Sorry to be such a nitpick but Les Mis was about the June 1832 insurrection. Although it's true that the original book talks a fair bit about the revolutions of 1848... but mostly it's just Hugo making excuses for why he fought against the insurrection and avoiding the fact that it was people like him who allowed the Second Republic to be taken over by Napoleon III a few years later so it's his own bloody fault that he ended up in exile. But yeah, he did get more radical the older he got and Les Mis is a very socialist book, no matter how much people like Ayn Rand aggressively misunderstand it. And way too many people watch the musical without getting the point at all and they think it's all in the past when most of the shit that Hugo talks about is still painfully relevant. Poverty, inequality, the entire criminal "justice" system, police violence, exploitation, none of that is gone. But people watch the musical and go home pleased with the idea that it's all just historical drama with catchy songs.
I think capital is essentially 'greed' we are not inherently...anything, but we can/are pushed down the path of greed/capital. There will always be a hierarchy in work or any discipline which is not inherently a bad consequence. Its pretty clear to me the possible engineerd or deliberate gulf in foundational teaching in any subject or trade is our greatest ill and will forever keep the wealth of all nations concentrated in the hands of very few.
This alleged beer & crisps dialectic by Steele is contradictory and a betrayal of the working class struggle! The correct relationship is potatoes + salt ==> beer (ignoring packaging and labor, for simplicity)
i really like mark steele, but this is pretty basic/selective in facts. One example, Marx wrote frequently in the New York daily tribune from 1852-1861. You'd think that'd be worth mentioning when citing how he earned a living. His articles for the NY tribune were highly respected, and were re-printed in numerous other papers and journals.
Marx should just have admitted he was an anarchist instead of trying to invent a new movement ... just saying might have stopped those pesky dictatorship misunderstandings .
The entire extent of this video I couldn't stop laughing. not because you tried in some ways to make it comical here and there but rather because the speakers hair cut was so ridiculously outdated and funny that thats all I could focus on. I apologize to those with that very same haircut and if you don't mind the giggles every now and then, then thats very thick skinned of you. I hope that others shared my view on this comical aspect as well.
This programme is littered with factual errors and omissions. He claims the "idea of England or Britain is a very recent concept" (4:35) when Aristotle wrote about the British Isles in the 4th Century AD and England as a state has existed since the 10th century, hardly "modern" in any sense of the word. At 9:10 he says "In Capitalist societies the rulers are the people who go up and down in those lifts". That is Lloyds of London, the centre of the world's insurance market, why he thinks people who cover shipping insurance run the world is anyone's guess. At 13 mins he claims there were "very few" factories outside Britain in 1843, in fact there were many in Belgium, France and Germany as well as the USA - Marx was reporting what was happening, he wasn't a visionary. And finally of course Marxist societies become totalitarian because that's the only way they can exist. You cannot seize the means of production without violence, nor can you get people to do dirty jobs or relocate to remote locations to mine minerals unless you use the price mechanism or a gun. How anyone can claim Marxism "taps the ingenuity and spirit of humanity" having seen the soul crushing inhumanity of the reality of Marxism beats me
The capitalist class in capitalism uses violence to control the means of production also. It was true in the 19th century when people striking for a 40 hour work week were gunned down in the street, and it's true today where that violence is exported to the third world.
@@JarvidO Remind me again how many people were killed by Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro and other Marxist states, and why people risked their lives to escape to capitalist systems.
@@richardevans560 You seem to think violent repression is unique to "Marxist societies," which it isn't. Violence is endemic to any power structure. This whole conversation is only possible because of supply chain that's built on third world slavery. A lot of deaths in the "100 million deaths from communism" propoganda that the CIA puts out are starvation. Communism today is seen as defeated, and under global capitalism 3 million children starve to death every year, but nobody is keeping score of a "death's by capitalism"
@@JarvidO You seem to not want to answer simple questions, always the sign of an idealogue who can't handle the truth. How many died of starvation in the Ukraine and China? How many are dying in Venezuela now? Do you even care? I doubt it.
@@richardevans560 Venezuela is a situation where sanctions and international intervention are causing shortages. You could really chalk all those deaths up to capitalism and western imperialism
Decent Scottish accents for a change lol! Brilliant as usual from Mr Steel.
wiz it fuck ... but still brilliant i agree.
Love Mark Steel. He is very funny. I will watch some more of his videos on here.
Sorry to be such a nitpick but Les Mis was about the June 1832 insurrection. Although it's true that the original book talks a fair bit about the revolutions of 1848... but mostly it's just Hugo making excuses for why he fought against the insurrection and avoiding the fact that it was people like him who allowed the Second Republic to be taken over by Napoleon III a few years later so it's his own bloody fault that he ended up in exile.
But yeah, he did get more radical the older he got and Les Mis is a very socialist book, no matter how much people like Ayn Rand aggressively misunderstand it. And way too many people watch the musical without getting the point at all and they think it's all in the past when most of the shit that Hugo talks about is still painfully relevant. Poverty, inequality, the entire criminal "justice" system, police violence, exploitation, none of that is gone. But people watch the musical and go home pleased with the idea that it's all just historical drama with catchy songs.
But it's all got far worse in the last decade or two.
@@luciatilyard2827 nope...it is the exposure that has gotten worse.
Yes yes yes but, when did he team up with Spencer?
I live around the corner from Marx's house in Trier (which isn't pronounced "tree-air") and it's VERY popular with Chinese tourists.
That's because the only tourists the Chinese let out of China are senior members of the communist party regime and their families.
I think capital is essentially 'greed' we are not inherently...anything, but we can/are pushed down the path of greed/capital. There will always be a hierarchy in work or any discipline which is not inherently a bad consequence. Its pretty clear to me the possible engineerd or deliberate gulf in foundational teaching in any subject or trade is our greatest ill and will forever keep the wealth of all nations concentrated in the hands of very few.
this is the business my friends
What is the business and who are your friends? :-)
Christ, that Stephen Milligan joke was a bit near the knuckle. Enjoyed that though, love Mark Steel's work.
*I WONDER IF IN 2003* Mark had any idea the hideous hellscape the UK would be in 2022...???
Fabulous 😊
Beer+ crisps= salt of course
This alleged beer & crisps dialectic by Steele is contradictory and a betrayal of the working class struggle!
The correct relationship is potatoes + salt ==> beer (ignoring packaging and labor, for simplicity)
Hello Mrs.Pasko's class.
+Louie Lapat :( I did not realise this was half an hour long.
i really like mark steele, but this is pretty basic/selective in facts. One example, Marx wrote frequently in the New York daily tribune from 1852-1861. You'd think that'd be worth mentioning when citing how he earned a living. His articles for the NY tribune were highly respected, and were re-printed in numerous other papers and journals.
Produced for the BBC
Yeah - thats how editing works, you have a limited amount of time and words and you have to cut a lot.
There's only so much you can fit in 30 minutes
@@NymphZoic68 your point?
That opening line is all I need to explain Communism.. lol.
K Russell ,you should donate your mind to science...........if they can find something narrow enough to store it.
The perception of England by the English is at least one thousand years old, pre-Norman invasion
Marx should just have admitted he was an anarchist instead of trying to invent a new movement ... just saying might have stopped those pesky dictatorship misunderstandings .
this was dank
+Mohammed Mayike why watch then '
+19331937100 fight me
Does 'dank' mean good?
..........what..... ..whaaaaaaaaat
@1.16. You dont still believe in the Bible do you? It was written over 2000 years ago and is out of date......
i've come here from richard herring , anyone else
Marx and Engels, the most exploitive bromance ever.
You can't blame them for revolutionary cells intent on vanguardism.
POV: RS homework
Lmao
@@kingprawn9892 Lmao
The entire extent of this video I couldn't stop laughing. not because you tried in some ways to make it comical here and there but rather because the speakers hair cut was so ridiculously outdated and funny that thats all I could focus on. I apologize to those with that very same haircut and if you don't mind the giggles every now and then, then thats very thick skinned of you. I hope that others shared my view on this comical aspect as well.
This programme is littered with factual errors and omissions. He claims the "idea of England or Britain is a very recent concept" (4:35) when Aristotle wrote about the British Isles in the 4th Century AD and England as a state has existed since the 10th century, hardly "modern" in any sense of the word. At 9:10 he says "In Capitalist societies the rulers are the people who go up and down in those lifts". That is Lloyds of London, the centre of the world's insurance market, why he thinks people who cover shipping insurance run the world is anyone's guess.
At 13 mins he claims there were "very few" factories outside Britain in 1843, in fact there were many in Belgium, France and Germany as well as the USA - Marx was reporting what was happening, he wasn't a visionary.
And finally of course Marxist societies become totalitarian because that's the only way they can exist. You cannot seize the means of production without violence, nor can you get people to do dirty jobs or relocate to remote locations to mine minerals unless you use the price mechanism or a gun. How anyone can claim Marxism "taps the ingenuity and spirit of humanity" having seen the soul crushing inhumanity of the reality of Marxism beats me
The capitalist class in capitalism uses violence to control the means of production also. It was true in the 19th century when people striking for a 40 hour work week were gunned down in the street, and it's true today where that violence is exported to the third world.
@@JarvidO Remind me again how many people were killed by Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro and other Marxist states, and why people risked their lives to escape to capitalist systems.
@@richardevans560 You seem to think violent repression is unique to "Marxist societies," which it isn't. Violence is endemic to any power structure. This whole conversation is only possible because of supply chain that's built on third world slavery.
A lot of deaths in the "100 million deaths from communism" propoganda that the CIA puts out are starvation. Communism today is seen as defeated, and under global capitalism 3 million children starve to death every year, but nobody is keeping score of a "death's by capitalism"
@@JarvidO You seem to not want to answer simple questions, always the sign of an idealogue who can't handle the truth. How many died of starvation in the Ukraine and China? How many are dying in Venezuela now? Do you even care? I doubt it.
@@richardevans560 Venezuela is a situation where sanctions and international intervention are causing shortages. You could really chalk all those deaths up to capitalism and western imperialism