STRANGER THINGS 4 Ending and Upside Down EXPLAINED

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • Stranger Things 4 is barreling toward its finale, with several questions to answer. What is the Upside-Down? How do the kids' powers work? Why did Eleven's powers go away? Has One been the Mind Flayer, all along?
    In this video we present a theory that explained EVERYTHING in the show. The monsters, the upside-down, One, and we want to hear your thoughts/
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    Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 718

  • @ScreenCrush
    @ScreenCrush  2 роки тому +174

    What do you think of our theory?

    • @arushreedattaram9428
      @arushreedattaram9428 2 роки тому +4

      Could be possible

    • @wolfbro82
      @wolfbro82 2 роки тому +1

      Geeze, give me a second to watch it... Man your pushy

    • @arushreedattaram9428
      @arushreedattaram9428 2 роки тому +1

      @@wolfbro82 I’m done watching it

    • @wolfbro82
      @wolfbro82 2 роки тому +1

      @@arushreedattaram9428 show off

    • @specterknight3023
      @specterknight3023 2 роки тому +3

      Onion theory has solid layers ✌️
      Also did they inadvertently make a way to clone items? Double up on inventory! Two Guitars!
      Hypothetically the upsidedown can save everyone by doubling up on resources.
      (Grabs a version of my computer from the upsidedown for extra parts 😂)

  • @jacobtennyson9213
    @jacobtennyson9213 2 роки тому +84

    Here is the problem, When Henry-001, Vecna was banished in the Upside Down, He also sees demo-creatures who had already physical forms.

  • @PadishahEmperor1
    @PadishahEmperor1 2 роки тому +14

    Fringe is so underated!

    • @clauzga8029
      @clauzga8029 2 роки тому +3

      We need more Fringe videos!!

    • @cinne2135
      @cinne2135 2 роки тому

      Fringe superfan right here!!

  • @encognitusmaximus7598
    @encognitusmaximus7598 2 роки тому +13

    I feel like Will went from Plan A to Plan B (or a contingency or backup plan) since first being abducted and pulled into the Upside Down. Like Vecna was going to use him in some way. Bc he mentioned in a previous season the Mindflayer wanted to kill everyone but Will. Maybe will had a natural ability like Vecna and when he possessed him he took it, like how he took 11's ability to open portals. But now Will is a back up. We don't know if Vecna left something locked up in Will's mind, like a piece of himself or something to use later or, again, a backup.

  • @shannond7437
    @shannond7437 2 роки тому +5

    Love it but still curious how Will saw Joyce’s Christmas light letters if everything in the upside down was frozen on the date he entered!

    • @InutehUnicorn
      @InutehUnicorn 2 роки тому

      If I recall correctly, the moment something with light is activated in a place the Upside Down has, the object appears

    • @Missacek
      @Missacek 2 роки тому

      @@InutehUnicorn The object itself does not appear but its light signature does and can be manipulated from upside down

    • @Playlist4Ella
      @Playlist4Ella 2 роки тому

      He's seeing time progress in the real world but time isn't affecting him I think.

  • @CoolKidsPlayground
    @CoolKidsPlayground 2 роки тому +2

    Please more stranger things content!!!

  • @dennisstevenson1608
    @dennisstevenson1608 2 роки тому

    I’m really glad Eddie had the exact same guitar hanging in the same spot and the same amount of amps 3 years earlier.
    That distraction wouldn’t have been nearly as badass if he was going through his folk days in ‘83 and had an acoustic hanging

  • @ktmansfield1016
    @ktmansfield1016 2 роки тому +2

    I really hope that the show makes it to 1988 so Metallica's "One" can be used during the epic showdown with 001.

  • @damientom
    @damientom 2 роки тому +4

    Interesting theory, but there's an incorrect fact in your premise. El didn't open/create a gate to the upside at the same time Will went missing (by going into the upsidedown). El made the gate sending Nō1 to the upside down.
    Then later the first demigorgan appeared to transverse to and from the upsidedown; and then some time after that Will entered the upsidedown.

    • @bobjohnson9201
      @bobjohnson9201 2 роки тому +1

      As we can see from the trailer for the rest of the season, El closed the gate after 1 went through. And then it was when she touched the demigorgon that the gate from season 1 opened. And it seems that was the day Will was taken by the demigorgon.

    • @martinerzpro
      @martinerzpro 2 роки тому

      Came here to comment this! And just to add to your thought after El sends 001 through the portal, that is the first time we see any connection made to the upside down. Then in their testing of El that they say is for locating anyone in the world when in reality they're most likely trying to reconnect with wherever she sent 001. That's when she connects with the demigorgan reopening whatever kind of connection needed to the upside down that allows the demigorgan to go through and eventually kidnap will. I think the demigorgans were just the first attempt to kidnap people so Vecna could build his psychic connection now he's strong enough to do it himself.

    • @damientom
      @damientom 2 роки тому +1

      @@bobjohnson9201 the first known gate wasn't created on the day Will went missing, it was before.

    • @damientom
      @damientom 2 роки тому +1

      @@martinerzpropersonally i don't think that everything in the upsidedown is an extension of Vecna. The first demigorgan was hunting and strongly attracted the the scent of blood (if memory serves), and there was the demidog that rissited the hive mind. Besides I don't like the idea from a world building view.

    • @martinerzpro
      @martinerzpro 2 роки тому

      @@damientom oh I agree. I don't think Vecna created the upside either but he would certainly use the inhabitants to do his bidding. Once he was trapped there by El I think his arrogance of being sent there by someone more powerful would be his motivation for trying to get back. Psychically connecting to any creature he can to build his connection maybe. So even if the demigorgan was hunting with the scent of blood we have already heard Vecna take credit for Barb's death which would only make sense if he was psychically connected to it already.

  • @amandawray08
    @amandawray08 2 роки тому +4

    Okay but I would watch videos on Fringe if you ever wanna do that! That show was AWESOME!

  • @OrbitZombie
    @OrbitZombie 2 роки тому +1

    Fringe may be an influence, but the Duffer Brothers have definitely mentioned Elfen Lied.
    Also the irl government experiments with psychics during the cold war are obviously referenced. And mkultra.

  • @brettlovell8761
    @brettlovell8761 2 роки тому +2

    This theory went from "guy on the subway" to "guy on the Nobel dais" in record time.
    The Duffers have said most of the Upside Down lore is in season 5 though. Here's to hoping they come through in a big way!

  • @schools6555
    @schools6555 2 роки тому +3

    3 more days!!

  • @ejvazquez6
    @ejvazquez6 2 роки тому

    Ryan has been smoking some reeeeally good stuff lmao. Great theory - I’m actually blown away

  • @ZombicidalMadMom81
    @ZombicidalMadMom81 2 роки тому

    OH PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Talk about Fringe!! I loved that show, it needs to be talked about more lol

  • @alexchopov
    @alexchopov 2 роки тому +36

    didn't Dustin call Vecna "Midflayer's 5 star general"? So that implies Vecna's submission to the Mindflayer. Furthermore, in season 2, they say that the Mindflayer travels across dimensions enslaving them, which again would imply Mindflayer's seniority.

    • @rikerFFXI
      @rikerFFXI 2 роки тому +5

      Yes to at least the first part for sure but Dustin could be wrong … isn’t it strange that things line up to D&D? Maybe it’s BECAUSE #1 designed it in the image of something he was familiar with?

    • @sunxnes
      @sunxnes 2 роки тому +9

      Just because a character said something doesnt make it true. The kids in Lenora also called Jane the town snitch but she never snitched on Angela.

    • @-Diop-
      @-Diop- 2 роки тому

      I honestly prefer the idea of a Lovecraftian being of uncomprihensible nature being the one in command but it does make sense that Vecna is actually the puppet master, it favors the world building

    • @Space_Toasty
      @Space_Toasty 2 роки тому +4

      Vecna is waaay more powerful than a mindflayer though, at least in dnd.

    • @alexz.8302
      @alexz.8302 2 роки тому +3

      Lost me at "Furthermore."

  • @killz2liv3
    @killz2liv3 2 роки тому +4

    Can you please actually talk about Fringe? That was an amazing show.

  • @merannicuill6435
    @merannicuill6435 2 роки тому +3

    I actually think you may have solved the Upside Down!

  • @ryanlaabs6034
    @ryanlaabs6034 2 роки тому

    The demigorgon was there when 001 arrived. We see it crawling around when he first arrives. Things were there before him, so something more powerful is probably there

  • @kritichaplot5025
    @kritichaplot5025 2 роки тому +2

    I liked some parts of the theory such as the creation of the upsidedown and the onion analogy. But I think it is wrong to say that Vecna's mind lair exists since Max says to Vecna that he's not really here and runs towards the portal through which she can see HERSELF. And we never see her actually leave the portal and neither do the other three (Steve, Dustin, Lucas) notice the portal between the real world and Vecna's lair when the song starts. So Vecna's lair is definitely only in Vecna's mind and Max reverse-leglimancy-ed him like Harry to Voldemort. On the other hand, the upsidedown definitely exists as a mirror image of our world (the negative print) and was created the day Will disappeared, just as Ryan said, helping Vecna create a connection back to the real world as eleven opened the gate.

    • @teetheluchador
      @teetheluchador 2 роки тому +1

      It does exist cause we’ve seen the characters physically in the upside down go there. The thing with max was vecna taking over her mind of course she wouldn’t physically come out the portal because her body never physically left. Vecna can like snatch peoples consciousness on his webb and drag them to the upside down.

    • @vshazam
      @vshazam 2 роки тому

      @@teetheluchador when did Vecna snatch someone's consciousness and physically drag them to his mind lair? His victims have been his mother, sister, Chrissy, Fred, and Patrick. All of their bodies were found in the real world Hawkins, they never went anywhere.
      Nancy went to his mind lair while she was already in the Upside Down and about to leave. But she went into a trance and her body just stood there like everybody else, she didn't physically go anywhere either.

    • @teetheluchador
      @teetheluchador 2 роки тому +1

      @@vshazam did i say he dragged somebody physically there?? Never said that once. I said he takes their consciousness there but it’s a real place because the people we saw physically walk into the upside down had went there.

  • @DwyTheGuy
    @DwyTheGuy 2 роки тому

    My man tapped into the neural network for this theory, well done

  • @richardthemagician8991
    @richardthemagician8991 2 роки тому

    Quite Doug! Ryan can talk about FRINGE all he wants!

  • @soozshooz
    @soozshooz 2 роки тому

    We have heard several people say over the course of these 4 seasons including vecna himself that the people he killed are not gone they’re still with him in his mind. He has absorbed all of their gifts and is able to use them. I think every one who died, we will see again as an undead soldier of vecna’s army. Dustin said something about the only ones who might be able to help are the undead because they don’t have any brains for vecna to manipulate.

  • @docacuwatson
    @docacuwatson 2 роки тому +1

    All of this is Henry Creel's psychotic break. He has DID.

  • @danielroberts7298
    @danielroberts7298 2 роки тому

    Brilliant! I can't wait for part 2 to drop. Thank you. 😎

  • @paoloperez-rubio4526
    @paoloperez-rubio4526 2 роки тому

    He pulled up the math help PowerPoint and I got flashbacks like Will

  • @PhienixxStJames
    @PhienixxStJames 2 роки тому

    I love how you break it down, down to the detail

  • @valerisingleton5555
    @valerisingleton5555 2 роки тому +2

    Why did they not need oxygen masks in the upside down like before?

  • @snarfsnarfff
    @snarfsnarfff 2 роки тому +1

    How come 008 wasn't in the flashbacks?

  • @fullmetalfalk
    @fullmetalfalk 2 роки тому +1

    doesnt this theory assume that the Mind Flayer and Vecna are one and the same?
    They are certainly connected but im not sure if they are one.

  • @chroniclerorsini3601
    @chroniclerorsini3601 2 роки тому

    Rewatching the first season, they foreshadow a lot of season 4 in The Flea and the Acrobat.

  • @billybarnett2846
    @billybarnett2846 2 роки тому

    It's so obvious that they're copying Nightmare on Elm Street. The villain is Krueger all the way, from killing kids to haunting them in their dreams. They're going to dream warrior the ending.

  • @dannydimes4987
    @dannydimes4987 2 роки тому

    I think your actually spot on

  • @jayTmix89
    @jayTmix89 2 роки тому

    Awesome theory!!! Love it!!

  • @captainnakou
    @captainnakou 2 роки тому +6

    I was coming to say the same things that others : Vecna is supposed to be a 5 star general of the Mind Flayer, which is supposed to be the ultimate bad guy, and *(see spoiler in the read more) .
    But, it's just Dustin theory. Placing the monsters of the upside down in the context of D&D, giving them names and status inside a potential hierarchy, is just theory from the gang. So Dustin may be wrong in who's the boss in this situation, as you can be wrong about your theory. Although even if I thinks putting the higgs boson/god particle in the system is maybe a reach, but the interconnectedness of human minds and it taking the shape of the real world once connected to it as an explanation to the existence and form of the upside down seems for me to be the right theory.
    =========== Spoiler
    [Spoiler trailer S4 Part 2] that the Mind Flayer is supposed to be at least partially stuck in Siberia, meaning he learned to survive outside the upside down and is probably the reason Vecna can reach it too, maybe called by the Mind Flayer, and attacking eleven's friends just as a personal treat while he's working on the MF big plans of domination.

  • @pdonettes
    @pdonettes 2 роки тому

    My understanding was that 11 got her powers from her mother, unlike the rest of them, who got them from 001

    • @IllyrianHighlander
      @IllyrianHighlander 2 роки тому

      001 is 011’s father

    • @pdonettes
      @pdonettes 2 роки тому

      @@IllyrianHighlander That would be crazy. Is the age right?

    • @arshu_parshu1999
      @arshu_parshu1999 2 роки тому

      @@IllyrianHighlander there is no proof for that

  • @renatogalvaotavares
    @renatogalvaotavares 2 роки тому

    i love it and explaned everything

  • @zekeschultz
    @zekeschultz 2 роки тому

    Man! You're the only other person I've heard compare the kids to the ones in fringe. Walter was a much cooler scientist than Brenner! I wish your channel was doing videos when fringe was on, would have loved your take on everything. If it did exist then I wasn't aware of any channels like this back then anyway. Rant over

  • @NerdOnNet
    @NerdOnNet 2 роки тому

    Great theory.
    Love the Jujutsu kaisen cameo.
    I'm starting to think Doug can actually talk😮‍💨

  • @amercoffee
    @amercoffee Рік тому

    I love this theory. it explains everything SCIENTIFICLY!! although i don't think that this is what the writings are going for it is so interesting. but stranger things is based off a bunch of 80s movies and a fantasy game, not science i still love the concept of this.

  • @joshelderkin9592
    @joshelderkin9592 2 роки тому

    One made the upsidown red it wasnt always red thats just more of his influence

  • @buddieshadow
    @buddieshadow 2 роки тому +5

    Love this theory! And I love the discussion about where this is going. I definitely don’t think will get the whole story this season. But they said they have plotted it all out and I imagine they know exactly how this is all gonna end now. And I think they’ll be one more villain beyond Vecna.

  • @PJ-vf4kf
    @PJ-vf4kf 2 роки тому

    I love your dog😊

  • @tomtys4913
    @tomtys4913 2 роки тому +1

    I am a simple man.
    When I see a Fringe reference, I press the like button.

  • @montyjohnn2826
    @montyjohnn2826 2 роки тому

    Very good explanation!! Thank u

  • @flemous4688
    @flemous4688 2 роки тому

    was eleven mother related to 001 making eleven and vecna only was creation portals for example 010 isn’t fully related to vecna therefore she can’t open portals like them two

  • @LisaLeeLeeBlue
    @LisaLeeLeeBlue 2 роки тому

    I understand why Nancy’s friend at the pool and Max’s brother didn’t count as 4 deaths for the apocalypse, but why didn’t Eddie’s death count? Why did it have to be Max? I know she was marked, but was there a reason? @screencrush

    • @sidewayzlz2187
      @sidewayzlz2187 2 роки тому +1

      i belive vecna has to do that mind sucking ritual

    • @LisaLeeLeeBlue
      @LisaLeeLeeBlue 2 роки тому +1

      @@sidewayzlz2187 that makes sense. Eddie and the other two did not have the mind sucking rituals. Can’t waittt for season 5. Longgggg wait

  • @camm941
    @camm941 2 роки тому

    demogorgons already existed before 001 got there, when he got there Henry say a demogoron walking on the rock in the barren wasteland before he really made it the “upside down” so he couldn’t have created the upside down. but it’s safe to say that he created the mind flayer, he used to draw it as a kid, dustin’s theory is probably wrong.

    • @azzy9293
      @azzy9293 2 роки тому

      What if he didn't do it intentionally, what if the upside down connected to his mind the same way he connects to other people's minds, what if the upside down is the whole reason that they can connect to other minds. So when he got sent to the upside down it connected to his subconscious and created physical forms to represent how he felt or sees things in his mind. Don't know something to think about

  • @shinXcreate
    @shinXcreate 2 роки тому

    So it's the force, got it. ;)

  • @HeyTexasItsMe
    @HeyTexasItsMe 2 роки тому

    Vecna is 11’s dad.

  • @josecerrud1079
    @josecerrud1079 2 роки тому

    the mind flyer is it own thing...like the main boss, and vecna is a high rank that works wih the main guy.

  • @SimplySameep
    @SimplySameep 2 роки тому

    Very Nicely & Logically explained.. 👍🏼💪🏼😃

  • @mjw1111
    @mjw1111 2 роки тому

    So good. So science-fictiony!

  • @derkyspritegames7910
    @derkyspritegames7910 2 роки тому

    Yeah the Mind Flayer is still the true big bad and I think that is what we can see in the trailer (the black spinning dust). Vecna is more so the top guy in his army and seems to get powered up when connected to the Mind Flayer

  • @bryvades
    @bryvades 2 роки тому +1

    When is ScreenCrush gonna have some Easter Egg videos for Season 4? You did them for previous seasons, how come there isn’t any episode updates by you guys? Your really missing out on views, do you not care about Stranger things anymore? Same for Umbrella Academy…..

  • @cooperr.09
    @cooperr.09 2 роки тому

    you are cool at explaining

  • @yukairifrancksteelt5238
    @yukairifrancksteelt5238 2 роки тому

    And if the body mind of Crysi and the other guy (friend to Nancy) are in his world maybe if you broke the body the gate can be closed, he maybe need his minde body for late the gate open

  • @shnc27
    @shnc27 2 роки тому

    my personal theory is that eleven created the upside down when she sent one there, im pretty sure that happened the same day will went missing right?

    • @yensid4294
      @yensid4294 2 роки тому +1

      The original showdown between One & Eleven happened in 1979 & she had blocked the memory of it. Will went missing /Eleven escaped in 1983.

  • @bmla88
    @bmla88 2 роки тому

    A video on stranger things 4? Did Obi wan’s season end or something?

  • @Alwuwa
    @Alwuwa 2 роки тому

    Your hands must have stank of onions :D. But this is a spectacular theory

  • @munen343
    @munen343 2 роки тому

    I love the jujutsu kaisen clip. Just love that.

  • @RollinsTVSyed
    @RollinsTVSyed 2 роки тому

    Genius 🧬💪🏾🔥

  • @MallRatsXoXo
    @MallRatsXoXo 2 роки тому

    Did you do a season 4 volume 1 explained video??

  • @nattercakes2384
    @nattercakes2384 2 роки тому

    I like the theory I just hope vecna isn't the creator or the one who manifested the mind flayer. I feel like it would undermine the flayer being this big force that frighted will so much. I prefer it being the manifested form of the upside down and 001 was manipulated by it forming him into vecna

  • @theguy2324
    @theguy2324 2 роки тому

    How right you where

  • @137Ebay
    @137Ebay 2 роки тому

    This aged well.

  • @genx7006
    @genx7006 2 роки тому +98

    Great theory. But I don't think it explains the creatures Vecna found when he first entered the alternate world. He explained the realm was "unspoiled by mankind" and that he "saw so many things". The creatures were physical in nature and according to some spoilers for the 5th season...they have a pecking order. Vecna may have shaped or merged with this new realm, but there was something already there when he landed in it.

    • @PaunchyDuck
      @PaunchyDuck 2 роки тому +8

      Or someone had already been their

    • @FunkyChicken251
      @FunkyChicken251 2 роки тому +3

      This video was before the final episodes came out

    • @alveolate
      @alveolate 2 роки тому +1

      @@FunkyChicken251 what? no this was revealed in the final ep...
      oh, by 'this' you meant ryan's video, ok...

    • @Cestariarts
      @Cestariarts 2 роки тому +14

      He's no God. People say he "created" the mind flayer. Nope, he merely weaponized it

    • @emen5411
      @emen5411 2 роки тому +8

      Could be just me but despite what is implied visually during Vecna explaining his back story I took the flesh being torn off him as he entered meant he was responsible for introducing organic life to the upside down - just a thought - he’s the daddy to demogorgons demodogs etc

  • @jackburkhardt7
    @jackburkhardt7 2 роки тому +251

    FINALLY! A theory that doesn’t falsely rearrange details! A theory that actually uses logic to connect all of the details known thus far! This is a really solid theory, and it does a great job at putting the different dimensions into perspective. I thought I was the only one who was convinced that the upside down, Vecna’s lair, and the place which he was first banished to weren’t the same.

    • @wadewilson8011
      @wadewilson8011 2 роки тому +11

      And turns out the theory basically hit it dead on the nail.

  • @acbennett7
    @acbennett7 2 роки тому +148

    Just FYI...in an interview with the Duffer Brothers they said we would not be getting all the info on the Upside Down THIS season but it will be fully explored and explained in Season 5.

    • @Zero-ss6ef
      @Zero-ss6ef 2 роки тому +11

      @@sairachiodini Yep. That's just season 4 vol. 2. The show is ending in season 5.

    • @nateh1135
      @nateh1135 2 роки тому +1

      Probably haven't thought it all through yet. Quick! Someone send this video to them lmao

    • @artofficialjoe
      @artofficialjoe 2 роки тому +5

      I just heard season 5 will be set in the 90’s. So there will be a time jump between seasons I guess.

    • @nateh1135
      @nateh1135 2 роки тому +1

      @@artofficialjoe Wait, according to who? I can't seem to verify this.

    • @GojoTheHonoredOne9
      @GojoTheHonoredOne9 2 роки тому +1

      @@sairachiodini
      Season 5 has been confirmed for like a year now...

  • @lordodysseus
    @lordodysseus 2 роки тому +166

    This might be one of the most batshit crazy theories I've ever heard about Stranger Things. I love it!
    I guess we'll find out tonight.

  • @artofficialjoe
    @artofficialjoe 2 роки тому +564

    I think we always have to listen to Dustin in this show. Every theory or explanation that Dustin has had within the show has been right. He says that the mind flayer is the main “big” bad and refers to Vecna as a 5 star general and the demagorgan as the foot soldier. He seems to always be right so I’m not sure that lines up with this theory. Either way it’s awesome to speculate.

    • @archangel5627
      @archangel5627 2 роки тому +50

      I completely agree with you and I think you’re absolutely right. As much as I love Ryan’s breakdowns and explanations, I really think he’s wrong on this one. Just basing what we know from What Dustin has said, Vecna is NOT the BIG BAD of Stranger Things. The Mind Flayer is. So far, every season EXCEPT this current one, the Mind Flayer has been the main threat who’s been pulling all the major strings. I’m still basing my opinion from Dustin’s personal explanation and with that being said, it’s only now within the current season that Vecna’s power grew strong enough to actually affect the physical world. The Mind Flayer is using Vecna’s abilities to further his goal of finally being able to enter our plane of existence by using all of the portals/gates that Vecna opened through the death of his victims. The Mind Flayer will always be the main Big Bad of the show and I’m sure we will see this as the fourth season comes to its conclusion and inevitable closure. This season may be about Vecna and the threat he poses but make no mistake, season Five will be all about the Mind Flayer and the final showdown between our world and the encroaching presence/ melding of our plane and the Upside Down.

    • @artofficialjoe
      @artofficialjoe 2 роки тому +5

      @@archangel5627 that’s what I think as well but we shall see. 🙌🏻

    • @JohnSmith-bq6nf
      @JohnSmith-bq6nf 2 роки тому +4

      I agree it doesn't line up and Dustin is right Vcna may be season 4 and final boss of upside down season 5.

    • @arvindhans3218
      @arvindhans3218 2 роки тому +15

      I guess this time the duffer brothers are trying to distract us. Vecna can control minds of people in Hawkins when he is not physically present whereas the mind flayer like in season 2 at the best could only access them and I feel that Duffer brothers would like to bring a stronger villain each season .Now I feel that it will mostly be a symbiotic relationship where Vecna has to open portals and the mind flayer would provide him with the necessary power to fulfil his wish

    • @themaskedraff
      @themaskedraff 2 роки тому +8

      I think the reason so many Vecna theories have really emerged is because the Mind Flayer feels like a character we've explored enough now, so people think he couldn't be the biggest bad because it's not a big bad if you know everything about him or he feels Stale I guess? But in reality there is so much we can still explore about Sir Flaysalot, but yeah I agree with you chappo

  • @Theelder-brainy
    @Theelder-brainy 2 роки тому +5

    The demogorgons was already in the core

  • @smolinii
    @smolinii 2 роки тому +156

    nobody’s talking about how this guy was literally spot on for the ending of season 4

    • @ChocoDee_Hz
      @ChocoDee_Hz 2 роки тому +5

      My thoughts.

    • @chelseagatien7413
      @chelseagatien7413 2 роки тому

      Which vid

    • @charlesroberts-moses6074
      @charlesroberts-moses6074 2 роки тому +6

      But he wasn’t? Vecna shows that the reason el lost her powers was from the piece of the meat puppet in her leg as he said he needed her powers (to open portals) and showed her trying to move the car and failing. The first place Vecna falls isn’t his mind scape, it’s just a random rocky plain where demogorgons and the mind flayer particles already exist. Henry liked spiders because they were predators and he felt they reflected his world view. Only thing he was right about was his final statement

    • @chelseagatien7413
      @chelseagatien7413 2 роки тому +1

      @@charlesroberts-moses6074 no, he was right if they’re talking about that 30 second long snippet from the end of the other “explained” video for part one… he makes a quick prediction at the end that Vecna and his minions will win.. and the final scene will show Vecna’s army moving into Hawkins.

    • @smolinii
      @smolinii 2 роки тому +2

      @@charlesroberts-moses6074 reread my comment. I said the *ending*. He predicted that monsters would flood the city.

  • @tigermind108
    @tigermind108 2 роки тому +89

    I love this theory, and can't wait to see how it stacks up against whatever we learn in the season finale. The only thing I'm not sure I agree with is the question of where Vecna's physical form is.
    From what I remember, there are scenes where we see him hunting for or actively interacting with his victims, intercut with images of him suspended by the vine-things in his back. I took that to mean his physical body is in the Upside-Down version of his childhood home, physically "wired" into the Upside-Down's sort of neural network, and he's using it to project himself into the minds of his victims. When Max ends up in the red mist mind-palace he has going on, my take on that scene was that she'd stumbled onto the mind-link Vecna had made with her and followed it backwards into *his* mind. When we see Nancy walking around that same environment in ep 7, I thought that time he'd purposefully done it-although I have to admit I can't see why he elected to show her his Tragic Childhood Backstory. But given One's Epic Villain Monologue clocks in at just under ten minutes long, he clearly has a habit of oversharing. (No shade meant for Jamie Bower, dude delivered the *hell* out of that speech and I loved every second of it.)
    Ugh, now you're gonna make me rewatch this season so I can think about this some more!

    • @rachelg3274
      @rachelg3274 2 роки тому +4

      Agreed! These are my thoughts, exactly. It explains why he seemed surprised and a little alarmed when he asks Max something like “why are you in here?” Or “how did you get in here?” I agree with you about the speech to Nancy, too. I don’t know why he would tell Nancy his origin story except for that he knows she is curious about him and maybe that made him feel important and “seen” - But I didn’t like that such an otherwise interesting villain had to suffer from the typical bad guy cliche of the “here’s my backstory” and “here is my dastardly plan” exposition scene. That part disappointed me. It wasn’t creative and seemed out of place. I think they could have figured out a much better way to express the backstory that would not have been as cliche and corny.

    • @toddkilber1971
      @toddkilber1971 2 роки тому +4

      @@rachelg3274 Doesnt every god like villian like to give a orgin story to justify why & this feeds the narcissism of these characters.

    • @ljc5277
      @ljc5277 2 роки тому +1

      @@toddkilber1971 Yeah, I mean, the dude has the makings of a serial killer. He tortured and killed animals to see what would happen, justifies his behavior as some kind of sign from on high that he alone was meant to "cleanse" the world, victimizes himself by telling others that they made him do it, and wants everyone to know his grand plan. He's not wrong that Earth is full of oppressors and people "just following orders" but he nevertheless became an oppressor anyway. If this was a regular drama, he'd be Ted Bundy.

  • @Classicalsin484
    @Classicalsin484 2 роки тому +22

    Great theory… side note… in the show we are only a month away from Chernobyl… I would love if the season ends or if the Russians accidentally rip a gate between worlds at the site that cause problems for everyone causing Vecna to “win” to finish the season, or the final clash causes a gate there since hopper and them are in russia

    • @thomasbuttigliero6752
      @thomasbuttigliero6752 2 роки тому +6

      It's an interesting theory, and Stranger Things is all about cold war and parodies of both sides. Justifying what happened to Cherbobyl must happen carefully, everything that happened there was due to the corruption and the inefficiency of the russian system and that shouldn't be forgotten or manipulated in any way, not to cause any misinformation. But using that event as a trigger for a bigger catastrophy, and maybe having it still being due to the arrogance of the russian government would be cool. Even though no serious historical event was told in this series, and talking about only one would mean probably deaming it. Interesting idea though

    • @venomau5speedz
      @venomau5speedz 2 роки тому

      You know in real life, the locals of Chernobyl reporting seeing strange creatures before and after the reactor ☢️ 🚨💥exploded. Most notably the mothman 🦟 especially 😬 true story not making this up! 😳😨

  • @corbin101
    @corbin101 2 роки тому +19

    10:00 I agree with this heavily! When 001 fell into the portal it was very similar to the depiction of Lucifer’s fall

  • @allencruze218
    @allencruze218 2 роки тому +3

    If it’s a snapshot like a negative then why didn’t it snap to when 001 initially when into the void. And only when Will went in.

    • @therockingvolbeat3630
      @therockingvolbeat3630 2 роки тому

      I believe it’s the mix flayer who’s in control. The upside down was just raw energy, but with each Strong connection the upside down grows. Which is why the mindflayer is so fixed on our world.
      So the last strong connection the upside down had was with Will. Which is why it’s stuck in 1983. Maybe when the Russia gang release the mindflayer in vol 2 the mindflayer could connect with someone, inadvertently changing the upside down whilst the Hawkins gang are still inside it.

  • @simohamadlafram8709
    @simohamadlafram8709 2 роки тому +3

    why 11's sister has different powers

  • @melomet3789
    @melomet3789 2 роки тому +9

    This is my favorite video you've produced. Absolutely beautiful work!

  • @ebethbarr1807
    @ebethbarr1807 2 роки тому +6

    I’ve been waiting for more ST content from this channel, I love it!

  • @schools6555
    @schools6555 2 роки тому +6

    I think the MindFlayer will still be the top dog and number one his general like Dusty Buns said.

  • @kevinor8811
    @kevinor8811 2 роки тому +2

    It absolutely will not be an explanation based on theoretical science. It’ll be supernatural for sure

  • @vitoremanueldelyrasantosna1607
    @vitoremanueldelyrasantosna1607 2 роки тому +27

    This theory implies that 001 is the final boss, but I don't think that's the case. They are usina Classic monster from D&D and, dragons aside, we're still missing one monster that I'm betting will be the final boss in season 5... The Beholder! I have 0 hints of that, but I know in my heart

  • @CantankerousDave
    @CantankerousDave 2 роки тому +8

    Aw, I miss Fringe.
    Also, it’s atoms themselves that are largely empty, with a teeny tiny nucleus surrounded by electron valences waaay out, comparatively speaking.

  • @r8m8s8
    @r8m8s8 2 роки тому +2

    You are talking about the show like it actually happened 🥸

  • @doctaflo
    @doctaflo 2 роки тому +2

    the quantum physics portion of this video is pure gibberish

  • @jbran478
    @jbran478 2 роки тому +1

    Late to the party here... I have a comment/thought/question about when Vecna/Henry/1 was explaining what happened when he was first transported to the "upside down." To me is looked like what earth would have looked in its earliest phase of being a planet (4.5 billion or so years ago). I found this interesting yet, nobody is really talking about it. Also, he commented on that he thought he was sent to hell and to us that's how we would possibly imagine what hell would look like. Could this be the origin of where humans came up with, not the concept of hell, but rather somebodies first hand account of this place? Maybe somebody, thousands of years ago went to the "upside down" and that story has been passed down through the bible and other religions.
    I love your interpretation of the creatures and where they came from. Its a messed up version of who came first, the chicken or the egg? My only comment with you saying Henry created them, is the Demogorgon was already there when he first got there. However, I do think he controls them with the "particles" because that's what happened at the Russian prison when the shadow was, "in them." I just don't think he created them, and there's still the question of who/how where they created?
    I really hope you read this and love your channel. Thanks!

  • @arvindhans3218
    @arvindhans3218 2 роки тому +1

    Ryan your theory is great but I am sure that the Duffer brothers would not provide such a Nolanistic explanation consider this is a teen show
    So my theory goes like this I am not sure how 001 got his powers but I think that upside down is like a powerhouse which gives him the necessary powers so that it can access other worlds like the use of its powers would create a kind of power thrust or power vacuum into the world it wants to conquer for example when eleven defeats vecna , demogorgon it opens gates which might be due to such a large use of power and the test kids like 001 , 011 are its hive network of the upside down which it doesn't have control over and guys wait do not reject it just yet because think in season 3 it acted like it wanted eleven but why maybe eleven might be the true key for It to conquer the world because think when mind flayer came in season 3 it wanted eleven as soon as it entered it might not be revenge but it might realise her true potential like think now eleven has no powers so does the mind flayer MIGHT BE SPOILER!!!!
    11 might realise this and sacrifice herself .It might not look so right but think of it from story telling and screenplay point its a circle where 11 starts and ends everything

  • @adhdmed
    @adhdmed 2 роки тому +4

    Vecna said in the last episode that he didn't have the ability to open up gates between the upside down and real world. He said he stole that ability from Eleven

  • @samsonsliteye
    @samsonsliteye 2 роки тому +1

    STOP talking about physics... you clearly have NO IDEA of physics...
    watch PBS spacetime and then give it another shot if you really want to go into physics...

  • @umangumathe6911
    @umangumathe6911 2 роки тому +1

    Your explanation for god particle was totally wrong🤣🤣
    Higgs field or Higgs boson (god particle) is the thing which gives mass to fundamental subatomic particles i.e. Electron, quarks, neutrinos etc. I don't know how you just created this universal neural network from this🤣🤣

  • @dustyfob
    @dustyfob 2 роки тому +16

    I love and agree with most of this theory, but they mentioned that Vecna is a general, as in a guy in charge, but not THE guy in charge. I still think they have one more season after this one in July that’ll cap it all.

    • @joshua-de8ip
      @joshua-de8ip 2 роки тому +5

      That IS true, but remember this was said before the kids knew really anything about 001.
      Though in the context of a series, the scene was given too much attention for it to not hold some water, if not, it would be a bit strange

    • @FishyGuy
      @FishyGuy 2 роки тому +5

      The Mind Flayer IS the guy in charge. I have a feeling that we will find out who or what he is and how he is using Vecna

    • @adamdrach5394
      @adamdrach5394 2 роки тому

      @@FishyGuy he is not being used by the mind flayer, he gave the mist monster a form, a form similar to a spider/mantis creature. Vecna is pulling the strings.

  • @Bromeliadsss
    @Bromeliadsss 2 роки тому +8

    Love how rooted in reality yet “magical” this show is.

    • @JoshuaAndres
      @JoshuaAndres 2 роки тому +1

      It’s like the last of us, where the infection is very much grounded in science

  • @jamesdominguez7685
    @jamesdominguez7685 2 роки тому +1

    Not trying to hate on your theory, but your particle physics summary is pretty far off-base. We already know that atoms are made of electrons, protons, and neutrons, and we also know that these particles are also made of smaller building blocks called quarks, which as far as we know are the smallest units of matter and energy in our universe. Hadrons (which can be either mesons or baryons) are made up of a small number of quarks, but not enough to build an entire electron, proton, or neutron. If an atom is a house and a quark is a brick, a hadron is like one section of wall.
    The Higgs boson is a special case: it isn't built out of smaller particles, but it is quite large. It only exists briefly before decaying into a bunch of smaller particles, but it's theorised to be the particle that gives all matter mass. In very basic terms, the universe is built out of energy and matter, and they have to come from somewhere. While most other fundamental particles are packets of different flavours of energy, but the HB is what provides the mass, which gives matter weight and solidity.
    I am not a physicist by any means, just an avid amateur reader of science, and I've probably made a few mistakes of my own in this comment, but I think it's pretty close to the established theories.

  • @supers4972
    @supers4972 2 роки тому +1

    I cant believe nobody caught the Nightmare on Elm St Easter egg of the 'adults' going to the big bads lair to burn them alive. This is how Freddy was originally created. I bet Heavy Spoilers steals this

  • @mitchgunzler3737
    @mitchgunzler3737 2 роки тому +1

    That’s not remotely how the physics works. If you just want something that sounds sciencey, exercise your poetic license. I just worry that people might believe the mumbo jumbo and even repeat it.

  • @Vova-xv3zn
    @Vova-xv3zn 2 роки тому +1

    that's way too much real world science for a scifi story. unless the show writers watch this and like the idea, it's probably just going to be parallel worlds and a rare psychically capable/magical kid. especially the part about 4 sacrifices makes it more ritualistic than logical

  • @aesonica
    @aesonica 2 роки тому +1

    That's not how the God Particle works or what it is. All Higgs-Boson particle does is give mass to things that pass through it's field. It's not a force that can push particles either.

  • @christophersekulo4157
    @christophersekulo4157 2 роки тому +1

    The dog cutaways are so fucking cringe. I’m embarrassed to show people these videos.

  • @ArinJager1
    @ArinJager1 2 роки тому +1

    so, it works kinda like psi-moon from Red Dwarf... _got it!_ :D