Why Inducing Hallucinations Might Be a Good Idea
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Researchers have developed ways to induce hallucinations, and though it sounds weird, it could also tell us a lot about mental health.
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First psychology proves psychedelic drugs have therapeutic value. Now hallucinations induced through technology can be a diagnostic tool. Oh, how delightfully weird our brains are ❤
That is an academic field that needs more research.
Thank you "Dave Tom's". For your Intel and your delicious chicken sandwichs... Your a genius and a scholar
@@maiaallman4635 I wonder, is there any other kind of academic field? :) Apart from debunked ones.
I want some LSD. Used it back in 1979. I, so, need it now.
psychedelics do a hell a lot more than 'hallucinations'
I recently had ketamine treatment at a clinic for my chronic pain. Some people have hallucinations and the doctor said that it is more beneficial if people suffering from depression do hallucinate during their ketamine treatment.
@@95_Nepentheses lucky bastered, psilocybin mushrooms don't grow anywhere near me, best of luck friend
I had ketamine treatment for my treatment resistant depression
Turned out I was a part of the unlucky ones, no hallucinations, no positive reaction, just pure dread and horrible discomfort, all with no lasting benefit
Gonna be trying to find a trial with LSD or psilocybin next ig
@@imlivinlikelarry6672 Keep looking and keep fight friend💪
@@imlivinlikelarry6672 it shouldn’t have been horrible. they should’ve given you Versed or another benzo at the same time. Sorry you’ve had such a struggle! Maybe you should try a different clinic.
Helped you, Ketamine did.
Beneficial, hallucinations are.
Imagine being in that second study and describing to your friend what you did in the study:
"So I was blindfolded, and then the researchers had me use a robot in order to make me start hallucinating..."
@@drstone7014 Not really. We can recognise our own voices played back to us, a truer digital mirror test. This experiment would be more akin to seeing a hologram of yourself walking around rather than a mirror.
Prejudice against mental diseases(particularly those associated with hallucinations) might be the reason the elderly find it so hard to come forward to about them with their doctor. It might be a vestige of the old days.
It could definitely be part of it. Another could be avoiding acknowledging that aging inherently causes problems, or downplaying those problems because they tend to come on gradually.
Honestly people hallucinating (especially due to psychological disorders) isn’t nearly accepted and de stigmatized as anxiety and depression are compared to 50+ years ago. Some people do hallucinate people or things that constantly tell them to do horrible things. But media and popular culture portrays all those with any form of hallucinations as a small subset of people. But people having auditory/ visual hallucinations screaming at them to do something irrational or dangerous are the ones we notice. The ones we see on tv. The villain.
As someone who has had various hallucinations all their life; I can definitely understand that. It's hard to get your doctors to listen even when it's documented that it's been happening your entire life. Took me 24 years to get somewhere at all with my diagnosis and not "oh it's just PTSD/depression." So I can't even imagine elderly people trying to go through that, especially when there's that fear of just being tossed into a home or mental hospital. I'm really hopeful that they'll be less stigmatized soon
Medical discrimination ain't "the old days," unfortunately. It's an ever present threat for a multitude of people, here in the Imperial Capitol at least.
I get that feeling quite often when I'm home alone.... especially when I was younger in my childhood home.
That feeling dissipated considerably after my father died.
But uh, I have a family history of Parkinson's disease. So now I'm concerned that it wasn't just ghosts hanging out in a 150 y/o house, and actually was my brain doing an uh oh
Perhaps you're just sensitive to people's energies
I would love to mess around with a piece of equipment that lets me pat my own back like that.
this sounds a lot like dissociation symptoms I deal with daily, lol. the feeling like I'm behind myself, or that i'm slightly in front of myself. usually I feel it to the left. but still. wild that they can induce that feeling, in some way
I often feel like I am on the floor. And then I am, literally. I had a stroke. Walking is not my strong suit.
yeah manic episodes release tons of dopamine, in mental illness it's uncontrolled without medication often... drugs essentially release a load of dopamine too, high amounts do wild stuff.
@@maiaallman4635 were you trying to be funny because now I feel bad cause I laughed lol
What? I have never experienced this 🤔
I often feel like my "soul" or sense of consciousness or whatever was either above my head or in my head, controlling my body like a robot. Kinda like in inside out but not quite.
Wasn't there another one once where they used VR so people saw an avatar of themselves walking in front of them? It was like playing a video game with a 3rd person, over-the-shoulder view. And of course there's the good old rubber hand illusion, fun at parties.
Finally a back scratching robot 😃
And no contortions required.
That is hilarious! My favorite comment today.
I think that this feeling of someone is in the room with you probably is related to that same feeling of being observed, like a spider-sense for presence
sure... but here, it's an early indicator for disease and not a benefit (in the scope of the video, anyway)
It's a mere sensory illusion, not really a hallucination.
@@360.Tapestry I mean, I never said it's bad, useful or anything, I just shared a thought
@@LuisAldamiz what's the difference
@@edgarventura7497 anyone who knows what a spider-sense is would probably consider it an advantage. but i get what you mean
Back in the early 70s, for a short while, I thought it was funny to induce hallucinations in people who were high on LSD. I quit when I discovered that sometimes the hallucinations I induced didn't go away after the person came down...
you changed their source code bro
Well now I'm paranoid I'll have parkinsons. I can trick myself into feeling a presence just by thinking about it too hard, and it's scary. I also have sleep paralysis hallucinations alot which include feeling presences
Yeah, I feel another presence most of the time whenever I pray. I always assumed I was feeling the presence of God. Still do, really. Just because it's possible to be made to feel someone is there when there isn't, doesn't mean there's no one there every time you feel someone else's presence in a room.
I used to get sleep paralysis when I was a kid myself, and I'd usually end up dreaming of aliens or my parents hovering over me or being nearby (yeah, weird mix there) when I couldn't move.
This does make me wonder if I might be prone to Parkinson's, but no one in my family has ever had it, so I doubt I do. I hope you don't, either!
If this truly brings you stress, talk to your doctor about it.
Are you on meds or supplements by any chance?
@@cam553 I've been on Adderal since I was 12 for ADHD, but I've always had an extremely vivid imagination and have had sleep paralysis and lucid dreams throughout my entire life, before I ever started my meds. I remember my dreams vividly every night, I'm just really imaginative
@@amberlon I’ve had sleep paralysis my whole life too! Before the internet I thought it was just particularly awful recurring nightmares. It was such a massive relief finding out I wasn’t the only one dealing with it. Unfortunately, even knowing what’s happening doesn’t make it any less terrifying. 😖
I imagine this is a similar sensation to those who can "feel someone/something watching them" or much of paranormal activity.
Honestly for me to call something a ghost, it does involve myself and several people around me (I avoid being the first one to say anything) all experiencing a sensation of “something is there” or seeing something incomprehensible, in the same location, and finding no explanation for it (such as, nobody’s on drugs that can cause hallucinations, no elevated carbon monoxide in the area, we aren’t all sleep deprived, and there is actually apparently nothing where we’re experiencing the appearance or general sense of something wrong).
Well I was hoping you were going to tell me to drink some special cactus juice and wander into the desert to confront my inner demons, but I guess diagnostic tools for Parkinson's are cool too.
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Take it easy on the cactus juice, Sokka.
It's the quenchiest
Cactus juice? I think what you are talking about is peyote.
@@drsharkboy6568 😂 Avatar?! YES!!
only loosely related but the most fear i have ever experienced was during a hallucination i had during a early morning sleep paralysis. nothing more terrifying then having a dark figure stand over you and you can't move a muscle to do anything about it and knowing that you should be alone. hope it never happens again
Nice sleep paralysis demon
I’ve had problems with sleep paralysis my whole life. When I have associated hallucinations, it’s usually that someone I know is in the room, sometimes sitting next to me on the bed. I feel like they know I need help but won’t help me.
Man, sleep paralysis frigging SUCKS.
DMT is really good at causing presence hallucinations. That's why you hear so many stories about "machine elves," it's like the brain is compartmentalizing itself into many different consciousnesses. Even on low doses of DMT, one can easily induce the feeling of a nearby presence, even if you can't see or hear anyone else in the room with you. Anecdotally, when I did a low dose in my room, I thought my bed was another person with ill intent. Was a strange experience to say the least.
And vomiting like crazy.
@@JavierFernandez01 I didn't get nauseous personally but I've heard of it happening. Maybe take anti-nausea medication beforehand?
@@Nae_Ayy good idea. I've only seen it on UA-cam with the frogs. But i actually remembered that i have done dmt if that's what's in salvia. I didn't get sick but did put my head down while i "tripped". Kinda dizzy. Seemed more like the best daydream ever hahah. I was talking to an old lady. Don't really remember much of it but she was nice. :)
@@JavierFernandez01 I'm fairly certain you don't really know what DMT is, no offence, so I'd like to clear some things up for you if you don't mind.
"DMT" refers to many different chemical compounds. The chemical found in some frog skin is "5-meo-DMT". This chemical is known to cause nausea and it is actually possible to overdose if you're not careful. The chemical I was talking about when I referred to DMT is more specifically known as "N,N-DMT". This is the substance that most people are talking about when they refer to "DMT," simply because it is more accessible to most people. This substance is not found in frog skin, it is impossible to overdose on it as far as I am aware, and it doesn't cause as much nausea as 5-meo-DMT.
Now, salvia has no DMT in it. The experiences are somewhat similar, in that both DMT and salvia can "transport" you to a completely different state of consciousness, but they are not related chemically in any way.
Not trying to sound condescending here, just sharing some knowledge.
@@Nae_Ayy since dmt is a similar term to thc as in there are many varieties it is accurate to say the 5mao in the frogs is dmt.
Try not to be presumptuous next time. ;)
There was an old arcade game that had you flying a spaceship, and when you were hit, the frame of the cockpit had something in it to "thump" the side of it. I didn't realize it at the time and so kept yelling at an imagined person behind me telling them to wait their turn.
I can’t help but imagine hallucinating would be a traumatic experience for myself in one form or another. Got a lot of disturbing thoughts and images (thanks Internet) rattling around that I’d rather not experience again.
I've seen where people confront fears with just such a hallucinogen. Similar to the Professor Lupin/Boggart defense, but in your mind(Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban movie). You get to take control of your response.
I had some interesting hallucinations when I came round after brain surgery:
Lots of multicoloured snakes with geometric patterns climbing the walls.
I meditate a few hours each day and seen a gazillion super scary images. You need to breathe, relax and love everything you see to release the trauma. We experience micro trauma, and some macro, on a daily basis and it just accumulates inside you. But it can be released, allowing you to level up every time. You have to look with your eyes closed while meditating. And pay attention to the part of your mind that can picture things. For example, you could picture your best friend and then just watch him or her and watch and watch and ultimately you will begin a journey of visuals.
A good delirious fever or viral meningitis will work, but I can’t recommend them.
I'll just be beside myself if this is the future of telemedicine!
You made me do a spit-take, @Cheryl CH02!
What a weird journey it has been. Suddenly "do you feel anyone in the room with us right now?" Is a valuable diagnostic tool.
A third method of inducing presence hallucinations is watching SciShow episodes about presence hallucinations at night by yourself
I wonder how they accounted for how infrequently most people hear their own voices.
the only times i've hallucinated is with sleep deprivation (typically geometric shapes and colors) - but that would kill me a lot faster if i kept down that path than having a predisposition for brain disease
I'm quite sure that this is something different. First of all, the brain on the verge of falling asleep is a whole other beast. And further, this kind of hallucinations is kinda widespread. Like almost everyone has experienced them at least once.
@@lonestarr1490 nonetheless, those are the only instances i've experienced some kind of hallucination
Hallucinations were never the problem, the problem is people freaked out over them before from the advice of psychiatrists telling them that's not normal, and means they're insane... that is what caused the fear over hallucinations, you can deal with them usually. Old research isn't so good these days.
Or before science folks hallucinating just got labeled as possessed and burned at the stake, etc.
Friends: oh my god I'm hallucinating this is terrifying
Me: your brain displaced a couple bits while computing reality, chill
Hallucinations can be lethal. They can be a very serious problem and require a psychiatrist. Not all hallucinations are benign. There are hallucinations of having insects in skin, having people trying to kill you, government trying to kill you, auditory hallucinations about how you should kill people or do dangerous activities. I've seen a case where a schizophrenic man put in ice pick through his ear drum to get these bad voices to stop. Hallucinogenics don't always have positive hallucinations. They can be dangerous and sometimes doctors are needed to intervene to keep people safe.
Really tought this was going to be about hallucinogen drugs but this was fun aswell
I would have that feeling alot during my sleep paralysis episodes
Yeah, I can't even convince my doctor to order an MRI to see the cause of my headaches. I can't imagine this will be available to most people.
I wonder if this applies to reading a really good book, would like to see someone do EEGs on that.
When I get into a book for more than an hour, I completely forget my surroundings and imagine the sights and sounds of the book.
So glad I wasn't in this experiment. I don't have hallucinations, but I do have a phobia of insanity, so this would have scared the crap out of me. I would have ended it!
I'd think the robo arm situation would be a good way to play Portal in VR.
If only there was freedom to openly study this, people could be getting the help they need.
Mild LSD, mescaline apparently helps with PTSD.
Playing Hellblade: Seneca's Sacrifice in VR is very trippy as there's lots of hallucinatory voices throughout that game. It can play a number on you.
As someone with DID I've experienced feelings of presence, though I wonder if they would actually be presence hallucinations since the presence that is detected isn't entirely unreal.
My dad has Parkinsons and developed an autoimmune disorder from Levidopa.
I associate this control issue with the boundary dissolution. The boundary dissolution is alarming to the ego, it doesn't like that feeling and it tells you that you're dying and psychedelic voyagers have to learn to just when that red switch goes on you just reach out and turn it off and say, oh no no it's set wrong, we're not dying. But it tells you that you're dying because the ego very strongly identifies with the equilibrium of the physical body and as the physical body begins to slide into the intoxication the ego is saying, what's happening here? Wait a minute! I'm loosing coherency, this is not good! You made a mistake Joe! We need help Joe! It's coming apart! In that moment you have to say chill out Ego! It's going to be alright! And so you have to discipline yourself that way. The dissolving of the ego, that is dissolving of this maladaptive behaviour pattern that has made our sexual and social politics so complicated. In other words the ego is not a good thing, it's existence in each one of us is in extremely expressed form a symptom of neurosis, a cultural neurosis. And psychedelic dissolves the ego but the ego protests noisily while this is going on. And people who are very ego dependent, if they have a psychedelic experience they usually have one and then they say, well that was like going nuts, I hated it, it was awful. It's because they are very strongly identified with the ego. And another person who isn't so strongly identified with the ego could look at the identical experience and say it was a wonderful liberation, it was quintessence of freedom and light and openness. When I say we are pathological and we need to take strong medicine to fix ourselves I don't mean the kind of medicine where you can't feel it working, I mean the kind of medicine where you can feel it working. - Terrence McKenna
This all sounds terrifying.
I ....WANT.... THAT ROBOT ARM!!!! I need to be able to rub my own back after work!
I like this kind of science
Creepy yet very cool.
I would be curious to know if there is research into "ghost hallucinations," the profound feeling of being in the presence of someone you know has died or is elsewhere.
Good idea
I think my hallucinations have been triggered by drug use. One was Sandomigran that caused me to have sleep paralysis and experience a presence (evil at that). The other was amitriptyline, which, for some reason, caused me to hallucinate seeing big spiders. I still occasionally do, even after coming off the drug, so that's got me a bit worried.
Disassociation is a lot like this. I have seen myself sitting at my computer and I was above looking down at myself. Among other things.
Imagine my surprise when I am looking through altmetrics and I see my paper is cited on a video! So cool that you are making these videos, just wait until I release the rest of my papers :P
i would define these experiences as simulations rather than Hallucinations, to me Hallucinations are the mind presenting you with something that's not real rather than external stimulation designed to emulate actual experiences
Agreed
I can recognize my own voice in a recording, and I feel like any comedian or actor can, no matter how many samples they listen to. I know it's true for me because I listen to myself on stage all the time. But I also think vocal artists would be an interesting variable to this study.
Listen to recordings of myself.
Also yes, my voice does sound weird to me, but it's something I've become accustomed to.
The variable with this study that likely causes people to not recognise it is the fact that it seems like it is moving around while they are blindfolded, most people can recognise their own voice in a regular recording.
Wait, the ASMR microphone is being used... FOR SCIENCE?!
Cool. 😂
The thing is I always knew that no one was there. I was just imagining things. And I know why it happened and also why I got attached to quickly. It was out of loneliness. 🤷
Just letting you all know if you are having hallucinations please tell a doctor, it's not embarrassing. It really helped change my life for the better.
VR is gonna be wild...
A very eye-opening video indeed.
Don't need to tell me twice..
I wonder if there's a difference with testing people constantly feeling an existential crisis. Like, is it easier for them to feel the effects of the study, without it actually meaning anything? (False positive, basically)
Are sleep deprived hallucinations any good?
I have rarely had any good ones and the good one I did have was my girlfriend caressing my cheek telling me to get to sleep because It was late, and I did.
Yes yes, the voices in my head are so much fun
I had that feeling of being watched/followed last night
Screw the brain science, that is the most awesome back scratcher.
until you realize how expensive haptic devices and robot arms are
I've always had others around me but I knew they weren't actually there. It was always helpful. I had company no matter what. In grad school I would discuss out loud my thoughts and get the others arguing against my premise...I could argue myself with the things in my head that arent me. It worked well. I also have DID but that has nothing to do with it. I have always had "others" around me ever since I was conscious. I know it's just my brain doing things but its nice ♡
I dont need drugs to alter reality. I have prescribed drugs that keep me from doing that. Lol. My mind has altered reality as long as I can remember. Thankfully never in a bad way but frustrating for the adults around me. I was diagnosed and given help late...30 but I the alternate realities werent too terrible in my case.
Hopefully the researchers and eventual doctors considering this aren't basing this all on the idea that hallucinations are necessarily negative, or that mental conditions enabling greater sensitivity to them are necessarily negative; As that's obviously not always true, especially when desired.
I was once on a medication that made me hallucinate and I sort of discovered how it happened. I noticed going back to the same room/places that I heard/saw things I noticed my brain was just taking all the noise around me and "misinterpreting" it as something else and because I was under so much emotional stress during that time it projected my fears as actual things in the room, I think under the right circumstances your brain can loosen the connection between imagination and logic and become a little "creative" in its interpretation on reality based on interpersonal struggles and neuroscience tells us that we kinda hallucinate our reality anyway so it's just your brain taking in visual stimuli and interpreting it based on past experience and what "works" to help you properly navigate the world.
Asking for a friend, where can I get that robot?
I don't need a pocking robot arm .. just a nice doses of multiplayer game to feel surrounding by people and start yelled at them
wait, you mean to tell me that some people go to their doctor in the United States and their doctor actually listens to them and proposes diagnostic tests???? that is so weird that has never happened for me and ive been through several doctors..
the women inthe thumbnail is gorgg
A major hallucination type that you should be experimenting with is audio versus video discrepancies, where you hear one thing and your eyes tell you that what you are hearing cannot be true because you are looking at the sound source and it is obviously making a different sound. A major example is having detailed human faces with their mouths and other parts looking like they are making the same and then different sounds than what is coming out of a speaker just below these "talking heads". This is repeated with the test subject closing and opening his eyes at random to see what is happening between when they can see the vision/sound contrast occur and when they cannot. The results of this kind of of experiment, both with several different single sounds and several different multisyllable gibberish phrases can be EXTREMELY strange...
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I agree!! When I share this idea with humans they agree if you share it with chat so it recoils
ghost hunters are quaking in their boots
as someone who has presence hallucinations on the regular i am concerned
Timothy Leary's dead. No no no, he is outside looking in.
And Terence McKenna?
One doesn’t experience self-transcendence, the illusion of self only dissipates 🎈
Damn
It's nothing weird to be able to massage your own back, right? I mean it better than no massage 🤣
Psychiatrist:
- Take this medicine - it'll help with your hallucinations.
Patient:
- Proove to me that it's not poison!
Psychiatrist:
*swallows one pill*
Patient:
*melts away into thin air*
Psychiatrist:
- What
Guided music imagery
look it up
its interesting
especially when psycadellics were added in the studies
A STAND!
If someone askes me if I have hallucinations, I wouldn't know the answer. After all, how would I know? I know for example that I have false memories. They were dreams that I remember as memories and are indistinguishable from other memories. I only became suspicious when I realised that some timelines or events were simply not possible.
Always good to hear some good news every once in a while
it's good news that they can give you bad news now
cullts just got a new toy!
......so it's not normal to be able to do this with just willpower?
Some can. I'm a very visual person. Since I was little, I've been able to close my eyes and imagine very clear images. Oddly enough, psychoactive compounds do not give me visual hallucinations.
So most likely some of those "haunting" Victims are a symptoms of early Parkinson? or some sort of psycological/neurological damage??
Its the best explanation to date I guess.
potentially a mix of all of it? like prone to hallucinations, emotional/mental stress, already feeling paranoid in a spooky house, and those really low sounds that freak people out.
@@lemonshark4961 Yes, a mix of all the right(or wrong) stimulations and stress.
@@lemonshark4961 wth is in your pfp it's creepy
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't super dangerous for people that are at risk for schizophrenia since inducing a hallucination can cause a psychotic break? I'm not arguing the benefits of the research... just concerned for some individuals
Well looks like I'm going shrooms tonight
absolutely fascinating! I'd be super interested in trying either experiment, seems like a cool experience to have (in a controlled setting, anyways x3)
I am weirdly sensitive to time delays, but I'm too stupid to stop having the ghost poke me. I'd just be gently petting myself while I scream.
I don't necessarily see another me, but I definitely sent another me in the room, talking to me. My inner monologue, Isn't So internal. I often find myself talking to myself tried to calm down or come to a solution. I often get told by relatives to stop talking to yourself. It's possible my imaginary friend was a hallucination of myself, just another form. But I have no childhood memories thanks to getting older. But I can say, talking to yourself or visual he's cutting yourself talk to you sounds like it would be beneficial.
Never would of thought this I a hallucination. I thought that involved seeing something
My first trip was something.
Hmm asking for a friend , that petting robot, is it moddable?
Huxley was a brilliant man.
I had meds that made me hear and see things. So I got off when it got worse. And also, it was 1 med away from me being euthanised.
I want them to study DMT, how the compound its self, transfers you outside your body and places you in this new "dimension"
Off-topic, but I think (host) Michael Aranda's going to end up having an ageless voice, like Dante Basco (aka Rufio aka Zuko). It doesn't matter how old he ever gets, his voice will remain a Lost Boy ~ forever young.
Damn, I'd love to try this out.
The Denobulans were right the whole time. Nice.
Can you guys do an episode on epilepsy that would be really cool
So I was playing fallout the other day and it made me think, imagine if tech gets to the stage you can take parts of a brain and scam them like a hard drive. Secrets would be no more
of course it is, my teens and 20's can attest to this ;)
Inducing hallucinations "on purpose", in nature, is called dreaming.
No really, how often do you think a dream is real, until you wake up? ...
im judging by the thumbnail that it makes me a Stand User.
why are there hallucinations in early stages of Parkinson? I thought that the medication Dopamin agonist has the side affect of halucinations b\c it activates Dopamine recepters. But in Parkinson, that is not treated with medecation, there is less Dopamine b\c the cells that create Dopamine are hurt. So why and how do they have hallucinations?
Dopaminergic activity in too high or too low amounts causes distortions in perception and cognition. It's like driving too fast or two slow. If you speed, it's harder to get back on track if you swerve, but if you drive too slow, you may not be able to react quickly enough to get out of the way of a threat. Balance is key.
There is a game called Hellblade that recorded sound with that binaural microphone so if you play it with headphones on it definitely gives you that uneasy feeling that you are being watched or followed. but that was the intent because they are trying to recreate schizophrenia because the hero of the game, that you are following, is schizophrenic. I'm still trying to figure out if my role in the game is to be one of the voices in her head, but as a player you hear all the voices she does. its really cool and eye opening.