Howdy, I do sales/repairs in carbide tooling and wanted to give my two cents on the ATBR, the Raker will 9/10 times sit lower than the ATBs, so you will never get a true "flat" and will most likely have lines for a dado. The Flat mainly keeps the blades straight while the ATBs finishes and trim the edges. Differences from the Premiums and Budgets tends to be harder saw plate (stays more straight as seen in the oak) and grades and size of carbide as you pointed out on the Tenyru. Leaving out a few other of key differences but those are the easiest to see. Loved the video! Straight to the point and everything was explained well when it came to the sharpening and life of the blade. Got a sub from me today for sure.
I use the WEN brands on my miter and TSaw . No complaints . Also I use 7.25 circle saw blades on 5he table saw ,they cost $5.00 .if I hit a nail ,toss it and never look back . Great video . Cheers
For joinery I use a TCG blade that has been sharpened about 3 times, so it's now a 60 tooth, full-kerf FTG joinery blade. Half the price of a specific joinery blade.
Good video guys, thanks. I’ve been very satisfied with the CMT ITK Xtreme Orange Chrome Thin Kerf 10" Combination Blade, 50 Teeth, Alternate Top Bevel (ATB) 0.102” Kerf. I get them from Taylor Tools when on sale. (50 tooth $34 right now Dec2024). They don’t have the raker tooth but that doesn’t affect me. I used the 40 and 50 tooth combination blades and the 24 tooth rip blade when I built the cherry cabinets for my kitchen. Ripping was easy with the 24 as long as I cleaned the buildup off of it occasionally. Minimal burning. Crosscuts using a sled were perfect.
Good info, Jeff~! I'm not sure that I've heard of Tenryu before, but it's definitely on my radar now. I just picked up a 12" Bosch sliding compound miter saw (to replace my 15yr old Dewalt) and the Bosch vendor attending the show spotted me a couple complimentary blades. He told me that Diablo blades are made by Bosch, but I'll probably buy Tenryu whenever these are ready for replacing. Thanks much~! ...also, many thanks to that guy doing the great work behind the camera~! 😉
It would be interesting to see how the Tenryu blade compares to full kerf premium saw blades from Forrest and Ridge Carbide. 20+ years ago I switched to using full-kerf Forrest Woodworker II blades in my table saws, and 3/32" kerf Forrest Chopmaster blades in my miter saw and radial arm saws. If the wood is held firmly to the tablesaw's table when fed through, rip cuts by the 40 tooth Forrest Woodworker II leave no visible blade marks in the boards. Last year I bought a Ridge Carbide TS2000 24 tooth rip blade and also a Ridge Carbide 40 tooth flat grind "super" blade. The 24 tooth Ridge Carbide blade will also leave no visible blade marks in the boards when ripping, if the wood is held firmly to the tablesaw's table when fed through the blade - the boards surface is a bit rougher when the wood is not held firmly to the table. I noticed that you were using a zero clearance insert with your table saw. You mentioned that the teeth on the two blades were different widths. Do you think that you would see better results on the bottom sides of the sheet goods if you used a new zero clearance insert for each blade?
Yrs ago I stopped using Diablo or Freud blades, mostly because I did cabinetry installs with most pre-finished fillers and crown, the friggin red stain it often left was a serious issue. Went to CMT way back then and haven’t looked back. Honestly the biggest “dulling” of a saw blade isn’t it actually dull, but just dirty/gummed up. Clean your blades regularly and most blades will last much much longer.. I get yrs outa my CMT’s, to be fair, that’s a hobby/home use not a full time shop/professional use, but still shows simple care is more important than the brand often.
Diablo are ok IMO but I don’t use them on projects that need a fine cut for those I either use my CMT orange blades or I buy a new blade. I have not been able to find a convenient resharpening place near me so I do not consider a factor. I am finding that the CMT & Hercules brand blades offer exceptional value, cut great/clean, reasonably priced and last awhile…much better than the Diablo I have owned. Between CMT and Hercules I have never seen the need to buy a more expensive blade.
Interesting video and saw blade comparison Jeff. I would say that for the average DIY woodworker, the less expensive Diablo is a good choice. Obviously, it also depends on the species of wood that is being cut over a given time period. BTW, I really like these types of comparison videos! 👍👍
Tyvm for the video i would suspect a more comparable blades would be the Freud vs Tenryu. The carbide size would be very close if not equal. What you are comparing is like a tangerine and an orange
The Diablo blades seem great out first but I’ve found the edge retention isn’t there. I’ve had them resharpened too and they’re great for a project or two and then they drop off quickly. The quality of the carbide is the biggest advantage to a better blade in my opinion
I would try tenryu silencer , but primarily I use Freud industrial series blades, they feel very high quality versus their crosseyed cousin Diablo. That’s my experience anyway
The measurements that you conducted were not conducted properly. Every saw blade has a saw set. That is an angle of each saw tooth to the left and right. Each tooth will measure under 1/8”. Measuring two adjacent cutters of the saw set on blade will equal the total width of the kerf which should equal 1/8”.
I hate those red blades. When they get a little older they turn every cut red. I'd rather have a dollar store blade than those darn red ones. Why do they think it's a good idea to paint a table saw blade?
Combo blades are like those crossover vehicles that people are constantly getting stuck off road. Sure they can kinda do the thing, but the serious folks are laughing and pointing... Tenryu "Gold Medal" blades made in Japan are some of the best CONSUMER blades out there.
I think if you’re working with primarily 5/4 and smaller hardwood a combo blade does a totally adequate job. Once you mix in larger hardwood stock and veneer/plywood/melamine it pays to have more specific blades.
Howdy, I do sales/repairs in carbide tooling and wanted to give my two cents on the ATBR, the Raker will 9/10 times sit lower than the ATBs, so you will never get a true "flat" and will most likely have lines for a dado. The Flat mainly keeps the blades straight while the ATBs finishes and trim the edges. Differences from the Premiums and Budgets tends to be harder saw plate (stays more straight as seen in the oak) and grades and size of carbide as you pointed out on the Tenyru. Leaving out a few other of key differences but those are the easiest to see.
Loved the video! Straight to the point and everything was explained well when it came to the sharpening and life of the blade. Got a sub from me today for sure.
Always enjoy my Saturday morning's with coffee and the TodaysCrafsmen :)
Much appreciated! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I appreciate that you didn’t try to make it sound like there was huge difference when there wasn’t.
I use the WEN brands on my miter and TSaw . No complaints . Also I use 7.25 circle saw blades on 5he table saw ,they cost $5.00 .if I hit a nail ,toss it and never look back . Great video .
Cheers
For joinery I use a TCG blade that has been sharpened about 3 times, so it's now a 60 tooth, full-kerf FTG joinery blade. Half the price of a specific joinery blade.
Good video guys, thanks.
I’ve been very satisfied with the CMT ITK Xtreme Orange Chrome Thin Kerf 10" Combination Blade, 50 Teeth, Alternate Top Bevel (ATB) 0.102” Kerf. I get them from Taylor Tools when on sale. (50 tooth $34 right now Dec2024). They don’t have the raker tooth but that doesn’t affect me.
I used the 40 and 50 tooth combination blades and the 24 tooth rip blade when I built the cherry cabinets for my kitchen. Ripping was easy with the 24 as long as I cleaned the buildup off of it occasionally. Minimal burning. Crosscuts using a sled were perfect.
Definitely good to have a dedicated ripping blade!
Good info, Jeff~! I'm not sure that I've heard of Tenryu before, but it's definitely on my radar now. I just picked up a 12" Bosch sliding compound miter saw (to replace my 15yr old Dewalt) and the Bosch vendor attending the show spotted me a couple complimentary blades. He told me that Diablo blades are made by Bosch, but I'll probably buy Tenryu whenever these are ready for replacing. Thanks much~!
...also, many thanks to that guy doing the great work behind the camera~! 😉
Thanks, Andrew! I think they’re a really great value.
I've heard from a few sources that Diablo blades are made by Frued(sp?)in Italy.
That was my understanding too. The Diablo in the video is marked “made in Italy”
It would be interesting to see how the Tenryu blade compares to full kerf premium saw blades from Forrest and Ridge Carbide. 20+ years ago I switched to using full-kerf Forrest Woodworker II blades in my table saws, and 3/32" kerf Forrest Chopmaster blades in my miter saw and radial arm saws. If the wood is held firmly to the tablesaw's table when fed through, rip cuts by the 40 tooth Forrest Woodworker II leave no visible blade marks in the boards. Last year I bought a Ridge Carbide TS2000 24 tooth rip blade and also a Ridge Carbide 40 tooth flat grind "super" blade. The 24 tooth Ridge Carbide blade will also leave no visible blade marks in the boards when ripping, if the wood is held firmly to the tablesaw's table when fed through the blade - the boards surface is a bit rougher when the wood is not held firmly to the table.
I noticed that you were using a zero clearance insert with your table saw. You mentioned that the teeth on the two blades were different widths. Do you think that you would see better results on the bottom sides of the sheet goods if you used a new zero clearance insert for each blade?
I can tell ya…. The cost is $200 vs $20 . Both last about 3-5 months
Always a great video from you guys. Thanks for sharing
Now I want to see which one makes the best Frisbee...
😝 gotta wear gloves for that one.
Yrs ago I stopped using Diablo or Freud blades, mostly because I did cabinetry installs with most pre-finished fillers and crown, the friggin red stain it often left was a serious issue. Went to CMT way back then and haven’t looked back. Honestly the biggest “dulling” of a saw blade isn’t it actually dull, but just dirty/gummed up. Clean your blades regularly and most blades will last much much longer.. I get yrs outa my CMT’s, to be fair, that’s a hobby/home use not a full time shop/professional use, but still shows simple care is more important than the brand often.
Diablo are ok IMO but I don’t use them on projects that need a fine cut for those I either use my CMT orange blades or I buy a new blade. I have not been able to find a convenient resharpening place near me so I do not consider a factor. I am finding that the CMT & Hercules brand blades offer exceptional value, cut great/clean, reasonably priced and last awhile…much better than the Diablo I have owned. Between CMT and Hercules I have never seen the need to buy a more expensive blade.
Interesting video and saw blade comparison Jeff. I would say that for the average DIY woodworker, the less expensive Diablo is a good choice. Obviously, it also depends on the species of wood that is being cut over a given time period. BTW, I really like these types of comparison videos! 👍👍
Thanks, Steve! My hunch is that over time the Tenryu will provide more value but we can’t say definitively without running them both a lot.
Tyvm for the video i would suspect a more comparable blades would be the Freud vs Tenryu. The carbide size would be very close if not equal. What you are comparing is like a tangerine and an orange
The Diablo blades seem great out first but I’ve found the edge retention isn’t there. I’ve had them resharpened too and they’re great for a project or two and then they drop off quickly. The quality of the carbide is the biggest advantage to a better blade in my opinion
I’ve found that they get hot and end up developing a wobble over time. I’ve had them sharpened too but like you said just 1 or 2 times.
Interesting, Jeff. I usually stick with Freud for fine work. I looked at an Irwin blade once and it looked like it couldn't be sharpened at all.
Bill
The Freud Industrial are definitely better than the Diablo. I typically run a Freud Industrial melamine blade on my tracksaw.
If there is a need for 1 blade then i would suggest the Freud Fusion blade.
I would try tenryu silencer , but primarily I use Freud industrial series blades, they feel very high quality versus their crosseyed cousin Diablo. That’s my experience anyway
Ive been using tenryu blade for a few years and really like them over the box store blade brands. I found they lasted much longer.
Agreed 100%!
Any recommendations for a sharpening service company?
Great video. What plywood manufacturer do you use?
Thank you! The prefinished plywood in the video is Pure Bond.
I’m surprised by the rabbit. My cmt combo, if done a little bit slower, leaves a way flatter bottom
Interesting!
IMHO... best blades are made by FS Tool the XL 4000 are the only blades I buy now.
Tenryu isn't really a premium blade. An upgrade but far from anything premium. Grab an FS tool and compare to both IMO.
The measurements that you conducted were not conducted properly. Every saw blade has a saw set. That is an angle of each saw tooth to the left and right. Each tooth will measure under 1/8”. Measuring two adjacent cutters of the saw set on blade will equal the total width of the kerf which should equal 1/8”.
I hate those red blades. When they get a little older they turn every cut red.
I'd rather have a dollar store blade than those darn red ones.
Why do they think it's a good idea to paint a table saw blade?
The diablo are not good, I have never tried the other ones, I have had decent luck with the CMT, I like amana best but they're a lot more money
The last CMT blade I had howled like a banshee. I couldn’t take it; cut nice though. I have a couple Amanas too.
Combo blades are like those crossover vehicles that people are constantly getting stuck off road.
Sure they can kinda do the thing, but the serious folks are laughing and pointing...
Tenryu "Gold Medal" blades made in Japan are some of the best CONSUMER blades out there.
I think if you’re working with primarily 5/4 and smaller hardwood a combo blade does a totally adequate job. Once you mix in larger hardwood stock and veneer/plywood/melamine it pays to have more specific blades.