I can't remember when 66744 was built but 66106 will definitely be older than Tornado, if I remember correctly the class 66 is 20 years old this year and Tornado was completed 10 years ago
That's the second 66 at NVR in less than a week ! - Excellent video documenting the event. The damage looks to be quite major, lets hope she's back in service soon.
Thanks Malcom, it's rather concerning and this is before they do their investigations. She's got visits to The Midland Railway and the Nene Valley coming up so let's hope she's fixed soon
when you recorded underneath Tornado at 1:57, is the damage seeable? They said she sustained damaged to her motion, and from seeing that broken part on the track, am worried what that part is... I hope she's back in service soon..
I personally couldn't see too much when I was recording the inside part of Tornado amd I'm no expert on steam locomotive components but I've seen on many forums that the components found on the track were part of Tornado's union link
I have heard reports that something hit the loco (off the track or other things) but at the moment there is loads of speculations and we are currently awaiting the official report from the investigations that the team are making into this incident
got an email today.. it was due to her Lubrication system failing.. some think from a blocked tube. So she was overheated, No confirms she hit anything on the track. the noise must've been from the piece that broke off hitting her underneath. Also they said Investigations have so far revealed that this was due to the middle piston valve overheating and binding in the valve chest. sounds like an expensive repair...
Oliver Cromwell got repaired as well when it had it's trouble in February, it was fixed in a few days, with Tornado being the middle cylinder components makes it a bit tougher but it definitely is being repaired and there's updates about it on the A1 trust website
On a preservation forum, someone from the Strasburg RR in the US said that it looked like there was a failure in the union link, with the lower half of the combination lever on one end, and a chunk of the crosshead on the other.
That's what I've heard here in the UK, I saw something this morning about the components not receiving the correct lubrication, let's see what the official report says
Hi, Tornado never made it as far as York, she was taken off at Peterborough, what you see at and after 4:11 is on the Nene Valley Railway at Longville Junction where the mainline connection is to this railway
Thanks Damien, I was thinking about seeing her at Nene Valley too as it's my local but I've also had my eye on a couple other events too, let's hope Tornado has a speedy recovery
Getting all this footage is mainly about being in the right place at the right time with a little bit of luck, had she not broken down the only bit of footage I'd of got of Tornado in the morning would've been the clip at Arlesey. When a steam engine breaks down depending on what the problem is can take it a while to cool down and for the steam pressure to ease off, also they would've needed to keep the cylinder cocks open to avoid damaging the cylinders
IT TAKES A GOOD BIT OF TIME FOR A HOT BOILER TO COOL DOWN! ALSO THERE MAY BE SOME AUXILIARY EQUIPMENT REQUIRING STEAM TO OPERATE, SAY , THE LUBRICATING SYSTEM TURBO GENERATOR AND WHISTLE! EVEN SO WHEN A STEAM ENGINE IS LAID UP FOR A BIT IT IS QUITE ADVISABLE FOR COOLING THE BOILER DOWN AS SLOWLY AS POSSIBLE, TO REDUCE STRESS ON INTERNAL BOILER PARTS! KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!! 👍👍
Very sad. Thank you for a well presented video. Mechanical failures were all in days work in the steam era, just as they are now. Whatever the extent of the damage, let's hope for a soon return to service, as well as any lessons that the failure may highlight. All in a days work.
And didn't the Mallard have a failure of the inside motion on its record -breaking run, back in the 1930s? The connecting rod big - end seized, I think.
You are right they almost ruined Mallard on her record attempting run but as 24B10F has already said the A4s had a stink bomb to warn the drivers that something was wrong, Tornado was running nowhere near her full potential and the failure is down to a lubrication problem
Mallard's problem was possibly explained by a German high speed steam driver, who stated that Duddington's total closure of the regulator just past Essendine put to much strain on the inside motion. The Germans, apparently, kept their regulators fractionally open after their high-speed runs, and as a result their locos suffered no ill effects.
Probably not, if the ticketing policies are the same in the UK as they usually are in the States. When you purchase a ticket for an excursion, there is just about always a disclaimer from the operator that they reserve the right to substitute equipment in the case of a breakdown or other problem.
but the other thing is, it wasn't Tonrado's fault and it wasn't the passengers' fault either as they booked a trip for Tornado to do 90mph run to York and back, and they didn't get it, but they also did announce to us we would be contacted once a final decision was made on whether to redo the trip or another decision. The main thing is finding out what happened, as two express trains went over the same track with no troubles.
we are finding out Monday what the outcome is. When we got to Peterborough to change locomotives and Tornado taken to Wansford, we were all offered to chance to depart, and a Virgin media train was waiting to take the passengers back to Kings cross, over half the passengers got off..
no... she had an inspection today.. I'm worried she'll be taken apart to find out the problem, but they reckon they know what's damaged.. but soon as the A1 trust know we'll know..
I personally don't know how long she will be out of action for but if you keep an eye on the A1 steam trust's website and or social media pages they will be able to update you better than I can
Dang, and on her first 90mph railtour, too. I know the failure was not speed-related, but I can't help but think people might become superstitious of Tornado breaking down on the first railtour where she could legally hit 90mph.
It definitely is troublesome and they are hoping to do a re run of this tour too, Tornado did hit 100mph on a test run last year and had no trouble at all
I remember that run, but when things like this happen other people tend to forget. I hope I'm wrong as she is a wonderful loco, one of my absolute favorites.
well really its a learning curve for the DB for signing the engine off when obviously he/she didn't look at the engine properly to approve it can head out and this wouldn't have happened
Can someone explain why the worker at the start is standing on the track on the phone. I know precautions will have been taken re safety etc but this looks terrible.
I think he was either talking with Network Rail/operations as I'm sure he was a Network Rail man or he was in immediate communication with the support crew or footplate crew of Tornado
Waste of time being on a steam hauled train with Air Con coaches.. you wouldnt know any difference if the 66 had been on it , cant here the loco on the air-cons
Mechanical failure can happen to anything old or new. Just a shame that these days it is all so public. At least the motion won't have been wrecked like the way Blue Peter suffered. She still isn't back is she?If anyone can sort Tornado out it will be the owners, they are very professional.
Yesterday the A1 steam trust did release an official statement regarding the failure, while the investigation isn't fully complete it is getting somewhere and with things like social media on the rise more and more things like this in the public eye are only going to increase
When I saw the GW loco I nearly fainted. The thought of Tornado being rescued by Swindon doesn't bear thinking about. Luckily, the loco was just passing through.
Surely it must only be a matter of time until steam trains are banned from mainline running. Tornado is the newest steam locomotive in the UK and supposedly capable of 100mph yet like far too many other preserved locomotives it still fails, shedding bits of itself over the track and causing chaos for following trains carrying fare-paying passengers who will no doubt seek compensation from blameless TOCs. Mainline railways are for people who need to get from A to B as quickly as possible, not for hobbyists indulging their enthusiasms. There are plenty of preserved lines for people who want to travel on steam trains.
While I fully understand your comment David, eventually these rail tours with steam will have to end as the network becomes busier with passenger and freight services and the trains get faster steam will eventually have no room on the network. While nothing official has been released from the A1 steam trust or any other organisation it is beleived that this incident was not speed related
Thanks for your reply. I don't think any of the well-known steam failures have been speed-related but that doesn't take away from the chaos which they cause. I was severely delayed on a journey from Glasgow to Oban a few years ago because of a steam locomotive which had failed on Glencruitten Bank blocking the single line so despite enjoying preserved lines I have a very jaundiced view of steam on the main line!
No worries, I can definitely appreciate your comment about severe delays and I'm sure several people on the day were rather frustrated. Being on the next service train behind Tornado (even though my train was on the slow line) got delayed by Tornado's failure as well
Excellent video - your editing told the story like you had a second unit filming for you.
Thank you so much Stuart, all of this was done single handedly, I appreciate the comment though
instablaster...
The diesel is probably older than the steam engine!
I can't remember when 66744 was built but 66106 will definitely be older than Tornado, if I remember correctly the class 66 is 20 years old this year and Tornado was completed 10 years ago
That's the second 66 at NVR in less than a week ! - Excellent video documenting the event. The damage looks to be quite major, lets hope she's back in service soon.
Thanks Malcom, it's rather concerning and this is before they do their investigations. She's got visits to The Midland Railway and the Nene Valley coming up so let's hope she's fixed soon
when you recorded underneath Tornado at 1:57, is the damage seeable? They said she sustained damaged to her motion, and from seeing that broken part on the track, am worried what that part is... I hope she's back in service soon..
I personally couldn't see too much when I was recording the inside part of Tornado amd I'm no expert on steam locomotive components but I've seen on many forums that the components found on the track were part of Tornado's union link
OMG.. how exactly does that break off is beyond scary.. its scary to think about it... :(
I have heard reports that something hit the loco (off the track or other things) but at the moment there is loads of speculations and we are currently awaiting the official report from the investigations that the team are making into this incident
got an email today.. it was due to her Lubrication system failing.. some think from a blocked tube. So she was overheated, No confirms she hit anything on the track. the noise must've been from the piece that broke off hitting her underneath. Also they said Investigations have so far revealed that this was due to the middle piston valve overheating and binding in the valve chest. sounds like an expensive repair...
It certainly has that look about it.
I think the damage is repairable , nothing like Oliver Cromwell . Plus Tornado is a relatively new loco ,
Oliver Cromwell got repaired as well when it had it's trouble in February, it was fixed in a few days, with Tornado being the middle cylinder components makes it a bit tougher but it definitely is being repaired and there's updates about it on the A1 trust website
jules46443 that’s definitely some good news
A bit of a bugger if you paid out a big wedge for steam haulage on that tour. Bonus 56XX on the NVR & the 'Teddybear' getting a good bit of excercise.
NVR's doing quite a useful trade as a drop-in steam loco repair shop isn't it.
AndreiTupolev just abit !!!
Yes it is, I volunteer there we have had Flying Scotsman and Tornado on our railway in the same year, what are the chances of that.
Great coverage of Saturday Tornado charter failing.
Thanks
not capable of running at speed yet.
poor tornado lets hope its back running again soon
On the plus side the passengers got hauled by 2 different 66s can't be bad
If in doubt put a shed on it
hardly a treat though is it lol? 66 haulage is not sort after by many
On a preservation forum, someone from the Strasburg RR in the US said that it looked like there was a failure in the union link, with the lower half of the combination lever on one end, and a chunk of the crosshead on the other.
That's what I've heard here in the UK, I saw something this morning about the components not receiving the correct lubrication, let's see what the official report says
I wonder if those parts are forged
3:21- would have been nice if they put the headboard onto the 66
Where is the footage taken after York at 4:11 please?
Hi, Tornado never made it as far as York, she was taken off at Peterborough, what you see at and after 4:11 is on the Nene Valley Railway at Longville Junction where the mainline connection is to this railway
Thank you.
Whoa that's a serious lump of metal. Good job it didn't bounce off the boiler! It might have but we need to see more damage reports.
Absolutely and it was an important component too
Awesome Video (Before & After) 7 minutes of watching well spent!
Thanks Liam
Hope there's recovery
Fantastic video!
Thanks
Really good video, shame about Tornado, we're going to see it at Nene Valley 6th May, hopefully be fixed by then!
Thanks Damien, I was thinking about seeing her at Nene Valley too as it's my local but I've also had my eye on a couple other events too, let's hope Tornado has a speedy recovery
Ok so how did you get all this footage? And also, why is it still steaming after it's broken down?
Getting all this footage is mainly about being in the right place at the right time with a little bit of luck, had she not broken down the only bit of footage I'd of got of Tornado in the morning would've been the clip at Arlesey. When a steam engine breaks down depending on what the problem is can take it a while to cool down and for the steam pressure to ease off, also they would've needed to keep the cylinder cocks open to avoid damaging the cylinders
IT TAKES A GOOD BIT OF TIME FOR A HOT BOILER TO COOL DOWN!
ALSO THERE MAY BE SOME AUXILIARY EQUIPMENT REQUIRING STEAM TO OPERATE,
SAY , THE LUBRICATING SYSTEM
TURBO GENERATOR AND WHISTLE!
EVEN SO WHEN A STEAM ENGINE IS LAID UP FOR A BIT IT IS QUITE ADVISABLE FOR COOLING THE BOILER DOWN AS SLOWLY AS POSSIBLE, TO REDUCE STRESS ON INTERNAL BOILER PARTS!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!
👍👍
Nice video.
Thank you
What was the fault on the steam engine?
the union link came to lose due to the lubrication failure that is causes by overheating
Very sad. Thank you for a well presented video. Mechanical failures were all in days work in the steam era, just as they are now. Whatever the extent of the damage, let's hope for a soon return to service, as well as any lessons that the failure may highlight. All in a days work.
Thanks PhilipInCoventry, it is a shame that this has happened, I'm sure lessons will be learnt and let's definitely hope it's back soon
How many miles has Tornado ‘clocked up’ now, since she first appeared as a ‘new build’?
Apparently her Cyclinder split if right😞
It was the union link on the middle cylinder
These things happen at the end of the day, this is a gorgeous locomotive and big part of out history
And didn't the Mallard have a failure of the inside motion on its record -breaking run, back in the 1930s? The connecting rod big - end seized, I think.
Big end bearing got too hot (stink bottle broke so the crew could tell)
You are right they almost ruined Mallard on her record attempting run but as 24B10F has already said the A4s had a stink bomb to warn the drivers that something was wrong, Tornado was running nowhere near her full potential and the failure is down to a lubrication problem
Yes. That's the point. maybe "Tornado" ought to have a stink-bomb fitted, too.
crab5mt i somtimes the simple warning devices are the best
Mallard's problem was possibly explained by a German high speed steam driver, who stated that Duddington's total closure of the regulator just past Essendine put to much strain on the inside motion. The Germans, apparently, kept their regulators fractionally open after their high-speed runs, and as a result their locos suffered no ill effects.
Did well Jules......Great bit of footage.''
Thanks Trevor, it's a shame that it has happened especially for the owning group, support team and the passengers on the tour of course
So were the passengers offered a refund or the chance to bale out at Peterborough and get their money back?
Probably not, if the ticketing policies are the same in the UK as they usually are in the States. When you purchase a ticket for an excursion, there is just about always a disclaimer from the operator that they reserve the right to substitute equipment in the case of a breakdown or other problem.
but the other thing is, it wasn't Tonrado's fault and it wasn't the passengers' fault either as they booked a trip for Tornado to do 90mph run to York and back, and they didn't get it, but they also did announce to us we would be contacted once a final decision was made on whether to redo the trip or another decision.
The main thing is finding out what happened, as two express trains went over the same track with no troubles.
we are finding out Monday what the outcome is. When we got to Peterborough to change locomotives and Tornado taken to Wansford, we were all offered to chance to depart, and a Virgin media train was waiting to take the passengers back to Kings cross, over half the passengers got off..
Yes, has it been confirmed that it hit anything? Has anything been found? Did any other trains report anything?
no... she had an inspection today.. I'm worried she'll be taken apart to find out the problem, but they reckon they know what's damaged.. but soon as the A1 trust know we'll know..
Do you know how long she’ll be out of service?
I personally don't know how long she will be out of action for but if you keep an eye on the A1 steam trust's website and or social media pages they will be able to update you better than I can
Dang, and on her first 90mph railtour, too. I know the failure was not speed-related, but I can't help but think people might become superstitious of Tornado breaking down on the first railtour where she could legally hit 90mph.
It definitely is troublesome and they are hoping to do a re run of this tour too, Tornado did hit 100mph on a test run last year and had no trouble at all
I remember that run, but when things like this happen other people tend to forget. I hope I'm wrong as she is a wonderful loco, one of my absolute favorites.
I get what you're saying David, I personally don't think this will affect things too much, every organisation involved handled it very professionally
Great Video
Thanks
What caused such a failure.
the union link came to lose due to the lubrication failure that is causes by overheating
well really its a learning curve for the DB for signing the engine off when obviously he/she didn't look at the engine properly to approve it can head out and this wouldn't have happened
life_on_rails no inspection can rule out all possible causes of failure.
Can someone explain why the worker at the start is standing on the track on the phone. I know precautions will have been taken re safety etc but this looks terrible.
I think he was either talking with Network Rail/operations as I'm sure he was a Network Rail man or he was in immediate communication with the support crew or footplate crew of Tornado
He is the Network Rail Mobile Operations Manager for the area. They are the emergency response of the railway and deal with all incidents.
That 66744 is a sexy beast and the EMD clang is one of a kind. I'd go for a 66 over any steam loco every time.
If in doubt...
I like a bit of everything to be fair
Waste of time being on a steam hauled train with Air Con coaches.. you wouldnt know any difference if the 66 had been on it , cant here the loco on the air-cons
Nick Parry A
Mechanical failure can happen to anything old or new. Just a shame that these days it is all so public. At least the motion won't have been wrecked like the way Blue Peter suffered. She still isn't back is she?If anyone can sort Tornado out it will be the owners, they are very professional.
Yesterday the A1 steam trust did release an official statement regarding the failure, while the investigation isn't fully complete it is getting somewhere and with things like social media on the rise more and more things like this in the public eye are only going to increase
Will interesting to hear the results of the enquiry and more importantly the reaction to this of the governing bodies.
What exactly broke off the steam engine
the union link came to lose due to the lubrication failure that is causes by overheating
I'd say that it was just bad luck
What a drag
Arrr How embarrassing - the Great Tornado being lead away by a Diesel :(
When I saw the GW loco I nearly fainted. The thought of Tornado being rescued by Swindon doesn't bear thinking about. Luckily, the loco was just passing through.
66s to the rescue can't beat diesel power
If in doubt...
even the new diesel ones fail ask gwr
The brand-new 800's leak water onto the passengers via the air-con!
shure did and if you look at paddington station 24/7 on 5 thy have a lot more diesel fails lol
finger trouble!
Nice bit of 56 action!!!
steamsearcher 66 not 56
Not a big fan of them but based on the Taff Vale Railway version a 56!!
A 66 model is my Wife!!!
Ah yes, It's Me is right, I didn't actually clock on either in all fairness
Uhhhh you dropped something! Lol
Its very upsetting to see Tornado failed due to third cylinder was broken.
Few new parts and she'll be back on the track
Arriva coaches 🤢🤢😭
Surely it must only be a matter of time until steam trains are banned from mainline running. Tornado is the newest steam locomotive in the UK and supposedly capable of 100mph yet like far too many other preserved locomotives it still fails, shedding bits of itself over the track and causing chaos for following trains carrying fare-paying passengers who will no doubt seek compensation from blameless TOCs. Mainline railways are for people who need to get from A to B as quickly as possible, not for hobbyists indulging their enthusiasms. There are plenty of preserved lines for people who want to travel on steam trains.
While I fully understand your comment David, eventually these rail tours with steam will have to end as the network becomes busier with passenger and freight services and the trains get faster steam will eventually have no room on the network. While nothing official has been released from the A1 steam trust or any other organisation it is beleived that this incident was not speed related
Thanks for your reply. I don't think any of the well-known steam failures have been speed-related but that doesn't take away from the chaos which they cause. I was severely delayed on a journey from Glasgow to Oban a few years ago because of a steam locomotive which had failed on Glencruitten Bank blocking the single line so despite enjoying preserved lines I have a very jaundiced view of steam on the main line!
No worries, I can definitely appreciate your comment about severe delays and I'm sure several people on the day were rather frustrated. Being on the next service train behind Tornado (even though my train was on the slow line) got delayed by Tornado's failure as well
David Griffiths Stop acting like you were the one suffering. Our train was delayed as well... Not all about my friend.
would it ever be possible for the great centrral to be entirely rebuilt as a steam mainline ?
¿What happened to the loko?.
the union link came to lose due to the lubrication failure that is causes by overheating