@@justmechanicthings It depends on driving profile a lot (and person driving of course). I run a taxi service and our cars all do this mileage on the original clutch. Wont wear out if its seldom used.
@@nstarmore 5 years ago my new 108 puretech 1.2 blew up on a Asda car park. Spent 1/4 of the cars worth trying to see what was going on after going in limp mode, the dealer refered me to place in Wolverhampton for an engine rebuild. I could cry to this day. £800 for a catalytic converter to fix it..... NOPE. This that and the other. Nobody could diagnose it properly .I'm a proud owner of a 20 year old Corsa and I started with a 106 that I purchased for £70.
It’s a terrible shame: engines are over complicated now. I had a 106 with the 1.1 TU petrol. It was a very reliable engine and an all round good little car.
Bosch pump. I love a pug 405. I have collected 10 in the last 12 yrs from all over the UK… all stashed safely for when retire next year to play with … an Executive, 2x STDT’s, 3x GTX’s, 4xGLX’s …. All TD bar one…
In the 80,s I bought a 75 peugot 405 and drove it for several years while I lived in west virginia.Looking back it was great car that was comfortable and stylish.I also went through a couple of volvo 240,s.Could not wear them out but tired of them.
My Citroen ZX 1.9 TD had over 400,000 miles on it when the back axle etc passed away. 60+ mpg easily on the motorway at 70 mph cruising. When I changed the cam belt and set up the pump timing as per the workshop manual , it went like the clappers, was quieter,smoother and hardly any smoke. A pain to do but worth it. I know its never usually done even at the dealers. Did the same on a 2.5 VW lump and that made a difference too. The ZX being light and with great road holding you could disillusion lots of hot hatches by sticking with them on the twisties. My one regret is that I missed out on a one owner ZX 16v Volcane ..... if only.
@@user-lc3fo8oy4q this one was 3 door red 16v engine with the 8 exhaust runners , and had a Volcane badge on it. I guess the owner must have put it on then
@@mazdaman1286 The Volcane had the older XU9 8v engine (same as the 205 GTi). The 16v was the quicker of the two but the Volcane was still a great drivers car.
@@garyconstant4234 Oh YES. Hours of fun Took the front seats our Steering column out then the dash(have to get the intercooler off to get at the bolts and hoses) Then split the heater box to swap a £9.96 core....fortunately no aircon then the hassle of lining up multiple brackets etc to slide it all back in. did it over a weekend.
They are really good engines! we had an skid steer loader on the farm which had an Kubota engine which failed at 5000hrs (headgasket) , & just happen thats my grand parents pevgeot 405 J reg turbo d had failed it MOT on the yard! We stuck the engine from the 405 into the skid steer loaded (all it did was turn an hydraulic pump) and revved in at 2000rpm , went on to do at least 3000hrs more before we sold it! (6000hrs is almost an equivalent to 120k miles give or take) we thought about putting a cambelt on it but we didn't , The engine had over 180k when it was still in the car , it definitely needed it heat plugs working in the winter! The huge existing radiator within the machine meant it hardly ever reached its working temp!
We ran a Citroen Synergie for years with the same 1.9 XUD lump. It had 7 seats, a flat floor, slidy doors, tons of room and did everything without fail. Would easily do over 50mpg on veg oil, loaded with 2 adults, 3 kids, dog, roof box & packed to the gunnels with camping gear. Wished we kept it & sorted out the bodywork as it was part of the family.
I also ran my XU9td on veg oil. Used from a mates burger bar, I simply let the food bits settle in the jug, decanted off the rest, filtered it through a pair of tights, and stuck it in the tank! Bosch injector pump only, lucasCAV were too weak, ran perfectly and smelled of chips 😂
@@6ettinold if I could find a decent 806 or Synergie I would get it tomorrow... Missing mine (cambelt snapped whilst abroad 😭) Was also running on veg.. 👍👍
Back in 2006 I bought a 405 GTX TDi with the xud engine.it was the estate in metallic grey. Did a few trips to Portugal in it and it never missed a beat and being the top spec it was very comfortable and very quick.
We had an M reg 405 GLX TD estate in a peculiar greenish-blue. First decent car we had as a family after a long run of Ford rubbish. It had air con, that worked! Many happy memories of that car, first car I took an interest in. M183 PAJ, you are missed!
Pretty impressive really i think the end of the good diesel was when the dpf come along. I mean some of them arent bad they are just too complicated. The older stuff is far superior.
You are not wrong but even DPF cars can run very good and many miles without trouble if you got a good driving profile. In some ways, DPF cars can be even better because of newer technology construction of the engine and drivetrain in general.
@@GoldenCroc oh yeh I agree. I had a 1.6 focus diesel 62 DPf I did over 100k in that car and being a young lad drove it hard. It never had an issue. The problem is when they do have an issue. My current car is a 2.0tdci smax pre DPf and it just works. It doesn't do lots of miles and because no DPf it doesn't matter and it doesn't care. A modern diesel wouldn't appreciate that that's why I believe that was the last of the good diesel that era. I mean the Vw pd absolutely superb engine bullet proof things. The modern stuff just ain't the same.
@@HA05GER Well as I said I mostly agree, but if you got the favorable driving profile, dpf does 300k+ easily as well, and more. And as I alluded to, you can for example get a bit better fuel economy with the newer stuff if that matters. So in some regards its swings and roundabouts. But for ultimate reliability over all, yes the old stuff is better no doubt.
@@GoldenCroc yeh my basis is more on reliability and I'd argue the economy is worse on the modern stuff. My smax will happily do 60mpg and up where as my focus would be in the 50s. It's a bigger car but doesn't have all the emissions stuff. Possibly been mapped which can make a difference but I've never done it but it's superb on fuel. I found the same with sprinters I used to drive them for a living, the older ones were better on fuel than the brand new ones. It's inevitable cars get heaving and with dpfs and so on require extra fuel to maintain these systems. Whether it be by running the engine hotter by injecting more.fuel to maintain the dpf or directly into the exhaust. Then you've got adblue to contend with which is notoriously temperamental even if a modern one is slightly more economical which I don't find them to be, your losing that in maintaining all this crap.
Insanity, I regret selling my Fiat Tipo 1.9TD everyday, it has more than 400.000 km now, luckily a friend of mine has it so I see it regularly, but what an amazing car, old diesel engines are almost immortal.
@@maxeluy there's a Tipo 1.9TD still running around my neck of the woods. Coming off bends, being given some throttle, no smoke, just a little haze. Car looks great and runs well. Love to know it's mileage.
A buddy had one of those; petrol, 120 PS, automatic. 7,5 litres on 100 km (31 mpg). Absolutely beautiful and comfortable. I’m German but I prefer French cars… 🚗💨🇫🇷
You can see why mini-cabbers loved these - and thats the reason you don't see more of them lol. I worked at a place where we used them as reps cars - 3yrs and 100k miles they were moved on and they fetched to dollar. Many of the reps would say it was madness to get rid as double that was well within remit
My first car was a phase 2 306, my current car is a late CX. Every time I have to drive something German, I want to be in a psa car again. Friends have asked me how 30ish year old cars are that much more comfortable than modern vehicles.
@@TheBlaert Correct.. when i travel from Spain to Holland, no pain in the ass, its like sitting on the sofa at home, when i go with one of my newer cars, pain in the ass already at the spain / french border, and than still a 1500 km,s to go,, Also i can sleep comfy in the back with a matress from home.
This glorious old rot box has survived the last 30 years at a average of about 11000 miles per year. It deserves a good send off. I reckon you should get as many UA-cam car nerds as possible to road test it, document everything about the state of the bodywork/mechanicals/interior and the way it drives, before it finally gets scrapped.
Had x3 405 Peugeots , a 89 1.6 petrol, a 92 1.9D and a 94 1.9TD those diesel engines were brilliant especially TD (xud9) when PSA knew how to build an engine.
A long, past, and forgotten time when we french made reliable, cheap to maintain, and easy to use cars. And that 405 is in really good health. 92hp given by Peugeot, 90.4 measured. The XUD was a really strong engine.
@@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim It's the Hubnut (Ian) Citroen Berlingo. Lots of silly comments about fitting the XUD into it, but with HDi fixed and properly running (likely a set of new or refurb injectors) and it'll be better than the XUD could ever hope to be.
I had a white saloon with D turbo wheels on as well. Sold it 19 years ago, its amazing they still look, outwardly, almost as good condition all this time on
The 405 estate was the very 1st car i ever drove, at the age of 16 years old. It was a NA diesel, My dad took to his works carpark for a go. It was a great car, i nearly had it as a 1st car if he hadn't get shot, that year, for the peugeot 406 dturbo
A mate of mine had one of those 405 diesel wagons. Absolutely loved it, especially the 1000km plus range. Pity it broke the timing belt and snapped the cam into 3 pieces. Getting the replacement head and cam out to Australia was an expensive exercise. That one in the video is a ripper for the mileage. I hope it lives on in another car.
When I worked at the pub dealers, we sold XU D camshaft to an engineering shop. They made new caps as they also snapped, line bored them, good as new, bet they don't do stuff like that any more, real shame, you could buy rebuilt heads for a fraction of a new one
Straight Outta Ryton.... What a great little car, 30 years old. What a shame Peugeot management had that famous Top Gear breakfast meeting and decided to stop making great cars.....
@@SamiHentunen I had a 405 sri 1.9 petrol and I can honestly say, with my hand on my heart that it is the car I most regret getting rid of. I only did around 45k miles in it but they were the most comfortable and reliable miles that I have ever traveled. I bought it for £170 with a suspected head gasket failure. Turned out to be a tiny tiny pin hole in one of the heater matrix pipes just to one side of a jubilee clamp. Ahhhhhh, happier days!! 🇬🇧👍😎👍🇬🇧
Those older Peugeots 405 and 406's were great and comfortable machines. They missed a trick not continuing going for comfort over rock hard suspension so many cars have now.
In about 2008 I had a ten year old Zx non turbo use to run mine on veg oil or sunflower oil for a bigger bang for my bucks that had over 300k on the clock the emissions were well under the mot standard great engines never missed a beat ❤
The throttle response in modern cars is more of a suggestion and then you have to file a request with your local council for it to return to idle it takes taht long.
I remember going to Cornwall with my family in the Non estate/Straight Diesel 405 in the 90's. God I'd love to drive that trip to Penzance in a 405 just to relive the drive myself.
I had an H registration. 1.8td, Estate, 370.000 miler. Bought it for £150 from a car auction, ex.taxi. in 2002. Refurbed the front suspension and top mounts. New water pump, and that was it. No rust, sun roof electrics were shot. Engine never missed a beat, never returned less than 40mpg, even when cruising over a certain speed limit on the motorway to Scotland from Northampton. Ran it for 2 years and sold it for £250, which I wished I hadn't. One of the best cars I owned.
After I was forced to give up my Escort RS Turbo before it fell to bits, I was gifted one of these (sport trim) as a company car. It was so good with the aircon on that if you were heading up a dual carriageway, let's call it the A69, you had to plan your manoeuvre in advance to pass a truck, because if the aircon kicked in at the wrong moment you were hosed. It got nicked from outside the house one night, and I only noticed because I ran for the bus to town through the gap where I'd parked it. My replacement for that was a normally aspirated 405. Cursed.
My father opened up the engine of a 2.1 diesel citroen xm, with 1180 000 km. the cranck and conecting rods were beefy, the main bearings looked really good, the cylinders looked like new, no wear. My father had previous replaced the hydralic lifters at 650 000 km. The turbo was also replaced once.
I had an 1.9 TD Xsara (300 000 km) as my first car. She never let me down, would always start right up, had all the torque you'd need. I have since then swapped to a Xsara VTS with the glorious 2.0 RFS engine as my summer car but some days I miss the simple carefree 1.9 TD.
My 406 1.9 dt had 360000 miles when I sold it. It was probably the best car I ever owned. I used to cruise it at over 100mph on the continent. Handled great too. All I did was routine maintenance.
Great! I had one of these 405 estate cars in London in the 90s it was awesome! Drove every day dragging my heavy tools around and the only time the engine quit was when I accidentally knocked my knee of the ignition key. Great engine, great car with super comfortable seats that I have not felt since
Many car manufacturers were at the top of their game in the seventies through nineties, whether it's Toyota, Mazda, Honda, M-B, VW, PSA,... Cars that could run forever if you took care of them. They put the quality of their product above profit and now it's the other way around.
Love these old diesels and I think as many of them should be saved as possible. That way they will outlive us. I run a 3.0TDI A6. Owned it since new from 2006. It’s at 94,000 miles now and not even close to half way through its life. No rust and still runs and drives like the day it was new. I will keep driving it until it won’t move forward under its own power. Hopefully still decades away. Best car I’ve ever owned and spent less than £2k on parts for it in almost 18 years….excluding tyres and brakes. Electric vehicles have a long way to go to make them as good as these cars and personally I don’t think I they’ll ever get there.
I have just spent most of this video screaming in my head "what pump does it have?" Lol. Bosch pump. Not surprised as I had one on my 96 306 Dturbo. They're considered superior to the Lucas pump if you want to tune them. I miss the clatter of these engines. I currently have a 2007 Mondeo 2.0 TDCi which is another pug lump. 230k and the engine still goes really well, on the original clutch, DPF, and it has been tuned in my ownership.
I am a cabbie and have been for almost 30 years. back in 1990, my parents started a cab firm and we ran a fleet of Peugeot 405's. All in all, they were good cars that usually lasted about 250-300k but the autos were crap and the bodies were very light and prone to denting. The best car of that generation for tanking miles was in my opinion the cavalier 1.7 ls td. That isuzu lump just never gave up! nowadays I run superbs and my last 2 made 420 000 miles (killed off in a crash and 348700, (cambelt taken out by an aux belt failure. ) I laugh when people tell me that their cars worn out at 100k... barely run in...
@@1maico1 Diesel all the way, the 1.6 is where you go if you want the best mpg--70+ on a long haul while the 2litre is almost as good but gives you plenty of oomph when you want it. I have had both and both were excellent reliable engines. They really dont seem to have any major problems beyond the usual DPF and EGR aggro.
Its pretty impressive how over time (~15 years or so) we now have 1.5/1.6 diesels making over 100hp standard and often exceed the economy of the old 90's 1.9/2.0L motors They dont last as long though, thats for sure She does have a gorgeous power curve 😅
Had two of these back in in the day, awesome cars. The last one had been remapped and was surprisingly quick. Was on 155k when I sold it, just nicely run it. So much better than the 406 that I replaced it with...Great video, thanks!
Hi, you quoted the current HP figure being 2hp down on the claimed factory standard output. When the car was certified, the manufacturer was allowed to use very cold chilled air and also to remove the PAS pump/ ABS pumps / alternators / vacuum pumps on dyno runs. The EU stopped most of that nonsense. You do not know if that sample was producing the claimed figure when new. In summary, a massive mileage engine that still produces superb power. Brilliant video, thank you.
Appreciate the comment, but I don't agree. The original figures used DIN correction factors, the same as this. In cold climates the engines may well produce more than 100bhp; in the Sahara...less than 85bhp? The correction factor was specifically brought in to mitigate these differences, including the variation in WHP losses between manual/auto transmissions; air pressure; air temperature; ancillaries etc. SAE figures may well be closer to what you're suggesting as they were engine-only, but DIN was a Euro-centric standard that all manufacturers who sold cars in the EU (and many outside it) adhered to, and it was designed to set a universal standard from which all situations would suit all cars.
I'm a 405 fanatic. I've owned 8 of them over the years and still have a Phase 1 Mi16. Out of them all the Turbo D's were the ones that gave me most problems and that was due to porosity in the heads. Of the three Turbo D's I owned two of them were very close to each other in chassis numbers, and sure enough both had porous heads. The 3rd one was fine and it racked up massive miles with no issues. There was a story that a huge amount of 1995 cars (like mine) had porous heads
Love those xud engines, learned to drive in a xantia with one in. I then had a xsara Picasso with the 2.0 hdi! My fave car ever. It was so reliable and comfortable. I got the clock to 250,000 miles and it was still on the original HP pump, injectors, head gasket, turbo and clutch. Few cambelts, water pumps and oil and filter changes and she just kept on going!
The desing of this car is... i cant explain maybe because its rare now and sort of nostalgic era, but ive seen one recently and the c pillar and trunk on sedan version looks really good
Had a 405 on G plate in 1989. Absolutely f'in loved it ! It was my first new car. Then had a 406 saloon, then a 406 coupe, then a 407 saloon and then a 407 coupe. All because of that 405 back in 1989. Lovely 👍
my first car was 96' Xantia SW 1.9TD with 91HP , but it exploded 2 engines (2 times exploded rod on n1 cylinder) . The 95's where know to be bullet proof and run forever , and seems that the 97's were modified and dont explode anymore
I had an '89 405 Estate but with the 1.9 petrol engine, it had covered 380,000 miles, still on the original clutch, when I traded it in against a '97 406 TD Estate. It was a bit fumey if you got stuck in traffic but still very nice to drive and everything still worked. The 406 went on to do 265,000 and apart from regular servicing and consumables it never cost me a penny, I needed a van so it had to go, it looked and drove like a 60,000 car! The two best cars I ever owned, I'd love a clean low mileage 406 estate again.
All the 'drove it at 70mph, got 60/70/90/1,000 mpg' comments make me chuckle. Had two cars with these engines in, high 30s in a xantia estate with a wound in pump and mid to low 40s in a 406 with just a birthday setup. They would do better on fuel but then again you'd have to drive so slowly to get it.
I brought a new Peugeot 306 XRDT 1.9DT in 1994 and it blew a head gasket at just under 400K kilometres which really disappointed me because it was a fantastic car and it had great motor. It was still returning 5.3l/100km or 53.3 MPG. I'm not sure new cars do that. Great video - thanks.
I had a 1997 Renault Laguna 2,2 diesel, driven 575 000 km, had nothing wrong drivetrain wise, but rot had eaten it underneath beyond welding. Had to let it go, unfortunately. It was a solid car, like they still were 25 yrs ago.
I have a 2022 Citroën Spacetourer van hdi with just over 180bhp and i must say the thing really really shifts!!! I also have a 1989 Peugeot 405 1.9 sri which I have owned from new and is in showroom condition and has only 22,000 miles on the clock from new. I hardly ever drove it as iv always had vans so have used those instead...
Those old XUDs were brilliant, especially the early non Lucas Bosch pumped ones. I once drove through a flood (had a high mounted airfilter) and filled the bores with water. Glow plugs removed Pushed it down a hill, bump start and off she went. Miss the simplicity but not the smoke
Yes the Xud engines were probably the finest " mechanically fuelled" small diesels at that time, actually pleasant to drive and relatively powerful rather than the horrendous underpowered agricultural digger diesel engine options from Ford & Vauxhall, i believe Ricardo engineering played a big part in the original design.
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It should also be pointed out that that vehicle is on the original clutch at that mileage😮
Presumably it's your car then
How do you know that? that's insane
not that surprised. guy i work with had a citroen saxo, did 220,0000+ miles with the original engine, gearbox and clutch, wasn't worn out.
Just to point out this isn't my car, it's this chap's (Dale). If you want to throw pitchforks at anyone, it's him - I'm not the one scrapping it! 😆
@@justmechanicthings It depends on driving profile a lot (and person driving of course). I run a taxi service and our cars all do this mileage on the original clutch. Wont wear out if its seldom used.
As a recent victim of the joys of the Puretech this is a nice reminder of when PSA made brilliant engines. How times have changed.
@@nstarmore 5 years ago my new 108 puretech 1.2 blew up on a Asda car park. Spent 1/4 of the cars worth trying to see what was going on after going in limp mode, the dealer refered me to place in Wolverhampton for an engine rebuild. I could cry to this day. £800 for a catalytic converter to fix it..... NOPE. This that and the other. Nobody could diagnose it properly .I'm a proud owner of a 20 year old Corsa and I started with a 106 that I purchased for £70.
As someone who has the THP engine I agree.
It’s a terrible shame: engines are over complicated now. I had a 106 with the 1.1 TU petrol. It was a very reliable engine and an all round good little car.
I agree. Always had Peugeots since I began to work in 1991. My actual 308 is the last one. I'll go to Honda, next
The diesels are still great, but like all modern cars the adblue system is'nt
That engine is a piece of (albeit recent) motoring history. It needs to live on in another incarnation.
It does. Anything 1.9 diesel is based on this block. Fiat VW Ford. It is the second most produced engine in history apparently.
Agreed good engines should be saved, The shell is a rust bucket and beyond saving, but this would be great for a engine swap project
Bosch pump.
I love a pug 405. I have collected 10 in the last 12 yrs from all over the UK… all stashed safely for when retire next year to play with … an Executive, 2x STDT’s, 3x GTX’s, 4xGLX’s …. All TD bar one…
I worked in a Peugeot main dealer, drove a 405 estate GTDT, what a cracking car that was 😁
I've had my own diesels, plus 3 405Mi16, 3 405Mi16x4, and the best...modded and tuned 406 coupe 3.0V6...best cars ever 😍
In the 80,s I bought a 75 peugot 405 and drove it for several years while I lived in west virginia.Looking back it was great car that was comfortable and stylish.I also went through a couple of volvo 240,s.Could not wear them out but tired of them.
i had a 1.9gri..... it was fast..... had everything a sti had but the rear spoiler....
Back in the 70s the Peugeot diesel was the go to diesel Engine they had the reputation for strength and durability
Or Mercedes, if you had the budget.
This was all before cars where not outsourcing their stuff from China
Still running in africa
Mercedes was als fine in Taxis
@@TheStobb50 my father had 1994 pug 205 diesel van….it was fast and hardly used any fuel
If I bring Bella down, can you fit that engine? Cheers.
@@HubNut Ian, this is a project I'd love to see!
I was just going to say to keep that engine for Bella 😂
Seems like a great use for that engine.
That is actually a crazy good idea 😂
@@HubNut haha.. watched this and thought that engine would be perfect in Bella 😂
My Citroen ZX 1.9 TD had over 400,000 miles on it when the back axle etc passed away. 60+ mpg easily on the motorway at 70 mph cruising. When I changed the cam belt and set up the pump timing as per the workshop manual , it went like the clappers, was quieter,smoother and hardly any smoke. A pain to do but worth it. I know its never usually done even at the dealers. Did the same on a 2.5 VW lump and that made a difference too. The ZX being light and with great road holding you could disillusion lots of hot hatches by sticking with them on the twisties. My one regret is that I missed out on a one owner ZX 16v Volcane ..... if only.
@mazdaman1286 No such thing as a Zx Volcane 16v. It was either a 16v or Volcane. Two separate models. Anorak loyal.
@@user-lc3fo8oy4q this one was 3 door red 16v engine with the 8 exhaust runners , and had a Volcane badge on it. I guess the owner must have put it on then
@@mazdaman1286 The Volcane had the older XU9 8v engine (same as the 205 GTi). The 16v was the quicker of the two but the Volcane was still a great drivers car.
@@mazdaman1286 did the heater matrix ever give out, I had a zx for 8 years and wished I still had it now
@@garyconstant4234 Oh YES. Hours of fun Took the front seats our Steering column out then the dash(have to get the intercooler off to get at the bolts and hoses) Then split the heater box to swap a £9.96 core....fortunately no aircon then the hassle of lining up multiple brackets etc to slide it all back in. did it over a weekend.
Those headlight protectors are like gold dust, Rich!
They are really good engines! we had an skid steer loader on the farm which had an Kubota engine which failed at 5000hrs (headgasket) , & just happen thats my grand parents pevgeot 405 J reg turbo d had failed it MOT on the yard! We stuck the engine from the 405 into the skid steer loaded (all it did was turn an hydraulic pump) and revved in at 2000rpm , went on to do at least 3000hrs more before we sold it! (6000hrs is almost an equivalent to 120k miles give or take) we thought about putting a cambelt on it but we didn't ,
The engine had over 180k when it was still in the car , it definitely needed it heat plugs working in the winter!
The huge existing radiator within the machine meant it hardly ever reached its working temp!
We ran a Citroen Synergie for years with the same 1.9 XUD lump. It had 7 seats, a flat floor, slidy doors, tons of room and did everything without fail. Would easily do over 50mpg on veg oil, loaded with 2 adults, 3 kids, dog, roof box & packed to the gunnels with camping gear. Wished we kept it & sorted out the bodywork as it was part of the family.
I also ran my XU9td on veg oil. Used from a mates burger bar, I simply let the food bits settle in the jug, decanted off the rest, filtered it through a pair of tights, and stuck it in the tank! Bosch injector pump only, lucasCAV were too weak, ran perfectly and smelled of chips 😂
@@6ettinold if I could find a decent 806 or Synergie I would get it tomorrow... Missing mine (cambelt snapped whilst abroad 😭)
Was also running on veg.. 👍👍
Now as a 405 man if this car is to be scrapped would the owner sell it to save others?
I know Dale (the owner) would prefer it to save other 405s rather than be cubed
Back in 2006 I bought a 405 GTX TDi with the xud engine.it was the estate in metallic grey.
Did a few trips to Portugal in it and it never missed a beat and being the top spec it was very comfortable and very quick.
@@grumpytorque8905 get him to get in touch please
@@grumpytorque8905 Hang on, lads - the engine is already spoken for 🤭🤣
@@Mancozeb100numb nuts yeah
We had an M reg 405 GLX TD estate in a peculiar greenish-blue. First decent car we had as a family after a long run of Ford rubbish. It had air con, that worked! Many happy memories of that car, first car I took an interest in. M183 PAJ, you are missed!
Pretty impressive really i think the end of the good diesel was when the dpf come along. I mean some of them arent bad they are just too complicated. The older stuff is far superior.
You are not wrong but even DPF cars can run very good and many miles without trouble if you got a good driving profile. In some ways, DPF cars can be even better because of newer technology construction of the engine and drivetrain in general.
Agreed. Dpfs can be relatively trouble-free assuming that they have frequent good runs and not just town use or 2 mile trips.
@@GoldenCroc oh yeh I agree. I had a 1.6 focus diesel 62 DPf I did over 100k in that car and being a young lad drove it hard. It never had an issue. The problem is when they do have an issue. My current car is a 2.0tdci smax pre DPf and it just works. It doesn't do lots of miles and because no DPf it doesn't matter and it doesn't care. A modern diesel wouldn't appreciate that that's why I believe that was the last of the good diesel that era. I mean the Vw pd absolutely superb engine bullet proof things. The modern stuff just ain't the same.
@@HA05GER Well as I said I mostly agree, but if you got the favorable driving profile, dpf does 300k+ easily as well, and more. And as I alluded to, you can for example get a bit better fuel economy with the newer stuff if that matters. So in some regards its swings and roundabouts. But for ultimate reliability over all, yes the old stuff is better no doubt.
@@GoldenCroc yeh my basis is more on reliability and I'd argue the economy is worse on the modern stuff. My smax will happily do 60mpg and up where as my focus would be in the 50s. It's a bigger car but doesn't have all the emissions stuff. Possibly been mapped which can make a difference but I've never done it but it's superb on fuel. I found the same with sprinters I used to drive them for a living, the older ones were better on fuel than the brand new ones. It's inevitable cars get heaving and with dpfs and so on require extra fuel to maintain these systems. Whether it be by running the engine hotter by injecting more.fuel to maintain the dpf or directly into the exhaust. Then you've got adblue to contend with which is notoriously temperamental even if a modern one is slightly more economical which I don't find them to be, your losing that in maintaining all this crap.
Insanity, I regret selling my Fiat Tipo 1.9TD everyday, it has more than 400.000 km now, luckily a friend of mine has it so I see it regularly, but what an amazing car, old diesel engines are almost immortal.
@@maxeluy there's a Tipo 1.9TD still running around my neck of the woods. Coming off bends, being given some throttle, no smoke, just a little haze. Car looks great and runs well. Love to know it's mileage.
Not all of them! I had a Pajero 2.3turbo diesel, and it died at 25000 miles. The rebuild lasted 250k. It produced a staggering 62kW.
They aren’t immortal when the head gaskets crack (Toyota ones)
A buddy had one of those; petrol, 120 PS, automatic. 7,5 litres on 100 km (31 mpg). Absolutely beautiful and comfortable. I’m German but I prefer French cars… 🚗💨🇫🇷
205 GTI where fantastic
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French "cars“ 🤡🤡🤡
I loved mine, amazing band wagon and loved the veg oil too with it's bosch pump.
You can see why mini-cabbers loved these - and thats the reason you don't see more of them lol. I worked at a place where we used them as reps cars - 3yrs and 100k miles they were moved on and they fetched to dollar. Many of the reps would say it was madness to get rid as double that was well within remit
When Peugeot made real usable cars that one could rely on.
They still do, just don't get it with a 1.2 puretech
My first car was a phase 2 306, my current car is a late CX. Every time I have to drive something German, I want to be in a psa car again. Friends have asked me how 30ish year old cars are that much more comfortable than modern vehicles.
Spot on. 306's and 405's had some of the best seats around. They were so easy to drive too
@@TheBlaert Correct.. when i travel from Spain to Holland, no pain in the ass, its like sitting on the sofa at home, when i go with one of my newer cars, pain in the ass already at the spain / french border, and than still a 1500 km,s to go,,
Also i can sleep comfy in the back with a matress from home.
just in the process of doing a 205 project with the 306 td xud engine so look forward to this
Great stuff. They absolutely fly with the 1.9 TD in them
This glorious old rot box has survived the last 30 years at a average of about 11000 miles per year. It deserves a good send off. I reckon you should get as many UA-cam car nerds as possible to road test it, document everything about the state of the bodywork/mechanicals/interior and the way it drives, before it finally gets scrapped.
Had a GRDT saloon. Comfy.
Someone once asked me why the car said "GROT" on the back.
Had x3 405 Peugeots , a 89 1.6 petrol, a 92 1.9D and a 94 1.9TD those diesel engines were brilliant especially TD (xud9) when PSA knew how to build an engine.
A long, past, and forgotten time when we french made reliable, cheap to maintain, and easy to use cars. And that 405 is in really good health. 92hp given by Peugeot, 90.4 measured. The XUD was a really strong engine.
Had a fleet of these as company cars years ago. Absolutely bulletproof. 250,000 miles trouble free from all 8 of them.
This is the engine that Bella needs 😂
@@jeremytoms5163 who's bella ?
@@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim It's the Hubnut (Ian) Citroen Berlingo. Lots of silly comments about fitting the XUD into it, but with HDi fixed and properly running (likely a set of new or refurb injectors) and it'll be better than the XUD could ever hope to be.
These videos are some of the best on youtube! please keep it coming!
That's probably a bit of a stretch, but thanks! There are more to come.
I had a white saloon with D turbo wheels on as well. Sold it 19 years ago, its amazing they still look, outwardly, almost as good condition all this time on
It would be interesting to see how it does after a bottle of redex, some premium diesel and a full service. I reckon it may do over 95
I doubt it'd make a difference to be honest!
Had a 1.9 SRi 405 for 2 days and I loved it! I'd buy that powertrain in a heartbeat! I would put it into a Saxo :D
I had a 306 1.9TD and it did 60 miles a day for years and apart from a new radiator, it never missed a beat.
We had two 405, a mk1 diesel saloon and a mk2 turbo diesel estate. Bloody loved them especially turbo. Fantastic engine.
I have a 405 sri with the xu9 engine, and it still feels lively. But its only on 127,000 miles
Mate, your an absolute legend doing these vids. Clarkson getting watery eyes. Subscribed! Greetings from QLD Oz
You can’t beat a Peugeot Diesel, I run a 2019 Ford Kuga, and the PSA diesel in that is a bloody good engine.
Think I'd have rounded 90.9bhp up to 91...
From Rennes Brittany, thank you for the Kilometer conversion ! =)
You're from Rennes? You're royalty in these parts!
@@UPnDOWN and i'm not seeing the PSA/Stellantis factory and old citröen cars the same way since i'm watching your videos ^^
A friend had a 306 DT. He tuned the pump and the engine ripped from its mounts and it lunched the cambelt on a chassis leg. Monster.
The 405 estate was the very 1st car i ever drove, at the age of 16 years old. It was a NA diesel, My dad took to his works carpark for a go. It was a great car, i nearly had it as a 1st car if he hadn't get shot, that year, for the peugeot 406 dturbo
A mate of mine had one of those 405 diesel wagons. Absolutely loved it, especially the 1000km plus range. Pity it broke the timing belt and snapped the cam into 3 pieces. Getting the replacement head and cam out to Australia was an expensive exercise. That one in the video is a ripper for the mileage. I hope it lives on in another car.
When I worked at the pub dealers, we sold XU D camshaft to an engineering shop. They made new caps as they also snapped, line bored them, good as new, bet they don't do stuff like that any more, real shame, you could buy rebuilt heads for a fraction of a new one
Straight Outta Ryton....
What a great little car, 30 years old.
What a shame Peugeot management had that famous Top Gear breakfast meeting and decided to stop making great cars.....
405s were fantastic cars!
After a recent sesh with a mate we came to an agreement that the 405 SRi (not the Mi16) is the best car in the world.
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I had a 405 sri 1.9 petrol and I can honestly say, with my hand on my heart that it is the car I most regret getting rid of. I only did around 45k miles in it but they were the most comfortable and reliable miles that I have ever traveled.
I bought it for £170 with a suspected head gasket failure. Turned out to be a tiny tiny pin hole in one of the heater matrix pipes just to one side of a jubilee clamp.
Ahhhhhh, happier days!!
🇬🇧👍😎👍🇬🇧
Those older Peugeots 405 and 406's were great and comfortable machines. They missed a trick not continuing going for comfort over rock hard suspension so many cars have now.
Watching this again makes me happy. It also makes me sad, as I'll never see the likes again. Loved PSA group motors from this period.
In about 2008 I had a ten year old Zx non turbo use to run mine on veg oil or sunflower oil for a bigger bang for my bucks that had over 300k on the clock the emissions were well under the mot standard great engines never missed a beat ❤
The throttle response in modern cars is more of a suggestion and then you have to file a request with your local council for it to return to idle it takes taht long.
I remember going to Cornwall with my family in the Non estate/Straight Diesel 405 in the 90's. God I'd love to drive that trip to Penzance in a 405 just to relive the drive myself.
Ran a P plate 405 Executive Estate with the 1.9TD lump, what a fabulous bit of kit it was to. Economical and very torquey.
I miss my old 405s. I'd love to have a project one. Sadly have nowhere for it to go.
Incredible results. What an engine. Fascinating watch. Typex body filler and a empty chart space for one of Ian's cars. Priceless. 😂
Most comfortable car I ever owned was the 405. Lovely seats
@@recall2880 incredible seats, recall.
Love these kinds of videos
Very interesting, more of this kind of thing please.
BTW I've shared this with over 100 people
I had an H registration. 1.8td, Estate, 370.000 miler.
Bought it for £150 from a car auction, ex.taxi. in 2002.
Refurbed the front suspension and top mounts. New water pump, and that was it.
No rust, sun roof electrics were shot.
Engine never missed a beat, never returned less than 40mpg, even when cruising over a certain speed limit on the motorway to Scotland from Northampton.
Ran it for 2 years and sold it for £250, which I wished I hadn't.
One of the best cars I owned.
Send it over to Al at 6D! I've never driven an old PSA diesel, I bet they are ace
@@tomicarr90 I bet Al would still drive it to FOTU!
My wife has a 406 with this xud9 in it she will not sell until it's absolutely fooked will be many years yet
@@rakeshtak it was at FOTU last year
They're not amazing by most metrics today, but for their time their refinement and flexibility was otherworldly!
dad had one he loved it i love how they look
After I was forced to give up my Escort RS Turbo before it fell to bits, I was gifted one of these (sport trim) as a company car. It was so good with the aircon on that if you were heading up a dual carriageway, let's call it the A69, you had to plan your manoeuvre in advance to pass a truck, because if the aircon kicked in at the wrong moment you were hosed. It got nicked from outside the house one night, and I only noticed because I ran for the bus to town through the gap where I'd parked it. My replacement for that was a normally aspirated 405. Cursed.
My father opened up the engine of a 2.1 diesel citroen xm, with
1180 000 km.
the cranck and conecting rods were beefy, the main bearings looked really good, the cylinders looked like new, no wear.
My father had previous replaced the hydralic lifters at 650 000 km. The turbo was also replaced once.
I wish I could like twice, thanks for doing what many of us would love to do at the weekend ;D
Peugeot diesels were the best then, I had a little 205 STDT and it was such fun in the wet, later 2.2 diesel 406, no wonder they were used for taxis.
I had an 1.9 TD Xsara (300 000 km) as my first car. She never let me down, would always start right up, had all the torque you'd need. I have since then swapped to a Xsara VTS with the glorious 2.0 RFS engine as my summer car but some days I miss the simple carefree 1.9 TD.
My 406 1.9 dt had 360000 miles when I sold it. It was probably the best car I ever owned. I used to cruise it at over 100mph on the continent. Handled great too. All I did was routine maintenance.
Great! I had one of these 405 estate cars in London in the 90s it was awesome! Drove every day dragging my heavy tools around and the only time the engine quit was when I accidentally knocked my knee of the ignition key. Great engine, great car with super comfortable seats that I have not felt since
Wonderful
Love the banter/teasing of HubNut.
05:16 2hp loss after half a million miles is Insane.
Many car manufacturers were at the top of their game in the seventies through nineties, whether it's Toyota, Mazda, Honda, M-B, VW, PSA,... Cars that could run forever if you took care of them. They put the quality of their product above profit and now it's the other way around.
Love these old diesels and I think as many of them should be saved as possible. That way they will outlive us.
I run a 3.0TDI A6. Owned it since new from 2006. It’s at 94,000 miles now and not even close to half way through its life. No rust and still runs and drives like the day it was new. I will keep driving it until it won’t move forward under its own power. Hopefully still decades away. Best car I’ve ever owned and spent less than £2k on parts for it in almost 18 years….excluding tyres and brakes. Electric vehicles have a long way to go to make them as good as these cars and personally I don’t think I they’ll ever get there.
I have just spent most of this video screaming in my head "what pump does it have?" Lol.
Bosch pump. Not surprised as I had one on my 96 306 Dturbo. They're considered superior to the Lucas pump if you want to tune them. I miss the clatter of these engines. I currently have a 2007 Mondeo 2.0 TDCi which is another pug lump. 230k and the engine still goes really well, on the original clutch, DPF, and it has been tuned in my ownership.
I am a cabbie and have been for almost 30 years. back in 1990, my parents started a cab firm and we ran a fleet of Peugeot 405's. All in all, they were good cars that usually lasted about 250-300k but the autos were crap and the bodies were very light and prone to denting. The best car of that generation for tanking miles was in my opinion the cavalier 1.7 ls td. That isuzu lump just never gave up! nowadays I run superbs and my last 2 made 420 000 miles (killed off in a crash and 348700, (cambelt taken out by an aux belt failure. ) I laugh when people tell me that their cars worn out at 100k... barely run in...
What is the recommend engine in those Superbs?
@@1maico1 Diesel all the way, the 1.6 is where you go if you want the best mpg--70+ on a long haul while the 2litre is almost as good but gives you plenty of oomph when you want it. I have had both and both were excellent reliable engines. They really dont seem to have any major problems beyond the usual DPF and EGR aggro.
Had a 205XAD 1.8 diesel. Most reliable car ever.
Just came across your channel something different to watch and very interesting. Not the usual car stuff
Thanks, appreciate that
Shame to scrap it. Probably needs lots of blasting and welding but what a great car.
I agree it deserves to be saved, maybe someone will?! If I didn’t ha ve my Espace id be tempted!
In Germany the body and paintshops take 375 Euros per hour wage....nobody can afford body repair here since corona
Its pretty impressive how over time (~15 years or so) we now have 1.5/1.6 diesels making over 100hp standard and often exceed the economy of the old 90's 1.9/2.0L motors
They dont last as long though, thats for sure
She does have a gorgeous power curve 😅
Back in the early 90's i bought a 405 with nearly 400k. it was an ex taxi and i ran it for another 2 years never had any problems.
Brilliant on fuel.
Had two of these back in in the day, awesome cars. The last one had been remapped and was surprisingly quick. Was on 155k when I sold it, just nicely run it. So much better than the 406 that I replaced it with...Great video, thanks!
Didn’t think you could remap the old mechanical diesels like this, not like the HDi in a 406.
You'd have a job remapping a 405 diesel (without an ECU) ;-)
the good old XUD9, fresh oil every 6k and they run forever.
Hi, you quoted the current HP figure being 2hp down on the claimed factory standard output.
When the car was certified, the manufacturer was allowed to use very cold chilled air and also to remove the PAS pump/ ABS pumps / alternators / vacuum pumps on dyno runs.
The EU stopped most of that nonsense.
You do not know if that sample was producing the claimed figure when new.
In summary, a massive mileage engine that still produces superb power.
Brilliant video, thank you.
Appreciate the comment, but I don't agree. The original figures used DIN correction factors, the same as this. In cold climates the engines may well produce more than 100bhp; in the Sahara...less than 85bhp? The correction factor was specifically brought in to mitigate these differences, including the variation in WHP losses between manual/auto transmissions; air pressure; air temperature; ancillaries etc.
SAE figures may well be closer to what you're suggesting as they were engine-only, but DIN was a Euro-centric standard that all manufacturers who sold cars in the EU (and many outside it) adhered to, and it was designed to set a universal standard from which all situations would suit all cars.
I really enjoyed watching this... Yes it makes a change from seeing the usual GTR EVO'S SUBARU etc on the rolling roads.. Bless that legend of a 405 ❤
I'm a 405 fanatic. I've owned 8 of them over the years and still have a Phase 1 Mi16.
Out of them all the Turbo D's were the ones that gave me most problems and that was due to porosity in the heads. Of the three Turbo D's I owned two of them were very close to each other in chassis numbers, and sure enough both had porous heads. The 3rd one was fine and it racked up massive miles with no issues.
There was a story that a huge amount of 1995 cars (like mine) had porous heads
Love those xud engines, learned to drive in a xantia with one in. I then had a xsara Picasso with the 2.0 hdi! My fave car ever. It was so reliable and comfortable. I got the clock to 250,000 miles and it was still on the original HP pump, injectors, head gasket, turbo and clutch. Few cambelts, water pumps and oil and filter changes and she just kept on going!
The pump is a Bosch
The desing of this car is... i cant explain maybe because its rare now and sort of nostalgic era, but ive seen one recently and the c pillar and trunk on sedan version looks really good
Had a 405 on G plate in 1989. Absolutely f'in loved it ! It was my first new car. Then had a 406 saloon, then a 406 coupe, then a 407 saloon and then a 407 coupe. All because of that 405 back in 1989. Lovely 👍
i think that's the least amount of black smoke I've ever seen come out the back of a xud turbo unless the camera doesn't pick it all up.
my first car was 96' Xantia SW 1.9TD with 91HP , but it exploded 2 engines (2 times exploded rod on n1 cylinder) . The 95's where know to be bullet proof and run forever , and seems that the 97's were modified and dont explode anymore
I had an '89 405 Estate but with the 1.9 petrol engine, it had covered 380,000 miles, still on the original clutch, when I traded it in against a '97 406 TD Estate. It was a bit fumey if you got stuck in traffic but still very nice to drive and everything still worked. The 406 went on to do 265,000 and apart from regular servicing and consumables it never cost me a penny, I needed a van so it had to go, it looked and drove like a 60,000 car! The two best cars I ever owned, I'd love a clean low mileage 406 estate again.
You said quarter of a million miles when you meant half a million, (500.000mi) for the other motor on 88hp. That's bloody amazing.
This test is very interesting. Thanks from France !
You are welcome! You'll possibly also enjoy the next Peugeot test, coming soon...
Always liked the 405 diesel but never owned one, shame that one is so rotten now but hope to see the engine live on
All the 'drove it at 70mph, got 60/70/90/1,000 mpg' comments make me chuckle.
Had two cars with these engines in, high 30s in a xantia estate with a wound in pump and mid to low 40s in a 406 with just a birthday setup.
They would do better on fuel but then again you'd have to drive so slowly to get it.
Heading for scrap. That's got one more letter than your usual...
One of the Taxis my Dad used to drive was one of these and it was also on over 300k miles.
I brought a new Peugeot 306 XRDT 1.9DT in 1994 and it blew a head gasket at just under 400K kilometres which really disappointed me because it was a fantastic car and it had great motor. It was still returning 5.3l/100km or 53.3 MPG. I'm not sure new cars do that. Great video - thanks.
I had a 1997 Renault Laguna 2,2 diesel, driven 575 000 km, had nothing wrong drivetrain wise, but rot had eaten it underneath beyond welding. Had to let it go, unfortunately. It was a solid car, like they still were 25 yrs ago.
So these cars were quoted at 92 PS which is 90.3 bhp so your car appears to be 0.6 mph UP on original book power! Amazing !!!
Old turbo diesels never die if you service them regularly. They’re wildly under stressed engines.
I have a 2022 Citroën Spacetourer van hdi with just over 180bhp and i must say the thing really really shifts!!! I also have a 1989 Peugeot 405 1.9 sri which I have owned from new and is in showroom condition and has only 22,000 miles on the clock from new. I hardly ever drove it as iv always had vans so have used those instead...
so try to adjust the pump and show us the gain 😀
Those old XUDs were brilliant, especially the early non Lucas Bosch pumped ones. I once drove through a flood (had a high mounted airfilter) and filled the bores with water. Glow plugs removed Pushed it down a hill, bump start and off she went. Miss the simplicity but not the smoke
I just bought one too! could use some bits off yours, including the wheels...
Yes the Xud engines were probably the finest " mechanically fuelled" small diesels at that time, actually pleasant to drive and relatively powerful rather than the horrendous underpowered agricultural digger diesel engine options from Ford & Vauxhall, i believe Ricardo engineering played a big part in the original design.
keep doing those silly stuffs !!! I came for this