Network Address Translation - Computerphile
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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This video was filmed and edited by Sean Riley.
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Sooo, this 10 minute discussion of NAT made way more sense then the 1 week discussion of the same topic in my networks course at my university. I'm not sure how I feel about that
To put it a little simpler, imagine your house with 10 devices on the internet (laptops, desktops, game consoles, etc). Those don't have their own external IP address (the one on the internet). You only have 1 for your modem/router, and your router then forwards a packet to each device based on the port # and internal IP address.
This is why you need to set up port forwarding if you've ever played an online game, so that when a packet hits your router on a certain port, it knows which computer to send it to
If you want a computer inside your network to accept connections, it must be configured in NAT. This is called “port forwarding” and it instructs NAT that if it gets a connection to (say) port 80, it should direct it to (say) 10.0.0.1:80 in the private network. If there is no such configuration, incoming connections will be dropped. If incoming packet is part of already established connection, NAT just looks at destination port and maintains a state mapping it to ip:port in local network.
what he explained was overloading, or PAT(port address translation). But it was still a very nice explanation of PAT. just clarifying.
University of Notingham is awesome. you guys have conversant professors! I also love Nottingham for the fact that Robbin lived there!! Regards from Sri Lanka.
Im starting a degree in Computer Science in a couple of weeks and these videos are getting me really excited for my course - brilliant videos, every single one :)
thankyou for uploading more of this guy. he explains things so clearly (as do all the others). going to rewatch them all soon. keep up the awesomeness.
You guys are my heroes, me who has no computer science background but I am learning how to develop softwares by myself. These videos are extremely helpful. God bless you all
I would appreciate subtitles. He's talking quite quietly and quickly about complex things.
My opinion on what MUST appear on this channel is what actually is an algorithm. We had lesson about sorting algorithms, but not on algorithms in general.
it's also compensated by that mesmerizing animated avatar you have there.
nice, keep up the good work computerphile
UDP doesn't need any special trickery to be address translated. The PAT process isn't looking for sessions, it's looking at source and destination port pairs. Since UDP packets still have a source and destination port, they're translated without issue. Incoming port forwarding is the same.
i had a lot of trouble with my XBOX because my NAT type was closed. and port forwarding didn't work. after i seen this video i suddenly solft it :o thank you!
It is for the same reason that many industries and companies still use XP and haven't moved to Win7, which is because it simply works. Moving to IPv6 would require a huge amount of work an cooperation across the globe, and you can't guarantee that each computer/server/mainframe/workstation is compatible with IPv6.
What tools did you use for creating this animation? Amazing!
A lot of counties are already using IPv6, though the US has a lot more IPv4 adresses than the rest of us so they keep using it. There's still some things to work out with IPv6 and there's still a lot of companies running old hardware that doesn't have IPv6 enabled which messes things up.
Going from IPv4 to IPv6 is a big step and you pretty much need everyone to be able to take it at the same time.
this is great, the cissp textbook only explains how ip addresses are translated but never mentioned port number translation.
Brady, it would be helpful to have a video focused on NAT or IPv6, or port-forwarding. I've been trying to solve a networking problem: connecting from a remote unix machine (a laptop--meaning I could be anywhere) to a database engine (SQL server) residing on my home network. I've learned more about networking than I ever wanted to know--just in tinkering to get to my database! But now I'm intrigued...
Portforward in a nutshell:
Behind your router you have computer A, B, C, D, and E.
All 5 of those computers are behind one single public IP address.
When a computer somewhere else on the internet connects to your IP, it doesn't know which of your 5 computers to connect to. Portforward makes your router say "If it's this type of request, send it to computer B, if it's that type of request, send it to computer D"
IPv5 wasn't skipped it was given to the Internet Stream Protocol sometime in the late 70's which never saw widespread adoption. So when a new Internet Protocol was being designed it was assigned the next version number - IPv6
The first time I ran into a NAT problem I was trying to host a Warcraft 3 map online. Port forwardings at my router didn't work, I had to use something called "port triggering".
for most home routers the ip is 192.168.1.254, some of you guys at home type that into your address bar and press enter you will be directed to your home router
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Because Sean likes people asking that on every video.
that requires pretty much an entirely new backbone at every part of the network. ipv6 servers, ipv6 isps, ipv6 routers in people's homes even. old OSes aren't able to make sense of ipv6 either, so it really is a complete overhaul
boenrobot is absolutely correct. They'd be using either 192.168.x.x, 172.16.x.x, or 10.x.x.x
or there are also ways to reuse the same IP in multiple network segments, but if that is done knowing routing information (especially the router interface used) becomes important
IPv6 is superior to v4 in almost every way. The transition will occur naturally as older devices are replaced and it becomes more cost effective to implement IPv6 and cover any gaps with dual stacks.
i already knew this, but i still love someone describing (roughly) how routers work and the fact that routers exist further than just at your house. unless you have a backbone instrument you are behind a router. i'm happy to be subscribed here. this video also explains the need for ipv6, because ipv6 would remove the need for allot of those backbone devices to act as routers, increasing available bandwidth due to less processing.
Those terms are somewhat ambiguous, and different games will have different meaning for them. Generally with open NAT the game is able to request your router to forward an incoming port to the game, you effectively become a server. Strict means it was unable to do so. Moderate may mean it was able to "punch through" your firewall using a variety of tricks (UDP, not TCP), but such solutions may be sub-optimal or flakey.
Better than most my professors and lecturers
There are now also ISPs that use IPv4 NAT instead of upgrading to IPv6, so it could happen that your "external" address of your router is in fact an IP address in a private range. This can severely impact some software, for example games or remote desktop solutions. A colleague of mine had the problem with Teamviewer on one of the German cable networks.
See 802.3 ethernet frame structure. Both source and destination MAC are packaged near the start of the frame.
I guess the assumption is that the outbound connection happens first and that allows NAT to assign a unique IP:port combination to this specific request and then store it in a table along with the original IP:port pair.
When I was an IT technician, I used to use 10.100.0.0/16 as my live network and 172.16.0.0/16 as my "something is wrong" troubleshooting addresses. If a trace-route revealed a 172.16.x.x address, then I knew that one of the connections was bad, and with a little cleverness, I could almost always figure out which one it was on the first try. I liked NAT, and was sad when the network finally went to ipv6.
First of all, 65536. Second of all, you need to remove some edge cases like 128.243.0.0 or 128.243.255.255 so it's actually a bit less then that. But third of all, the way you design network is by dividing it into sub-networks. So for instance, department of Mathematics may get 128.243.0-15.*, department of Computer Science may get 128.243.32-63.*, and so on. In those cases, some departments may run out of addresses even though there are addresses available in different sub-networks.
can you please amplify the voice data? hardly able to hear.
We have IPv6 (v5 was skipped?) which allows for as MUCH larger pool of addresses. Many modern OSes and routers support it, but numerous older ones do not and some ISPs appear to be slow in implementing it.
How about raising the level on computerphile? i guess numberphile and the other channels have pretty clever and complex questions when this is beginner stuff.
MAC addresses are not sent over the internet.
The source and destinaion MAC address inside a packet is changed whenever the packet passes a networking device. This way the devices have an idea on how the packet can return to it's destination, only the source and destantion IP addresses stay the same throughout the entire "journey". So the MAC of your PC can never be used to locate you, it is simply never transmitted.
It works, but not for all protocols, for example, FTP uses two connections - one for control and one for data, the server sends its IP/port over the control connection and the client connects to it (passive mode). Now the FTP server software has to be modified to figure its external IP first. Some routers can rewrite te IP in the packet, but not for all protocols (and not for encrypted connections).
However, NAT has other uses than just to save some IP addresses.
it also gets remapped, but it is a bit more problematic given it is connectionless. UDP-based protocols then have to often go through a bit of extra hassle to figure out the correct port-numbers and similar, but it works...
its really nice for this to be explained to be !
Because it's not Nubmerphile. It's Computerphile, they use old perforated printer paper, which is appropriate.
Ah okay, thank you, that makes it a little clearer.
I thought it was "if information comes through this port, skip the router and send it directly to computer a/b/c"
Even when im the only pc on a network i've had to set up portforwarding though. :)
nope, it just did many years ago, and if you haven´t changed yours since then, you can still have GIFs as avatar
I get the outgoing translation, but how does the incoming translation process work? I don't get how the hub knows to which local IP to send the data to if there's no indication where it is coming from. Especially since you're limited to the amount of ports.
You should've explained Class A/B/C Networks for that matter, but I haven't watched all the video yet, so you might have, but I haven't watched it yet.
That privacy benefit sounds a bit weird, aren't there things like tor for that?
Computerphile uses this kind of paper instead of the regular numberphile brown paper so as to differentiate itself
So how does NAT come into play when you're playing games online and it tells you that you have either strict, moderate or open NAT?
because the NAT makes it hard to discover a private address does this add a layer of security?
There will always be a source and destination IP and Port, and generally the connection wont be initiated from the public space.
I know that he meant that? It would still take a while to wright them all and then sync them, I have done it once, and just syncing them took like an hour or something, it's really time consuming. Also, if everyone can upload subs, there would be a lot of stupid onces. Maybe brady can have the ability to make subs and sent them to him, then he can see if they are good and add them.
There are a lot of backbone switches controlled by ISPs and second tier providers that are incredibly expensive and do not support IPv6. The transition will take a long time.
so we basically need to make IPV5 so that we will have several times the capacity, we just need to make the move, we have to upgrade computers soon enough anyways because the internal clocks are counting down
while IPv6 is probably the eventual solution, I have wondered sometimes if an IP-suffix system could have also worked (as a compromise). basically, packets would daisy-chain 2 IP headers, with the first having the global IP and the second a local IP. ex:
243.119.24.31-10.0.169.173:6942.
this would then effectively give a 64-bit address space, while still being routable over IPv4. then things are fudged in the network stacks to make it all work...
also, sort of like an inverted VPN...
Thanks for your videos
When will you talk about CARP?
good question, i have no idea. Maybe it never made it off the drawing board?
Something he did not explain very well is that the relabeling is only done in the Source port when the packet is going out and that when it packet arrives back, that "fake relabled port" is now on the destination port. The reason being google (for instance) still needs to know that the packet is going to port 80, receiving "18" would not work as the packet would be rejected.
It might be just me, but i would love to see a video about port forwarding, having had to do it for several different games/programs, i still don't understand what it does exactly.
So next up is port forwarding?
Every single computer in the world needs upgrading by 2038. Computers need to all be 64bit by then, because of the way time works. The upgrades will come.
Great video!
The website I maintain at work has had visits from a 10.*.*.* address - I contacted the hosting provider of our server and they say the connection didn't come from their network - so this private IP address must have been used on the public internet, and I was unable to track down where it came from. I assume this must be because of NAT? It's really a problem when tracking down suspicious behaviour.
Great video as always. But, boost up the volume a bit, hardly able to hear.
No, it's not Brady filming these.
Yeah, they'd have to send out new hardware to their customers which would be expensive (and if you're an ISP that lets customers use their own hardware what do you do then?). I also suspect since "The Internet" works at the moment, getting the millions of non-technical users to even understand the problem is a big challenge.
It'd be like when BT re-numbered the UK phone system... but for the entire planet.
Do I need a router in my house if I only have one device using the internet connection?
because they use old line printer paper
NAT and PAT are OK until you have more than one machine behind the NAT router that is trying to open the same port to the outside world.
What effect does the NAT type have, Type 2 for example, or Strict, moderate and open.
It is computerphile.
They are using line printer paper.
Suppose my ISP is doing NAT because it's run out of its allocation of IP addresses for the number of customers it has... what IP addresses is it going to give out to new customers? It can't give out 192.168.x.x or other private ones because that'd confuse the NAT in everyone's router, but that means it needs to give out public IP addresses... but they're all gone...
no, you can get a direct modem, though they are rare these days.
...Because this isn't numberphile. They've been using the paper they used in this video since the beginning.
this guy gave me a lecture at the Uni
thanks sir that was so clear
The router still assumes that there are multiple computers, cause normally you wouldn't use a router for just one connection. (Also if you have a cell phone, game console, or any other internet-enabled device, it's going through your router too)
So, that problem at the end is solved by port mapping on my router, right?
Was Brady a bit sick during the time of this video??
@10:03 public address AND port number
Because it's Computerphile not Numberphile. Here they use the old Printer-Paper.
With the arrival of IP6, (and lets laugh at the thought that the world all moves over to it eventually), would this be the end of NAT/PAT's needed?
Is there an advantage/disadvantage to each home PC having a unique IP address and not a private internal one?
I as this as a Small Company / Home user point of view.
but where do they connect to the internet?
how do i switch my strict nat type to open?... my ps4 says that my router has a nat type of 2 but when i go to play games it says my ant type is strict and i cant connect to my friends.. i dont get it...
Can you do a video on network DMZ's?
thanks
Yes. allow all firewall rules below.
attacker -- internet -- router -- computer
attacker could connect to and exploit any service listening on the interface connected to the router.
attacker -- internet -- NAT -- computer
attacker need user to run exploit of some kind for attacking the computer behind NAT.
If you know a way (not theoretical) that would penetrate NAT where modern operating systems are being used, please enlighten me.
Nice.
May be true, not sure. I know for sure that your PC sends the MAC but I don't know 'bout the Router.
Holy shit, that account is old.
you can have gifs as your avatar?
But, this will only hold out for so long. IPv6 has many benefits over IPv4, besides more addresses.
I doubt they would use those addresses for the internal private network.... there's no need to.
NAT sounds more complicated than introducing IPv6 to me. Doesn't global use of NAT also require changes in the software of lots of devices (like what in this video is called the gateway of a home or university campus network), just like introducing IPv6 would?
***** not an expert here, but I would assume that implementing NAT is easy, it's just a mapping table on a router which keeps track of the traffic, and modifies the ports. Could be introduced as an automatic update to router firmware, and that's it. That's all you have to do, update one router and you cover whole network. Ipv6 on the other hand - every device needs to be updated in the network, which clearly, will take quite a lot of time. That's the difference, NAT is transparent, while ipv6 is not.
That makes sense, thanks for the explanation!
I imagine this video to be really hard to understand for someone without a fair amount of knowledge about TCP/IP.
OMG IT ALL MAKES SENSE
I take a break from work to... go back to work. :-) Do you mind if I throw in some questions frame tunnelling? I'm a bit stuck on VXLAN at the moment. :-)