Man it was really cool to see someone else mention running a medic role. Truly, if you like running support for your team, here’s my loadout, every time I see anyone running recoiless rifle. HMG JAR-5 Gas nade/Stun nade Stim pistol Peak physique AC Sentry EAS Supply Pack I run around stimming the fk out of people keeping them moving through the whole mission, while also keeping the RR guy topped off with ammo. After the team sees what I’m doing, they never hog supplies, I just fill my supply pack with the resupply strategem and we keep moving. The other thing I’ve done, is give the RR guy my supply pack, I take his rocket back pack, refill his rockets while he replaces them with my supply pack. Truly glorious.
Yeah damn those people who mindelessly bash bugs! How dare they enjoy blasting off bugs and running in with them instead of hiding behind rocks and getting ragdolled by the bots all the time? Blasphemous!
Hold your throw button for thermite spikes to extend then huck it at target. The spikes help stick to armor if you just quick throw to close the spikes dont deploy in time bouncing off.
Yeah ideally the DSS should be wherever the MO is. But then again you have those MOs where it's both sides. And the station can only be on one planet, so where does it go when the planet it's initially on isn't the frontline anymore? Do the buffs apply to the entire region? It'll be fun regardless but sounds like this war's about to get organised in some way.
I caught the tail end of that stream, and Butters, you were not happy! I have them days in game where I feel like I'm bug/bot target #1, and I can't even move without dying
I hope the space station lives in the sector of wherever the major order is. Then players vote on which planet it will orbit in that sector. So players can decide by biome.
That need to work the app INTO the game.. I hate games that have a separate thing I need to figure out on my phone before I start playing. It's dumb, put that info on the planets when you hover over them with the cursor. There, no need for a useless app now. 👍
@@lastlight05 destiny has an app to manage inventory on your phone and grab stuff from vault when you actually in a raid or something, so you can use without going to the tower. maybe thats where companion apps started.
Oh yea, the good old MMO days. Picture getting accepted into the guild you have been trying to join, but you only get accepted into their application guild. Then you have to “prove yourself” in one of the lower tier guilds while waiting acceptance into the main guild. Thinking back on it now, sounds crazy lol.
I will die on this hill, but I think if you don't participate in completing at least one operation for the major order, you shouldn't get medals for it. Also as far as platoons go, just remember, officers always work less than enlisted. If you're concerned about playtime, that's my excuse. Lol
This man speaks TRUTH! NCO's are the backbone of the military. Although being part of the A-Team I don't wanna have to get a lobotomy to be an officer.
And good officers consult their far more experienced Enlisted Sergeants for advice and information before making decisions. It's not a simple one way street in a healthy command chain. Information goes up the chain so good orders can come down it.
With a buddy, we subjectively feel like sometime the difficulty is variable. Sometime we just breeze through the mission, sometime the enemy are so incredibly aggressive and aggro from everywhere. We had multiple cases where we would aggro ALL the POIs of the map just by attacking one. How we would figure that out ? because after 10mn of hell, all the POIs would be empty of guards, even to the other side of the map. It happened with bots and bugs as well.
I was an Illmanate fighter in the first game I for one state that the community is asking for a pandora's box to be opened that should remain closed until the DEVS fix the game propper.
Im not too sure if you guys noticed in the last patch that they nerfed the headshot damage received, but we now take additional limb damage. I've died more since the last update than I have in the last three months of playing. Armor doesn't even matter.
Vs bots i started rocking crossbow, laz-dagger, thermite, throw distance armor. 380mm, 500kg, recoiless rifle, HMG Emplacement. Biggest thing is the HMG Emplacement to take down gunships and can also take down hulks and mass amount of units if in a good position. I rarely feel like oh no im helpless.
The issue should basically go with the major orders. Especially where it's needed most, for example we're about to lose a planet it would go there to support. It's literally the perfect way to control the populous. The platoon will only be an issue with drama if they create a risk reward situation for the platoons. For example if we fail we all fail kinda bs. If they make it pure buff only for let's say the more squads you have from the same platoon working on the same planet you get reward bonuses, like remainder supply can be shared or something.
I only played one game yesterday but it was fantastic. There was a factory strider guarding one fabricator and a ton of bots dropped in. Was a 5 minute pitched battle going back and forth just to fight through the bots and get the fabricator. Felt amazing, loving the game again.
I disagree about peak physique and the Recoilless. I've been using a pretty similar build, but with engineering kit instead, as the extra thermites allow for one diver to clear an entire bot base solo.
I think it would be dope if they used the DSS as a prop for us to hate illuminates when they release. What if we complete it this month, get a few days to celebrate and fall in love with it… then when the Illuminates show up (liberty day?) they launch a surprise attack on it - killing a million Helldivers and knocking the space station out of commission for a few more major orders. That shit would turn me to even more of a space racist than I already am. Could be super earth’s new Pearl Harbor
I think we're gonna end up with each platoon getting their own DSS and the platoon votes for where it goes and what super strats it's equipped with at any given time. Maybe the platoon has a place to donate their extra samples to upgrade their platoon's DSS
We do take more damage on our limbs. Thats why its harder. We kill faster but also die faster. For bots im running the armor with 50% limb health and benefit from being able to throw stuff farther.
You fight guild drama by giving your section chief actual power to moderate, and an appeals period each month to fight any major decision made by a single S.C. Thats how my guild ran it, class leads in charge of the people for our class, and the leads all answered to the GM or majority rule of the other leads.
Nope you are not. These people whining about new armors, weapons, etc. Lack the foresight that if you cannot run it your shiny new toy doesn't mean jack. They won't be able to play instead of always threatening to stop playing.
I like the gas strike, but I feel, after this update, somehow I end up in someone's gas and I can't find my way out. I wish there was some sort of indicator on the map, showing the gas area.
So this will never happen but I think one of the easiest ways to mitigate that would be if your helldiver specifically has more Bots kills than bug kills your vote counts for 1.5 instead of one
I prefer bugs as well, but I'll fight bots if it's a major order or even just a cool planet. I think the whole bug diver thing is overblown. When we were liberating Galivere it was like 3 of of 4 divers fighting bots
@@terryjones2467 Purely because of the MO was different and special. Regular bot MOs have 40% of players playing bugs. But whenever there has been a Bug MO, only 15-20% stayed fighting bots.
I have to admit sometimesnit is hard to find the planet. I had spent time looking for it noticed it was captured moved on to the next planet to keep it from getting pushed. But I spent probably 5 minutes looking.
Im prettu sure it will be a multiple choice vote amongst 3 or 4, or even 2 planets. We could choose based on how many debuffs the planet has. Harder planets need all the help they can get.
One of the updates was to the overall damage we take, so now we take 50% less headshot dmg, but that was spread across our whole body so i saw some where we're on average taking something like 15% more damage in general, and certain weapons if they hit you in the chest and you're wearing light armor will just straight up one shot you now, so thats probably a good part of the reason you feel squisher. (see Earvin's video a few days ago for more info)
So everything is shared and the drops are only 4 man, so I think that limits a LOT of the drama. As far as leadership goes, I'm on the Discord and will probably start dropping with other Salty Divers soon, and I left my rank at Cadet and I'm level 42 if that tells you anything lol.
Bots wrecked may shit yesterday without killing me. I was literally laying on the floor with no health no stims , and a broken leg praying my rando teammate heard my cries.
i've been running only 8s since the new patch came out for the only reason that i still haven't saved enough money to buy my kid a new monitor, headset, psplus, and helldivers so he can dive with me and we can unlock 10s together.
I think the developers need to touch on sub difficulty I do believe it's a thing. I've played some level 10s that feel like sevens and others that feel like 15s. And I do believe it has something to do with the Decay rate of a specific planet.
They could put a DSS on each faction and the votes will come from the current players on esch faction. Or they should add more lore/story and chose on which faction it goes but the votes go on a specific planet
Lvl 7 bots are comparable to a helldive against bugs. Also I don't think the bot fear mechanic works like it used to with suppressing fire. My normal playstyle is orbital gatling and the AC so I can do suppressive fire and are damage, and the bots just wat that now.
the entire DSS drama can be avoided by making it clan based so only the clan votes where its going not the entire playerbase that way bot divers will have dss support on their side and the bug clans can have their clan station where they want
There is no way we need the dss on the bug side... bro those poor ragdoll divers need all the help they can get. Us who can stay on thier feet. Should just fight harder. Honestly it's been weeks since I played bots. Ragdoll is just not fun. If I'm totally honest the game puts me off itself were I have to take a month's break every so often. Glitches that have persisted since day one, plus other things make it feel not worth it after a while.
It's too funny how they said they wanted to reduce ragdolling, meanwhile they made the dumb bunker turret that ragdolls you by missing you mobile by slapping it on a hulk 😂
Bots are ridiculous now ! They said ohh you want to complain ok and now where being punished in bots ! They shoot through rocks , walls, there aim is perfect !
I used to just stand in front of rocket soldier casually reloading and scratching my nuts with no fear of them aiming in my general direction. Their aiming was laughably bad and now it's way better. Lasers from striders and hulks oh also machine gun nest (WTF range and volume) are lethal now. Heavy devastator are not overheating like they said they would 2 patches ago. I play at lv 9 and now fail almost 50% of times instead of maybe 10-15% before. Somehow the bots move differently now they seem to encircle you comming from every angle instead of marching in files shouting Derp To America.
Yeah the MG nests are pretty crazy. I used to go running to to them to get shots on with the plasma pun and you'd get the occasional hit. Now I just AC that things from around 200m out - you run toward them and they'll kill you straight. Now if those guns were as accurate even I use them sure. But they do seem a bit much at times.
Oh man i miss those days of WoW. before even doing server changes, you had to go to the guilds website, fill out n app there, then you will get msg'd by an officer of said guild, then you would do a voice chat interview over ventrillo. Edit: should try the crossbow + riot shield. havnt checked myself yet since i havent unlocked the new warbond but i believe the medic stim side arm can be used with the riot shield. If done correctly you could even be used AS cover, teammate goes prone and you can provide some cover via the riot shield. gotta kinda be coordinated for the most part, doesnt work that well vs explosives tho lol
"don't make this a voting system" we already have it though. Players in general already go to the highest population especially within major orders in an effort to help. That's effectively voting itself. Going into a station to submit a vote, needing to read through stuff should help I think. But then again, given the real world election here in the US of people really wantting to vote for a convicted felon, who knows.
I nominate myself for Chief Medical Officer, and simultaneously just happy I didn't get banned during this podcast LOL.... Also I can pull double duty as the Chaplan!!
I feel mean for agreeing on the whole "do we need to highlight everything for people?" but it really does feel like a lot of people just don't think about things or are notably oblivious and just go "big yellow number? I go here!" and wooop, the red/yellow planet connected to the MO planet launches an attack on the last day and we have to defend it overnight or lose the MO. Happens in every game though not just HD2, many people are just oblivious unless things are explicitly told to them and even then it's a 50/50, i do it sometimes and most people i know have moments where they just cant figure out seemingly obvious things because I/they don't even attempt to think about it and just go "me no understand, me angry" or blindly follow the teammate blob around.
4:14 i had a simular experince today a hulk hit next to me sent me flying like 15 meters to the right just as i was about to land it hit under me sending me flying up in the air. then shot me like a clay pigeon. i was laughing my ass off cuz it was epic looking however it was very unfair lol.
10:15 are you sure about that ? I was under the impression that each Platoon will have it's own DSS essentially and the Platoon decide where to bring it every 24h ? At least that what I gather from listening to Eravin's Video about the DSS and the leaks he gathered.
I don't think they buffed the enemies maybe its just how they Changed how our limbs take damage? Like YAY we take less headshot damage.... but our limbs take more damage now. We are dying in 2 or 3 hits now, and with the Resistance BOOST I'll be on 1 HP from 2 Warrior swipes. On the one hand, Bots tend to AIM for your head so that helps a little but.... Bugs and Stray shots will end up hitting your Limbs and GOD THAT HURTS NOW! A single Impact grenade will also nuke a Rocket Strider since it will detonate the Missiles and kill it.
The space station being directed democratically is not a problem. To quote Stalin: "I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this-who will count the votes, and how." If you think about it, managed democracy could mean a number of things... such as the above. Or another note: I hated the interview process to join wow guilds. I hope the devs don't implement systems that create such toxic environments.
Yeah. I get wanting to weed out the scrubs if your world first type guild. But the problem was everyone thought they were a world first type of guild. lol.
@@SaltyNerdGaming I think it's more than that. The raids are a big time investment, both in gameplay and in planning. So if you take bad people, you are going to waste your time. There is this really great video called "why it's rude to suck at wow". If you run into some bad players in HD2, you waste maybe 30 minutes and then you queue with a different group or you change the difficulty. If you decide to raid with bad people, you will waste 3+ hours.
I'm honestly real optimistic about the Platoon system. Sure there will be some drama from time to time but if it's anything like the Discord these past months I think the shits gonna be lit 🔥 🫡
I genuinely don't know if they are some new warriors, red colored that are faster and super aggressive. If you are in close proximity they two shot you almost everytime.
I had my concerns when I heard about the voting system, but it is MANAGED democracy, I think it would be interesting if player votes weren’t all the same value. Maybe attributing some amount of points to your vote based on your level or something could interesting.
Yes, please help educate people on the decay rates, defensive gambit, etc. People have no clue how the galactic war works. The mechanism that makes it work are hidden.
It's not going to be an MMO guild. That's a whole level of infighting and bullshit the devs have no interest in. You'll get buffs etc for doing things together maybe but no-one is getting unique special weapons etc that'll cause that level of BS.
Burned out after playing for 3 weeks and now I'm starting to play Helldivers 1 since it's on special rn in the PS Store and so far I'm having more fun tbh.
I mostly play on the BoT side, Bugs too easy for me on LVL 10. What I will not like if the Space Station becomes a vote, the Bug Divers will mainly keep it on the bug front.
Hopefully it's not a pure democracy vote, but a "managed" Democracy where they tell us where it's needed. If they limited Stratagem slots farthest from the MO' that would make sense, because the war effort is focused elsewhere.. SO on the MO/War Front we'd have EXTRA stratagems at our disposal.
voting is a horrible idea...especially on the internet. I mean I would personally vote to send the DSS to a planet that benefits no one. Why? because it would piss off everyone.
Did they nerf the Recoiless Rifle against Bot Drop Ships!? ? ? I can't seem to break the ships in half now :( Great show as always guys, P.S. Dutch is at his best when he's in a sh@tty mood :)
@@SaltyNerdGaminghitting the engine simply knocks the ship down, hitting the middle kills all the bots that come with the ship and/or heavily damaging more tanker units.
The RR was not nerfed, sometimes you can hit the bots that the dropship is carrying, therefore not hitting the ship and therefore not destroying it. Make sure to actually hit the ship.
Gotta admit, this 'democratic voting' also has me worried. But let's see, AH isn't the best at explaining stuff when it hasn't been released, maybe there's more to the DSS than what's already been said.
Do you guys have any plans to check out starship troopers extermination? It releases soon. I'm thinking for me it will be a great compliment to helldivers 2. I was watching a live stream with the head project lead guy and I think the graphics designer. They were saying they wanted to go the whole galactic war thing like helldiver's. Ow here's a planet go take it in 5 days for x y and z rewards. But also I was wondering do you think helldivers is kinda trying to get everything right and get as much out as possible. Because so many new games are about to be hitting the market or already on it. Space Marines 2, starship troopers extermination, dragonage veilguard. Then you got your every year games like call of duty and such. Maybe they are trying to hold onto that player base alittle tighter. But also I want your opinion on if you think starship troopers and helldivers will have a bit of a war. So to speak for players. Since they both are doing the whole galaxy war thing. The forever war thing.
We have a SM community on discord which we support. But it’s not really a game we personally find all that fun. But if that’s your jam we think that’s great.
25:32 you can either interview or you can have people in your raid group who like to grief people if they dont get what they want first and will leave for another guild when they've used up the efforts of 39 other people. Ever wonder why 40 mans became the exception? Because no 40 people had the appeite to have their time leached by some toxic player. I agree doi g a full interview process is a bit much, but raiding WAS an unpaid job that you had to pay 12-15 a month for, complete with prepwork crafting and gathering/loot farming. Beleieve me you dont want to be interviewed for a guild position? I get it, but I've run guilds that were the fun side/sister guild of raid guilds and somethjbg that leads to massive levels of in guild tension is when a player basically steals 39 peoples work to walk away with no benefit to the other 39. I've seen guilds break up over inviting someone into the guild who siphibs off resources, which got easier with the guild bank. I think a quick application and 10 minute talk / 1 week trial isnt a huge thjnf for people to put up with, but then again, I've been into MMOs and dealt with toxic players since EQ. That said I dont think its an issue with HD2 since the worst that can happen is a person acts like a chaos diver, which would likely get them banned from groups.
@SaltyNerdGaming I got to Dutch play and enjoyed the hell out of it. Now I want to see them stealth skills Salty was talking about but definitely would enjoy watching Dutch stream it again as well.
Remember, we love managed democracy. Regular democracy is inferior
Hell yeah brother!
Man it was really cool to see someone else mention running a medic role. Truly, if you like running support for your team, here’s my loadout, every time I see anyone running recoiless rifle.
HMG
JAR-5
Gas nade/Stun nade
Stim pistol
Peak physique
AC Sentry
EAS
Supply Pack
I run around stimming the fk out of people keeping them moving through the whole mission, while also keeping the RR guy topped off with ammo.
After the team sees what I’m doing, they never hog supplies, I just fill my supply pack with the resupply strategem and we keep moving.
The other thing I’ve done, is give the RR guy my supply pack, I take his rocket back pack, refill his rockets while he replaces them with my supply pack. Truly glorious.
I am not that concerned about the DSS. I think the people that mindlessly bash bugs don't pay enough attention to vote.
Recently got some friends to enlist and one of them doesnt even know the major order exists.
haha good point.. i am one of them...
Yeah damn those people who mindelessly bash bugs! How dare they enjoy blasting off bugs and running in with them instead of hiding behind rocks and getting ragdolled by the bots all the time? Blasphemous!
L comment. The fact you got beyond a handful of likes on that is sad af. Can't stand sweats like you.
Hold your throw button for thermite spikes to extend then huck it at target. The spikes help stick to armor if you just quick throw to close the spikes dont deploy in time bouncing off.
Great tip didn't know that
Yeah ideally the DSS should be wherever the MO is. But then again you have those MOs where it's both sides. And the station can only be on one planet, so where does it go when the planet it's initially on isn't the frontline anymore? Do the buffs apply to the entire region? It'll be fun regardless but sounds like this war's about to get organised in some way.
I caught the tail end of that stream, and Butters, you were not happy! I have them days in game where I feel like I'm bug/bot target #1, and I can't even move without dying
Unhappy is a very polite word for what I was feeling at that moment. Lol
I hope the space station lives in the sector of wherever the major order is. Then players vote on which planet it will orbit in that sector. So players can decide by biome.
YEEESSSS PLEASE
Only problem is that there have been some major orders that include both fronts.
It seems players will be allowed to vote where to allocate the DSS, it will be mobile
That need to work the app INTO the game.. I hate games that have a separate thing I need to figure out on my phone before I start playing. It's dumb, put that info on the planets when you hover over them with the cursor. There, no need for a useless app now. 👍
@@IkeMcKike couldn’t agree more
There's an app??
@@lastlight05 destiny has an app to manage inventory on your phone and grab stuff from vault when you actually in a raid or something, so you can use without going to the tower. maybe thats where companion apps started.
Oh yea, the good old MMO days.
Picture getting accepted into the guild you have been trying to join, but you only get accepted into their application guild.
Then you have to “prove yourself” in one of the lower tier guilds while waiting acceptance into the main guild. Thinking back on it now, sounds crazy lol.
I will die on this hill, but I think if you don't participate in completing at least one operation for the major order, you shouldn't get medals for it.
Also as far as platoons go, just remember, officers always work less than enlisted. If you're concerned about playtime, that's my excuse. Lol
This man speaks TRUTH! NCO's are the backbone of the military. Although being part of the A-Team I don't wanna have to get a lobotomy to be an officer.
Completely agree.
And good officers consult their far more experienced Enlisted Sergeants for advice and information before making decisions.
It's not a simple one way street in a healthy command chain. Information goes up the chain so good orders can come down it.
@@slamshift6927 You took that way too seriously. It was just a joke given butters concern about being an officer and not playing much.
Fine with me. I’d just do a single level 1 operation and continue about my business. There is a reason why forced participation doesn’t exist.
With a buddy, we subjectively feel like sometime the difficulty is variable.
Sometime we just breeze through the mission, sometime the enemy are so incredibly aggressive and aggro from everywhere.
We had multiple cases where we would aggro ALL the POIs of the map just by attacking one. How we would figure that out ? because after 10mn of hell, all the POIs would be empty of guards, even to the other side of the map.
It happened with bots and bugs as well.
It has to do with the enemy seed
There is some randomness in the difficulty/enemy composition/ect.
I was an Illmanate fighter in the first game I for one state that the community is asking for a pandora's box to be opened that should remain closed until the DEVS fix the game propper.
Im not too sure if you guys noticed in the last patch that they nerfed the headshot damage received, but we now take additional limb damage. I've died more since the last update than I have in the last three months of playing. Armor doesn't even matter.
Vs bots i started rocking crossbow, laz-dagger, thermite, throw distance armor.
380mm, 500kg, recoiless rifle, HMG Emplacement.
Biggest thing is the HMG Emplacement to take down gunships and can also take down hulks and mass amount of units if in a good position.
I rarely feel like oh no im helpless.
The issue should basically go with the major orders. Especially where it's needed most, for example we're about to lose a planet it would go there to support. It's literally the perfect way to control the populous.
The platoon will only be an issue with drama if they create a risk reward situation for the platoons. For example if we fail we all fail kinda bs. If they make it pure buff only for let's say the more squads you have from the same platoon working on the same planet you get reward bonuses, like remainder supply can be shared or something.
I only played one game yesterday but it was fantastic. There was a factory strider guarding one fabricator and a ton of bots dropped in. Was a 5 minute pitched battle going back and forth just to fight through the bots and get the fabricator. Felt amazing, loving the game again.
I disagree about peak physique and the Recoilless. I've been using a pretty similar build, but with engineering kit instead, as the extra thermites allow for one diver to clear an entire bot base solo.
I think it would be dope if they used the DSS as a prop for us to hate illuminates when they release. What if we complete it this month, get a few days to celebrate and fall in love with it… then when the Illuminates show up (liberty day?) they launch a surprise attack on it - killing a million Helldivers and knocking the space station out of commission for a few more major orders. That shit would turn me to even more of a space racist than I already am. Could be super earth’s new Pearl Harbor
I think we're gonna end up with each platoon getting their own DSS and the platoon votes for where it goes and what super strats it's equipped with at any given time. Maybe the platoon has a place to donate their extra samples to upgrade their platoon's DSS
This, except only the platoon leader gets to decide what happens with the DSS. Because he is a Class A citizen.
We do take more damage on our limbs. Thats why its harder. We kill faster but also die faster.
For bots im running the armor with 50% limb health and benefit from being able to throw stuff farther.
You fight guild drama by giving your section chief actual power to moderate, and an appeals period each month to fight any major decision made by a single S.C.
Thats how my guild ran it, class leads in charge of the people for our class, and the leads all answered to the GM or majority rule of the other leads.
Am i the only one crazy guy that want the game bugs to be fixed first, then add content? The bug list its getting bigger and bigger.
Nope you are not. These people whining about new armors, weapons, etc. Lack the foresight that if you cannot run it your shiny new toy doesn't mean jack. They won't be able to play instead of always threatening to stop playing.
I like the gas strike, but I feel, after this update, somehow I end up in someone's gas and I can't find my way out. I wish there was some sort of indicator on the map, showing the gas area.
Thanks for using my Loadout!
Thanks for sharing it with us.
So this will never happen but I think one of the easiest ways to mitigate that would be if your helldiver specifically has more Bots kills than bug kills your vote counts for 1.5 instead of one
i disagree with these guys i play on the bug side most of the time but the bot side needs the support ill vote bot side
@@drew3488 you’re a rare breed then.
Vote with your deployment Helldiver
@@SaltyNerdGaming 😆 I hope not
I prefer bugs as well, but I'll fight bots if it's a major order or even just a cool planet. I think the whole bug diver thing is overblown. When we were liberating Galivere it was like 3 of of 4 divers fighting bots
@@terryjones2467 Purely because of the MO was different and special. Regular bot MOs have 40% of players playing bugs. But whenever there has been a Bug MO, only 15-20% stayed fighting bots.
Fun fact about scrap enforcer loadout if you swap the Jar 5 with Eruptor it becomes the bug version of that build
I have to admit sometimesnit is hard to find the planet. I had spent time looking for it noticed it was captured moved on to the next planet to keep it from getting pushed. But I spent probably 5 minutes looking.
Crossbow/ballistic shield does some goofy work against bots. AMR has made me practice precision. The dagger does some work now, taking out zerkers lol
Im prettu sure it will be a multiple choice vote amongst 3 or 4, or even 2 planets. We could choose based on how many debuffs the planet has. Harder planets need all the help they can get.
One of the updates was to the overall damage we take, so now we take 50% less headshot dmg, but that was spread across our whole body so i saw some where we're on average taking something like 15% more damage in general, and certain weapons if they hit you in the chest and you're wearing light armor will just straight up one shot you now, so thats probably a good part of the reason you feel squisher. (see Earvin's video a few days ago for more info)
So everything is shared and the drops are only 4 man, so I think that limits a LOT of the drama. As far as leadership goes, I'm on the Discord and will probably start dropping with other Salty Divers soon, and I left my rank at Cadet and I'm level 42 if that tells you anything lol.
Idk we just might need to be patrolling that wormhole
Bots wrecked may shit yesterday without killing me. I was literally laying on the floor with no health no stims , and a broken leg praying my rando teammate heard my cries.
I think you’re feeling the lower limb health the devs put in the new update. They lower head shot damage but upped lower limb health
@@zerohour9861 yeah very possible. Skill Tissue* lol
i've been running only 8s since the new patch came out for the only reason that i still haven't saved enough money to buy my kid a new monitor, headset, psplus, and helldivers so he can dive with me and we can unlock 10s together.
I think the developers need to touch on sub difficulty I do believe it's a thing. I've played some level 10s that feel like sevens and others that feel like 15s. And I do believe it has something to do with the Decay rate of a specific planet.
What would be really funny is if we all vote and it doesn’t matter, it just goes to the MO no matter what
They could put a DSS on each faction and the votes will come from the current players on esch faction. Or they should add more lore/story and chose on which faction it goes but the votes go on a specific planet
Lvl 7 bots are comparable to a helldive against bugs. Also I don't think the bot fear mechanic works like it used to with suppressing fire. My normal playstyle is orbital gatling and the AC so I can do suppressive fire and are damage, and the bots just wat that now.
the entire DSS drama can be avoided by making it clan based so only the clan votes where its going not the entire playerbase that way bot divers will have dss support on their side and the bug clans can have their clan station where they want
There is no way we need the dss on the bug side... bro those poor ragdoll divers need all the help they can get.
Us who can stay on thier feet. Should just fight harder.
Honestly it's been weeks since I played bots. Ragdoll is just not fun.
If I'm totally honest the game puts me off itself were I have to take a month's break every so often.
Glitches that have persisted since day one, plus other things make it feel not worth it after a while.
totally fair and reasonable thing to do. Go enjoy a different game then check back.
It's too funny how they said they wanted to reduce ragdolling, meanwhile they made the dumb bunker turret that ragdolls you by missing you mobile by slapping it on a hulk 😂
Don't worry about your vote the system is fully automated and knows your trend.
Bots are ridiculous now ! They said ohh you want to complain ok and now where being punished in bots ! They shoot through rocks , walls, there aim is perfect !
I used to just stand in front of rocket soldier casually reloading and scratching my nuts with no fear of them aiming in my general direction. Their aiming was laughably bad and now it's way better. Lasers from striders and hulks oh also machine gun nest (WTF range and volume) are lethal now. Heavy devastator are not overheating like they said they would 2 patches ago. I play at lv 9 and now fail almost 50% of times instead of maybe 10-15% before. Somehow the bots move differently now they seem to encircle you comming from every angle instead of marching in files shouting Derp To America.
@@theallofist5461 they’ve gotten so much more deadly. It’s insane
@@SaltyNerdGaming I actually think the accuracy change is a good thing though, the poor accuracy always annoyed me
I haven’t felt a difference, honestly I moved up to difficulty 10 after the buff update and it’s felt the same as difficulty 9
Yeah the MG nests are pretty crazy. I used to go running to to them to get shots on with the plasma pun and you'd get the occasional hit. Now I just AC that things from around 200m out - you run toward them and they'll kill you straight. Now if those guns were as accurate even I use them sure. But they do seem a bit much at times.
Oh man i miss those days of WoW. before even doing server changes, you had to go to the guilds website, fill out n app there, then you will get msg'd by an officer of said guild, then you would do a voice chat interview over ventrillo.
Edit: should try the crossbow + riot shield. havnt checked myself yet since i havent unlocked the new warbond but i believe the medic stim side arm can be used with the riot shield. If done correctly you could even be used AS cover, teammate goes prone and you can provide some cover via the riot shield. gotta kinda be coordinated for the most part, doesnt work that well vs explosives tho lol
"don't make this a voting system" we already have it though. Players in general already go to the highest population especially within major orders in an effort to help. That's effectively voting itself. Going into a station to submit a vote, needing to read through stuff should help I think. But then again, given the real world election here in the US of people really wantting to vote for a convicted felon, who knows.
I nominate myself for Chief Medical Officer, and simultaneously just happy I didn't get banned during this podcast LOL....
Also I can pull double duty as the Chaplan!!
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@@SaltyNerdGaming 😀
Love the content and conversation!!! Always pumped to see the new videos drop!!!
Appreciate that. Tell your friends.
We don't want things easier nor harder we just want it to be fair and when it's "harder" it should feel rewarding not punishing
Bros asking for war to be fair
I feel mean for agreeing on the whole "do we need to highlight everything for people?" but it really does feel like a lot of people just don't think about things or are notably oblivious and just go "big yellow number? I go here!" and wooop, the red/yellow planet connected to the MO planet launches an attack on the last day and we have to defend it overnight or lose the MO.
Happens in every game though not just HD2, many people are just oblivious unless things are explicitly told to them and even then it's a 50/50, i do it sometimes and most people i know have moments where they just cant figure out seemingly obvious things because I/they don't even attempt to think about it and just go "me no understand, me angry" or blindly follow the teammate blob around.
if they gonna do voting they need to have a handful of planets to vote from not just pick any planet you want
4:14 i had a simular experince today a hulk hit next to me sent me flying like 15 meters to the right just as i was about to land it hit under me sending me flying up in the air. then shot me like a clay pigeon. i was laughing my ass off cuz it was epic looking however it was very unfair lol.
That’s insane.
I was in a clan in halo 3 it was cool ,meet some amazing people but it's all ways the power tripping higher ups kills it for me
10:15 are you sure about that ?
I was under the impression that each Platoon will have it's own DSS essentially and the Platoon decide where to bring it every 24h ?
At least that what I gather from listening to Eravin's Video about the DSS and the leaks he gathered.
It’s looking more like just a buff station for whatever planet it’s orbiting and maybe a strat or two to use.
I don't think they buffed the enemies maybe its just how they Changed how our limbs take damage? Like YAY we take less headshot damage.... but our limbs take more damage now. We are dying in 2 or 3 hits now, and with the Resistance BOOST I'll be on 1 HP from 2 Warrior swipes.
On the one hand, Bots tend to AIM for your head so that helps a little but.... Bugs and Stray shots will end up hitting your Limbs and GOD THAT HURTS NOW! A single Impact grenade will also nuke a Rocket Strider since it will detonate the Missiles and kill it.
The space station being directed democratically is not a problem. To quote Stalin:
"I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this-who will count the votes, and how."
If you think about it, managed democracy could mean a number of things... such as the above.
Or another note:
I hated the interview process to join wow guilds. I hope the devs don't implement systems that create such toxic environments.
Yeah. I get wanting to weed out the scrubs if your world first type guild. But the problem was everyone thought they were a world first type of guild. lol.
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I think it's more than that. The raids are a big time investment, both in gameplay and in planning. So if you take bad people, you are going to waste your time. There is this really great video called "why it's rude to suck at wow".
If you run into some bad players in HD2, you waste maybe 30 minutes and then you queue with a different group or you change the difficulty.
If you decide to raid with bad people, you will waste 3+ hours.
/2 trade
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Getting this shit started in chat was one of my absolute favorite things to do 😂
I think the majority of the player base and the “elite” player base will know and agree on where the DSS needs to and will go.
I'm honestly real optimistic about the Platoon system. Sure there will be some drama from time to time but if it's anything like the Discord these past months I think the shits gonna be lit 🔥 🫡
we need support against the bots, or illuminate by then
I genuinely don't know if they are some new warriors, red colored that are faster and super aggressive. If you are in close proximity they two shot you almost everytime.
Happy to help you guys dive lvl 150 500+ hours, I'm in your discord, I've been shredding the bots even though they are harder now 👍🏼 o7
I had my concerns when I heard about the voting system, but it is MANAGED democracy, I think it would be interesting if player votes weren’t all the same value.
Maybe attributing some amount of points to your vote based on your level or something could interesting.
Ive got a 1660 and the game runs just fine on medium and low for unneeded lighting
Yes, please help educate people on the decay rates, defensive gambit, etc. People have no clue how the galactic war works. The mechanism that makes it work are hidden.
Ah yes, just what I need. A cup of Liber Tea imbibement apparatus.
I noticed the bot aim was super accurate
Fear not, for Super Earth Armed Forces do not operate under democracy, but Managed Democracy.
Voting, barbarism
You'd think if it can move super earth would find a planet deep in their own territory far away from the front and move it out when it's complete.
It's not going to be an MMO guild. That's a whole level of infighting and bullshit the devs have no interest in. You'll get buffs etc for doing things together maybe but no-one is getting unique special weapons etc that'll cause that level of BS.
I feel the same as dutch, started replaying far cry 5, but i still check in and run a mission
I sent a link to my mom for that mug. My birthday's coming up and I actually really want that. 😂
11:21 you joke but military servoce was the only way to earn your franchise aside from bekng a land owner/part of the landed gentry.
love the new logo
Thanks. Salty worked hard on it.
I think level 10 is easier than7. Maybe easy isn’t the correct word. Less frustration on level 10.
Burned out after playing for 3 weeks and now I'm starting to play Helldivers 1 since it's on special rn in the PS Store and so far I'm having more fun tbh.
I mostly play on the BoT side, Bugs too easy for me on LVL 10. What I will not like if the Space Station becomes a vote, the Bug Divers will mainly keep it on the bug front.
Last night was the most I've died in the same night in WEEKS
I hardcrash more often than I die on 8s.
Hopefully it's not a pure democracy vote, but a "managed" Democracy where they tell us where it's needed.
If they limited Stratagem slots farthest from the MO' that would make sense, because the war effort is focused elsewhere.. SO on the MO/War Front we'd have EXTRA stratagems at our disposal.
voting is a horrible idea...especially on the internet. I mean I would personally vote to send the DSS to a planet that benefits no one. Why? because it would piss off everyone.
What would Khryst do? Lmao.
I’m more of a but diver but I also go bots when the major order is over there!
I want to make a Butt Diver joke.
@@SaltyNerdGaming hahahaha wow that was a bad typo on my part lol. Now I’m leaving it lol
Did they nerf the Recoiless Rifle against Bot Drop Ships!? ? ? I can't seem to break the ships in half now :( Great show as always guys, P.S. Dutch is at his best when he's in a sh@tty mood :)
@@PhoenixSnakeUK good question. I’m in such a habit of hitting the engines I never bother hitting the center of them.
@@SaltyNerdGaminghitting the engine simply knocks the ship down, hitting the middle kills all the bots that come with the ship and/or heavily damaging more tanker units.
The RR was not nerfed, sometimes you can hit the bots that the dropship is carrying, therefore not hitting the ship and therefore not destroying it. Make sure to actually hit the ship.
Aim for the black side of the drop, not the red underbelly.
What's happening is you're hitting the bots hanging below the ship, not the ship itself
Yeah, why would we want a grip of opinions deciding where our weapons are pointed?
I will join the saltdovers platoon!
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Ahh great. I was all excited for platoons and now all I can think about is being in an Alliance in EVE Online and all the shit I went through.
It will be an interesting experience. Let’s hope it is thought out well.
Gotta admit, this 'democratic voting' also has me worried. But let's see, AH isn't the best at explaining stuff when it hasn't been released, maybe there's more to the DSS than what's already been said.
Do you guys have any plans to check out starship troopers extermination? It releases soon. I'm thinking for me it will be a great compliment to helldivers 2. I was watching a live stream with the head project lead guy and I think the graphics designer. They were saying they wanted to go the whole galactic war thing like helldiver's. Ow here's a planet go take it in 5 days for x y and z rewards. But also I was wondering do you think helldivers is kinda trying to get everything right and get as much out as possible. Because so many new games are about to be hitting the market or already on it. Space Marines 2, starship troopers extermination, dragonage veilguard. Then you got your every year games like call of duty and such. Maybe they are trying to hold onto that player base alittle tighter. But also I want your opinion on if you think starship troopers and helldivers will have a bit of a war. So to speak for players. Since they both are doing the whole galaxy war thing. The forever war thing.
I had more fun pre update (17th) despite the bugs, server crashes and socials lol!
Soft boys 😅
What happened to Space Marine
We have a SM community on discord which we support. But it’s not really a game we personally find all that fun. But if that’s your jam we think that’s great.
Yeah, the damn bug divers...
Nah dutch i constantly run 7 only every now and again do i try 10s. Dont worry about it, play what is fun to you
That’s the secret. Thanks.
25:32 you can either interview or you can have people in your raid group who like to grief people if they dont get what they want first and will leave for another guild when they've used up the efforts of 39 other people. Ever wonder why 40 mans became the exception? Because no 40 people had the appeite to have their time leached by some toxic player. I agree doi g a full interview process is a bit much, but raiding WAS an unpaid job that you had to pay 12-15 a month for, complete with prepwork crafting and gathering/loot farming.
Beleieve me you dont want to be interviewed for a guild position? I get it, but I've run guilds that were the fun side/sister guild of raid guilds and somethjbg that leads to massive levels of in guild tension is when a player basically steals 39 peoples work to walk away with no benefit to the other 39. I've seen guilds break up over inviting someone into the guild who siphibs off resources, which got easier with the guild bank. I think a quick application and 10 minute talk / 1 week trial isnt a huge thjnf for people to put up with, but then again, I've been into MMOs and dealt with toxic players since EQ.
That said I dont think its an issue with HD2 since the worst that can happen is a person acts like a chaos diver, which would likely get them banned from groups.
dutch its the sycle.. you never get kill credit for your shots with that fuq'n thing if not for rover you'd never get kill credit
Been playing with the ARC THROWER today a little bit also having fun with the HMG.
4400 shots fired
3600 shots hits
22 kills🧐
fuq u game! fuq u
if that's recommendation ill give it try, sycle is like a wiffle bat
And honestly i just want color change to my armors thats all
That would be a cool feature.
@@SaltyNerdGaming been asking for this for 6 months
Not all that long ago I dived with someone with the with the tag
Jesus h. Christ
The bots went full Roman empire that game
Watch them pull a Funny and make it a managed democratic vote 😂. They decide where it goes, we just THINK we're deciding.
Salty I'm dying to see you play Forever winter you have to stream that soon
Salty or Dutch? Either way there will be some FW streams.
@SaltyNerdGaming I got to Dutch play and enjoyed the hell out of it. Now I want to see them stealth skills Salty was talking about but definitely would enjoy watching Dutch stream it again as well.
24:50 nah f that guild/platoon nonsense lol