Salmon have been observed several miles into Oregon since the removal and we haven't even had a really good rain yet. 🤷♂️... I'd say it's gonna work. Gonna recover much faster than anticipated as well.
Removing the dams is one step in many that will be needed to restore the salmon in the Klamath basin. This dam removal will serve as an example for many other possible river restorations. Just as there is data from the Elwha River dam removals. The beginning of a new life for the Klamath basin.
@@frankalessio3374Nope. The Indian fishery is not the problem. Clear-cutting forest, industrial agriculture, and mostly those dams were the problem. The other problems will be dealt with soon.
@@frankalessio3374 Nope! The problem is not caused by netted fish. Did the nets turn the lake water green 80 mile upstream? No! The water turned green from slow nonmoving water held back by the dams. Do some research. Stop hating on the local tribes.
So yesterday the first Chinook passed where iron gate damn used to be for the first time in a hundred years! That's got to be a pretty good sign that this might just work out. Please locals, just come around to the idea that these fish are going to have access to some cold water up there that they haven't seen in a long long time.
And goodness, the guides are going to have so many clients coming up to see our Klamath as it once was and be able to fish for these beautiful salmon and Steelheads.
@@Luluwolf-m9gI've lived in the Jackson county, Siskiyou county region close to 40 years myself. I also worked for CDFW for 14 seasons on the Klamath River Project collecting much of the data that supports this project. I've done fish & wildlife work for USGS, BLM, ODFW and several private consultants. I have basically worked on fish & wildlife issues most of my life. I live a about 25 miles from the Klamath, and visit it weekly.
The removal of dams is indeed a wonderful thing, and salmon have already moved upstream beyond the dam sites. Millions of seeds have been planted, and river restoration is off to a good start. It makes me extremely happy, but there is still much to do to improve river quality and to restore wildlife. Many will whine and complain when instead, they could be helping, but that's the way people are these days. Meanwhile, amazing work is being done by great, dedicated people. I think it is awesome. I wish I was able to assist in the project, and I send my thanks to all that are involved.
I agree with you. I find it odd that those who complain will do absolutely nothing to help. But will criticize those who are helping. Two qualities that are common with haters. They spend a lot of time complaining and they are too lazy to do anything of value. Complainers and lazy. Not my favorite qualities. You tube is the perfect spawning ground for crybabies and haters. Yay for the Tribes and all the others who made this possible. You were able to pull this off despite the misinformed mob.
I'm unconvinced that the Elwha is necessarily a good analog for the Klamath. They are dramatically different. The Elwha is 420 miles North in a much colder and wetter environment. The Elwha is maybe 50 miles long, whereas the Klamath is 250 miles long. The Klamath may prove to recover much slower or faster than the Elwha. There are just too many variables.
It’s hard to believe that these dams came out in my lifetime. Congratulations to all the nations years of hard work of many dedicated people will have benefits that will help many generations to come. I hope those that oppose the damn removal will someday appreciate those benefits.!
@@frankalessio3374 Your rhetoric is getting old. I will say it again! The nets did not cause this problem. Foul water caused by the dams is and was the problem. Blaming the tribes for what the old white guys did is lame.
The rearing or spawning habitat is one loss which was huge; however, the river flows, large natural pulses or flooding periods were very consequential effects, too. Scouring of the river channel, natural flow regimes were, also,⁵ lost due to the dams. Downed woody debris, tree stumps and tree boles, limbs, other brush or any woody debris created habitat for insects, substrate to lay eggs on, life forms to live on, scouring material to form pools or slow water down was another contributing factor. Water temps were higher behind these dams.
You got it. Scouring is something that doesn't happen when dams control the flow unless they make it happen, and they don't! The poor sad Trinity, and the people that live along it have to deal with controlled flows on their river that causes the banks to become overgrown with willows that never get washed out by the natural flows causing the rivers to be essentially channelized. Silly humans
So yes, you got it. Scouring from natural flooding is what causes gravel bars to appear in place of willows, which naturally get cleared every year by natural flooding instead of choking the river into channelization
I so wish for the Owyhee dam to be gone. Owyhee river had sturgeon and other species of trout and salmon to name a few there's a good list of what was.
I would like to see UC Davis continue synoptic stream temperature monitoring, including Klamath Lake, from the headwaters to the mouth. Before dam removal (I hope they did this), and now after dam removal. Klamath Lake is a huge heat sink during the summer. My hypothesis is late summer stream temperature on the mainstem (fall chinook run timing)will see little change. But hey, prove me wrong. Another issue I have not seen discussed is predation by yellow perch in Klamath Lake. Out migration of smolts through Klamath Lake seems like a wild card to me.
USGS has historical data on water temps. It's the three reservoirs that were removed that warmed the river since all three drew water off the surface of the reservoirs to feed the penstock for the turbines. Klamath lake has always been Klamath lake, it seemed to support a productive fishery in the river until about 100 years ago. The main change to Klamath lake is all the nutrients and runoff that agricultural interests contribute. The yellow perch are a problem. When I first started fishing for red band trout in the early 1990's, there were no yellow perch in Klamath lake. Maybe a yellow perch eradication program should be implemented?
The restoration project and dam removals are in California. Klamath lake is in Oregon and is miles above all of the removed dams. Klamath lake is part of the future part of this project. Biggest hurdle is the farmers who use the lake water for irrigation. They have been in court fighting this out for decades. The current dam removals will open up mile and miles of upstream habitat below Klamath lake. Klamath lake will be phase two if possible. Flushing the green and foul water from Iron Gate and Copco was just the 1st of many steps in the river restoration. Something wonderful has begun. Yay!
@@GeorgeWHaydukeIII6396it was not given to the Shasta Nation. They were left out. It was given to the Shasta Indian Nation which is a different band entirely. Truly sad for the Shasta Nation..... My friend Betty Hall was not for dam removal and was vocal about trying to protect her ancestral lands. I miss her so very much.
remove dams to save the salmons environment ?? Fossil fuel extraction is unrestrained and will impact on the global environment, sea temperatures and rainfall .
The dams and power plants provide power for 70,000 households. To produce a similar amount of green energy, you could construct a large wind farm with about 70 wind turbines. However, wind is a less reliable energy source and you might run into issues with birds and noise from the turbines. I guess there will always be some inconvenience no matter which source of renewable energy you choose to utilize.
The Northwest over produces power on a daily basis. Hydro, wind and solar. The majority of power generated in Oregon is sold to other States. the power lost from the little worn-out dams was easily replaced. A six-acre solar farm produces about the same amount of power as both these dams. When the power company did the math and said the upgrades needed, for both dams was not worth the cost. Believe it! Pacific Corp cares more about money than all else. If they deemed if no viable to restore the dams. They used big math to decide that.
I wonder if building berms and swales on the banks of all the watersheds would help. They could filter and slow down the water, capturing it so it could feed streams and aquifers. It would be slowly released, building up the trees and other vegetation. This would also prevent wild fires and flooding/flash flooding. It would also increase wildlife habitat.
It's a start but by no means a fix too many variables too many sealions harbor seals merganzers cormorants etc . Drought ocean temps El Nino LA Nina etc etc
@@kirkstewart-vf6hgYou have absolutely no evidence that is the case. You are just trying to shift blame. There is only one problem, and that's capitalistic, greedy humans that exploit everything, and everyone they can. The sea lions and seals have been eating salmon for as long as there have been salmon. They aren't the problem. it's people like you that are the problem.
They should show real current conditions of the river along with pictures of the dead birds, beavers, otters, fish, deer and elk along the Klamath River due to the removal of the dams
So a few deer got stuck in the mud immediately after they drained Copco and all of the introduced, invasive, warm water fish that didn't belong there, died. As far as all of the birds, beavers, otters and elk, they are only in your imagination. Quit lying and trying to spread misinformation.
@brettmeamber3182 I did one better. I went to see with my own eyes. I did not see any dead birds, beavers, otters, or elk along or any where near the river. The only dead deer I saw were along the highway that had been hit by cars. Maybe they are there. I did not see any of what you described. The water is still cloudy and the river banks have silt along the edges. I drove from 10:00 am til it got dark along the unimproved roads and paved. Stopped at dozens of locations. Ending at upper Iron gate as the moon came up.
Oh wait tell you see how many animals died because of the damn lol multiple fish kills and a toxic river that poisoned people and dogs yearly . A giant bath tub in a high mountain desert full of blue green algae isn't feeding the river anymore
Would be helpful if you show us the photos or a reference? Immediately after dam removal, thousands of nonnative fish died. These were expected: they could only survive in the unnaturally warm lakes. About 4 deer died that sadly got stuck in the newly exposed mud. Salmon fry died after they were released in a difficult area of the river. Other than these months ago, there have been no recorded wildlife losses. We're in the area regularly and have seen no dead wildlife.
You can't see beyond your own nose. You have no long-term vision. The river is healing from the damage caused by the dams. It will heal soon, and your comments will be proven wrong.
What about the fish kills the damn literally caused ? Also it hasn't caused a fish kill . I live on the Klamath and the water is muddy now but the rain and high water will flush it out . And until a month ago I was catching salmon out of it . The damn caused more harm then good
That's absurd boring Walter. The entire ecosystem is rebounding faster than anyone ever expected. Salmon have already passed the old iron gate dam site and are now spawning in Jenny Creek. To keep saying that now leads one to believe that you must have some other agenda since you are such a naysayer.
@WalterBoring That is a flat out lie! I have driven the entire river. Have you? Most of the river is the same as it was. The water quality is improving every minute. Stop spreading BS
The Indian net fishery is very small, they only catch a small number of salmon for ceremonial use. It's not like they are just left in the river all the time. The Indians know what they are doing, and are very careful. They are not, and were never the problem. The dams were, and have always been the biggest problem. The dams are gone. They aren't coming back. Let the Indians manage the salmon like they did for the last 10,000 years. Things were fine until the dams were built.
You should research "California power grid". When the people that live in the vicinity of those dams plug their toaster into the wall they're not getting the power from those dams directly but from the grid which those dams contributed power to.
This is not as great as all of you think it is. In California you don’t have enough electricity as is. If you’re hot and the power is out I guess go for a swim in the river with no dams.
Deal with it. Tribes been living in desert conditions for 100s of years. It's called adaptation. You can't expect the environment to adapt to you, you have to adapt to the environment.
Because there were no "huge screw ups" The project is going as planned and fish will be spawning in the tributaries above the dams in a few weeks. Why do people like you want to spread lies about any projects that benefit the environment and fish & wildlife?
@@markhoerner2354 I feel no need to spoon feed you evidence. Stop being so lazy and spend 30 minutes reading. You will find all the evidence you need. This project is going better than anticipated. You should read why.
I get so tired of the Kum ba yah crap. The dams were needed when they were built. While it’s mind boggling to comprehend now No one seemed to understand or care how bad they were at the time. Yes, it took way too long to bring them down but being Indian or African American Professor has nothing to do with that. Typical state/national bureaucratic glacial efficiency is more to blame than anything. I’m glad they are gone but I’m sick of the imposed woke angle. Keep bringing them down but concentrate on the science.
@@ulfhdnr considering it's been a native and locally organized protest for I don't even know how long it's not a angle . It's what it's been the entire time . Tribes seeing the salmon and a way of life decline and fighting to get it back . Some things are indeed culturally significant
@ulfhdnr When I concentrate on the science. The science tells me the woke people as you call them are right. Woke or not. The dams are gone, and the restoration has already begun. You are getting hung up on semantics.
Salmon have been observed several miles into Oregon since the removal and we haven't even had a really good rain yet. 🤷♂️... I'd say it's gonna work. Gonna recover much faster than anticipated as well.
They are back already. Just stunning
Wonderful!! So happy for the tribes, salmon, ecosystems, fisheries, etc........❤😂🙏🐟❤️
Removing the dams is one step in many that will be needed to restore the salmon in the Klamath basin. This dam removal will serve as an example for many other possible river restorations. Just as there is data from the Elwha River dam removals. The beginning of a new life for the Klamath basin.
Removing the Nets should be the next step.
@@frankalessio3374Nope. The Indian fishery is not the problem. Clear-cutting forest, industrial agriculture, and mostly those dams were the problem. The other problems will be dealt with soon.
@@frankalessio3374 Nope! The problem is not caused by netted fish. Did the nets turn the lake water green 80 mile upstream? No! The water turned green from slow nonmoving water held back by the dams. Do some research. Stop hating on the local tribes.
Nature is resilient and has an amazing capacity to regenerate, especially with some encouragement.
So yesterday the first Chinook passed where iron gate damn used to be for the first time in a hundred years! That's got to be a pretty good sign that this might just work out. Please locals, just come around to the idea that these fish are going to have access to some cold water up there that they haven't seen in a long long time.
And goodness, the guides are going to have so many clients coming up to see our Klamath as it once was and be able to fish for these beautiful salmon and Steelheads.
@@karendurant4981Not anytime soon
@@Luluwolf-m9gWhat evidence do you have to back up your comment? Just your opinion, that's all. You sound extremely uninformed.
@@GeorgeWHaydukeIII6396 I live in S Oregon so I've seen it firsthand. What evidence do you have, other than this npr video?
@@Luluwolf-m9gI've lived in the Jackson county, Siskiyou county region close to 40 years myself. I also worked for CDFW for 14 seasons on the Klamath River Project collecting much of the data that supports this project. I've done fish & wildlife work for USGS, BLM, ODFW and several private consultants. I have basically worked on fish & wildlife issues most of my life. I live a about 25 miles from the Klamath, and visit it weekly.
The removal of dams is indeed a wonderful thing, and salmon have already moved upstream beyond the dam sites. Millions of seeds have been planted, and river restoration is off to a good start. It makes me extremely happy, but there is still much to do to improve river quality and to restore wildlife. Many will whine and complain when instead, they could be helping, but that's the way people are these days. Meanwhile, amazing work is being done by great, dedicated people. I think it is awesome. I wish I was able to assist in the project, and I send my thanks to all that are involved.
I agree with you. I find it odd that those who complain will do absolutely nothing to help. But will criticize those who are helping. Two qualities that are common with haters. They spend a lot of time complaining and they are too lazy to do anything of value. Complainers and lazy. Not my favorite qualities. You tube is the perfect spawning ground for crybabies and haters. Yay for the Tribes and all the others who made this possible. You were able to pull this off despite the misinformed mob.
Give it about 10 years, just like the Elwha river.
Exactly!! Idk why more people aren’t using the Elwah recovery as the main evidence that the Klamath will recover. It’s such a great analog!
I'm unconvinced that the Elwha is necessarily a good analog for the Klamath. They are dramatically different. The Elwha is 420 miles North in a much colder and wetter environment. The Elwha is maybe 50 miles long, whereas the Klamath is 250 miles long. The Klamath may prove to recover much slower or faster than the Elwha. There are just too many variables.
@@nikolatesla5553fish are already in Oregon, several miles up stream past the iron gate.
It won't take ten tears.
Wow! Good work. I look forward to the report at the end of this year when the dams are gone. 😊
me too! actually i'm looking forward to the next 4 years of reports so there'll be a solid 4-yrs-baseline / 4-yrs-after comparison
Looking Forward to New Registrations that apply to Everyone. Ban all Netting.
@@frankalessio3374 Let it go! This is not about that. The Tribes have every right to fish as they please. Your opinion will get little traction here.
It’s hard to believe that these dams came out in my lifetime. Congratulations to all the nations years of hard work of many dedicated people will have benefits that will help many generations to come. I hope those that oppose the damn removal will someday appreciate those benefits.!
Glad they are removing it!!
Now remove the Nets
Our enemies are to.
@@frankalessio3374 Your rhetoric is getting old. I will say it again! The nets did not cause this problem. Foul water caused by the dams is and was the problem. Blaming the tribes for what the old white guys did is lame.
The rearing or spawning habitat is one loss which was huge; however, the river flows, large natural pulses or flooding periods were very consequential effects, too. Scouring of the river channel, natural flow regimes were, also,⁵ lost due to the dams. Downed woody debris, tree stumps and tree boles, limbs, other brush or any woody debris created habitat for insects, substrate to lay eggs on, life forms to live on, scouring material to form pools or slow water down was another contributing factor. Water temps were higher behind these dams.
You got it. Scouring is something that doesn't happen when dams control the flow unless they make it happen, and they don't! The poor sad Trinity, and the people that live along it have to deal with controlled flows on their river that causes the banks to become overgrown with willows that never get washed out by the natural flows causing the rivers to be essentially channelized. Silly humans
So yes, you got it. Scouring from natural flooding is what causes gravel bars to appear in place of willows, which naturally get cleared every year by natural flooding instead of choking the river into channelization
ABOUT DAMN TIME, HELL YEAH
I so wish for the Owyhee dam to be gone. Owyhee river had sturgeon and other species of trout and salmon to name a few there's a good list of what was.
Glad to see this covered, but it would have been nice to see before the dam removals were completed and the revegetation work has begun.
There are tons of videos showing the lakes before, during and after the drawdowns. Dozens of them. REZ has their own youtube channel.
UC has pic of Atlantic for Klamath presentation
I would like to see UC Davis continue synoptic stream temperature monitoring, including Klamath Lake, from the headwaters to the mouth. Before dam removal (I hope they did this), and now after dam removal. Klamath Lake is a huge heat sink during the summer. My hypothesis is late summer stream temperature on the mainstem (fall chinook run timing)will see little change. But hey, prove me wrong. Another issue I have not seen discussed is predation by yellow perch in Klamath Lake. Out migration of smolts through Klamath Lake seems like a wild card to me.
USGS has historical data on water temps. It's the three reservoirs that were removed that warmed the river since all three drew water off the surface of the reservoirs to feed the penstock for the turbines.
Klamath lake has always been Klamath lake, it seemed to support a productive fishery in the river until about 100 years ago. The main change to Klamath lake is all the nutrients and runoff that agricultural interests contribute.
The yellow perch are a problem. When I first started fishing for red band trout in the early 1990's, there were no yellow perch in Klamath lake. Maybe a yellow perch eradication program should be implemented?
The restoration project and dam removals are in California. Klamath lake is in Oregon and is miles above all of the removed dams. Klamath lake is part of the future part of this project. Biggest hurdle is the farmers who use the lake water for irrigation. They have been in court fighting this out for decades. The current dam removals will open up mile and miles of upstream habitat below Klamath lake. Klamath lake will be phase two if possible. Flushing the green and foul water from Iron Gate and Copco was just the 1st of many steps in the river restoration. Something wonderful has begun. Yay!
I am form Bangladesh 🇧🇩 ✊
There's something about a free flowing river that appeals to everybody no matter where they come from. This is a wonderful thing finally
Free Our Rivers! We can make reservoirs that don’t impact our rivers!
Think globally, act locally!
Hopefully much of the re-exposed land will become State parks.
That will be up to the Shasta Nation. They are now the owners and they will do with it what they see fit.
@@GeorgeWHaydukeIII6396it was not given to the Shasta Nation. They were left out. It was given to the Shasta Indian Nation which is a different band entirely. Truly sad for the Shasta Nation..... My friend Betty Hall was not for dam removal and was vocal about trying to protect her ancestral lands. I miss her so very much.
Not anytime soon
The re-exposed land will become riverbank and meadow. It will be a mix of private property and tribal land.
Salmon is life 🐟💯
It will take years for the ecosystem to return
The ecosystem never disappeared, it just changed for the worst. The ecosystem is recovering quickly and will be functioning as is used to really soon.
It has already been one year since they began to draw down the lakes. Fish were seen miles upstream from iron Gate.
remove dams to save the salmons environment ?? Fossil fuel extraction is unrestrained and will impact on the global environment, sea temperatures and rainfall .
Uh, okay....🤔
😂i havent seen much on re stocking in the head waters. maybe they want the salmon to come back naturally.
They restock below the head waters.
Minimal interference…
Could have used more facts about the river and dams and less social justice crap.
The dams and power plants provide power for 70,000 households. To produce a similar amount of green energy, you could construct a large wind farm with about 70 wind turbines. However, wind is a less reliable energy source and you might run into issues with birds and noise from the turbines. I guess there will always be some inconvenience no matter which source of renewable energy you choose to utilize.
Life is about trade-offs. Sacrificing the salmon for your cheap power was judged to not be a wise trade-off.
The Northwest over produces power on a daily basis. Hydro, wind and solar. The majority of power generated in Oregon is sold to other States. the power lost from the little worn-out dams was easily replaced. A six-acre solar farm produces about the same amount of power as both these dams. When the power company did the math and said the upgrades needed, for both dams was not worth the cost. Believe it! Pacific Corp cares more about money than all else. If they deemed if no viable to restore the dams. They used big math to decide that.
I wonder if building berms and swales on the banks of all the watersheds would help. They could filter and slow down the water, capturing it so it could feed streams and aquifers. It would be slowly released, building up the trees and other vegetation. This would also prevent wild fires and flooding/flash flooding. It would also increase wildlife habitat.
Removing the dams is the biggest bang for the buck when it comes to restoring the Klamath and all the fish and wildlife species.
Beaver will move in and help
😂😂😂
It's a start but by no means a fix too many variables too many sealions harbor seals merganzers cormorants etc .
Drought ocean temps El Nino LA Nina etc etc
All of those issues are being worked on too. This was the biggest problem, that's why it was resolved first.
Until the marine mamal act is relaxed the salmon and steelhead are doomed.
@@kirkstewart-vf6hgYou have absolutely no evidence that is the case. You are just trying to shift blame. There is only one problem, and that's capitalistic, greedy humans that exploit everything, and everyone they can. The sea lions and seals have been eating salmon for as long as there have been salmon. They aren't the problem. it's people like you that are the problem.
They should show real current conditions of the river along with pictures of the dead birds, beavers, otters, fish, deer and elk along the Klamath River due to the removal of the dams
So a few deer got stuck in the mud immediately after they drained Copco and all of the introduced, invasive, warm water fish that didn't belong there, died.
As far as all of the birds, beavers, otters and elk, they are only in your imagination. Quit lying and trying to spread misinformation.
@brettmeamber3182 I did one better. I went to see with my own eyes. I did not see any dead birds, beavers, otters, or elk along or any where near the river. The only dead deer I saw were along the highway that had been hit by cars. Maybe they are there. I did not see any of what you described. The water is still cloudy and the river banks have silt along the edges. I drove from 10:00 am til it got dark along the unimproved roads and paved. Stopped at dozens of locations. Ending at upper Iron gate as the moon came up.
Oh wait tell you see how many animals died because of the damn lol multiple fish kills and a toxic river that poisoned people and dogs yearly . A giant bath tub in a high mountain desert full of blue green algae isn't feeding the river anymore
Would be helpful if you show us the photos or a reference? Immediately after dam removal, thousands of nonnative fish died. These were expected: they could only survive in the unnaturally warm lakes. About 4 deer died that sadly got stuck in the newly exposed mud. Salmon fry died after they were released in a difficult area of the river. Other than these months ago, there have been no recorded wildlife losses. We're in the area regularly and have seen no dead wildlife.
how did all this wildlife die??
I am glad it’s gone also but does it rain every single day 365 days a year to keep that river flowing?
Check all coastal rivers on the Oregon coast. They all flow all year long and have for millennia.
You haven't noticed big rivers flowing in places where it doesn't rain every single day? Come on..... Really?
Snow melt and ground water contribute to keeping rivers free flowing throughout the year.
remiving those dams has destroyed the river system. its an absolute disaster now. massive fish kill.
You can't see beyond your own nose. You have no long-term vision. The river is healing from the damage caused by the dams. It will heal soon, and your comments will be proven wrong.
What about the fish kills the damn literally caused ? Also it hasn't caused a fish kill . I live on the Klamath and the water is muddy now but the rain and high water will flush it out . And until a month ago I was catching salmon out of it . The damn caused more harm then good
That's absurd boring Walter. The entire ecosystem is rebounding faster than anyone ever expected. Salmon have already passed the old iron gate dam site and are now spawning in Jenny Creek. To keep saying that now leads one to believe that you must have some other agenda since you are such a naysayer.
@WalterBoring That is a flat out lie! I have driven the entire river. Have you? Most of the river is the same as it was. The water quality is improving every minute. Stop spreading BS
NO
They will never survive if You leave Your Nets in the River.
The Indian net fishery is very small, they only catch a small number of salmon for ceremonial use. It's not like they are just left in the river all the time. The Indians know what they are doing, and are very careful. They are not, and were never the problem. The dams were, and have always been the biggest problem. The dams are gone. They aren't coming back. Let the Indians manage the salmon like they did for the last 10,000 years. Things were fine until the dams were built.
@@GeorgeWHaydukeIII6396 thank you George, you're a light in what seems to be a pretty dark room. Keep up the good work:)
Go away! You and you good ole boys are going to be just fine. You will still be able to drink beer and fish.
Oh, are these people going to stop living like modern humans now?
What do you mean ?
You should research "California power grid". When the people that live in the vicinity of those dams plug their toaster into the wall they're not getting the power from those dams directly but from the grid which those dams contributed power to.
This is not as great as all of you think it is. In California you don’t have enough electricity as is. If you’re hot and the power is out I guess go for a swim in the river with no dams.
California has plenty of power. The outages are rare, and only happen when the tech-bros start mining too much Bitcoin.
the dams were obsolete and the power companies didnt want to rebuild anyway. waa waa!
I love to swim in the river when it gets hot. California has plenty of power.
Deal with it. Tribes been living in desert conditions for 100s of years. It's called adaptation. You can't expect the environment to adapt to you, you have to adapt to the environment.
@ I don’t have to. I live on the Great Columbia River where the awesome hydroelectric dams are and I love electricity and water!!!
Nice propaganda piece. Why nothing on the huge screw ups they have made on the dam removals so far?
Because there were no "huge screw ups" The project is going as planned and fish will be spawning in the tributaries above the dams in a few weeks. Why do people like you want to spread lies about any projects that benefit the environment and fish & wildlife?
Please provide facts and evidence. I’m interested. Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
@@GeorgeWHaydukeIII6396perfect. Thank you for your diligence George.
@1savage99 Tell us all about the huge screw ups! Where are you getting your information? The local bar?
@@markhoerner2354 I feel no need to spoon feed you evidence. Stop being so lazy and spend 30 minutes reading. You will find all the evidence you need. This project is going better than anticipated. You should read why.
I get so tired of the Kum ba yah crap. The dams were needed when they were built. While it’s mind boggling to comprehend now No one seemed to understand or care how bad they were at the time. Yes, it took way too long to bring them down but being Indian or African American Professor has nothing to do with that. Typical state/national bureaucratic glacial efficiency is more to blame than anything. I’m glad they are gone but I’m sick of the imposed woke angle. Keep bringing them down but concentrate on the science.
That makes no sense whatsoever to me. I personally am happy to see spawning salmon in Jenny Creek already. You should be too ya old stick in the mud.
@@ulfhdnr considering it's been a native and locally organized protest for I don't even know how long it's not a angle . It's what it's been the entire time . Tribes seeing the salmon and a way of life decline and fighting to get it back . Some things are indeed culturally significant
"Woke" is synonymous with "developmental maturity" in psychological and philosophical terms. You are not taking any high ground here.
@ulfhdnr When I concentrate on the science. The science tells me the woke people as you call them are right. Woke or not. The dams are gone, and the restoration has already begun. You are getting hung up on semantics.
So still nothing new from the last 5 updates😢