAPE
    11:16 Rant 1
    13:51 Matching settings better
    14:46 The settings paradox
    15:40 Rant 2
    16:50 Conclusion
    18:41 Support me!
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  • @peppercrybeatz
    @peppercrybeatz Рік тому +76

    rule number 1... never ask an engineer who uses real tape to critique a tape emulator

    • @Whiteseastudio
      @Whiteseastudio  Рік тому +18

      Apparently

    • @PharaohLawLess1
      @PharaohLawLess1 Рік тому +5

      Yeah they were real brave in asking him to review their plugin

    • @syjwg
      @syjwg Рік тому +2

      I hope every programmer/plugin maker sees this video. Keep it simple! (RFC 1958:3.5). Create something initially great and also focus on simplicity.

    • @vigilantestylez
      @vigilantestylez Рік тому +1

      I used a Studer and compared the closest tape machine I can find is the UAD studer but even then, it has this digitalness to it, but about 90% of the character of the real machine was there. Slate VTM sounded cool, but was too warm, and had this weird top end just like the tape plugin in this video. Actually, the tape plugin in this video sounds so similar to TB Reelbus which sounds like poo to me.

    • @peppercrybeatz
      @peppercrybeatz Рік тому +1

      @@vigilantestylez I use the uad studer it is actually pretty good. 👍

  • @poorlittlemonkey
    @poorlittlemonkey Рік тому +52

    I can’t imagine waking up in 2023 and thinking to myself “the world needs another emulation plugin”

    • @Whiteseastudio
      @Whiteseastudio  Рік тому +10

      Indeed 🥵

    • @dans5529
      @dans5529 Рік тому +21

      Unless that emulation finally matches or even surpasses the analog equivalent.

    • @EnervatedSociety
      @EnervatedSociety Рік тому +5

      I can't imagine needing another plugin at all. I rarely buy plugins because I already got one in each category and it's essentially the same crap over and over in a different skin.
      That said. I'm still waiting for anyone to make one that actually sounds like what they claim to emulate. There's some close ones, but not all the way there yet, that I know of.

    • @FredDeMassiveAlambic
      @FredDeMassiveAlambic Рік тому +1

      I 100% agree, but at the same time once every two year a plugin gets it right..
      Timp SSL Compressor for instance : we needed 50 emulations to get one right

    • @vigilantestylez
      @vigilantestylez Рік тому +2

      They do need them, because they keep getting it wrong. Would love for them to get it right for once. I use the Brainworx emulations only because I like the workflow, and they sound good, I usually need some kind of analog hardware in the chain to make the mix sound more "true analog".

  • @ORUMusic
    @ORUMusic Рік тому +5

    My go-to for tape vibe has become Airwindows ToTape6, and I think that one is gonna be hard to beat.
    Just gives great color and warmth right away on default settings, and only has a few simple parameters to tweak if necessary.
    ChowTape is great for creative effects and stuff, but I probably wouldn't use it on the master unless I was specifically trying to degrade something on purpose.

    • @RenatoPernett
      @RenatoPernett 3 місяці тому +1

      Correct. Understanding Chris’ insight of his No UI Policy, it would be the top gun tape emulation plug-in for everyone if it had a good looking UI. Do you know of someone designing a Wytse approved UI already?

  • @alienteknology5390
    @alienteknology5390 Рік тому +5

    Despite all the whistles & bells it's probably the saturation features that are primary. Features like degrade & chew are more for lofi effects or the type of glitchiness found in dark atmospheric music.

  • @harryolive1853
    @harryolive1853 Рік тому +11

    I accidentally got tape particles stuck under the tape head... or the azimuth got misaligned... or there is crosstalk and delay that affects the stereo phase... or a person who was drunk in the studio spat his bottle of beer into the tape machine... if you are creating a plug-in, you should make something extraordinary.

  • @LaluProg
    @LaluProg 11 місяців тому +3

    Then what is the best plugin for "tape vibe" according to you? I'd love a simple one with a dry/wet (kind of) knob but couldn't find a good one - probably didn't search properly :)

  • @EclecticaStudios
    @EclecticaStudios Рік тому +1

    Hey! Flutter happens as the tape moves across the head sticks a little and flutters/shakes the tape in the gap area between the REC and Repro heads. So MCI machines as example have a flutter wheel between the heads to stop this from happening.

  • @ComposerMichaelDow
    @ComposerMichaelDow Рік тому +3

    Surely It's not that weird or hard to imagine why someone might want degraded distorted sounds that are like broken tapes. Some of us design sounds and make music and like to experiment with odd sounds. A messed up piano sound. A gravelly broken up voice etc etc etc. Not everyone is using plugins solely for mixing or mastering :)

    • @sytiravajous
      @sytiravajous Рік тому

      Dictaphones are fucken awesome. Been using it for vocal reverb and it's immediately a mood.

  • @JimijaymesProductions
    @JimijaymesProductions Рік тому +5

    I love Chowdbury's engineering, whether its accurate or not exactly I don't necessarily care as much about but the plugins make stuff sound cooler, vibier as you said. Not sure I have the budget to drop more money on another plugin, and the way it changes the eq so dramatically I don't like, I'll just enjoy Chow Tape Model for now.

  • @eigos
    @eigos Рік тому +1

    Unrelated to the plugin, what's that condenser mic you're using?

  • @davestanley357
    @davestanley357 3 місяці тому

    How did u set up relay thing for tape machine to easily switch between real tape machine and not

  • @Rhuggins
    @Rhuggins Рік тому +8

    I personally find the IK Multimedia Tape to be the best on the market- that and Tim Petherick’s Nebula Libraries. Incredible.
    The lack of autogain on IK Multimedia really SUCKS though. But the sound- its NOT subtle

    • @FredDeMassiveAlambic
      @FredDeMassiveAlambic Рік тому +1

      hate the fact that the "transient softening" effect is got by pre-ringing on the IK tapes. And the fact that settings are too complicated

    • @Rhuggins
      @Rhuggins Рік тому +1

      @@FredDeMassiveAlambic im not sure what you mean by “pre-ringing” in the context of a tape emulation.
      I do know that they use a combination of convolution and algorithmic technology to create their tape series, which is lovely.
      If you throw one of their tape series into an analyzer like Plugin Doctor, you will see that it is a complex living, breathing thing. Very nonlinear. Really just glorious.
      Im not sure I understand the complicated aspect either- they offer control over lo and hi end EQ on each head as well as a bias setting, and of course IPS and tape selection. No wow and flutter to be found even

    • @sytiravajous
      @sytiravajous Рік тому +1

      I avoid IK multimedia like cancer and skip it entirely when gear that I buy includes licenses to their plugins. It's painful all the way from registering to installing. Their plugins not only are unnecessarily large, but also comes with extra junk that's thrown elsewhere than your installing directory. And I mean GBs of useless junk.

    • @Rhuggins
      @Rhuggins Рік тому +2

      @@sytiravajous that hasnt really been my experience- i bought the ALL bundle or whatever its called for 99 bucks on sale (wicked deal) and just installed what I wanted

    • @FredDeMassiveAlambic
      @FredDeMassiveAlambic Рік тому

      @@Rhuggins It shows pre-ringing in plugin doctor.. I saw the "complex breathing thing" but I just never understood why did they put this pre-ringing effect, which is something that soften transients in a bad way and that you want to avoid most of the time.
      At the end it's just technical data, if it sounds good, it sounds good ! But that's the reason that kept me away from trying to tweak it

  • @LoveMeBack
    @LoveMeBack Рік тому

    What is a good tape plugin then?

  • @ramspencer5492
    @ramspencer5492 Рік тому

    What about trying to add more tape harmonics on top of this in Saturn? I mean even if it takes two plugins, if there's a way to get close... It would be cool to know how.

  • @TheSakuraGumiLTD
    @TheSakuraGumiLTD Рік тому

    What's your knowledge of the smaller 2 track tape machines?
    I have always thought about the ones I see on eBay I could possible afford.
    The Akai and Tascam and what have you brands that are always on there... worth it much more than plugins also?... or is this for high end tape machines?

  • @010203109
    @010203109 Рік тому +1

    Hopefully the developers look at this and start considering how to merge their expanded controls with a more accurate and effective tape saturation module. Having the ability to rearrange how things feed into each other would be really great too. I see some comments talking about how doing certain sequences of effects can be really handy for getting particular, desirable results during production or other stages of music making.

    • @TeddyLeppard
      @TeddyLeppard Рік тому

      The tape emulation developer should book some time at White Sea and take some direct measurements to adjust their model.

  • @LEVRAN
    @LEVRAN Рік тому +1

    Sickkkk songgggg whats it called? In the start of the testing

  • @harryolive1853
    @harryolive1853 Рік тому +1

    can you test the kush novatron? that an impressive piece..

  • @chucknkd
    @chucknkd Рік тому

    have you tried the tape plugs from UA?

  • @nathanielbrown8718
    @nathanielbrown8718 Рік тому +3

    I think Softube Dirty tape is one of the best sounding and easiest to use! I reach for it more than rc-20 and any other tape plugin

  • @PharaohLawLess1
    @PharaohLawLess1 Рік тому +6

    I grew recording on reel to reel then on to ADAT tape and it’s crazy how they’re including the “hiss” from those tape machines in these plugins now a days. When we started recording on digital track recorders (I still have my Fostex FD8 collecting dust in a box) we were happy to get cleaner recordings minus the “hiss” from tape. But it seems everything come back 360° bcuz now even vinyl is making a comeback

    • @Jaburu
      @Jaburu Рік тому +3

      I am waiting for the comeback of wax cylinders

  • @mitallast
    @mitallast Рік тому +3

    Wytse, there’s a cool open source free plugin for guitar amp emulation using AI - NAM. But people found that it can emulate any kind of hardware in terms of equalization and distortion, but can’t do effects like reverb or delay.
    Can you try to emulate your tape machine using NAM? Or at least provide original and processed WAV files for community, as example?

    • @Mansardian
      @Mansardian Рік тому

      As a NAM-user myself: What a great idea!

  • @ConsciousRobot
    @ConsciousRobot Рік тому +4

    Sometimes you can use the hiss for lofi sound design purposes

  • @ryanwayne5052
    @ryanwayne5052 Рік тому +3

    Tape machines have natural compression. Why wouldn’t you try out the compressor section? Would have probably had an effect on the sound of depth, and sounded less flat…

    • @MOSMASTERING
      @MOSMASTERING Рік тому +2

      It's non linear compression though, so it would have to emulate different frequencies being affected differently.

    • @gutterg0d
      @gutterg0d Рік тому

      Tons of plugins do spectral processing, it's not like it would be impossible to implement in the algorithms they use for this plugin.

  • @cedon490
    @cedon490 Рік тому

    Whats the name of the song?

  • @tokenofdevotion
    @tokenofdevotion Рік тому +2

    Hiss and mechanical noise is part of a more intimate approach to music. The more you try to get rid of it the more it feels like someone recorded their album outside of this planet, in the void and it just doesn't sound natural or human (which can be a good thing depending on the aesthetic you're going for). But, this is the reason why developers include these quirks and faults, it's just there for the people who need it

  • @joost3783
    @joost3783 Рік тому +7

    wait until we get the first "profiling" tape machines that work like the Kemper or tones or NAM. those will be crazy accurate and you'll probably be able to get the profile of the best sounding machines. I really look forward to seeing this kind of processing being brought to plugins

  • @damianoakes2592
    @damianoakes2592 Рік тому +6

    I like the Softube Tape, which I can just throw on, adjust the drive (I keep it on the 'B' setting for the master bus), and move on.
    I'm glad you brought up the practicalities of working with the plugin, because that's something I feel like many of these comparison videos miss. For instance, and to go on a personal rant, recently I've been really into the Lindell 50 channel strip, which is, for me, the best strip I've tried, but I was curious what other people were saying about it, which brought me to a comparison between it and the Acustica Audio Pink, with the UA-camr concluding that the Acustica sounded better, and the comments going off about how the Lindell sucks and the Acustica is so much better. But, the thing is I can only load around 10 instances of Acustica plugins and a single reverb send before my computer just craps out, whereas I can put the Lindell on as many channels as I want (as one does with a channel strip), while also loading different types of EQ, compression, saturation, and effects as needed. So, no matter how much better the Acustica sounds (and, to be clear, it was not a night and day difference), the Lindell will lead me to a better mix every time, and I wish people on this site thought more about stuff like that.

    • @talktokale
      @talktokale Рік тому +2

      Fairly sure I've seen the same video you're talking about. Disregard it. The Lindell 50 is a great plug.

  • @TripianaVids
    @TripianaVids Рік тому +1

    Even off topic, Wytse, ga je een vergelijking doen met de Raumzeitmaschine en de raummachine plugin vanTegeler? Zou wel interessant zijn lijkt me 😊

  • @reggiestewart1652
    @reggiestewart1652 Рік тому

    Why don't you review UAD's Studer emulation l?

  • @SaturnVoyager11
    @SaturnVoyager11 Рік тому

    Any chance you compare the 3 tapes of UAD (oxide, A800, ATR-102) to your real Tape? 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @paulweyer4339
    @paulweyer4339 Рік тому +3

    Tape Machines are used because they're beautiful and deserve to be maintained and respected.
    Tape Machine Plugins are used because they let you break your tape machine without breaking your tape machine.

  • @firewerk66
    @firewerk66 Рік тому +2

    the studio where ive worked for 30 years has that same MCI 24 track 2" machine :) the truth is, real tape sounds much cleaner and the effects are more subtle than most of the emulations that are on ther market these days. Softube Tape has been the closest so far in my opinion.

  • @Sharpgang
    @Sharpgang Рік тому +1

    Who is the Artist tho

  • @Rob.anonymous
    @Rob.anonymous Рік тому +1

    maybe you should try a pair of Neve 542 modules , then I’m curious how long u stay with ur tape machine 😊

  • @Griuofficial
    @Griuofficial Рік тому

    Thanks for the video

  • @BrunodeSouzaLino
    @BrunodeSouzaLino Рік тому +1

    "More controls doesn't necessarily mean more control." - Dan Worrall
    My only concern with this plugin is that, how is it based on ChowTape? Apart from only some minor differences, both plugins have the exact same controls (even the oversampling menu is exactly the same both visually and on how it's laid out), but CHOWTape puts the more important ones in front of you on top of having tooltips as to what changing each parameter does to the sound. Another concern is licensing. CHOWTape is licensed under GPL v3, which means this plugin has to be under the same license if it has the same code included because of the viral nature of the license. And that means this plugin has to be open source (not free).

    • @arborealaudio
      @arborealaudio Рік тому +2

      Regarding the licensing, the author of GPLv3-licensed software can basically do whatever they want with it, including licensing the source code for a closed-source program, which is most likely what has happened here. Another example of that is the FFTW library which you can license for an arm and a leg.

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino Рік тому

      @@arborealaudio If that's the case, then you can just use the free CHOWTape instead, then couple with the delay of your choice. You've just replicated all the functionality from this paid plugin. Then donate some money to Jatin and you're all set. Plus CHOWTape, hides most of the controls you don't need to immediately tweak and explains what each control does to the sound.

  • @theappearedone
    @theappearedone Рік тому +2

    whats that song that you used as an example?

  • @pac0re
    @pac0re Рік тому +6

    damn the real thing sounds amazing :| is there a plugin that gets even close?

    • @nj1255
      @nj1255 Рік тому +3

      Not perfectly, but a few ones that IMO come reasonably close are: U-he Satin, Softube Tape, IK Multimedia TEAC A-3340 and A-6100 and Toneboosters ReelBus. These all behave in the kind of erratic way a real tape machine would, but without being "lo-fi" or saturation only. The best free ones I've found are Chow DSP ChowTape (like Wytse said in the video) and Airwindows ToTape 6. There are also many others that are made for a more lo-fi sound (or only have saturation without all of the flutter, wow, differences in left/right channels etc), but they are in another category of plug-ins IMO.

    • @stonail665
      @stonail665 Рік тому

      Fabfilter Saturn.

    • @nj1255
      @nj1255 Рік тому

      @@stonail665 Saturn is not a tape machine emulation though. It has a couple of tape saturation algos, but it doesn't emulate a tape machine as a whole. However, it's definitely one of the best distortion plug-ins out there.

    • @stonail665
      @stonail665 Рік тому

      ​@@nj1255 You can do tape machine emulation in it far better than any tape machine emulation plugins out there. believe me, I have A812 and A807.

  • @Ambientnauts
    @Ambientnauts Рік тому

    Enjoyed the real world stank face when feeling the big monster vibes.

  • @Jake_Sachs
    @Jake_Sachs Рік тому +1

    This song sounds 90s AF and I love it

  • @basstentacles
    @basstentacles Рік тому +2

    I love your videos! thanks for exist :D

  • @claudiopalana
    @claudiopalana 9 місяців тому

    I know for sure that the real tape sound it's not "emulable" yet, but if you should advice a plugin for someone who wants to have kinda a similar sound without having the troubles of getting a real unit, all the maintenance etc... What do you suggest? Still Chow Tape?
    I think that I really trust your opinion and I was planning on what to have in my studio but I don't have neither the space and the money for a real unit, and moreover I'm more a musician who works ITB, I will be very glad on knowing your thoughts about this!

  • @drh713
    @drh713 Рік тому

    This is the best version of sandstorm ever

  • @FirstnameLastname-dm2xl
    @FirstnameLastname-dm2xl Рік тому

    It can still be used as a saturator/mangler but sk roundtone is better and cheaper for tape sound

  • @afrosymphony8207
    @afrosymphony8207 Рік тому +1

    nice review but whats the song playing..its absolutely beautiful!

    • @Nomasiac
      @Nomasiac Рік тому

      Was thinking the same. An artist credit would've been nice 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @anteshell
    @anteshell Рік тому +2

    5:11 It's not weird. You are just comparing two completely different things together that has nothing to do with each others and expecting them to be the same. Namely, those are high quality analog audio processing and Lo-Fi music as a genre.

  • @weedywet
    @weedywet Рік тому +4

    Have you tried the UAD Studer 800 or Ampex ATR102 plug ins?
    They're pretty convincing when compared to the real thing... but they're not cheap or free.
    the problem, generally, is that the home recording hobbyists, who are the target potential buyers, have never seen or heard a real tape machine and they've been convinced, by digital marketing, that analogue recording is just "an effect" to be emulated.
    So naturally these manufacturers (like the one you're demoing here) make their plug ins intentionally NOTICEABLE as an effect.
    Darker, dirtier, noisier, with wow and flutter... in other words, with all the things we DON'T want (or get) from a properly aligned high quality tape machine.

    • @vigilantestylez
      @vigilantestylez Рік тому +1

      UAD is close to the sound of a real studer but still has this sharp digital sounding top end, but it is the closest I have tried so far.

    • @weedywet
      @weedywet Рік тому +1

      @@vigilantestylez I frankly don’t hear that. But then again I record all of my tracks to be around -20 dbu in the box and don’t have a ‘sharp digital top end’ to begin with before the tape emulation.

    • @vigilantestylez
      @vigilantestylez Рік тому +1

      I work with a lot of DAW made music. I suppose if you are recording a band with a great mic, mic pre, and interface, that can go a long way to ensuring you are not hearing digital harshness in your mixes, and you might be able to get away with the plugin. For me, the plugin is not getting it done enough to my liking, but a real studer tape machine with 456 tape seems to get rid of all the nasty digitalness to the sounds I work with. Also, the ad/da converter helps too.

    • @flipnap2112
      @flipnap2112 Рік тому +1

      @@vigilantestylez believe it or not, you really have to engineer with that plugin target in mind. crafting your highs to be ready for tape is important

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino Рік тому +1

      That's how analog tape sounds though. People often confuse the sound of a full mix printed on analog tape to that being the sound of tape itself. Because tape has audible noise (at around -18 dB), you have to print the signal quite hot into it, which brings saturation that adds more low frequencies which you then have to compensate by adding more top end. It's not rocket science.

  • @vigilantestylez
    @vigilantestylez Рік тому +2

    Hey! This plugin does sound like real tape! Just a cheap dollar store cassette tape that came in packs of 20 for $5. Haha!

  • @joost3783
    @joost3783 Рік тому

    the tone boosters tape is incredibly good really a sleeper.

  • @singularbiotech
    @singularbiotech Рік тому +4

    London Acoustics Taipei Studio sounds just as good as real tape.

  • @torarinvik4920
    @torarinvik4920 7 місяців тому

    For me the perfect sound comes from early 70s 3/4 inch tape(I had one). I tried millions of tape plugins and "Super VHS" is the plugin that comes closest. As far as 2 inch tape Beatskillz Reelight is the best one. But the Super VHS is amazing, stack them on top of each other! Its cheap too.

  • @danieldavies7308
    @danieldavies7308 Рік тому +1

    One of the big reasons I think the tape emulation sounds “shallow” vs the real tape machine is because you’re hearing digital processing degradation vs analogue processing degradation. Any processing of audio causes at least some loss of fidelity. Digital processing loses a bit of clarity/sparkle/depth. Whereas analogue processing seems to retain those things much better, resulting in audio that’s more pleasing, natural, musical, warm, punchy, etc.
    It’s obviously a controversial topic, and probably always will be. There is an interesting video I’ll link below where famous mastering engineer Bernie Grundman talks about the sound of digital in the same way that I experience it. In the video below he is specifically talking about the process of mastering for vinyl, but in general he is speaking of the effect that digital processes have on audio. He talks for a few minutes about it from 1:18:00 - 1:21:00. I think he mentions it again somewhere else in the video but I can’t remember where, and I’ve heard him talk about this subject in a few other random videos.
    ua-cam.com/users/live6DArqAgLO5s?feature=share

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino Рік тому +1

      Oversampling makes most of the notions engineers have about digital "degradation" pointless. Take u-he Satin, for example. it can oversample up to 384k, which gives you alias-free saturation even if you record at 192k. Plus most of the digital degradation like jitter, clock jitter are several hundred dB below the signal and while you can hear people like Bob Katz talking about those things, if you buckle a bit more, eventually they admit they can't hear those things. Bob Clearmountain has a good explanation as to why early digital recordings sound like crap. Because you have to print quite hot in tape (due to the -18 dB noise it has), engineers thought digital was like tape and pushed everything to the point of it sounding like crap.

    • @Mansardian
      @Mansardian Рік тому

      ​@@BrunodeSouzaLino That's true. I got taught "as hot as possible but yet not clipping" because of that mistake.

  • @petercastle4381
    @petercastle4381 Рік тому

    I am still waiting 3 Years for you to do a mastering session of a client track using TC finalizer mastering software.

  • @juliusaigner
    @juliusaigner Рік тому

    Wanna make a comparison from the real raumzeitmaschine and the new raummaschine vst?

  • @sanjaybaraily626
    @sanjaybaraily626 Рік тому +1

    Still waiting for a video on cheap Studio Microphones
    I want to upgrade from BM800 on a budget of around $80. Anything that will need less tweaks to fit in a mix.
    I know there are many videos on that but i feel they all are trying to just sell anything
    No other demonstrates the way you and i have complete faith on you.
    Please make a video on this.

  • @kutchutozov
    @kutchutozov Рік тому

    1:21 ... I've "seen" a Studer A800 but that's about as close as I've got ;( .. Love everything by chow dsp but I guess tape is tape. Frikkin magnets man! Kazrog seem to understand something but tape is like the holy grail in digital now... Even guitar amps and cabs are pretty well cloned now. Keep pushing bro!

  • @JohnnyTheGrim
    @JohnnyTheGrim Рік тому

    One day you should review Steven Slate Audio VSX headphones. It's different but you will be impressed(I use em')

  • @martijn_nl
    @martijn_nl Рік тому +3

    Still waiting for that jaw dropping tape emulation plug-in. Maybe some form of machine learning will make it happen one day.

    • @ordinarymonster1187
      @ordinarymonster1187 Рік тому +2

      maybe U-he satin fits your expectation. it's not just an tape emulation but including multiple decoders and encoders. Dan Worrall has a good video about itwhich title is "wtf is a compander".

    • @flipnap2112
      @flipnap2112 Рік тому

      I really like my UA ampex ATR-102. just the right amount and very simple to use. I dont use it that much, only when a client is looking for the sound

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino Рік тому +1

      Keep waiting, because the problem is not the current offerings of tape emulation plugins. The problem is you.

    • @martijn_nl
      @martijn_nl Рік тому

      @@BrunodeSouzaLino The sound of tape is very much engraved in my mind. As a child I was a frequent studio visitor back in de 70s. It's indeed my problem to hear the difference between 'That' sound and the current plug-in offerings.

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino Рік тому +1

      @@martijn_nl That essentially means you have the sound of several tape machines in some corner of your memory which might be running completely different setups, calibration, reels and fx chain. The only thing you have engraved in your head is a sound from your childhood you don't seem to get with the current offerings because they emulate tape and not your memories.

  • @SammiLucia
    @SammiLucia 8 місяців тому +1

    i think you need to try Gem TAPEDESK which to me sounds like an actual tape machine... or UAD Ampex ATR-102 (which is mind blowing)

  • @mitallast
    @mitallast Рік тому +1

    After getting elysia hardware karacter and mpressor, I realised that emulation plugins is just a marketing junk.

  • @masadampc
    @masadampc Рік тому +2

    Release that song!! Wow! I love it 😀

  • @hinesification
    @hinesification Рік тому +2

    Your spectrum analyzer shows exactly what's happening. Th tape has extra high end, and probably some extra harmonics

    • @MichaelLenz1
      @MichaelLenz1 Рік тому

      Spectrum analyzer don’t showing time dependent properties. This is where all real sound is.

  • @PharaohLawLess1
    @PharaohLawLess1 Рік тому +1

    That’s my kinda track right there! Love my Neo Soul music!

    • @p0dlyryszard
      @p0dlyryszard Рік тому +1

      I like the track as well. Couldn't help notice how much the drums remind me of "The 'Notic" by The Roots feat. D'Angelo and Erykah Badu (1997)

  • @floatinganarchychannel3204
    @floatinganarchychannel3204 Рік тому

    Sound design wise lots of people like to do expriments with chew and flutter and hiss, i like to mess around with this on synths or drums
    Sketch cassete & Tape Mello-Fi are the best as far as i tried, and i got lots of tape plugins.
    Maybe a virtual plugin would be more cool like to see an animation of a cassette deck and to have the abillity to curupt the cassette so the degridation would fit the cassette condition, hahaa sorry for the huge comment!

  • @TeddyLeppard
    @TeddyLeppard Рік тому

    I'm guessing these tape emulations are built off of models based in theory and not based on actual data collection from the source.

  • @BF-up5xw
    @BF-up5xw Рік тому +1

    I'm pretty sure that this a lo-fi and sound design tool. While they want to promote it as having wider uses, this really isn't for mastering or even mixing. So this video is interesting, but you spend a long time assessing it by what I think are the wrong criteria. Your conclusion is spot on.

  • @quanah
    @quanah Рік тому +1

    it's definitely useful

  • @RemmyMusic1
    @RemmyMusic1 Рік тому +1

    you should start rating these plugins out of 10 like 'theneedledrop' does. this is a light 3/10

  • @Linguae_Music
    @Linguae_Music Рік тому

    The saturation sounds shallow cuz you turns the noise off bro.
    Put the noise so its around the threshold of perception.
    :V

  • @DaveLennonCopeland
    @DaveLennonCopeland Рік тому +1

    I guess if you wanna sound like you recorded your session on a boom box/ghetto blaster, this is the plugin for you. Original garage lo-fi emulation, perhaps.

  • @dans5529
    @dans5529 Рік тому +4

    I think it's actually a really cool plugin. I like the interface, and there are a lot of cool possibilities to automate for effect. The real tape machine undeniably sounds better. Although, I think that tape machine would also smoke any other VST that you compared it to.

    • @Whiteseastudio
      @Whiteseastudio  Рік тому +2

      It better smokes all other VST’s for its value 😅

  • @steelhousemastering
    @steelhousemastering Рік тому

    You should get your hands on a Handsome Audio Zulu tape emulator

  • @Projacked1
    @Projacked1 Рік тому +2

    I'm afraid this is the result of the ease in software programming.
    Yes you can do it all, but emulation should be done with a scientific approach.
    So in a way you can't do it, unless you have all the necessary skillsets to even justify 'true' emulation.
    It requires quite an investment, in time and money. Companies like UAD spend millions on it, and often they can't get it right in the minute details; feel , resolution , overdriving hardware to get oompf and such.
    They get close enough imo, that being said I have more faith in AI apps learning from the real hardware sound. Much easier, and way more effective and efficient.

  • @LoveMeBack
    @LoveMeBack Рік тому

    Pretty annoying when my computer make a hiss noise.

  • @danepaulstewart8464
    @danepaulstewart8464 Рік тому

    There’s a lot here.
    I’m not sure I’d classify it all as “tape”… but it’s still really nice.
    Maybe they modeled it off a really old 3M machine using cheap worn out tape.
    🤷‍♂️

  • @Lofi-Dreamscapes-Radio
    @Lofi-Dreamscapes-Radio Рік тому

    year passing and IMO Virtual Tape Machine will always be the best tape emulation OUT beside the one from soundtoys "tape". Tape machine is nice for work suttle I want the same from plugins... that one in the review is too agressive for me.

  • @trevortjes
    @trevortjes Рік тому +6

    Not me just sitting here and seeing the switching between the real tape machine and the plugin and just acting like I hear the difference

  • @cylonvoiceguy
    @cylonvoiceguy Рік тому

    I have an Ampex 350 1/4" mono and an OTARI MX5050 2-track. I've demo'd ALL the tape plugins and bought a few but they ALL fall WAY short of the real thing. I wish it wasn't true. I think it's just physics and will never change.

    • @bontempo1271
      @bontempo1271 Рік тому

      I'm guessing you compared them to IK Multimedia tapes ?

    • @cylonvoiceguy
      @cylonvoiceguy Рік тому

      @@bontempo1271 I think the IK Multimedia 440 is my favorite sounding plugin. But if you have to many others going on at once the signal starts to fall apart.

    • @bontempo1271
      @bontempo1271 Рік тому

      @@cylonvoiceguy sorry what did you mean, too many other what ? When you use it on alot of tracks in the mix ?

    • @cylonvoiceguy
      @cylonvoiceguy Рік тому +1

      @@bontempo1271 too many other plugins on one track.. it's like the 0's and 1's get rearranged too many times and the quality fades fast. Especially saturation/drive plugins such as tape emulators

    • @bontempo1271
      @bontempo1271 Рік тому

      @@cylonvoiceguy Yes i hear the same happening. Thanks for clarifying

  • @ruudheadz7095
    @ruudheadz7095 Рік тому +2

    This does not sound like tape...

  • @flipnap2112
    @flipnap2112 Рік тому +2

    1970: "Man I wish I had a computer to clean up this hiss, wow n flutter to get a cleaner sound"
    2023; "Man I wish I had a tape simulator to get some hiss and introduce some wow and flutter to get a dirtier sound"
    humans are funny

  • @lokalbredstudios
    @lokalbredstudios Рік тому

    Hey.
    Great video.
    What i watched here today made me realize, that people like you need to work with plug in developer a lot more. I noticed you " " calibrated the plugin and your tape machine and it started to sound a bit similar. Your debates are always fun to watch and educational, but 5 years from now we all will not be able to distinguish the difference.
    This Situation is like the Sifi movies of the past and todays tech. We are experiencing some marvellous things in the audio world today and your videos will help developers strive 200% better.

    • @Whiteseastudio
      @Whiteseastudio  Рік тому

      I really did my best to get it as close as possible to each other, you can clearly hear this, compare the differences between before the pink noise, and after the pink noise... I also did more calibration with a tone generator to get the harmonics right. Unfortunately, that part ended up on the cutting room floor...

    • @lokalbredstudios
      @lokalbredstudios Рік тому

      @@Whiteseastudio You as usual did an incredible job. Keep good.

  • @fahriilyas1086
    @fahriilyas1086 6 місяців тому

    the bias knob you forgot to gaind up 100%

  • @SammiLucia
    @SammiLucia 8 місяців тому

    this song tho 💕

  • @musicmwmusic
    @musicmwmusic 4 місяці тому

    Maybe a couple of Portico 542s would be cooler in your studio?

  • @Erik-Griffioen
    @Erik-Griffioen Рік тому

    I love tape hiss

  • @ctatrains
    @ctatrains Рік тому

    I wanted to like this thing but not finding those highs is a deal breaker. All that you have to mess with and no highs. wtf

  • @camhyde9701
    @camhyde9701 Рік тому +1

    The real tape sounds SO much better.... plus you had to wheel your chair over to it like a real engineer... plus there isn't any frustration trying to get the real tape sounding like real tape.. no tweaking... ugh... I am not anti-digital at all but digital emulation of tape... nah

  • @PiddeBas
    @PiddeBas Рік тому

    I still find TAIP to be the closest to real tape, and it's really simple to use

  • @DSWL_
    @DSWL_ Рік тому +1

    😂 i bet they're glad they decided to ask you for a review (sarcasm)

  • @rickblackers88
    @rickblackers88 7 місяців тому

    Cool!!

  • @StellarWorks2023
    @StellarWorks2023 Рік тому

    I think that Mr. Witse needs to get off the fence and really let us know how he feels about digital tape emulations ...

  • @SoundSignals
    @SoundSignals Рік тому

    Hiss can = Vibe

  • @LoveItDirtyOffroad
    @LoveItDirtyOffroad Рік тому

    You know there’s certain situations where you may want tape hiss; get your panties out of a bunch

  • @andytuke8986
    @andytuke8986 Рік тому +1

    Seems a bit unfair to make such a big deal that an $80 plug in doesn't sound as good as a $x000 vintage tape machine. That's like complaining that your Fiat 500 isn't as nice as a Mercedes 230SL . Clearly some things can't be digitally modelled (yet)

    • @Whiteseastudio
      @Whiteseastudio  Рік тому +1

      No. The plugin is like Fiat is saying that the 500 is the exact same thing as a Mercedes 230SL.

  • @michaelwirth6843
    @michaelwirth6843 Рік тому

    You really should cover that tape with something. Dust on the tape destroys the tape head.

  • @user-pl1yk4ur7z
    @user-pl1yk4ur7z Рік тому

    15:58

  • @ubonudombat3308
    @ubonudombat3308 Рік тому +1

    This song is good!

    • @flipnap2112
      @flipnap2112 Рік тому

      the bass tone is amazing. round wounds are tight, stir a sponge in there are youre back in time. the gigawatt bass :)

    • @KeenanIvormusic
      @KeenanIvormusic Рік тому

      What's crazy is I'm trying to check out the plugin to hear that the voice is that of Kingsis song "Close to heaven" a good friend of mine lol to funny

  • @pongtrometer
    @pongtrometer Рік тому

    more spices to cook with...

  • @SkyAvila983
    @SkyAvila983 Рік тому

    Uad, slate has much better tape plug-ins.