I have worn drop-in midsoles for basketball exclusively for the past 4 to 5 years (and I am getting up there in age now). I actually find it difficult to go back to sown in midsoles. I think the video does make a few assumptions that are not exactly correct (IMO). A sown in midsole doesn't necessarily create greater stability for the foot. The midsole is firmly attached, not necessarily your foot. Depending on the fit of your shoe, players often have movement of their feet inside the shoe, even in sown in midsoles. Also, the drop in midsoles is usually so tight within the shoe that there isn't a whole lot of movement of the midsole itself. This brings up what I believe is the best benefit. With proper sizing, the drop-in midsole allows for a more snug 1 to 1 fit. The shoes often feel much more lightweight, flexible, and allow you to move more seamlessly on the court usually with incredible court feel. While I have not had any issues on the court, I could see how drop-in mid-soles could add stressors on the foot, especially in heavier athletes (you don't see a lot of centers playing in Kobe AD NXT 360s). That said, this particular shoe was designed for slashing/shifty guards, who tend to be lighter players who champion court feel. Finally, most basketball players/professional athletes use equipment that is different from what is sold at retail. The fact that Serena's design of the shoe is different, doesn't really say too much about drop-in midsoles themselves. That is kind of par for the course. All that said, even though I disagree with some points, I still think this was a great video.
Thanks! Yeah I just can’t get on board with that much micro motion in a shoe for the general public- I agree for more shifty side to side movement in a lighter player i think you’ll get more of a low to the ground lighter feeling but most people I see in my office for midfoot sprains or ankle sprains are due to unstable shoes- like I said the more areas of motion in the shoe the more opportunity for instability - that being said if you train your intrinsic muscles to use this kind of set up like you your brain just gets used to it and thrives in them
@@FootDoctorZach my kobe 11's have a drop in midsole but they are so low to the ground and there's an outrigger for lateral stability. i've never felt more stable playing in another shoe. and i'm someone who's sprained ankles pretty bad in pg's or lebrons.
Personally, I'm a 6'10 235 center and the best shoes I've ever worn are Way of Wade 808s 2/3s. I've been using these shoes for the past year, and I've only had one sprain (4 on each ankle at this point I think) that happened in the past year, and it was actually while wearing my old favourite shoes, the OMN1S by New Balance. The 808s are way tighter to the court so I can move much better than before, and the grip is amazing. Nothing moves inside the shoe. Personally don't see myself going back to anything not 808 until I try a drop in midsole from another brand maybe, but I love them.
This video is amazing . Packed with information that is extremely relevant to athletes. Could you please make a video comparing the Nike zoom cushion system to others like you have for the midsole foams? Would really appreciate your opinion on how good the cushion setup is for the Nike zoom unit.
She sacrificed cushion for court feel, they added a more cushioned for retail pairs, bc then consumers will complain they’re not comfortable and their feet hurt. Also external heel counters are what provide stability and width of the sneaker. I personally own the gt cut and I love them
Really interesting that you covered this. I’ve always felt that drop in mid soles kinds gimmicky, even with their benefits. I’m still really looking forward to picking up a pair of the GT Cuts once the blue color way drops. The shoes look amazing and seem to play that way as well judging from the reviews.
@@FootDoctorZach Oh for sure. The zoom strobel always delivers. Great blend of court feel and cushioning. Seems like a winner sore sure. I’d be down to hear your thoughts on it in a video.
@@FootDoctorZach did you ever end up getting a pair? I got a pair and I love them. I play volleyball so maybe it's different than bball, but I don't feel any sliding at all. It's a snug fit and has great support. I'd love to hear your opinion.
Converse bb drop in react is an example, specially Ja Morant had his shoes modified "source from Nike report", because the shoes doesn't have shank plate. But the others athele represent that Converse bb launch, they don't require modification, like Kelly Oubre. This means that y'all need to know the take-away of the drop-in actually really important- that it mays do harm to you while functioning in them. Nike doesn't really address this health issue/ warning within their product- not that i n others can see on the website. Really best advice is to see specialist if you aren't sure about these things. And this channel is awesome!
Thanks! Yeah i don’t think drop ins are inherently bad, just like you said, there are some issues with them that aren’t an issue with a traditional strobel / midsole
I just discovered your channel today and it's exactly the type of content I have been searching for, awesome stuff! I've played basketball in a lot of shoes and personally I really don't like drop ins. for one thing I don't like the feeling of the surface of the foam underfoot, and several of nike's basketball shoes with drop ins also lack a torsion bar, and I find the midsole far too flimsy to prevent overflexing. Also as a flat footer that has overpronation issues, I find that drop in midsoles do nothing to prevent overpronation, in fact it makes it worse because the inside of my foot can freely sink into the midsole, amplifying overpronation, messing up my body alignment and leading to achilles tendon pain. Anyway love the content man!
I really enjoy your vids and as a basketball player, appreciate you looking into the GT cut and specifically the drop in midsole. I’ve had quite a different experience with drop in midsoles. I own a pair of Kobe AD NXT 360’s and Allstar pro BB’s which both utilize Drop-ins and they have been by far the most stable and 1 to 1 fitting shoes I’ve ever owned. For context, I’m am a pretty explosive basketball player and have preferred drop-ins over the traditional cushion setup sense playing in these models. The top layer of the drop-in midsole used in the Kobe model has a sticky material that locks your sock to the footbed and prevented my foot from moving around in the shoe. The shoe’s upper wraps my foot well enough that the drop-in is sandwiched tightly between my foot and the thin outsole. Lastly, I noticed that the drop ins have a shorter stack height than the traditional cushion setup which made me feel more stable and close to the ground but without sacrificed cushioning because it was directly under foot. But, I’d love to discuss more about your findings on this if possible. I’ve been really interested in drop- in midsoles and value your expertise in this filed.
That’s awesome insight- I wonder if it’s the textured / tacky interface and glove like fit that you are feeling that is giving you that performance in spite of the drop in- I’ve had a few people comment on one side of the fence or the other today- I’d love to keep the topic going in future videos just because it fascinates me where people see benefits from it and other people don’t- at the moment I’m still steering my patients away from them but a shoe like the GT cut with the large surface area outsole and glove fit I still think is a winner of a shoe despite my reservations on the drop in
I also am #TeamMidsoleDropin. There is no better shoe to ball in than the Kobe 8-9, Lebron 11. Drop In is for me. Also some stablitity issues can be also seen on tradicional shoe construction, if not fitted right. On these type of shoes, sizing is critical and will not be well fitted to all types of feet. Serene Williams is a good example, but also some other athletes go the other way arround, they use the midsole modifies with more air (zoom) support, so the stack is higher ("unstable").
I like the hashtag- i think I’ll do a poll here in the community section and see who all is using them- I’d love to get a good debate on them as the tech keeps getting refined
I have and played in the new Jordan’s, KD’s, Labrons, GT jump, K. Thompson’s, and I keep going back to my GT Cut2. I love them! I don’t feel any instability and they fit me like a glove. I move faster and I’m more agile with GT Cut 2 than any other shoe.
The Air Jordan 2012s had drop in midsoles that were touted as super customizable (e.g. full length zoom, forefoot zoom/heel Max Air, etc.). They felt exactly as you described - unstable. It felt like the shoe wasn't put together properly.
wow 🤯 i played in Kobes for the last two years of college and most of the time I was overseas/in minor leagues... always preferred models like the 10, AD, AD Mid, AD Exodus, etc that had traditional insoles/midsoles in comparison to drop-ins... the drop-ins almost make the insole and shoe feel like they arent in sync in my opinion... ...with all this being said, do you think Kobe was wearing customized shoes with no drop-in midsoles like Serena Williams in the Kobe 9s and 11s? keep up the awesome work Doc
I disagree with your theory of micro motion, I would argue that being caged in rubber and not having any exterior compression of the midsole is more stable. Also my other theory from wearing shoes, such as Kobe’s are the chassis system of having everything else built around you to keep the shoe minimal, yet supportive is better, however I can agree with your more official opinion and I would love to hear a follow up after you play some more in the GT Cut
It’s not my theory, it’s common practice in brace and orthotic making that you want to avoid micromotion and microtrauma as it can lead to instability and ulceration of the skin- I’ve talked to a few buddies who are collegiate basketball team docs and they won’t let their schools buy that design shoe- it’s an interesting phenomenon that it’s coming back into vogue but I’m still steering my patients away from them- just too much risk looking at the pure biomechanics
Great topic to talk about. Can you do some sports insoles test? Right now I'm testing Orthomovement Sport Insole made in Sweden with some D3O technology and I'm kind of unsure whether it helps or not. I feel more relaxed after using them, but at the same time I don't see any benefits in speed or stability. Moreover, one insole is 50 grams! which adds to the weight of the shoe significantly.
I wonder what he has to say after reviewing the Wade 808 2. I have not had any problems with drop in midsoles. Best traction due to the flexibility. It also molds to your feet.
Your not supposed to wear othrotics with drop in shoes, and it depends on the drop in insole, your foot wont move independently in the way of wade 808 3 because of the design on the bottom and sides of the midsole so it doesnt move around in the shoe
This really makes me wonder how different the Nike Alphafly prototype was that Kipchoge used to run the sub 2 hour marathon, compared to what went in mass production.
I don't think your foot is supposed to move around inside the shoe. It should be secured to the drop in insole and move 1:1 or else your fit is not right.
Great video! Been looking for something like this since they announced the Jordan 39’s, which contain a drop in midsole. I’m an orthotic wearer and it looks like I’m out on this one. Unless you know something I don’t. Tried on a Zion 3 which is also a drop in midsole and all the store had was a size bigger than mine. It just didn’t work. Before I started wearing orthotics and I could never feel the cushion anyway, in drop in midsole shoes. Even on the zions I tried on without the orthotics, it felt like a dead shoe cushion wise. They just feel off stability wise as far as drop in midsole shoes.
You really can’t once the midsole is worn down- an orthotic can potentially extend the life a tad but once you lose the support of the midsole the shoe is pretty much done in terms of comfort
I would really like to hear some post op stories around returning to function and sports. As someone experiencing a botched Dwyer Heel Osteotomy procedure that may require a DO-OVER as it was misaligned and now elevated.. I am curious to your physician based outcomes. Just a thought.. Always appreciate the content
That would be a good topic for a live stream where people could send in xrays - sorry to hear you have to go back in but yeah if it’s elevated than yeah I’d want it redone
@@FootDoctorZach Would be happy to send you my image 1 week post op along with the post op report. Folks may gain a great deal of insight frankly. My area of focus is Molecular Medicine (oncology and hormones), but I have had plenty of graduate work in A & P to follow along
Hey Doc,ordered new balance fresh foam lav,walked around the house with my tennis socks on too and my heel kept slipping up abit my foot was rubbing against the back of the shoe . Not even a minute later I had this pain on my achilles tendon. The size seems fine,but why is that happening?
@@FootDoctorZach I'm honestly not sure..but I think its the v1,different color than your video but the exact same shoe. If the v2 has a bigger "N" logo then I bought the v1.
Hey doc, I’ve had two ACL injuries both knees in a span of 5 years. I tore my left ACL back in October and about to be cleared at my rehab. I had both injuries from playing flag football. In the midst of all this I played other sports and have never gotten hurt playing basketball. So I’m trynna look for a shoe that caters my foot. I’ve been flat footed since birth, so in your opinion what would be the best shoe for me? I’ve hopped in kobes, Lebrons, Curry’s hyperdunks and yeah I’ve had some shoes with drop in midsoles I’ve played in
@@FootDoctorZach I’ve played basketball competitively indoor and casually outdoor. I usually look for something with good cushion But for indoor what shoe would you recommend?
Just depends what your body responds to , I don’t have much experience with athletes in pumas so I can’t speak as intelligently on them until I get a few play tested
Hey Zach, I just got custom orthotics and I have a few different drop in mid sole basketball shoes that I use for hoops. Just wondering if I should be removing the drop in completely for the orthotics or should I attempt the orthotics on top (risking further instability). I'm going to continue to use these shoes so just wondering what makes most sense for my feet (gt cut and few different kobes)
Could this be a reason I tore my meniscus in Kobe 9? I tore it 3 years prior in Kobe 8. Idk I’ll never switch em up tho the grip of the shoe on court out ways the cons
I hate the drop in midsole for how it squeaks, i think it’s the design aspects where each strides acts differently to the carrier and to the drop ins, and the difference between the reaction cause pinches that squeaks? Is it just my experience?
@@FootDoctorZach oh wow, isn’t that supposed to mean it’s flawed by design? I wonder why it’s still very loved, Kobe’s sneakers mostly use this setup and as much as I like the aesthetics of the sneakers, the squeaks always broke the deals. Btw thanks for the confirmation and I’d love to see if you’d do reviews on retro sneakers like the Jordan 1s or the or the AF1s to see how it is for athletes back then and how far we’ve innovated.
What should i wear if i play basketball? I have collapsing arch on both feet. Should i add an insole for arch support on top of the stock insole of my basketball shoe?
Depends on your foot type - I wouldn’t be able to give specific recommendations without an exam unfortunately - my favorite for arch support are the KD14’s but I always take out the insole before putting an orthotic in
Hi Zach, With all due respect, I seriously suggest you to try out the gut cut yourself, you may be missing something with a mindset like that. I personally own a wide variety of different basketball shoes and insoles, and costume insoles. So far in my life, I played the best in the zoom gt cut. Now I took a look and the tennis shoes you have there actually has a very outdated system, I think it’s almost the same that Nike used on the Kobe 8s so very outdated. In my opinion the gt cut just has a improved system, it’s different please check it out, the insoles are kinda like the diabetes insoles with more wear it forms to your feet. And the cushion is similar to the zoom gp turbo so enough said I think you will actually end up liking them. Cause I can almost agree with every other video of yours. That’s my honest opinion and have a nice one!
I plan on reviewing them- i think for people who have the footwork required for a drop in they’re good but for anyone who has instability , needs an orthotic , or shears a lot they’re going to run into too much see sawing, wobbling / arch strain/ and abnormal midsole wear - that being said if you have the right footwork they can be a real asset - I just know at least with alot of pro athletes they don’t trust them either with the number of court athletes using standard vs drop in but that could change for sure and I’ll be on the wrong side of the debate - but that’s what makes these videos fun- looking forward to trying them- thanks for the comment 👍👍👍
The slapping explanation makes no sense, In these shoes with drop in midsoles your foot is pressed against the entire shoe like a sock, there is 0 movement thats why this type of shoe is amazing because you can stop and turn anywhere anytime because the shoe is literally your foot.
Your foot is directly on the midsole yep- but the midsole isn’t attached to anything below- it’s impossible to eliminate the micro motion- I’m not saying they’re bad for all people by any means but there are people who should avoid them - not all tech is good for all feet
Is this more of an issue for foot height within the shoe? As in the top of your foot not engaged with you the upper without even moving. I've played ball in the Kobe 8, Kobe 9, and Lebron 11 that had great drop in midsole systems. The algorithm sent me here because I recently purchased the Nike GT Cut that I'm eager to try on court.
I don’t think its so much foot height just that there’s potential instability in the frontal plane when cutting back and fourth- but some really like the freedom it gives too so different strokes for different folks
All this video did was teach me to take these types of contrarian reviews with a grain of salt, because I have never had any issues even remotely close to anything you’re talking about
How long do sneakers really last? ua-cam.com/video/6d_AiFEiM90/v-deo.html
I have worn drop-in midsoles for basketball exclusively for the past 4 to 5 years (and I am getting up there in age now). I actually find it difficult to go back to sown in midsoles. I think the video does make a few assumptions that are not exactly correct (IMO). A sown in midsole doesn't necessarily create greater stability for the foot. The midsole is firmly attached, not necessarily your foot. Depending on the fit of your shoe, players often have movement of their feet inside the shoe, even in sown in midsoles. Also, the drop in midsoles is usually so tight within the shoe that there isn't a whole lot of movement of the midsole itself. This brings up what I believe is the best benefit. With proper sizing, the drop-in midsole allows for a more snug 1 to 1 fit. The shoes often feel much more lightweight, flexible, and allow you to move more seamlessly on the court usually with incredible court feel. While I have not had any issues on the court, I could see how drop-in mid-soles could add stressors on the foot, especially in heavier athletes (you don't see a lot of centers playing in Kobe AD NXT 360s). That said, this particular shoe was designed for slashing/shifty guards, who tend to be lighter players who champion court feel. Finally, most basketball players/professional athletes use equipment that is different from what is sold at retail. The fact that Serena's design of the shoe is different, doesn't really say too much about drop-in midsoles themselves. That is kind of par for the course. All that said, even though I disagree with some points, I still think this was a great video.
Thanks! Yeah I just can’t get on board with that much micro motion in a shoe for the general public- I agree for more shifty side to side movement in a lighter player i think you’ll get more of a low to the ground lighter feeling but most people I see in my office for midfoot sprains or ankle sprains are due to unstable shoes- like I said the more areas of motion in the shoe the more opportunity for instability - that being said if you train your intrinsic muscles to use this kind of set up like you your brain just gets used to it and thrives in them
Agree
@@FootDoctorZach my kobe 11's have a drop in midsole but they are so low to the ground and there's an outrigger for lateral stability. i've never felt more stable playing in another shoe. and i'm someone who's sprained ankles pretty bad in pg's or lebrons.
what happens when you glue the drop-in midsole to the outsole by yourself?
@@sonnyyu386 no need to glue it down. the drop in midsoles are designed to not need glue.
Personally, I'm a 6'10 235 center and the best shoes I've ever worn are Way of Wade 808s 2/3s. I've been using these shoes for the past year, and I've only had one sprain (4 on each ankle at this point I think) that happened in the past year, and it was actually while wearing my old favourite shoes, the OMN1S by New Balance. The 808s are way tighter to the court so I can move much better than before, and the grip is amazing. Nothing moves inside the shoe. Personally don't see myself going back to anything not 808 until I try a drop in midsole from another brand maybe, but I love them.
This video is amazing . Packed with information that is extremely relevant to athletes. Could you please make a video comparing the Nike zoom cushion system to others like you have for the midsole foams? Would really appreciate your opinion on how good the cushion setup is for the Nike zoom unit.
Yup I will be doing that soon , once I get though the next 2 videos which are really labor intensive
She sacrificed cushion for court feel, they added a more cushioned for retail pairs, bc then consumers will complain they’re not comfortable and their feet hurt. Also external heel counters are what provide stability and width of the sneaker. I personally own the gt cut and I love them
Really interesting that you covered this. I’ve always felt that drop in mid soles kinds gimmicky, even with their benefits. I’m still really looking forward to picking up a pair of the GT Cuts once the blue color way drops. The shoes look amazing and seem to play that way as well judging from the reviews.
The GT cut has some other really great tech in it that makes up for the drop ins - I’m interested to try them
@@FootDoctorZach Oh for sure. The zoom strobel always delivers. Great blend of court feel and cushioning. Seems like a winner sore sure. I’d be down to hear your thoughts on it in a video.
Yup I’ll get to them at some point this summer
@@FootDoctorZach did you ever end up getting a pair? I got a pair and I love them. I play volleyball so maybe it's different than bball, but I don't feel any sliding at all. It's a snug fit and has great support. I'd love to hear your opinion.
Will be getting a pair soon after I work through a few others that I’ve been working on
Converse bb drop in react is an example, specially Ja Morant had his shoes modified "source from Nike report", because the shoes doesn't have shank plate.
But the others athele represent that Converse bb launch, they don't require modification, like Kelly Oubre.
This means that y'all need to know the take-away of the drop-in actually really important- that it mays do harm to you while functioning in them. Nike doesn't really address this health issue/ warning within their product- not that i n others can see on the website.
Really best advice is to see specialist if you aren't sure about these things. And this channel is awesome!
Thanks! Yeah i don’t think drop ins are inherently bad, just like you said, there are some issues with them that aren’t an issue with a traditional strobel / midsole
Yes!!! I have been waiting for a video like this, great video doc
Thanks! It was fun
1:34 almost exclusively wear drop in mid sole all star pro bbs. I’ve never had an issue with mid soles sliding around.
I just discovered your channel today and it's exactly the type of content I have been searching for, awesome stuff!
I've played basketball in a lot of shoes and personally I really don't like drop ins. for one thing I don't like the feeling of the surface of the foam underfoot, and several of nike's basketball shoes with drop ins also lack a torsion bar, and I find the midsole far too flimsy to prevent overflexing. Also as a flat footer that has overpronation issues, I find that drop in midsoles do nothing to prevent overpronation, in fact it makes it worse because the inside of my foot can freely sink into the midsole, amplifying overpronation, messing up my body alignment and leading to achilles tendon pain.
Anyway love the content man!
Thanks! - that an awesome analysis by the way
I really enjoy your vids and as a basketball player, appreciate you looking into the GT cut and specifically the drop in midsole.
I’ve had quite a different experience with drop in midsoles. I own a pair of Kobe AD NXT 360’s and Allstar pro BB’s which both utilize Drop-ins and they have been by far the most stable and 1 to 1 fitting shoes I’ve ever owned. For context, I’m am a pretty explosive basketball player and have preferred drop-ins over the traditional cushion setup sense playing in these models. The top layer of the drop-in midsole used in the Kobe model has a sticky material that locks your sock to the footbed and prevented my foot from moving around in the shoe. The shoe’s upper wraps my foot well enough that the drop-in is sandwiched tightly between my foot and the thin outsole. Lastly, I noticed that the drop ins have a shorter stack height than the traditional cushion setup which made me feel more stable and close to the ground but without sacrificed cushioning because it was directly under foot.
But, I’d love to discuss more about your findings on this if possible. I’ve been really interested in drop- in midsoles and value your expertise in this filed.
That’s awesome insight- I wonder if it’s the textured / tacky interface and glove like fit that you are feeling that is giving you that performance in spite of the drop in- I’ve had a few people comment on one side of the fence or the other today- I’d love to keep the topic going in future videos just because it fascinates me where people see benefits from it and other people don’t- at the moment I’m still steering my patients away from them but a shoe like the GT cut with the large surface area outsole and glove fit I still think is a winner of a shoe despite my reservations on the drop in
I also am #TeamMidsoleDropin. There is no better shoe to ball in than the Kobe 8-9, Lebron 11. Drop In is for me. Also some stablitity issues can be also seen on tradicional shoe construction, if not fitted right. On these type of shoes, sizing is critical and will not be well fitted to all types of feet. Serene Williams is a good example, but also some other athletes go the other way arround, they use the midsole modifies with more air (zoom) support, so the stack is higher ("unstable").
I like the hashtag- i think I’ll do a poll here in the community section and see who all is using them- I’d love to get a good debate on them as the tech keeps getting refined
@@FootDoctorZach the GT Cut might be Nikes greatest low top to date! Only thing it's missing is the Kobe logo on it!
I have and played in the new Jordan’s, KD’s, Labrons, GT jump, K. Thompson’s, and I keep going back to my GT Cut2. I love them! I don’t feel any instability and they fit me like a glove. I move faster and I’m more agile with GT Cut 2 than any other shoe.
Love your videos man super informative
Thanks! Glad you liked it
The Air Jordan 2012s had drop in midsoles that were touted as super customizable (e.g. full length zoom, forefoot zoom/heel Max Air, etc.). They felt exactly as you described - unstable. It felt like the shoe wasn't put together properly.
wow 🤯
i played in Kobes for the last two years of college and most of the time I was overseas/in minor leagues... always preferred models like the 10, AD, AD Mid, AD Exodus, etc that had traditional insoles/midsoles in comparison to drop-ins... the drop-ins almost make the insole and shoe feel like they arent in sync in my opinion...
...with all this being said, do you think Kobe was wearing customized shoes with no drop-in midsoles like Serena Williams in the Kobe 9s and 11s?
keep up the awesome work Doc
Thank you- from what I’ve seen it looked like drop ins but they could have been drop ins with his foot shape -
I really appreciate this video, drop in midsoles have always interested me and I love to see a video about them
I disagree with your theory of micro motion, I would argue that being caged in rubber and not having any exterior compression of the midsole is more stable. Also my other theory from wearing shoes, such as Kobe’s are the chassis system of having everything else built around you to keep the shoe minimal, yet supportive is better, however I can agree with your more official opinion and I would love to hear a follow up after you play some more in the GT Cut
It’s not my theory, it’s common practice in brace and orthotic making that you want to avoid micromotion and microtrauma as it can lead to instability and ulceration of the skin- I’ve talked to a few buddies who are collegiate basketball team docs and they won’t let their schools buy that design shoe- it’s an interesting phenomenon that it’s coming back into vogue but I’m still steering my patients away from them- just too much risk looking at the pure biomechanics
@@FootDoctorZach I have a question pertaining to I have popped blisters on both feet , and a match tomorrow, what is the way about treating this?
Unfortunately I can’t give medical advice outside of my clinic setting
@@FootDoctorZach ah I see
Never head about it. Interesting design
👍👍
Great topic to talk about. Can you do some sports insoles test? Right now I'm testing Orthomovement Sport Insole made in Sweden with some D3O technology and I'm kind of unsure whether it helps or not. I feel more relaxed after using them, but at the same time I don't see any benefits in speed or stability. Moreover, one insole is 50 grams! which adds to the weight of the shoe significantly.
That’s pretty heavy - I’m actually doing one now with a 200 dollar one vs a 25 dollar one
Thank you for this explanation
I wonder what he has to say after reviewing the Wade 808 2. I have not had any problems with drop in midsoles. Best traction due to the flexibility. It also molds to your feet.
Still same concerns - just because they’re good for some doesn’t mean they are for all
Your not supposed to wear othrotics with drop in shoes, and it depends on the drop in insole, your foot wont move independently in the way of wade 808 3 because of the design on the bottom and sides of the midsole so it doesnt move around in the shoe
Using regular insole in gt cut 2 instead of drop in is the best 💯
Great vid
Thanks! Glad you liked it
This really makes me wonder how different the Nike Alphafly prototype was that Kipchoge used to run the sub 2 hour marathon, compared to what went in mass production.
I like the drop insoles but the friction on my feet it creates is insane
I don't think your foot is supposed to move around inside the shoe. It should be secured to the drop in insole and move 1:1 or else your fit is not right.
That's what the parabolic zoom strobel in the gtcut is for.
Off topic, Dr. Zach, but I've always wondered what is the difference between Phylon and EVA?
Phylon is just EVA pellets which are compressed and molded
Great video! Been looking for something like this since they announced the Jordan 39’s, which contain a drop in midsole. I’m an orthotic wearer and it looks like I’m out on this one. Unless you know something I don’t. Tried on a Zion 3 which is also a drop in midsole and all the store had was a size bigger than mine. It just didn’t work. Before I started wearing orthotics and I could never feel the cushion anyway, in drop in midsole shoes. Even on the zions I tried on without the orthotics, it felt like a dead shoe cushion wise. They just feel off stability wise as far as drop in midsole shoes.
I had a Kobe with a drop in React in-sole. It felt great for the first month. However it bottomed out so fast and it was bone crunching.
r u talking about the kobe ad nxt 360?
1:29 sneak preview?
Thanks!
If I took out the midsole of a shoe and put a regular insole in it would it be okay to wear for walking or sports?
outside of basketball I don't see a good reason to wear a shoe with a drop in
Is Drop-in Midsoles the same as a midsole drop? I'm searching for new shoes and this is confusing so far.
Buy the gt cut and do a video on them plz
My asics reso 8 doesnt feel comfy after 3 months of use. Can you make a video how to remedy this with an insole?
You really can’t once the midsole is worn down- an orthotic can potentially extend the life a tad but once you lose the support of the midsole the shoe is pretty much done in terms of comfort
I would really like to hear some post op stories around returning to function and sports. As someone experiencing a botched Dwyer Heel Osteotomy procedure that may require a DO-OVER as it was misaligned and now elevated.. I am curious to your physician based outcomes. Just a thought.. Always appreciate the content
That would be a good topic for a live stream where people could send in xrays - sorry to hear you have to go back in but yeah if it’s elevated than yeah I’d want it redone
@@FootDoctorZach Would be happy to send you my image 1 week post op along with the post op report. Folks may gain a great deal of insight frankly. My area of focus is Molecular Medicine (oncology and hormones), but I have had plenty of graduate work in A & P to follow along
Yeah anytime you want to send it my email is thetennisprodoc@gmail.com
If I glued the drop in midsole in the shoe like a regular insole would it eliminate the stability issues?
Nope
Hey Doc,ordered new balance fresh foam lav,walked around the house with my tennis socks on too and my heel kept slipping up abit my foot was rubbing against the back of the shoe . Not even a minute later I had this pain on my achilles tendon. The size seems fine,but why is that happening?
Which one the v1 or v2?
@@FootDoctorZach I'm honestly not sure..but I think its the v1,different color than your video but the exact same shoe.
If the v2 has a bigger "N" logo then I bought the v1.
V1 has a lower ankle collar- allows more motion in certain foot types - If it were me I’d go to a traditional 3 piece tongue
Hey doc,
I’ve had two ACL injuries both knees in a span of 5 years. I tore my left ACL back in October and about to be cleared at my rehab. I had both injuries from playing flag football. In the midst of all this I played other sports and have never gotten hurt playing basketball. So I’m trynna look for a shoe that caters my foot. I’ve been flat footed since birth, so in your opinion what would be the best shoe for me? I’ve hopped in kobes, Lebrons, Curry’s hyperdunks and yeah I’ve had some shoes with drop in midsoles I’ve played in
Indoor or outdoor?
@@FootDoctorZach I’ve played basketball competitively indoor and casually outdoor. I usually look for something with good cushion But for indoor what shoe would you recommend?
I prefer boost or a full length zoom unit for any shock prone injuries - I’ve always been a fan of the hardens but that’s just me
@@FootDoctorZach okay gotcha... so new balance or puma setups aren’t as good?
Just depends what your body responds to , I don’t have much experience with athletes in pumas so I can’t speak as intelligently on them until I get a few play tested
Hey Zach,
I just got custom orthotics and I have a few different drop in mid sole basketball shoes that I use for hoops. Just wondering if I should be removing the drop in completely for the orthotics or should I attempt the orthotics on top (risking further instability). I'm going to continue to use these shoes so just wondering what makes most sense for my feet (gt cut and few different kobes)
I don't know what you have done, but i would remove the old insole and put only the custom
agreed when its too soft it leans toward comfort lifestyle and away from performance! XD
Exactly
Are you able to just take out the drop in insole and use ur own custom orthotic that would be fine. ?
No because then theres no midsole then- would be a crazy amount of shock in the leg even with an orthotic
What do you think about midsoles for flat feet? My 11y has to use it. (He play tennis) thanks!
I need to buy some of those cheaply, asap please if anyone knows where I can get them on the internet with international shipping
A lot of NBA players wear Kobe and GT Cut which have drop in mid soles
Yup- different strokes for different folks
Could this be a reason I tore my meniscus in Kobe 9? I tore it 3 years prior in Kobe 8. Idk I’ll never switch em up tho the grip of the shoe on court out ways the cons
Can i wear the nike zoom gt cut with the drop in midsole if i have flat feet? I wear orthotics in the nike kyire low 4
I hate the drop in midsole for how it squeaks, i think it’s the design aspects where each strides acts differently to the carrier and to the drop ins, and the difference between the reaction cause pinches that squeaks? Is it just my experience?
No that’s common from my dealings with athletes wearing them
@@FootDoctorZach oh wow, isn’t that supposed to mean it’s flawed by design? I wonder why it’s still very loved, Kobe’s sneakers mostly use this setup and as much as I like the aesthetics of the sneakers, the squeaks always broke the deals. Btw thanks for the confirmation and I’d love to see if you’d do reviews on retro sneakers like the Jordan 1s or the or the AF1s to see how it is for athletes back then and how far we’ve innovated.
Those 2012 air Jordan’s! 🗑 because the stability!
H! doctor zach, What is the best basketball shoe for combined SHIFTINESS + IMPACT PROTECTION?
Depends on your foot type but I like the mb1
What should i wear if i play basketball? I have collapsing arch on both feet. Should i add an insole for arch support on top of the stock insole of my basketball shoe?
Depends on your foot type - I wouldn’t be able to give specific recommendations without an exam unfortunately - my favorite for arch support are the KD14’s but I always take out the insole before putting an orthotic in
Well you can't wear orthotics with a drop in midsole the shoe won't fit
Yup
Yeah I couldn't stand the LeBron 11 drop ins
can you review som kobe models that have drop ins
those red shoes are those ugly drop in midsole styles.... those are the ones that put your feet in danger.
Hi Zach,
With all due respect, I seriously suggest you to try out the gut cut yourself, you may be missing something with a mindset like that. I personally own a wide variety of different basketball shoes and insoles, and costume insoles. So far in my life, I played the best in the zoom gt cut. Now I took a look and the tennis shoes you have there actually has a very outdated system, I think it’s almost the same that Nike used on the Kobe 8s so very outdated. In my opinion the gt cut just has a improved system, it’s different please check it out, the insoles are kinda like the diabetes insoles with more wear it forms to your feet. And the cushion is similar to the zoom gp turbo so enough said I think you will actually end up liking them. Cause I can almost agree with every other video of yours.
That’s my honest opinion and have a nice one!
I plan on reviewing them- i think for people who have the footwork required for a drop in they’re good but for anyone who has instability , needs an orthotic , or shears a lot they’re going to run into too much see sawing, wobbling / arch strain/ and abnormal midsole wear - that being said if you have the right footwork they can be a real asset - I just know at least with alot of pro athletes they don’t trust them either with the number of court athletes using standard vs drop in but that could change for sure and I’ll be on the wrong side of the debate - but that’s what makes these videos fun- looking forward to trying them- thanks for the comment 👍👍👍
I support drop in mid soles kobe hot me hip
The slapping explanation makes no sense, In these shoes with drop in midsoles your foot is pressed against the entire shoe like a sock, there is 0 movement thats why this type of shoe is amazing because you can stop and turn anywhere anytime because the shoe is literally your foot.
Your foot is directly on the midsole yep- but the midsole isn’t attached to anything below- it’s impossible to eliminate the micro motion- I’m not saying they’re bad for all people by any means but there are people who should avoid them - not all tech is good for all feet
So just remove it
Is this more of an issue for foot height within the shoe? As in the top of your foot not engaged with you the upper without even moving. I've played ball in the Kobe 8, Kobe 9, and Lebron 11 that had great drop in midsole systems.
The algorithm sent me here because I recently purchased the Nike GT Cut that I'm eager to try on court.
I don’t think its so much foot height just that there’s potential instability in the frontal plane when cutting back and fourth- but some really like the freedom it gives too so different strokes for different folks
All this video did was teach me to take these types of contrarian reviews with a grain of salt, because I have never had any issues even remotely close to anything you’re talking about