Guides and Porters on the Annapurna Base Camp Trek in Nepal.
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2017
- This is Episode 17 of the Annapurna Circuit Vlogumentary where Chris and I hike 150 miles around the Annapurna Circuit and Annapurna Base Camp in Nepal documenting all 22 days.
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You two have great chemistry together, I enjoy it very much.
Good luck finishing ur circuit and proud of u coming this far of ur trekking around Annapurna circuit Ryan . Love you 😘
Finally next episode.You guys did a grt work showing the beauty that other travelers didnt show.Keep it on!!
Hi guys, I did the exact same thing (AC & ABC) without guide and/or porter. This was a father/son thing. Not being cheap but we wanted to be self supporting (like what you mentioned yourself: you'll carry what you need on the tour yourself). I also did not want to be responsible for anyone else but ourselves. I'm going back again to do the AC this spring, again not hiring anyone). Gosh I love Nepal! The people, the mountains and the overall experience of just walking without a care in the world. Love your vid's and I'm sorry for your drone. The last images were next to perfect! Cheers!
I have just watched all your vlogs on the Annapurna as I am planning on doing it next year for my 50th birthday. I’m into photography and want to keep stopping like you so a guide or Porter will just get in my way, thanks for sharing all your info it has helped me loads 👍👍
These videos are the best!
Enjoyed your Vlog lots! Looking forward to hear about what you ended up not needing...
Heading to Nepal end of April!
Looking forward to the video of what to bring and what not to bring to the trek! I think it's perfectly ok to trek without a porter or a guide. I would feel weird about making some guy carry my stuff. I really love your video's btw! Greetings from Belgium!
it's cute that you guys are thinking about the guides/porters and the local economy.From a porter's perspective, a tourist in their eyes is a source of income and I can see why they would be /look upset if you didn't use their services however just like any part of the world it's your money and you are entitled to spend or not spend your hard earned money. Don't feel bad about it, and you're not cheap in doing so, there were probably guilt tripping you.
My boyfriend and I are watching all your Annapurna videos and are LOVING it! We head to the circuit next month and you guys are making us super stoked!
Funny we said the same thing about the porters... we just would feel weird and really bad if some poor guy had to carry all of our shit haha just PACK LIGHT! Keep up the awesome videos, love how you guys seem honest and real in front of the camera-- makes it that much more enjoyable to follow your journey!
thanks guys. just stumbled across your videos today. nice video footage and persistence with the blog! I'm heading over to hike the trail in a few weeks. I'd love to have someone carry my bags, but alas no guides we're doing it ourselves. super psyced! thanks guys. 😀
Loved the video!
I really dont think its wrong Ryan, you did great business to every village you stopped by. I will be 53 soon and planning to go to trek to the annapurnas and i want to do it on my own pace. If i can only carry the most necessary shit i can i will and do it with a friend or two. I really enjoyed your videos! Look im in video 19 already and never got tired of it. Its too bad you lost your drone, that could have been so much better as u go to the ABC. Anyway ill go continue watching until the end. YOu both are so sweet. I just love you both.
I've been watching your vlogs (you guys are so frickin hilarious) in preparation to going to Nepal myself, to both volunteer for a small charity and also to walk the ABC trek. I am planning to do it unaided because that's personally the way I really want to do it. If it was somewhere more remote, then of course I'd get a guide, but I am happy to walk on my own (well with all the hundreds of other folk). As you mentioned, the majority of folk decide to hire guides/porters, that's because that what feels right to them. People should respect that everyone has different reasons to make the choice between hiring a guide/porter or trekking unaided. Not choosing to hire someone is not about being disrespectful or unhelpful to the local community, it's just about personal preference.
You are absolutely right Ryan about the fact that you have mentioned above. I used to work in tourism Industry as well back in Nepal at least 10 years ago. travelers already contribute so much onto country once they arrive which include transport, restaurant and hotels, motels, tour operator agencies, paying for permit and taxes and so on. If someone come to travel, it should depend upon them whether they want to have a porter or guide with them or not. If i don't want than I can just go by my self, no one should force traveler what to do. It takes time for people to understand these facts , as you said on your previous video "This is Nepal". I am not being dick, but these things we Nepali people need to understand who works in tourism Industry.
it really diesn't matter! Just enjoy the nature man! Love you from Nepal!
Love from Annapurna's Base camp
Agree with your guide assessment!
the best one yet ! also we are all called cheap ***** when we do not use hire services in most countries, I am with you on this, being responsible for your gear is more important now do to the fact we carry our own customized tech gear, (laptops, hard drives, stuff that gets corrupted easy)
I totally agree lads, after doing Everest BC trek, i realised i needed half the amount i had brought, although the guide was a good way to go when you don't know much about the area you are in. Unless you are doing an expedition for a climb, you really don't need it if you are relatively fit.
Iam enjoying watching ur videos 🤗🤗🤗
I really like your vlog! It's something I can't commit to even though my heart is all about free spirit. It's a nice thing you guys share your thoughts! You guys got any plans after ABC? Best of luck ;] Stay alive!
This episode has me in tears 😂😂😂
hmmm.. good insight on hiring a guide or trekking without one.. Great if you have one as it has multiple positive aspects and may be some cons as mentioned. But there has been some cases (very rare) of disappearance and theft which might be one of the reasons why people need to hire a guide if single or else trek with friends. It feels good you guys are having a great time... Cheers.
thanks again ryan purvis...actually I am from Minnesota tooo.
Yeah !! Daal Bhat power, 24 hour ;)
hi ryan The Annapurnas series is amazing,how's the drone now?
I am from Pokhara but not engaged in Tourism,as an observer i would say that TIMS/ACAP are not just siting & making money.the money paid by trekkers supposedly goes to Nature Conservation Trust & ACAP which runs wide range of biodiversity & environment conservation projects.it also helps local schools and communities.
i agree with most of the assessment that you made about porters & guide.it depends on individual and style of trek one would like to do.lastly porters & guide maybe a bit costly but it saves you time & makes journey much comfortable.
I love your vlog can't wait for next ep.
If you come to thailand again please tell me ha ha
You guys got it right!!!!! Be cheap, enjoy your trip!
Nepal is beautiful!
that 'rad bull' part was really funny..only in Nepal!
I'm with you man, carry your own kit.
We never take a porter or guide, although my wife is Nepali and often carry's my bag and shows me where to go
Superb Videos
Nope , you guys are not talking cheap, you guys are actually one of the coolest trekkers I have ever seen, none of the foreign trekkers that I meet are as cool as you guys and so frank as you were, TBH foreigners don't talk to Nepali trekkers except say namaste, I don't see them laugh make jokes talk silly have fun you know, they are so much one sided, Atleast you guys not getting a Nepalese porter and Guide have conversed with the locals and Nepalese Trekker yourself !!
funny voice over the cows . and great photography of clouds fast forward
Great vlog all the way... now enjoying every day to open youtube to see if there is next episode :) Give more info about expenses and how you book tea houses or you just went how far you wanted in that day and searched for free spot (did already booked teahouses made some problems in trek ?)
oh and how much really permits cost ?
That's the way I would trek the trail, I feel completely the same dude.
Proud of you guys, you just want to enjoy the track and dont want to enslave somebody there :')
You're right Ryan, trekking without guide or porters are trekkers choice. I think government or local wants trekkers to take porters or guide with them because they are trained for emergency situations and this might be strong reason why many trekkers take them. You'll never know in mountains.
Hi, stumbled across this series in preparation of my trek to ABC in October. There never was a question around hiring a porter: it seems ridiculous that you should hire someone to carry stuff for you. I'm planning a pack of 12Kg and should be able to carry it myself, if not... I should not attempt the journey. Simple. I'm happy to contribute to the local economy in other ways. Overall, thanks for the series: it was wonderful and one of the best docuvlogs (is that even a word?) I've seen. I'm enjoying reliving you journey 3 ys after and coming along with you so much!
Appreciate that! And I agree with you mate
I like your videos very much and i have the same opinion about porters and guides on a trail like the anapurna circuit. It's simply not necessary. If i would swim in money i would hire a guide for sure. Just to support local economy. But as my own daily budget lays below the daily rate for a porter/guide i simply can't afford it. I think also it's more interesting to learn about a country if you are not in relationship to a local that is only based on power (money). I also don't get along with alot of people for a long time. Choosing a guide/porter is like a gamble for me.
Guys guides can come handy when you are in worst situation otherwise it's ok and you were trekking in the routes where it's like highway and you get lot of people in the way but there are other routes where you will need a people to guide you. Lots of people get lost while trekking alone. I am just writing this so that people wouldn't assume that it's ok to trek alone anywhere in Nepal.
Actually , I was so enjoying your blog and came up your guide porter thing. The chepest way of traveling?!!!!?com on guys!!! People do whatever they feel to, now I feel you guys sould climb to mt. Everest without guide and porter? Com on you can do it! If possible without oxygen too.
Which bluetooth speaker is that?
Which North Face jacket are you wearing?
I think for people who would like the peace of mind and extra sense of security, hiring a guide is a good way to go. I am a professional adventure guide and it is always great to have work. However, these treks (Camino de Santiago in the same boat) make it almost moot to have a guide unless you're really digging the history of the area and want to know more about the actual place itself. There are always going to be people who can afford to hire a guide and want that as a part of their experience. For me, I like to explore the area on my own and connect with the locals in order to have as authentic of a trek as possible. I also adventure on a budget and doubling my expenses seems a bit outrageous to me. Thanks for the info guys!
In my global travel experiences, I've found a lot of this is cultural depending on the country the trekkers are coming from. Americans tend to be more independent than many other nationalities and don't consider it "real" backpacking if someone is carrying their gear -which reflects what Ryan has stated in the video. However, Americans also tend to be very generous with tips to those in the service industry, so their contribution to the locals evens out in the end if they go without a guide. Several years ago, Nepal proposed making a guide mandatory. But there was so much backlash, that it relented. As a compromise, the independent green TIMS card costs $20, while the blue TIMS card for treks with guides is only $10.
Hey ryan did you get permit to fly drone?? They told that i need a permit ???
"he's single but he works too much" there's never been a truer statement 😂
It's okay to not have guides on beaten trails like Annapurna and Everest. but if you're trekking to some less popular trails like dolpo, makalu, Kanchenjunga or manaslu, you must take a guide with you. I don't think foreign trekkers even gets permit on these trails without guide.
Hello there boys
I have jest loved watching your videos.
My hubby and I did this in the same month 2019, later in October actually. We had every day of stunning blue clear skies. We did hire a porter. My 48kg frame could not carry 15kgs and survive this trek, I’m afraid.
We definitely carried too much stuff. Next time we would take a third.
Have thoroughly enjoyed the series. You have Aussie humour I reckon.
Haha I do love the Aussie humor. You follow theinspiredunemployed?
@@ryannpurvis gday ryan
I just literally finished your 23 episodes today and it brought back lots of memories for us.
The rats in the tea houses (only at high camp of the Pass) but I really think ‘your what to bring’ list was spot on.
I haven’t seen the uninspired unemployed, but being in the education field it is my wish to inspire students to hikevto amazing places like I have and enjoy the beauty of our world.
You should check out the Larapinta trail in Central Australia. Tasmania has brilliant coastal walks.
Loved the down to earth humour of both yourself and Chris. A deadset great series!
@@ryannpurvis I reckon you’ll love this one.
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I will check it out! And it’s the inspired unemployed on Instagram. 2 Aussie blokes just silly
Couple of legends!
I live in the Uk and still have dhat bhaat as my dinner everyday..
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6:45 Pink Floyd FTW!
Guys I would like to invite you to India to do Leh Ladhak trip..if interested we can plan
I have the same thing, I'm a hiker and always carry my own things. It would just feel wrong to have someone carry them
Hey Ryan I'm from Nepal but now I'm in Colorado. Don't miss the Mardi Himal also. That's my village ghandruk
I have to support most of your thoughts considering guides and porters but it might be good for old people or people who are insecure in a foreign country.
How much did you spend in all the journey??
I made a video explaining everything. I believe its ep.22 where we go over our gear. hope this helps
@@ryannpurvis I am watching all your Movies, but I ain't there yet 😉 will get there soon. Thanks again man. Cheers 💪💪💪
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You really dont need a porter. Its just that porters here think that khaire(foreign tourists) are rich because you guys are from a developed country with nice house, nice cars nice buildings, and wear nice clothes and all the stuffs. what they dont know is that travelling does not have shit to do with how rich you are.
Yo... Back on the trail again .. @flo pilot beat ya,,,haha
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It might be worth mentioning that the monthly wage in Nepal is $60 a month and they have very few social services. Couple that with the 40% decline in tourism since the earthquake and a lot of the little villages in the region are doing it tough. Employing someone on $10-20 a day makes a huge difference to their lives for a comparitably small sacrifice on our part.... Not to mention how much easier it is on the knees to walk without a pack!
** ** I don't think it's Ryan's or anyone's duty to pay for a porter and/or a guide.in fact I'd go so far to say that to suggest it is is quite a patronising attitude in itself which helps foster an attitude of resentful entitlement on the part of some would be porters.I've trekked with some great and very professional guides as well as great porters but they're simply not necessary on a trek like this one particularly for these two strapping lads. I've also seen people with drunk and aggressive guides that have ditched their clients halfway through. Unfortunately tourists seem increasingly to be viewed crudely by a section of Nepali society as a source of money and nothing else. In a way I blame the World Bank who suggested back in the 90s that tourism would be a good way for Nepal to boost its GDP. The problem with this is that it has meant that Nepal's cultural and natural heritage has to some extent been debased and become a hollow token who's intrinsic value has been forgotten for its capacity to get (comparatively) rich western tourists to put their hands in their pockets and help oil the local economy with hard currency. Tourism isn't all bad and its economic contribution is not to be sneezed at, but there's a cultural and experience element too.Also remember that Ryan's paying for his board and lodging every night, it's comparatively cheap but still more expensive than what most Nepalis would pay.
There is no obligation, helping a local community is just a nice thing to do. I agree it isn't necessary, anyone can carry a backpack on the trek but some people get a kick out of helping people along the way. Things are so tough there that accomodation is generally free when you pay $5 for a meal. Providing work is just a small way to make things better for people.
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own opinion
Did everyone told u that u need porter or guide? May b 1 or 2 out of thousands ..... so chill... further it's only possible in abc to go alone .... try going to dolpa.... I bet ur view will change.
Ryan ... how are the weeds ??? And i think you are in your rights not to hire any guide or porter … its you adventure … have it your way ...
mate, just grab one of your nepali friends residing in US, Aus, Eng or Ind.
That way you can learn much about the culture and not hire a porter.
Nepal is chill.
If you travel light you don't need a porter. Tea houses changed the game because they provide alot of services. Yeah, as a backpacker you are cheap,duh.
Carrying yo own shit is super cool! Nobody gonna do your shit like the way you do! Haha literally 😂😂
Well I think if you have an injury or something and your just not able to do the track with your rucksack then it`s okay. But at the end I think you dont need a porter at all.
I guess I would feel bad too seeing someone carrying my stuff all the way, even tho I'm paying them....
yea man i agree with carrying your own shit cos other than slaving them, its like you are missing the whole genuine experience of trekking.
It’s a moral dilemma in a way. I remember when I hiked up volcano Ijen in Java there were these men trying to make money with offering to carry/roll struggling tourists up with a wheelbarrow. I was struggling as I felt a bit unwell but while I knew they could need the money , I could not bring myself to make these locals carry me up in a wheelbarrow , it just feels incredible wrong ! So I i wouldn’t hire a porter to carry my bag either , just feels incredibly wrong : western tourist letting Nepalese locals carry their stuff ? Just has some weird colonial vibe around it , so no thanks. Also : yes of course we are privileged to be able to travel but not every traveller is rich & people save up months if not years to afford trips. As long as you spend money locally by eating and lodging and buying souvenirs , that helps the economy too. You even bought half of your clothes there :) all good mate 😀
In nepal cris* wear more makeup doll
Younger hikers tend to be broke with a strict budget to follow so they won’t be hiring a guide, but they lack cultural awareness and respect and don’t “get to know” the locals and can run into trouble complaining about food or board at the tea houses. A guide dispels all these problems and can make sure you get served whatever and whenever you want your food or drinks!!!
My advice would be DON’T be a cheapskate and wait until you are a bit older with a salary to back up your travels like a BOSS... that way you’ll be saving yourself a lot of stress and unhappy nights trying to figure out all kinds of situations by yourself, plus you will earn more respect from the locals by appearing to be less ignorant and more interested in Nepali people. Porters only carry and it is unfair to expect them to have good English skills. Usually it is mainly a handful of female trekkers that “have to have” extra bags of clothing and make-up with them as well as bulky cameras etc.
ultimately these treks quickly reveal just how materialistic people have become and how poorly the privileged can adapt to coping by themselves.
In summary it is the Nepali porters and guides who are usually the unsung heroes of the trails. It is arrogant of young Westerners to just assume they don’t need any help in the Himalayas.
Not even about money i go for relative isolation and to get away from any social bs if a porter and guide was free i wouldnt want it, i dont even like going with more than 1 friend alone is best. I see guides n porters get protective of their customers and act stuck up towards me, the guides n porters are the worst ppl ive come across in nepal its all so fake, i stayed 3 months in a guys village i met in kathmandu his dad growing weed and that was real not about money at all. The tourist trails where you find the worst side of nepalis in my experience, i wouldnt want a guide brownnosing me or giving me his ego i prefer to focus on the setting.
No you dont have to hire a porter or a guide, thats your own choice.
And Yes you are being a cheap if your budget is 10$ a day. The country also rely on tourisme and their tips like in your own country. Please dont go to Asia with a 10$ budget and bargain like you are broke because you are not.