@@dcsandoval58 but her as a mother, I understand her. She doesn’t want HER kids to betray her with someone who bashed their name for all the wrong reasons! No matter how little the deed is, Caitlin hurt all of them, not just Kris, but we also have to remember they were married this hits Kris differently!
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ShayPeee I understand completely. ..I'd not only be hurt but pissed the f off if my husband, father of my kids became a woman after 25 yrs. so did you always want to be a woman? the betrayal that Kris must be feeling
She been lost him when she kicked him out of the bedroom many years ago and made him move all his items in the garage. She treated him like crap for many years.
yeah i totally forgot about this. SHE WAS SO MEAN TO BRUCE. she would belittle him and force him to cut his hair and put down everything he had to say. BULLY
Bryan Figueroa yea I feel her bit she didn't have to put it on social media... that always makes everything worse. but at the same time I see her hurting. idk! so complicated!
you people seem to forget that she had driven him away he couldn't do this he couldn't do that in the house and the way it is going now she is going to drive the girls away they at one point will not want to be around her yes loyalty I understand but stop controlling them they have a right to see who they want to see I know it's but she needs to try to get over the vanity fair thing.
Really? But the issue is between bruce and kris and if it was me, I would remain neutral. The person has done nothing to me and I had memories with that person, you cannot let me choose and create a rift especially when there was none. Your issues are your own, don't involve me. Its like saying, you need to ally with mom or dad. I'm more on my mom's side but I cannot always be on their side because I am my own person with my own thinking and beliefs. Do I meed to burn bridges because two person I like cannot get along? I feel Kris but honestly, her problem with Bruce are their's to settle.
@@_edits4900 hmmm, but I don't want to choose side if they're my parents, unless of course things go out of hand or certain issies like cheating or physical/mental abuse. But all I'm saying is we all have different response to this. My actions would be just like Kim's because that's what I think is right. I'm my own person and if I want to treat a person or provide a person with the benefit of the doubt, that's on me. And I don't think that's betrayal or choosing sides coz it's not that big of a deal.
Obviously...She's completely shattered inside that Bruce and her split so that he could become a woman. I truly felt that her younger guy is some weird rebound, and it shows here. She feels abandoned and betrayed by Bruce.
So what was Caitlyn supposed to do? Be in misery for the rest of her life? That's selfish. Kris needs to heal the best she can and love and support Caitlyn If She EVER LOVED Bruce
@@King82005 why would Caitlyn get married and start TWO families then??? Why put her ex wives and children through all this in the first place. Kris isn’t the selfish one here.
@@King82005 what upset her even more is Caitlyn was doing interviews and wrote a book straight up bashing Kris and blaming her for all of her problems.
@@saroabd4437 wrong again. Kris is mad because Caitlyn revealed personal things that probably didnt want the world nor their kids to know. She told her truth and kris was exposed for things, THAT she didn't like. Because it's all about image with the Kardashians. That's apart of the reason they shunned Caitlyn from the family and that's absolutely terrible imo.
People can empathise with how Kris feels but there’s a difference between her right to her own feelings and her right to make other people responsible for her feelings. Kris brought Bruce into her children’s lives, wanted them to love him and him to love them. People break up all the time for many reasons and often one person is terribly hurt but it doesn’t matter if it was about Bruce becoming Caitlyn or something else. So to then pressure the kids into a loyalty battle is selfish of Kris. She spends a lot of time expecting and guilting others to behave in ways that take care of her feelings and that’s quite narcissistic. But I guess no one is perfect.
Honestly yea I'm kind of surprised of how people are not realizing that. I mean obviously Caitlin didn't transition to hurt Kris, it has nothing to do with Kris and I understand that THAT must hurt as hell, but, for years, Caitlin was this paternal figure for all of them who lost their dad and it's so unfair to ask them to loose that one as well. I know Caitlin is not Bruce, but the bound is still there.
@@bohaynz7741 I feel like toxic is a stretch, but I will say she has expectations that are kind of extensive especially to cut off a relationship with someone they known almost all of their lives. I feel for Bruce and I feel for Kris… Bruce has nobody really besides his kids which he is a selfish person ( but i think it might be his fault) nonetheless. It is a sticky situation .
Severus Snape Because if my husband turned into a women and my daughter helped him pick a dress i would be pissed. Call what Petty or whatever but no!! the disloyalty is real
+Nicole Mckee lol she been knew that man wanted to be a woman. you know this show is somewhat fake. lol but the facts are Bruce has been there for Kim throughout her childhood/adulthood , walked her down 2 aisle, etc. I see nothing wrong with her helping Caitlyn pick out a dress.
+Nicole Mckee lol she been knew that man wanted to be a woman. you know this show is somewhat fake. lol but the facts are Bruce has been there for Kim throughout her childhood/adulthood , walked her down 2 aisle, etc. I see nothing wrong with her helping Caitlyn pick out a dress.
I never thought I would say this (Lord help me) but Kris Jenner is right. Her Kardashian children should be Team Kris, their loyalty should be 100% with her.
Farrah A. No way. That is they're stepdad. He helped raised them. Why should the kids need to pick between parents. That's very selfish of kris and just shows that she's all about herself
there shouldn't have to be a team kris or team Cait for the kids. its their parents. whatever crap kris and cait have - should be kept between them. do not make your children pick a side - it's not fair!
Kyle, Kris has every right to feel hurt and angry. How would you feel if you were married for 25 years and your spouse changed her gender with no explanations or apologies and no obvious affection for your married life together? Grow up.
kim didnt do it on purpose. caitlyn is still part of the family. like. Bruce has been their dad since kim was not even a teenage. and the father of kendall and kylie. i dont understand. why does she want to just shut caitlyn completely and 100% out?
I feel for Kris.When people so close to you betray you...or let you down...even if they do it unintentionally.That doesn't matter.And the hurt stays forever.
it is beyond narcissistic to devalue the father daughter relationship that her kids built with this man since they were young. even if i was feuding with my ex husband, i would never want my kids emotions to be effected.
There is nothing narcissistic about this. It's not about the bound of father and daughter because this was Not Bruise. This whole new woman went again Kris haaaard in a damn book... The kids must know
Went against the family? Is Caitlyn not a family member anymore? Like people forget, she helped raise Kim too - Kris didn't do it alone. Kim and Caitlyn have a relationship and that's not a betrayal in the slightest, when she came we Bruce she was basically like another dad to her. SHES WALKED HER DOWN THE GODDAMN AISLE TWICE.
I usually feel sorry for Kris and I still do, but I think it was unecessary that she wanted her kids to be on her side. I mean Caitlyn is still their dad so I don't get why she doesn't want them to help her.
Exactly. Kris brought him into their lives. Now she wants them to drop him like he wasn't there for them for most of their life. People always say to leave the kids out of certain situations, and even though those kids are now adults, that rule should still apply.
Max Kordei agreed she's selfish not neutral?! Really?! Feeling abandoned because she helped someone pick a dress?! She seriously needs psychiatric help!
Max Kordei It's because she wants loyalty... she feels betrayed because her husband left her and became a woman. If you ask me she has every reason to be so upset, it's obvious that all she wants is loyalty
I completely agree so she wants loyalty but what about Kendall and Kylie do she want them to drop Caitlyn and never speak to her again? it makes no sense it really doesn't. you can't expect your children to completely drop the Father Figure who's been in their life since they were little all because you're in your feelings.
She has every right to be upset that she feels lied to by Caitlyn, but she does NOT have the right to put her children in the middle of it. That’s selfish and unstable.
They all have a right to be upset, but parents don't have a right to make their kids choose sides. Grown or not. And let's face it Bruce was their dad for most of their life. Also Kris.. closed mouths don't get fed. So if you don't speak up.. how is anyone supposed to know how upset you are, when youre going around acting as if your fine?
I understand that Kim felt the need to help Caitlyn but I totally feel for Kris. She has spent most of her life with someone she knew as a man and now that is changing, it must be difficult for her. I think it's great that Kim and everyone are so accepting but Kris had every right to be upset x
This is such a serious issue. People need to understand how serious this situation is to the family. Trust, Betrayal, Power, and Love all come into play. You guys! We are talking about a dress here! This isn't something small like world hunger, animal cruelty, or unequal rights. No. A dress- maybe even a Versace dress. All my support goes to the family.
That is just not fair and not right of Kris to treat her kids that way. She brought Bruce (now Caitlyn) into their lives, and deep down that is still their father figure. Who cares if he is a woman now, it doesn't change the fact that he has been there to help raise those kids. It's not fair for Kris to just decided she wants her kids to cut Caitlyn out of their lives like she has, just because she personally feels betrayed. She shouldn't drag her kids into her problems.
That's wrong to say "I don't want neutral." Yeah, kris was probably broken hearted at some point over Caitlyn's change but her relationship should have nothing to do with the kids. Caitlyn is still their stepfather, even in their life for decades.
That's a horrible thing that Kris put on those children. Whatever her and Caitlyn have going on, that's their business. This explains why they cut him off.
I completely completely relate to Kris's feelings, but the way she is manipulating her children here, even if she doesn't realize and can't help it is really wrong in my opinion. It's very moon in cancer. It's very relatable though, because she honestly is trying as she said herself to be "as gracious as she can".
As a divorced parent- I can actually say "I get Kris's pain"! No one can understand unless they are divorced and he betrayed you. If you have not walked in those shoes directly then please don't judge her. Breakups are hard especially when children are involved. As selfish and childish as it sounds you can't your kids to disown anyone that mistreated you! We will give our lives forbour kids so for them to run to anyone's aid that has hurt us family or not it is painful. If you don't understand that rationale perhaps you are the perfect human being and the rest of us are flawed!
My heart goes out to Kris. She has every right to be upset. She gv him 20 plus years of her life and it was a "LIE". She was the one to always defend him. She has feelings also. Bruce knew how he felt before he married her. If I can remember correctly she did not want anymore children but she had 2 more because of him. She loved him. My heart goes out to her, Kris I will be praying for you. This will take time for her to emotionally and mentally heal. Kim try to understand your mother, the one who gave "BIRTH" to you.
Kris is mad because Kim helped Caitlyn pick out a dress when she never told Kim that her and Caitlyn were having issues... This is so petty and so stupid 😴
Ceara Nicole exactly how is she mad with Jim for helping her pick out a freaking dress a dress !? At the end of the day that's still kind step dad she didn't know that they were having issues
I get that Kris is still hurting over Bruce turning into a woman and what not.. but how did Kim betray her? that is her step father same way for so many years.. kris can't just expect them to all cut Bruce off
this is probably the conversation that made khloes mind up about caitlin. she saw how hurt her mom really was and realized she really needed to take her side
He did help raise her children, so they should stop talking to Caitlyn? Kris seems to forget she was rude, didn't let Bruce have a choice in many things
Sick to the core! My mother used to play this same sick game with me too, but I never bought into it. She'd call me selfish, even accused me of not having any feelings, because I would refuse to take sides. And I was just a kid too when she told me that, so for a second I almost believed her. It's taken me a while to forgive her for that. So she has issues with my dad and I'm supposed to hate him for her. I understand their suffering, their pains and disappointments, but to say that these females need to grow up is the understatement of the century. They grew up believing in prince charmings, this generation of females, very noive and immature... So when their men turned out to be exactly that, just men, and their babies started growing into actual human beings with actual personalities, a lot of them just lost it and decided to stay lost, because doing that is easier than growing up.
Ngl I understand how Kris is feeling but I disagree with what’s she saying. Kim is a grown with her own thoughts, opinions and alliances which she should be able to act on. It is pathetic and selfish telling your children to pick a side rather than to just remain neutral like it’s not like Kim did anything wrong. She legit just helped Caitlin pick out clothes
Are y'all seriously already jumping to conclusions from a two and a half minute clip of an hour long show? I can absolutely guarantee there's more to the story, so before we start ganging up on Kris we should see the full episode. Besides, even if this small occurrence is the case, I think Kris is just tired of her children as a whole constantly disrespecting her (which we are shown Every Episode) and she just so happened to let it out on Kim. We all tend to let things build up, and when it comes to the boiling point whoever we have an issue with at the time tends to get lashed out upon. Kris is an excellent mother and she always has her children's better interests at heart. I mean she managed ALL of their careers from young to old and look where they are now!
Went against the family? Caitlyn is family!!!! She needs to quit being selfish and let Kim be with Caitlyn. If she has problems with Caitlyn that's hers problem it's not for Kim to drag along
+christian guitierrez , really? Kris needs to grow up, they all knew he wanted to be a woman, I knew he wanted to be a woman before I even really sat and watched a single episode of the show. Kris is being selfish, Bruce was there for Kim growing up, she should be able to help Caitlin do whatever.
Annie Nguyen 👏👏👏 agree . its almost like she was trying to make him miserable instead of letting him be genuinely happy when he's been nothing but a good father/ stepfather ❤ everyone should be happy.
Kim is always being portrayed as this rude stuck up women but in reality Kim has always been the one to keep people happy. No matter how crazy her mom might have been she hasn't disrespected her like I've seen the others. She has cried for her mom because the girls were being bad to her. I don't care about what y'all say. Kim is a nice person and I don't see her as what the media makes her out to be.
i mean yes they're divorced but remember that during the many many years of marriage they had, caitlyn was a influencial figure to all the kardashians and its wrong for a mother to expect that all her children will cut ties with somebody who had been in their life for a long long time. A divorce is a two personal situation, its never just one persons fault so you shouldn't expect your family to cut off the other person and all kim did was help with a dress like come on
Charlotte West they probably just took it off during the duration of the conversation. This is reality tv, so bits and pieces are edited to make a cohesive flow of the topic they are talking about. I wouldn't say they reshot this scene. For example, I'm sure this conversation was more than 2 minutes. They just pieced the clips together to make it quick and to the point.
I think kris is not really over the fact that the man she was married for many years ended up turning into a woman. Plus, I think she now feels competition because there's another "mom" now. It's all very confusing as to why kris would get so hurt over Kim helping out her step dad, trans or not that's still someone that has been in Kim's life for a very elongated amount of time. I want to understand kris lol but I just dont
i mean i as a gay man can sit here and say im all for peoples struggle. do i know the struggles of a trans person? no i dont, but what i will say if imagine marrying somebody for 20+ years, having children with this person and having this person around ur other children to only find out they were struggling with identity issues, then to find out “oh he isn’t just struggling” he’s literally transitioning to a woman it’s a slap across ur face and disrespectful. i can completely understand kris’s struggle to cope with it.
Claudette Avila lol aha! you can't escape mother nature! that made me chuckle but I do feel for her though. they always redicule her until she gets to the breaking point! my 15 year old daughter does that to me all the time and when I lose it she goes " calm down mother! it ain't that deep" and two days later she would claim that she didn't think I was really upset! I am not even menopausal yet! lord help me!
I'd not talk to Kris until she got a freaking grip her kids are all adults now and have moved out and are becoming parents like are you kidding Kris literally
That's a stupid reason to be upset. she helped her pick out a dress? okay. It's not fair of Kris to say helping Caitlyn is wrong considering the fact that before Caitlyn bruce had been their step dad and only dad they had since their father past away for more than 20 years. He was the man to walk Khloe and Kim down the isle! so it doesn't matter to them if he's caitlyn now. and it's unfair after looking at someone as a parent for 20 yrs just for Kris to tell them to now talk to Caitlyn
I think the case is missing because there's footage missing though, I think I saw more on e!... Plus I totally feel Kris, it most be incredibly hard to have YOUR children not caring about your feelings It's not about the dress is more about what's behind it. Most be incredibly hard to even understand all those years of marriage after all ...
Sounds to me like Kris just had a major Scorpio meltdown. But speaking of loyalty, and how she feels betrayed, it just makes me wonder if how she felt about Caitlyn can even compare to how Robert Kardashian felt when she left him for Bruce (Caitlyn)
Nallely Rojas Ah, I see, well either way, the fact that she was able to cheat on her husband and betray her family, and then talk about loyalty is hypocritical no matter how long it's been. Bruce didn't cheat on her, he just embraced his true self, and even though it might hurt her, she's got to accept it.
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She said “I don’t want NEUTRAL, I want LOYALTY” I hearddd thattt😂😂🙌🏾
Truth!
Ann __ but kris just wants everyone against Caitlyn cause she doesn’t like her. That doesn’t make sense lol
@@dcsandoval58 but her as a mother, I understand her. She doesn’t want HER kids to betray her with someone who bashed their name for all the wrong reasons! No matter how little the deed is, Caitlin hurt all of them, not just Kris, but we also have to remember they were married this hits Kris differently!
@@dcsandoval58 she understands Kendall and Kylie but kim, Kourtney and khole
Imagine glamorizing narcissism. Gross.
She literally makes Jonathan hold the phone for her 😂😂😂
"Tout le peuple entendait les tonnerres et le son de la trompette; il voyait les flammes de la montagne fumante. A ce spectacle, le peuple tremblait, et se tenait dans l'éloignement. Exode 20:18" #AiMEN
Pie XIII yeah, I don't speak French
Monica B, 😂😂😂😂,
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My mom does that to me.
Monica B because she’s Mrs. PERFECT 🤦🏽♀️🙄
Am I the only one here that COMPLETELY understands where Kris is coming from?!
@ShayPeee" I do too👍
ShayPeee me too
ShayPeee I understand
ShayPeee I understand completely. ..I'd not only be hurt but pissed the f off if my husband, father of my kids became a woman after 25 yrs. so did you always want to be a woman? the betrayal that Kris must be feeling
ShayPeee Yep. Kris treated Bruce like crap.
Kris has every right to feel this way. No matter how she smiles about Caitlyn, she lost Bruce in a horrible way!
+Mark Zavala lollllllll you are delusional
Mark Zavala it really is
Kris made Bruce transgender!
She been lost him when she kicked him out of the bedroom many years ago and made him move all his items in the garage. She treated him like crap for many years.
yeah i totally forgot about this. SHE WAS SO MEAN TO BRUCE. she would belittle him and force him to cut his hair and put down everything he had to say. BULLY
She has every right to be upset. Her husband of so many years is now a woman. Her world was completely shattered.
i agree
+Muva Mortis what's your point? that kinda knowing makes the pain and struggles less than? shut up. You sound stupid and ugly af.
Bryan Figueroa it's such a fucked up situation.
Bryan Figueroa yea I feel her bit she didn't have to put it on social media... that always makes everything worse. but at the same time I see her hurting. idk! so complicated!
you people seem to forget that she had driven him away he couldn't do this he couldn't do that in the house and the way it is going now she is going to drive the girls away they at one point will not want to be around her yes loyalty I understand but stop controlling them they have a right to see who they want to see I know it's but she needs to try to get over the vanity fair thing.
Khloe: "oh she's really upset" 😂😂😂
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K Mendez I died
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I'm dying 😂😂😂
When she said I don’t want neutral I felt that 🥺 There’s no such thing as neutral when it comes to your mother
But Bruce helped raise those girls so it's hard for them to just forget her. I understand how Kim feels.
Really? But the issue is between bruce and kris and if it was me, I would remain neutral. The person has done nothing to me and I had memories with that person, you cannot let me choose and create a rift especially when there was none. Your issues are your own, don't involve me. Its like saying, you need to ally with mom or dad. I'm more on my mom's side but I cannot always be on their side because I am my own person with my own thinking and beliefs. Do I meed to burn bridges because two person I like cannot get along? I feel Kris but honestly, her problem with Bruce are their's to settle.
PengPong Pooh maybe idk, but to me that’s the woman that birthed me so I’ll always be on my mom side 🤷🏽♀️
@@_edits4900 hmmm, but I don't want to choose side if they're my parents, unless of course things go out of hand or certain issies like cheating or physical/mental abuse. But all I'm saying is we all have different response to this. My actions would be just like Kim's because that's what I think is right. I'm my own person and if I want to treat a person or provide a person with the benefit of the doubt, that's on me. And I don't think that's betrayal or choosing sides coz it's not that big of a deal.
Bruce was their father after Robert Sr. died.
"She was texting me with hashtags, she goes #disloyal" LMAO that's hilarious
“She thinks you’re a traitor and that you went against the family” what is Kris, a Mafia don? 😂😂
She is tho 🤣🤣
Yup
Yes lol
In a sense, yes
Pretty much
You can hate the Kardashians, but they always provide DRAMA
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drama's not always a good thing...
Matthew Martinez lmao so true.
H.T JR but it's definitely hilarious😂👌🏼
Matthew Martinez yep
Obviously...She's completely shattered inside that Bruce and her split so that he could become a woman. I truly felt that her younger guy is some weird rebound, and it shows here. She feels abandoned and betrayed by Bruce.
So what was Caitlyn supposed to do? Be in misery for the rest of her life? That's selfish. Kris needs to heal the best she can and love and support Caitlyn If She EVER LOVED Bruce
She was dating Corey at the time, and she has had for over a year, so I don't think she was sad over splitting with Bruce.
@@King82005 why would Caitlyn get married and start TWO families then??? Why put her ex wives and children through all this in the first place. Kris isn’t the selfish one here.
@@King82005 what upset her even more is Caitlyn was doing interviews and wrote a book straight up bashing Kris and blaming her for all of her problems.
@@saroabd4437 wrong again. Kris is mad because Caitlyn revealed personal things that probably didnt want the world nor their kids to know. She told her truth and kris was exposed for things, THAT she didn't like. Because it's all about image with the Kardashians. That's apart of the reason they shunned Caitlyn from the family and that's absolutely terrible imo.
People can empathise with how Kris feels but there’s a difference between her right to her own feelings and her right to make other people responsible for her feelings. Kris brought Bruce into her children’s lives, wanted them to love him and him to love them. People break up all the time for many reasons and often one person is terribly hurt but it doesn’t matter if it was about Bruce becoming Caitlyn or something else. So to then pressure the kids into a loyalty battle is selfish of Kris. She spends a lot of time expecting and guilting others to behave in ways that take care of her feelings and that’s quite narcissistic. But I guess no one is perfect.
Exactly Kris is a toxic mother...
Honestly yea I'm kind of surprised of how people are not realizing that. I mean obviously Caitlin didn't transition to hurt Kris, it has nothing to do with Kris and I understand that THAT must hurt as hell, but, for years, Caitlin was this paternal figure for all of them who lost their dad and it's so unfair to ask them to loose that one as well. I know Caitlin is not Bruce, but the bound is still there.
Bingo!
@@bohaynz7741 I feel like toxic is a stretch, but I will say she has expectations that are kind of extensive especially to cut off a relationship with someone they known almost all of their lives. I feel for Bruce and I feel for Kris… Bruce has nobody really besides his kids which he is a selfish person ( but i think it might be his fault) nonetheless. It is a sticky situation .
I think y'all are forgetting how Caitlyn bashed Kris and blamed everything on her.
I agree with Kris for the first time
how???
Nicole Mckee but why though?
Severus Snape Because if my husband turned into a women and my daughter helped him pick a dress i would be pissed. Call what Petty or whatever but no!! the disloyalty is real
+Nicole Mckee lol she been knew that man wanted to be a woman. you know this show is somewhat fake. lol but the facts are Bruce has been there for Kim throughout her childhood/adulthood , walked her down 2 aisle, etc. I see nothing wrong with her helping Caitlyn pick out a dress.
+Nicole Mckee lol she been knew that man wanted to be a woman. you know this show is somewhat fake. lol but the facts are Bruce has been there for Kim throughout her childhood/adulthood , walked her down 2 aisle, etc. I see nothing wrong with her helping Caitlyn pick out a dress.
I feel kinda bad for kim, she didn't realise and was just trying to help someone
Ugh Jonathan just doesn't seem like a genuine person to me. Why are they friends with him.
***** i mean i know but still hes like so slimey.
Do the Kardashians seem genuine to you?
'Cause he holds their phones for them! Hello?!
Cuz why not
Juanita Ramirezx he has no personality
If ur my grown kids, am sorry but, if I beef with my ex who ain't yo dad but a woman now 😏... y'all better put yo beef shoes on too.
I couldn't understand any of that...can you repeat it in simpler terms
You understood now don't play dumbdumb. I'm Dutch and even I got it and I agree!
yeah, but I don't speak Trash
Lolo's Channel I love it💯 "Put ya Beef Shoes on!"🙌❤️😂
"put on yo beef shoes" LMBO!
In one scene the phone has the cover and the other scene its naked ... mistakes
Gayathri Ekambaram right, they're acting
LOL well well
It could also be that they cutted the trailer like that. And he just took the cover off during the call...
It's a charger phone case, the battery was probably low
Maybe the microphone of the film crew couldnt hear it loud enough with the case as the case covers the speaker?
I never thought I would say this (Lord help me) but Kris Jenner is right. Her Kardashian children should be Team Kris, their loyalty should be 100% with her.
Farrah A. No way. That is they're stepdad. He helped raised them. Why should the kids need to pick between parents. That's very selfish of kris and just shows that she's all about herself
there shouldn't have to be a team kris or team Cait for the kids. its their parents. whatever crap kris and cait have - should be kept between them. do not make your children pick a side - it's not fair!
+Holly Young you are absolutely right
Farrah A. I agree.
Kyle, Kris has every right to feel hurt and angry. How would you feel if you were married for 25 years and your spouse changed her gender with no explanations or apologies and no obvious affection for your married life together? Grow up.
kim didnt do it on purpose. caitlyn is still part of the family. like. Bruce has been their dad since kim was not even a teenage. and the father of kendall and kylie. i dont understand. why does she want to just shut caitlyn completely and 100% out?
I feel for Kris.When people so close to you betray you...or let you down...even if they do it unintentionally.That doesn't matter.And the hurt stays forever.
it is beyond narcissistic to devalue the father daughter relationship that her kids built with this man since they were young. even if i was feuding with my ex husband, i would never want my kids emotions to be effected.
There is nothing narcissistic about this. It's not about the bound of father and daughter because this was Not Bruise. This whole new woman went again Kris haaaard in a damn book... The kids must know
Funny because Caitlyn said she only cares about kylie and kendall
Totally different situation fool
Went against the family? Is Caitlyn not a family member anymore? Like people forget, she helped raise Kim too - Kris didn't do it alone. Kim and Caitlyn have a relationship and that's not a betrayal in the slightest, when she came we Bruce she was basically like another dad to her. SHES WALKED HER DOWN THE GODDAMN AISLE TWICE.
Exactly
*he and nope he talked alot of crap about them in HIS book and divorce so no not really
I usually feel sorry for Kris and I still do, but I think it was unecessary that she wanted her kids to be on her side. I mean Caitlyn is still their dad so I don't get why she doesn't want them to help her.
Exactly. Kris brought him into their lives. Now she wants them to drop him like he wasn't there for them for most of their life. People always say to leave the kids out of certain situations, and even though those kids are now adults, that rule should still apply.
Max Kordei agreed she's selfish not neutral?! Really?! Feeling abandoned because she helped someone pick a dress?! She seriously needs psychiatric help!
Max Kordei It's because she wants loyalty... she feels betrayed because her husband left her and became a woman. If you ask me she has every reason to be so upset, it's obvious that all she wants is loyalty
I agree, she has every right to feel the way she does. The thing is, those feelings should be towards Caitlyn, not Kim.
I completely agree so she wants loyalty but what about Kendall and Kylie do she want them to drop Caitlyn and never speak to her again? it makes no sense it really doesn't. you can't expect your children to completely drop the Father Figure who's been in their life since they were little all because you're in your feelings.
She has every right to be upset that she feels lied to by Caitlyn, but she does NOT have the right to put her children in the middle of it. That’s selfish and unstable.
But they're not children.
@@keytowomanhood506 in the context if this conversation they are the children
Kris knew for a long time yet she didn't leave Caitlyn. Caitlyn was pretty feminine for a guy. Please don't be so naive.
They all have a right to be upset, but parents don't have a right to make their kids choose sides. Grown or not. And let's face it Bruce was their dad for most of their life. Also Kris.. closed mouths don't get fed. So if you don't speak up.. how is anyone supposed to know how upset you are, when youre going around acting as if your fine?
I understand that Kim felt the need to help Caitlyn but I totally feel for Kris. She has spent most of her life with someone she knew as a man and now that is changing, it must be difficult for her. I think it's great that Kim and everyone are so accepting but Kris had every right to be upset x
This is such a serious issue. People need to understand how serious this situation is to the family. Trust, Betrayal, Power, and Love all come into play. You guys! We are talking about a dress here! This isn't something small like world hunger, animal cruelty, or unequal rights. No. A dress- maybe even a Versace dress. All my support goes to the family.
but really? kim's literally the most loyal one (to kris)
That is just not fair and not right of Kris to treat her kids that way. She brought Bruce (now Caitlyn) into their lives, and deep down that is still their father figure. Who cares if he is a woman now, it doesn't change the fact that he has been there to help raise those kids. It's not fair for Kris to just decided she wants her kids to cut Caitlyn out of their lives like she has, just because she personally feels betrayed. She shouldn't drag her kids into her problems.
Caitlin Kimball she* she*
Caitlin Kimball she*
Caitlin Kimball kids? lol
Lizzie P he**** he*******
She signed up for her children to have a father & be a good example of a husband, not a second mother.
1:52 Jonathans look tho...I can't 😂😂😂😂
That's wrong to say "I don't want neutral." Yeah, kris was probably broken hearted at some point over Caitlyn's change but her relationship should have nothing to do with the kids. Caitlyn is still their stepfather, even in their life for decades.
I miss when this show felt like an actual reality show back in 2008 and not a soap opera
That's a horrible thing that Kris put on those children. Whatever her and Caitlyn have going on, that's their business. This explains why they cut him off.
I completely completely relate to Kris's feelings, but the way she is manipulating her children here, even if she doesn't realize and can't help it is really wrong in my opinion. It's very moon in cancer. It's very relatable though, because she honestly is trying as she said herself to be "as gracious as she can".
As a divorced parent- I can actually say "I get Kris's pain"!
No one can understand unless they are divorced and he betrayed you.
If you have not walked in those shoes directly then please don't judge her.
Breakups are hard especially when children are involved. As selfish and childish as it sounds you can't your kids to disown anyone that mistreated you!
We will give our lives forbour kids so for them to run to anyone's aid that has hurt us family or not it is painful.
If you don't understand that rationale perhaps you are the perfect human being and the rest of us are flawed!
My heart goes out to Kris. She has every right to be upset. She gv him 20 plus years of her life and it was a "LIE". She was the one to always defend him. She has feelings also. Bruce knew how he felt before he married her. If I can remember correctly she did not want anymore children but she had 2 more because of him. She loved him. My heart goes out to her, Kris I will be praying for you. This will take time for her to emotionally and mentally heal. Kim try to understand your mother, the one who gave "BIRTH" to you.
Kris is mad because Kim helped Caitlyn pick out a dress when she never told Kim that her and Caitlyn were having issues... This is so petty and so stupid 😴
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right !!!
Ceara Nicole I think that is a general parent thing tbh.
Ceara Nicole exactly how is she mad with Jim for helping her pick out a freaking dress a dress !? At the end of the day that's still kind step dad she didn't know that they were having issues
That is so true and juvenile just like because one friend is mad at the other and gets mad at you for still talking to them.
I get that Kris is still hurting over Bruce turning into a woman and what not.. but how did Kim betray her? that is her step father same way for so many years.. kris can't just expect them to all cut Bruce off
I don't understand why she's mad she just help her with her clothes omg hahahahhaha
Kris has no right to be mad. She’s the same one who still continued talking to Lamar when Khloe was trying to move on.
She's cool with all their ex's who did them dirty
Seriously like controlling much?
0:13 jonathan farted and khloe laughed at it
That’s their mic I think. You know wind sometimes distorts the mic to makes such sound
this is probably the conversation that made khloes mind up about caitlin. she saw how hurt her mom really was and realized she really needed to take her side
He did help raise her children, so they should stop talking to Caitlyn? Kris seems to forget she was rude, didn't let Bruce have a choice in many things
What kind of mother makes her kids choose sides. Kris needs to grow tf up Kim's a grown woman she should be able to help whoever she wants.
Sick to the core! My mother used to play this same sick game with me too, but I never bought into it. She'd call me selfish, even accused me of not having any feelings, because I would refuse to take sides. And I was just a kid too when she told me that, so for a second I almost believed her. It's taken me a while to forgive her for that. So she has issues with my dad and I'm supposed to hate him for her. I understand their suffering, their pains and disappointments, but to say that these females need to grow up is the understatement of the century. They grew up believing in prince charmings, this generation of females, very noive and immature... So when their men turned out to be exactly that, just men, and their babies started growing into actual human beings with actual personalities, a lot of them just lost it and decided to stay lost, because doing that is easier than growing up.
moonlightbae True. A good mother would.
moonlightbae lol typical Scorpio
naw bruh. Bruce literally bashed their mom the second he came out about being transgender. Talk anything about my mama we have beef FOREVA.
@@Ohkeh640 Omg lol. I was literally gonna comment that too.
The fact that Kim didn't even consider her mothers feelings and smiling when they're on the phone really shows how little she cared
The way he holds the phone 😆
Frl😭😭
I love how this family is laughing when someone in there family is hurting or how everything is a joke. This is what reality TV does to your family.
i hope kim feels better soon
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Same
why do you care. she's more privileged than 99% of the world, ofc she's gonna be ok. care more for kids in africa
NinjaSpan i can care about kim kardashian and the kids in africa at the same time..
NinjaSpan why don't you care about urself. you told people to do so Have you donate or do anything nice to them? Less talking n do more babe
Khloe loves it when her sister's are in trouble with Kris.
O M G i cried :( I feel u on this one Kris !!!
1:30 this part made me feel so bad for Kris 😕
Jonathan the whole time: 👁️🤳👁️
I love the music in the back ground
The best Scene and truth of the show ever! I was so glad and proud of Mama Kris😘
✨😿💚💖👍🏿🙏🏻🤍😘😛😍🤩🥺😌😋
Ngl I understand how Kris is feeling but I disagree with what’s she saying. Kim is a grown with her own thoughts, opinions and alliances which she should be able to act on. It is pathetic and selfish telling your children to pick a side rather than to just remain neutral like it’s not like Kim did anything wrong. She legit just helped Caitlin pick out clothes
Agreed.
Are y'all seriously already jumping to conclusions from a two and a half minute clip of an hour long show? I can absolutely guarantee there's more to the story, so before we start ganging up on Kris we should see the full episode. Besides, even if this small occurrence is the case, I think Kris is just tired of her children as a whole constantly disrespecting her (which we are shown Every Episode) and she just so happened to let it out on Kim. We all tend to let things build up, and when it comes to the boiling point whoever we have an issue with at the time tends to get lashed out upon. Kris is an excellent mother and she always has her children's better interests at heart. I mean she managed ALL of their careers from young to old and look where they are now!
LittleJ1576 agree!
Went against the family? Caitlyn is family!!!! She needs to quit being selfish and let Kim be with Caitlyn. If she has problems with Caitlyn that's hers problem it's not for Kim to drag along
Them making fun of Kris’s # has me dead
I absolutely feel Kris, she's a battered woman who has been hurt! She wants her kids to be on her side with this!
When Chloe said 'oh she's really upset' at the end, that was the first time I heard her REAL voice
😂😂😂😂 for a minute I thought that was Caitlyn 😂
I felt that kris. I'd be the same way. Like he/she wasn't their real father, so yep, I demand loyalty.
Kaitlyn is kims stepdad.. kims allowed to hang out with her. this is rediculous!
I really don't get what the big deal is. What did Kim do wrong?
+lenwan1 that's her ex husband .. like why wouldn't she feel betrayed omfg..
Because they were okay. They got along
+christian guitierrez , really? Kris needs to grow up, they all knew he wanted to be a woman, I knew he wanted to be a woman before I even really sat and watched a single episode of the show. Kris is being selfish, Bruce was there for Kim growing up, she should be able to help Caitlin do whatever.
Ohio Girl How is Caitlin being selfish it's not her fault that she want to feel comfortable in her own body.
Annie Nguyen 👏👏👏 agree . its almost like she was trying to make him miserable instead of letting him be genuinely happy when he's been nothing but a good father/ stepfather ❤ everyone should be happy.
how is kim a trader?when kris still has the last name jenner? 🐸☕ #caitlynjenner
shade
Pizza lime 😂😂😂
EXACTLY
what kind of Armenian witch magic is this? Why the phuck did I click on this?!
charlieq2012 lol if you don't like kuwtk n why are you here? UA-cam don't have a magic button
I love kim so much , 😩
l love kim so much😘
“I really like her mom” same kj
Poor Kris, that was hard to listen to her so upset
Kim is always being portrayed as this rude stuck up women but in reality Kim has always been the one to keep people happy. No matter how crazy her mom might have been she hasn't disrespected her like I've seen the others. She has cried for her mom because the girls were being bad to her. I don't care about what y'all say. Kim is a nice person and I don't see her as what the media makes her out to be.
Your a traitor because you helped my ex husband pick out a dress ! Horrible !😑
If you watch the phone closely you see the cover comes off around 1:12 then watch the full clip it comes off and then back on a few times
I want to brush Kim's eyebrow with a spoolie soo badly 🙃😂
When someones crying...kloe and Kim smirk and laugh...who does that? ...mean girls
i mean yes they're divorced but remember that during the many many years of marriage they had, caitlyn was a influencial figure to all the kardashians and its wrong for a mother to expect that all her children will cut ties with somebody who had been in their life for a long long time. A divorce is a two personal situation, its never just one persons fault so you shouldn't expect your family to cut off the other person and all kim did was help with a dress like come on
this actually made me cry
they've reshot this scene cus if u look closely the phone cover changes lol
Charlotte West they probably just took it off during the duration of the conversation. This is reality tv, so bits and pieces are edited to make a cohesive flow of the topic they are talking about. I wouldn't say they reshot this scene. For example, I'm sure this conversation was more than 2 minutes. They just pieced the clips together to make it quick and to the point.
ohh okay yeah that makes sense haha
That's what they always do that's why we are following them,,, because they know how to do it
Khloe: “oh she’s really upset”
If that isn’t me.. then I don’t know what is 😂😂
1:02 phone is in the case 1:09 phone is not in the case 1:29 phone is in the case again. Magic?
Ikr, I been seeing that
Johnathan literally too it off
Poor family I feel so bad for them. They deserve all the money in the world. Such a talented family.
Is this season 12?
I hate people that act like being loyal is so hard or if it’s so demanding like ok then bye
Kris was being REAL!!! Love it!
the guy in the middle looks like Caitlyn before the surgery
I think kris is not really over the fact that the man she was married for many years ended up turning into a woman. Plus, I think she now feels competition because there's another "mom" now. It's all very confusing as to why kris would get so hurt over Kim helping out her step dad, trans or not that's still someone that has been in Kim's life for a very elongated amount of time. I want to understand kris lol but I just dont
i mean i as a gay man can sit here and say im all for peoples struggle. do i know the struggles of a trans person? no i dont, but what i will say if imagine marrying somebody for 20+ years, having children with this person and having this person around ur other children to only find out they were struggling with identity issues, then to find out “oh he isn’t just struggling” he’s literally transitioning to a woman it’s a slap across ur face and disrespectful. i can completely understand kris’s struggle to cope with it.
When kim can't even hold the phone her self.😂😂😂
what is up with that guys face?...wholy fillers.....what is it?
another Caitlyn in the making,lol
There's your answer............
Fillers!😊😊
this is one of the realist condos I've ever watched to be honest
I have one word for all this : menopause lol
Claudette Avila u my friend are hilarious
Claudette Avila lol aha! you can't escape mother nature! that made me chuckle but I do feel for her though. they always redicule her until she gets to the breaking point! my 15 year old daughter does that to me all the time and when I lose it she goes " calm down mother! it ain't that deep" and two days later she would claim that she didn't think I was really upset! I am not even menopausal yet! lord help me!
Claudette A i think that happened years ago
Claudette A Right
giette 83 more like #scorpio
Why is it a Problem for Kim to help her step-mother. Wouldn’t you want your children to have a healthy relationship with their step parents
Well we see where Kim gets her insecurities from, her mom! I thought her and Caitlyn were alright with each other too.
"please dont text me with hashtags" lmfaoooo
"She's really upset" LMAOOOO😂
I'd not talk to Kris until she got a freaking grip her kids are all adults now and have moved out and are becoming parents like are you kidding Kris literally
Dude he still raised the kids for a long time so you want them to drop him? Grow up dude and stop making your kids pick. Childish.
That's a stupid reason to be upset. she helped her pick out a dress? okay. It's not fair of Kris to say helping Caitlyn is wrong considering the fact that before Caitlyn bruce had been their step dad and only dad they had since their father past away for more than 20 years. He was the man to walk Khloe and Kim down the isle! so it doesn't matter to them if he's caitlyn now. and it's unfair after looking at someone as a parent for 20 yrs just for Kris to tell them to now talk to Caitlyn
I think the case is missing because there's footage missing though, I think I saw more on e!... Plus I totally feel Kris, it most be incredibly hard to have YOUR children not caring about your feelings It's not about the dress is more about what's behind it. Most be incredibly hard to even understand all those years of marriage after all ...
Maria Paula Loria thank you! I'm always team Kris 😭 her dramatics make me love her even more haha
Texting with hashtags is so funny. Hahaha
Poor Kim...so much pressure from ALL sides. She needs a VACATION from her People. Kanye & His Family should distance selves from this 2 LIVE crew...
Omg. That actually hurt my heart a little.
Sounds to me like Kris just had a major Scorpio meltdown. But speaking of loyalty, and how she feels betrayed, it just makes me wonder if how she felt about Caitlyn can even compare to how Robert Kardashian felt when she left him for Bruce (Caitlyn)
Riley Krid had an affair with a certain man which led to her divorce. Bruce came after that affair. ✌
Nallely Rojas Ah, I see, well either way, the fact that she was able to cheat on her husband and betray her family, and then talk about loyalty is hypocritical no matter how long it's been. Bruce didn't cheat on her, he just embraced his true self, and even though it might hurt her, she's got to accept it.