These rules are still part of the governments plan to reduce the number of both permanent and temporary resident in the upcoming years. Whether it will bring back the integrity of Express entry or not let’s not forget that the main goal here is to reduce population as this cost to much for Canadians and Permanent Residents or let us say for the whole country.
For a senior manager such as a CEO, CFO, or CTO, their age is usually over 40. If the LMIA bonus points of 200 are removed from PR applications, they can hardly compete with even a greenhorn graduate, as their age points are 100 points lower than those of juniors under 30. Is this fair in reflecting experience and adaptation ability to the Canadian job market? Without experienced senior professionals joining the domestic industry, it would be hard to revitalize the local economy.
I think you made a valid point. 1. Applicants in managerial positions generally have more work experience and as such are typically older. The Express Entry is very unkind to applicants over 30, quite nasty to applicants over 40 and outright disgusting to applicants over 45. 2. Applicants in managerial and upper management positions usually have particular skills, experience and knowledge that propels the business or company forward. Meaning, they generate more revenue, pay more taxes and improve business operations. In economic terms, these people are a net benefit to the Canadian economy. As such, we should attract and incentivize these people to stay in Canada. 3. I would be in support of an exemption for these types of workers.
@@TienTran-oh8dn I've applied with LMIA but I'm not a manager (so it's 50 points only), I'm an expert in one of IT disciplines. I earn six digits, I brought two kids with me and while I'm almost 40, I'm in the waiting list for 6 months already. If I don't have PR in the next 6 months, I'm leaving. With all that crap in the economy and politics, I just don't see why should I stay if I'm no longer welcomed.
@@eugeneo1589 I completely agree and empathize with your situation. It just sucks that Canadian immigration does not have a way to retain foreigners like you. You are an economic benefit to this country. You are on the higher tax bracket and thus pay more in taxes in comparison to the average Canadian. The LMIA reflects the importance of your skillsets to the business that hires you. I think Canada should create an immigration program to specifically retain high skill and high wage foreigners like yourself. I do wish you and your family all the best in your future endeavours!
Nobody talked about banking system nor making content of this, if 4.9million of temporary resident will leave, Let’s just say each of them have a 1k on their saving x 4.9million thats equals to 4.9billion, are banks ready for that? market will be affected for sure CAD value will go down. And for sure their savings is more than just 1k.
I don't think there will be a drastic impact to the Canadian economy. Canada's overall GDP for 2023 is 2.14 trillion USD. Taking 4.9 billion dollars out of the economy will have a noticeable impact but not something that will drastically collapse the economy. Also, you have to remember that there will not be a drastic reduction of temporary residents by 4.9 million people before the end of 2024 for the following reasons: 1. Some of the 4.9 million temporary residents will find other ways to extend their status or change their status (for instance, international student applies for a PGWP). 2. There are temporary residents in Canada with expiring statuses that go beyond the end of this year. 3. There are incoming temporary residents for future years to come. So, new temporary residents will replace the ones that leave Canada. 4. Some people will lose their status and decide to stay in the country illegally. 5. Some of the temporary residents will be selected for permanent residency.
I am not sure why it would be harder. People in unique fields can still get an LMIA and still make a difference. So, in essence, they won't be disappearing. The only real difference is that they won't get the additional points with an LMIA in the Express Entry program. Hopefully that makes sense.
@@TripleHearts-hj4fq I know this is a rhetorical answer. The whole point is not to give additional points because that incentivizes fraud. LMIA should only be reserved for businesses that are actually looking to hire foreign workers.
I only have 7 months left on my work permit. LMIA points were a good final option if all else failed. Now I only have one realistic option which in itself is unrealistic - learning french to get a CLB 5 score in under 7 months to be eligible for Francophone Mobility Work Permit
I know 7 months is not a lot of time when it comes to finding immigration pathways to remain in Canada. But, it may be best to consult with a Canadian immigration lawyer about your immigration options and strategies. All the best!
This is really backwards. I mean it works great for me because I lack a LMIA and I'm applying for a PR from outside Canada, but now, due to the lack of these points, i have a stronger chance of being selected. What are they doing...
Yes, agreed. I think the current immigration minister, is trying to put lipstick on a pig. I mean, the liberal government has made a mess of the Canadian immigration system and just trying to convince the Canadian public that they are cleaning up this mess. In the grander scheme of things, removing additional points for LMIA appears the Liberals are fixing immigration fraud. In reality, this move will not be noticed or acknowledged by Canadians.
Hey Guys , this could be dumb but can you clarify I understand removing Lima eliminates bonus points that leads to reduce CRS scores but will it be applicable for all ? Like genuine LMiA holders then will loose opportunity of having LMIA bonus points ? No ? At the end number of (density) people with point difference would be more like people between 501-502 more
To be clear, the additional points are removed for applicants with an arranged employment backed by an LMIA in the express entry program. I am not clear about the second part of your question.
A perspective is missed by the video. LMIA requirements make changing jobs for genuine temporary workers difficult. The extra points in CRS is the only good thing that came out of it. If points are not given for this, it makes it more tougher for them on the permanent residence path. Why should you all care? It is because the tougher and longer you make for genuine highly skilled workers to make contributions to the economy without being restricted to their employees, the longer it takes for them to move to better paid jobs. Because if you don’t already know, employers take advantage of the helplessness of workers to change jobs to give them raises, etc and depress the wages market.
A couple things to note: 1. The presenter made a mention that workers have to work for a specific employer at 1:42 of this video. I somewhat agree that removing additional points wi make things more difficult for a genuine worker with an LMIA to obtain PR. 2. The main purpose of a closed work permit (i.e. LMIA) is to protect the job market for Canadians and permanent residents of Canada. It may seem unfair for a foreign worker to not have the ability to move from job to job. However, if the foreigner is able to move from job to job without applying for another LMIA, this would lead to the foreigner taking a job from a Canadian. When you compare the right of a Canadian and a foreigner to have access to jobs in Canada, the Canadian's right always trumps the rights of the foreigner. 3. I don't want to be critical of your comments. I think its best to look at things from both perspectives. After which, we can paint a better picture of the gravity of the situation.
@@TienTran-oh8dn Thank you for your respectful answer. The point i was making was not about making LMIA go away. It is a fair requirement from citizens and should of course stay in place.
But Canada is not the only country which has this requirement. Even US has the same requirement for h1b. The difference is that US makes it much easier for H1B employees to transfer, you can do it in 30 days. In Canada it takes 5 months currently. A new employer in US also has to do a labor assessment (LCA) to transfer-in an H1b. The process is the same in US. But way more efficient. Because of this barrier, very few Canadian companies are open to hiring TFW. Not because they don’t want to do LMIA. But because the time it takes makes it impractical for urgent requirements.
This is taken advantage of by existing employers by not compensating TFW as there is much lower risk of attrition. And the more barriers you put on the path to PR, the longer you extend this exploitation with adverse impact on the market.
@@sandipb Hopefully, I understand your point of concern. It has more to do with the inefficient processing of LMIA in Canada. In Canada, this is a 2 step process that requires first getting an LMIA approved through ESDC and then getting a work permit approved by IRCC. ESDC and IRCC are 2 different government agencies that are disconnected. Dealing with 2 different government agencies and submitting 2 different types of applications will inevitably cause additional complication and delay. If this process was more efficient, it would mean foreign workers can move from job to job and incentivize Canadian businesses to hire foreign workers. I agree that making the process more efficient has more benefits to the overall economy and lessens potential immigration abuse.
Whatever the changed laws are it always boils down to this for any Country: is the immigrant's pr logical, for example, are they they only candidate that can fit in this position at the moment? If yes is there something that is preventing them from working remote from their Country? If yes, is the employer capable of paying a salary? If yes is the immigrant bringing value to Canada aka their help will probably make money in the end for the Canadian employer and make it possible for the government to make more tax money? If yes the demand will mostly pass.
Can you please give a couple of immigration programs where your statement can be applied? I understand the gist of your points, but just a bit confused if your theory applies to most Canadian immigration programs.
@@TienTran-oh8dn I dont know, I have a company and that's what I am getting from what my lawyer explained, I'm looking to give a work visa to someone from Turkiye.
Hi Rachel! I love your videos, and thank you so much for doing all the research you do to keep many of us informed. However, as someone who works with vulnerable temporary foreign workers, I don't think is fair to say that both workers and employers have a shared responsibility when it comes to asking the workers to pay for their LMIA's. As you explained, the LMIA backed work permit is for many the only way to stay in Canada. And abusive employers know this. This narrative contributes to the blaming of workers for their own exploitation as if they themselves are exploiting the system. And this is simply not the case. Many international students become temporary workers and in this transition, because of the power imbalance, they become victims of manipulation and misrepresentation of jobs or as you said, they are simply offered fake jobs. There's a number of reasons why someone would agree to pay for their LMIA but this does not mean they bear the same responsibility because the power imbalance in an employer-employee relationship will always benefit the employer. Hope other TFWs reading this know that there are ways to denounce such situations. Just sharing this respectfully, I understand this is a complex issue.
I have read your comment and I understand and sympathize with people in vulnerable positions. However, I would like to chime in on this. Here are some of my questions: 1. Do you think the worker that paid for the fraudulent LMIA, gain an advantage or benefit in the immigration system? 2. If the worker received a benefit in the immigration system (i.e. obtaining PR), would this be a detriment to another immigrant (i.e. someone not obtaining their PR)? 3. If the other immigrant suffered a detriment, is that person a victim of the worker or the immigration system? 4. Prior to paying for the fraudulent LMIA, does the worker have a choice not to pay and engage in this fraud? 5. If there are no more bonus points for arranged employment through LMIA, would this mean less workers that are victims? I am with the school of thought that if both parties are aware and engage in fraud, then both parties are perpetuating the fraud. They are benefiting from this fraud. The employer gets paid a large amount of money. The worker obtains an advantage in the immigration system. We also have to look at it from the perspective of a genuine applicant that was disadvantaged because of this fraudulent scheme. Then this person is also a victim of the worker that obtained that benefit.
Fraudulent LMIA's exist because people who are willing to pay for it exists. The commodity only exists because of the demand. I would say the companies doing these are acting in bad faith, but the people seeking them out are even worse.
@@TienTran-oh8dn Because you have the right to live your life. If you don't violate the right and freedoms of others you should have the right to live here.
@@TienTran-oh8dnBecause every human being have the right to live. If you don't violate the rights and freedoms of others you should have the right to come and live at canada.
LMIA should be shutdown, it’s not serving the genuine purpose.
These rules are still part of the governments plan to reduce the number of both permanent and temporary resident in the upcoming years. Whether it will bring back the integrity of Express entry or not let’s not forget that the main goal here is to reduce population as this cost to much for Canadians and Permanent Residents or let us say for the whole country.
Even as an immigrant, I think, they should scrap LMIA, just a shitty scam!
It has been scrapped today (December 17, 2024).
For a senior manager such as a CEO, CFO, or CTO, their age is usually over 40. If the LMIA bonus points of 200 are removed from PR applications, they can hardly compete with even a greenhorn graduate, as their age points are 100 points lower than those of juniors under 30. Is this fair in reflecting experience and adaptation ability to the Canadian job market? Without experienced senior professionals joining the domestic industry, it would be hard to revitalize the local economy.
I think you made a valid point.
1. Applicants in managerial positions generally have more work experience and as such are typically older. The Express Entry is very unkind to applicants over 30, quite nasty to applicants over 40 and outright disgusting to applicants over 45.
2. Applicants in managerial and upper management positions usually have particular skills, experience and knowledge that propels the business or company forward. Meaning, they generate more revenue, pay more taxes and improve business operations. In economic terms, these people are a net benefit to the Canadian economy. As such, we should attract and incentivize these people to stay in Canada.
3. I would be in support of an exemption for these types of workers.
Hi when is it possible to happen the LMIA removed bunos points?
@@TienTran-oh8dn I've applied with LMIA but I'm not a manager (so it's 50 points only), I'm an expert in one of IT disciplines. I earn six digits, I brought two kids with me and while I'm almost 40, I'm in the waiting list for 6 months already. If I don't have PR in the next 6 months, I'm leaving. With all that crap in the economy and politics, I just don't see why should I stay if I'm no longer welcomed.
@@eugeneo1589 I completely agree and empathize with your situation. It just sucks that Canadian immigration does not have a way to retain foreigners like you. You are an economic benefit to this country. You are on the higher tax bracket and thus pay more in taxes in comparison to the average Canadian. The LMIA reflects the importance of your skillsets to the business that hires you.
I think Canada should create an immigration program to specifically retain high skill and high wage foreigners like yourself. I do wish you and your family all the best in your future endeavours!
Good that way people will not cheat the system
Nobody talked about banking system nor making content of this, if 4.9million of temporary resident will leave, Let’s just say each of them have a 1k on their saving x 4.9million thats equals to 4.9billion, are banks ready for that? market will be affected for sure CAD value will go down. And for sure their savings is more than just 1k.
These number of people leaving in a year can certainly crash the economy
I don't think there will be a drastic impact to the Canadian economy. Canada's overall GDP for 2023 is 2.14 trillion USD. Taking 4.9 billion dollars out of the economy will have a noticeable impact but not something that will drastically collapse the economy.
Also, you have to remember that there will not be a drastic reduction of temporary residents by 4.9 million people before the end of 2024 for the following reasons:
1. Some of the 4.9 million temporary residents will find other ways to extend their status or change their status (for instance, international student applies for a PGWP).
2. There are temporary residents in Canada with expiring statuses that go beyond the end of this year.
3. There are incoming temporary residents for future years to come. So, new temporary residents will replace the ones that leave Canada.
4. Some people will lose their status and decide to stay in the country illegally.
5. Some of the temporary residents will be selected for permanent residency.
LoL
I don't think so.. In 2023 alone, 12 Billion Cad reportedly remitted abroad by immigrants. Canada is already having money drain anyways.
Mine expires September next year. I have more than 60 grands in my back account. Will probably save 40k next year before I leave
This is very fair. They were corruption cases in LMIA to increase the points.
Canada can do whatever they want, and we cannot complain.
This makes it harder for those with unique fields to go in where they should be making a difference. They'll simply disappear in-between the masses.
I am not sure why it would be harder. People in unique fields can still get an LMIA and still make a difference. So, in essence, they won't be disappearing.
The only real difference is that they won't get the additional points with an LMIA in the Express Entry program. Hopefully that makes sense.
@@TienTran-oh8dn That's the thing
What's the point in getting an LMIA if it provides no points?
@@TripleHearts-hj4fq I know this is a rhetorical answer. The whole point is not to give additional points because that incentivizes fraud. LMIA should only be reserved for businesses that are actually looking to hire foreign workers.
I only have 7 months left on my work permit. LMIA points were a good final option if all else failed. Now I only have one realistic option which in itself is unrealistic - learning french to get a CLB 5 score in under 7 months to be eligible for Francophone Mobility Work Permit
I know 7 months is not a lot of time when it comes to finding immigration pathways to remain in Canada. But, it may be best to consult with a Canadian immigration lawyer about your immigration options and strategies. All the best!
Good to see you again.
Thanks for tuning in! 🤗
This is so unfair for those people who got their sponsorship for working so hard just to receive this news, this is crazy.
I have heard of people paying 80K for an LMIA
Good information. Thanks
actually this is a good thing , so people cannot pay for fake LMIA and get PR by paying 35k
Agreed. Fake LMIAs does more harm than good to the overall integrity of the immigration system.
This is really backwards. I mean it works great for me because I lack a LMIA and I'm applying for a PR from outside Canada, but now, due to the lack of these points, i have a stronger chance of being selected. What are they doing...
Yes, agreed. I think the current immigration minister, is trying to put lipstick on a pig. I mean, the liberal government has made a mess of the Canadian immigration system and just trying to convince the Canadian public that they are cleaning up this mess.
In the grander scheme of things, removing additional points for LMIA appears the Liberals are fixing immigration fraud. In reality, this move will not be noticed or acknowledged by Canadians.
Hey Guys , this could be dumb but can you clarify
I understand removing Lima eliminates bonus points that leads to reduce CRS scores but will it be applicable for all ? Like genuine LMiA holders then will loose opportunity of having LMIA bonus points ? No ?
At the end number of (density) people with point difference would be more like people between 501-502 more
To be clear, the additional points are removed for applicants with an arranged employment backed by an LMIA in the express entry program.
I am not clear about the second part of your question.
A perspective is missed by the video. LMIA requirements make changing jobs for genuine temporary workers difficult. The extra points in CRS is the only good thing that came out of it. If points are not given for this, it makes it more tougher for them on the permanent residence path.
Why should you all care? It is because the tougher and longer you make for genuine highly skilled workers to make contributions to the economy without being restricted to their employees, the longer it takes for them to move to better paid jobs. Because if you don’t already know, employers take advantage of the helplessness of workers to change jobs to give them raises, etc and depress the wages market.
A couple things to note:
1. The presenter made a mention that workers have to work for a specific employer at 1:42 of this video. I somewhat agree that removing additional points wi make things more difficult for a genuine worker with an LMIA to obtain PR.
2. The main purpose of a closed work permit (i.e. LMIA) is to protect the job market for Canadians and permanent residents of Canada. It may seem unfair for a foreign worker to not have the ability to move from job to job. However, if the foreigner is able to move from job to job without applying for another LMIA, this would lead to the foreigner taking a job from a Canadian. When you compare the right of a Canadian and a foreigner to have access to jobs in Canada, the Canadian's right always trumps the rights of the foreigner.
3. I don't want to be critical of your comments. I think its best to look at things from both perspectives. After which, we can paint a better picture of the gravity of the situation.
@@TienTran-oh8dn Thank you for your respectful answer.
The point i was making was not about making LMIA go away. It is a fair requirement from citizens and should of course stay in place.
But Canada is not the only country which has this requirement. Even US has the same requirement for h1b. The difference is that US makes it much easier for H1B employees to transfer, you can do it in 30 days. In Canada it takes 5 months currently. A new employer in US also has to do a labor assessment (LCA) to transfer-in an H1b. The process is the same in US. But way more efficient.
Because of this barrier, very few Canadian companies are open to hiring TFW. Not because they don’t want to do LMIA. But because the time it takes makes it impractical for urgent requirements.
This is taken advantage of by existing employers by not compensating TFW as there is much lower risk of attrition. And the more barriers you put on the path to PR, the longer you extend this exploitation with adverse impact on the market.
@@sandipb Hopefully, I understand your point of concern. It has more to do with the inefficient processing of LMIA in Canada. In Canada, this is a 2 step process that requires first getting an LMIA approved through ESDC and then getting a work permit approved by IRCC. ESDC and IRCC are 2 different government agencies that are disconnected. Dealing with 2 different government agencies and submitting 2 different types of applications will inevitably cause additional complication and delay. If this process was more efficient, it would mean foreign workers can move from job to job and incentivize Canadian businesses to hire foreign workers.
I agree that making the process more efficient has more benefits to the overall economy and lessens potential immigration abuse.
Whatever the changed laws are it always boils down to this for any Country: is the immigrant's pr logical, for example, are they they only candidate that can fit in this position at the moment? If yes is there something that is preventing them from working remote from their Country? If yes, is the employer capable of paying a salary? If yes is the immigrant bringing value to Canada aka their help will probably make money in the end for the Canadian employer and make it possible for the government to make more tax money? If yes the demand will mostly pass.
Can you please give a couple of immigration programs where your statement can be applied? I understand the gist of your points, but just a bit confused if your theory applies to most Canadian immigration programs.
@@TienTran-oh8dn I dont know, I have a company and that's what I am getting from what my lawyer explained, I'm looking to give a work visa to someone from Turkiye.
I don’t get it, a student get a PGWP so… work permit right ? So exempt from the LMIA thing right ?
There are some countries that are exempted for LMIA because of current FTAs.
Yes true. There are LMIA exempt job offers. However, I think this video was focused on the non-exempt LMIA category.
HOW MUCH PRICE BUY LMIA WORK PERMIT IN CANADA OR SALE PRICE
All indians ae crying now ?
closed working job offer 50 points will also be removed if this rule will be implemented?
Can you please define which specific category of closed work permit you are referring to?
@@TienTran-oh8dn ICT holders with LMIA nonexempt category I guess that what the comment is about
@@girishshanmuganathan5077 But, ICT holders are an LMIA exempt category of closed work permits. So, it wouldn't apply to the discussion of this video.
@girishshanmuganathan5077 yes correct
Immediately should remove LMIA points
LMIAO “Laughing my Indian Ass off” 😂
Hi Rachel! I love your videos, and thank you so much for doing all the research you do to keep many of us informed. However, as someone who works with vulnerable temporary foreign workers, I don't think is fair to say that both workers and employers have a shared responsibility when it comes to asking the workers to pay for their LMIA's. As you explained, the LMIA backed work permit is for many the only way to stay in Canada. And abusive employers know this. This narrative contributes to the blaming of workers for their own exploitation as if they themselves are exploiting the system. And this is simply not the case. Many international students become temporary workers and in this transition, because of the power imbalance, they become victims of manipulation and misrepresentation of jobs or as you said, they are simply offered fake jobs. There's a number of reasons why someone would agree to pay for their LMIA but this does not mean they bear the same responsibility because the power imbalance in an employer-employee relationship will always benefit the employer. Hope other TFWs reading this know that there are ways to denounce such situations. Just sharing this respectfully, I understand this is a complex issue.
I have read your comment and I understand and sympathize with people in vulnerable positions. However, I would like to chime in on this. Here are some of my questions:
1. Do you think the worker that paid for the fraudulent LMIA, gain an advantage or benefit in the immigration system?
2. If the worker received a benefit in the immigration system (i.e. obtaining PR), would this be a detriment to another immigrant (i.e. someone not obtaining their PR)?
3. If the other immigrant suffered a detriment, is that person a victim of the worker or the immigration system?
4. Prior to paying for the fraudulent LMIA, does the worker have a choice not to pay and engage in this fraud?
5. If there are no more bonus points for arranged employment through LMIA, would this mean less workers that are victims?
I am with the school of thought that if both parties are aware and engage in fraud, then both parties are perpetuating the fraud. They are benefiting from this fraud. The employer gets paid a large amount of money. The worker obtains an advantage in the immigration system.
We also have to look at it from the perspective of a genuine applicant that was disadvantaged because of this fraudulent scheme. Then this person is also a victim of the worker that obtained that benefit.
Fraudulent LMIA's exist because people who are willing to pay for it exists. The commodity only exists because of the demand. I would say the companies doing these are acting in bad faith, but the people seeking them out are even worse.
Will lmia-exempt c20 permit be affected by this policy for claiming 50 pts?
I have a similar question on whether LMIA exempt job offers will also be impacted by this change.
Same here
do you have a BC PNP plus EE video
I think she has a couple videos on her channel.
I like your chanal
You can’t spell let alone speak the language.
how did you know she has a chanel?
You should marry someone intelligent
I liked
Better to correct chanal, too
You think that immigration need to be available only for skilled and talented people? Immigration needs to be available almost to everyone.
Can you please explain why immigration needs to be available to the masses?
Oh, really?
@@TienTran-oh8dn Because you have the right to live your life. If you don't violate the right and freedoms of others you should have the right to live here.
@@TienTran-oh8dnBecause every human being have the right to live. If you don't violate the rights and freedoms of others you should have the right to come and live at canada.
NO go home. If you don't assimilate to Canada's culture go home and stay in your ugly country.
LMIA market rate is 50k USD in INDIA 😅
Well, it should be $0 USD.
All these temp people must leave when their permit expires.
They won't until you born again on earth
Are you feeling it now Mr krabs? 🪓