Wow this is some incredible information! I have been practicing Vipassana in the line of SN Goenka for the past 9 months... I hope this information is relevant to what I am practicing. It surely sounds like it. Peace and Metta
Profound sharing! It is very useful for me as it helps to shed some light of where I’m at this point as a Vipasana practitioner. Please, sending you profound love and respect ❤️🙏🏻
Is it beneficial to know which level i am ? Will it enhance anything? Can i just keep on watching my breath as a technique until i leave this body? Thank you!
There is quite a lot of arrogant claims on “knowledge” in Vipassana and mindfulness teachings nowadays, as if we know something just by setting up cognitive concepts, psychological terms, which borders on epistemology and metaphysics. An ordinary person does not know this, not before extensive vipassana training and not after it. It is an self aggrandizing gesture that rather fosters dishonesty and futile wishes of getting "wiser than Thou". Of course sitting still and silent sometimes is all good, but Vipassana is not primarily about that. Let us see step by step. 1. Knowledge to distinguish mental and physical states (namarupa pariccheda nana). - It is well known that mental and physical states blend and mix, so that nobody really can distinguish them, which is why these concepts in reality are vague. 2. Knowledge of the cause-and-effect relationship between mental and physical states (paccaya pariggaha nana). - Another abstract term about causality. There is no way of defining that interaction, we can only assume it mentally and produce talk about it. The philosopher David Hume showed some centuries ago how expectation and desire always distort any concrete “knowledge” about causality. 3. Knowledge of mental and physical processes as impermanent, unsatisfactory and nonself (sammasana nana). - We have no knowledge of “Anatta” or nonself, it is a metaphysical assumption for a religious or philosophical discourse. Most buddhists, by the way, adhere to Mahayana assumptions where the self certainly is the central core of our being, which makes salvation by the Maha-Sattva Buddha possible. 4. Knowledge of arising and passing away (udayabbaya nana). - This is another poetical and vague phrase, “arising” and “passing away”. Probably acts of fantasy, thinking, impulses of will, intuition are referred to. There is no essential “knowledge” about it. 5. Knowledge of the dissolution of formations (bhanga nana). - Another metaphysical notion, analogous to seeing something form and dissolver, like clouds on the sky, or figures in moving waters. You don’t have to sit in silence in order to perceive these nice things in nature. 6. Knowledge of the fearful nature of mental and physical states (bhaya nana).- This is assuming, that metal states are “fearful” and it comes close to “demons” or “dark forces”, maybe in association with Mara, the temptress of Siddharta in the story, much influenced, historically, by the Devils temptation of Jesus in the desert for forty days. 7. Knowledge of mental and physical states as unsatisfactory (adinava nana). - This is a value term “unsatisfactory” applied on mental and physical states and represents no real knowledge, since one person may appreciate a state and another find it unsatisfactory for one or more reasons. 8. Knowledge of disenchantment (nibbida nana). - Sometimes we naturally feel “disenchanted” for one or several reasons. There is no special knowledge about them. Reading Tolkien makes us all a bit enchanted about mountains and woods and caves, a part of our creativity one might say. 9. Knowledge of the desire to abandon the worldly state (muncitukamayata nana). - This desire is common among men and women in all cultures, not least the Christian tradition and certainly among monks and nuns. It is a spiritual longing, not a specific knowledge attained by sitting still. 10. Knowledge which investigates the path to deliverance and instills a decision to practice further (patisankha nana). 11. Knowledge which regards mental and physical states with equanimity (sankharupekha nana). - To regard states with equanimity is a universal virtue, allowed for in almost all cultures. One may argue that keeping still furthers this tendency and is a cultural value. 12. Knowledge which conforms to the Four Noble Truths (anuloma nana).- The Four Noble Truths are simple observations with the use of causality thinking and the will to avoid suffering. The main thing is the avoiding. One defines suffering as negative and want to escape it. This is the early atheistic buddhism, which Vipassana tries to emulate, very much like the greek cynics and stoics in Europe. 13. Knowledge of deliverance from the worldly condition (gotrabhu nana). - This is the will to escape what one defines as negative. It is not a knowledge or insight. Siddharta Gautama died allegedly from food poisoning, and that was the factual deliverance. 14. Knowledge by which defilements are abandoned and are overcome by destruction (magga nana). - This is a highly sophisticated metaphysics about “defilements” and the erroneous assumption that anyone can “abandon” them. We have yet to see a person doing that. Much of the caste system, although buddhism generally withstand this system, is built upon the metaphysics of defilement and impurity of certain individuals and classes. 15. Knowledge which realizes the fruit of the path and has nibbana as object (phala nana).- The will to escape what is defined as negative is often an object for human being, there being no special knowledge in this, nor any true assertion of realizing this “fruit”. 16. Knowledge which reviews the defilements still remaining (paccavekkhana nana).- This is rather the only realistic notion we find in VIpassana. After many years hard practise we can observe that human experience is what is always was - a mix of states we define as pleasurable and states we tend to avoid.
Sounds like when all these points you make sink deeply in to ones consciousness... There probably might be a significant release from a lot of things that bring affliction to the human condition. Just saying.
How to know the moment of ENLIGHTMENT? When entering path and fruition while in vipasanna meditation. Vipasanna mind purification start with breath awareness. One sitting meditation when is well develop, one meditation enter jhanna and complete calm mental state.(tranquillity) It will further rise to mind become completely STILL(upeka) Upon reaching the mind become completely STILL one enter nibanna into cessation of mundane conciousness. (your concious shut down) One sitting meditation become unconcious because the mind shut down by itself. At the moment of shut down one do not know as it enter into cessation of conciousness into nibanna. One sitting is not affected because at this time before one enter nibanna, one has already enter jhanna and upeka and these jhanna are holding the body erect. Usually in normal human concious if one become unconcious one body will collapse. But when mind purification is established with develop jhanna the body without mundane concious do not collapse Upon entering nibanna one mind become perfectly pure as one is unconcious of presant samsara existence cease. The sensual body and mind are vanish at this moment. One will not know when this happen as one is already unconcious from this existence. One will come to realise after one return(fruition) from nibanna experience and awaken again in samsara existence. One own body and mind temporarily disappear as if one is unconcious upon ceesation of nama rupa. It is In this way one enter nibanna upon cessation of mundane concious entering the path of enlightment. One upon enter nibanna and experience it one will return and gradully return to re-awaken in mundane existence and become concious again in this existence. The return state begins with vibration on every parts of the body, every parts from the toe finger tips and to every parts of the body. One can sense and feel it clearly as the mind and body are filled with pleasurable feelings. One is very joyful,very pleasurable, happy in every parts of the body and mind. This feeling just continue to stay as it wish. As one continue to experience such wonderful feelings whole body rapture and as rapture begin to subside, one begin to notice the sitting meditation position is erect and is easy and is without disturbances. It is pure mind. Nothing disturb it. And as pleasurable whole body feeling gradually and slowly subside, one starts to recollect the ceesation experience (nibanna) as to how one come to experience it. One now recollect clearly how one enter nibanna, exist in nibanna free from disturbance free from pleasurable feelings, free from all thoughts, pain, sufferrings, peaceful and calm. Such experience let one realise the different between sansara existence and nibanna existence. It is here he understood he is now an Enlighten being. After one experience ceesation, nibanna is understood, one understanding the samsara sufferring existence has nothing comparable to nibanna experience.He understood the meaning of ENLIGHTMENT completely. Samsara sufferrings has come to its end and NIBANNA one come exist. EXISTENCE free from sufferrings. One linage immediately transform. He is now an Ariya. Ariya consist of SOTOPANA, SAKADAGAMI, ANAGAMI, ARAHATSHIP. This is the attaiment as according to the teaching of LORD BUDDHA. sadhu, sadhu, sadhu May all those who seek to know nibanna experience it here in this life.Wonder experience indeed. BUDDHAM SARANAM GACCHAMI DHAMMAM SARANAM GACCHAMI SHANGHAM SARANAM GACCHAMI.
@@ChanmyayYeikthaBC Whoa really? Thank you! This is very kind. While I have you, I seem to have been facing a roadblock. My intention is to experience the 4 form jhanas. I feel the piti in my body, but it doesn't deepen. Maybe it's as simple as abandoning the hindrances... I still have thoughts in the background. Perhaps a simple pointer?
Everyone has different ways of getting there and different outcomes of the passing through the abyss of nothingness. Work out your own way dont listen to anyone else or you will get hung up don't let mara distract your goal mara is within you as is nibbana.
@@capitalistcommie6846 q bhai. Mene to kitane bhikshu ko bhudh ban ke liye bas akhari samadhi ki jarurat hi...vaha tak pahuche ak samadhi or bhudh honge .. to q nhi ..India me ...ha me age 2 4 sal me bhikshu sang me samil hoga
@@maheshjadhav4973 bhai ek baar 10 din ka Vipassana Shivir karo....waha se aane ke baad kisi aise bhikkhu se milo jo Vipassana krte ho..... Ye udta panjabi meri hi id hai
@@chungus674 ye akhari line muje samaj me nhi aae ..me 10 day ke 9 course. 2 sattipatan.2 dhamaseva.1 20 day long course. .abhi December 20 day or karunga....ha me Bahot bar try kiya lekin ..phir bhi ...thanks sir ..
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Wow this is some incredible information! I have been practicing Vipassana in the line of SN Goenka for the past 9 months... I hope this information is relevant to what I am practicing. It surely sounds like it.
Peace and Metta
S. N. Goenka ji teaches more deeply as you progress to the advance discourses. It is same I assure you, a little up and down may be, but same.
Wish meditation heal the world and establish values and ideal society.
May you wish become fruitful.
Many, many thanks. You are generous with this knowledge. It is presented so clearly. Sadhu! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
You are much welcome.
Amazing! Simply Amazing Wisdom! Thank you! Im grateful!
That was enormously insightful and helpful. Thank You!🙏🏻
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Glad it was helpful!
A fine talk on experiences in vipassana meditation and the path.
I learnt from my teachers.
Profound sharing! It is very useful for me as it helps to shed some light of where I’m at this point as a Vipasana practitioner. Please, sending you profound love and respect ❤️🙏🏻
I am happy that I can help.
Sadhu sadhu sadhu, thank you Bhante 🙏🙏🙏
Sādhu Sādhu Sādhu 🙏🙏🙏🌻
Thank you! I am grateful.
You are so welcome
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Namo Buddhaye
Enlightment is the shutting down of mundane 6 senses.
One who experience it will know.
BUDDHAM SARANAM GACCHAMI
Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu
Shadhu Shadhu Shadhu
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Is it beneficial to know which level i am ? Will it enhance anything? Can i just keep on watching my breath as a technique until i leave this body?
Thank you!
Thank you , will keep on practicing! 🕊🙏😊
There is quite a lot of arrogant claims on “knowledge” in Vipassana and mindfulness teachings nowadays, as if we know something just by setting up cognitive concepts, psychological terms, which borders on epistemology and metaphysics. An ordinary person does not know this, not before extensive vipassana training and not after it. It is an self aggrandizing gesture that rather fosters dishonesty and futile wishes of getting "wiser than Thou". Of course sitting still and silent sometimes is all good, but Vipassana is not primarily about that.
Let us see step by step.
1. Knowledge to distinguish mental and physical states (namarupa pariccheda nana). - It is well known that mental and physical states blend and mix, so that nobody really can distinguish them, which is why these concepts in reality are vague.
2. Knowledge of the cause-and-effect relationship between mental and physical states (paccaya pariggaha nana). - Another abstract term about causality. There is no way of defining that interaction, we can only assume it mentally and produce talk about it. The philosopher David Hume showed some centuries ago how expectation and desire always distort any concrete “knowledge” about causality.
3. Knowledge of mental and physical processes as impermanent, unsatisfactory and nonself (sammasana nana). - We have no knowledge of “Anatta” or nonself, it is a metaphysical assumption for a religious or philosophical discourse. Most buddhists, by the way, adhere to Mahayana assumptions where the self certainly is the central core of our being, which makes salvation by the Maha-Sattva Buddha possible.
4. Knowledge of arising and passing away (udayabbaya nana). - This is another poetical and vague phrase, “arising” and “passing away”. Probably acts of fantasy, thinking, impulses of will, intuition are referred to. There is no essential “knowledge” about it.
5. Knowledge of the dissolution of formations (bhanga nana). - Another metaphysical notion, analogous to seeing something form and dissolver, like clouds on the sky, or figures in moving waters. You don’t have to sit in silence in order to perceive these nice things in nature.
6. Knowledge of the fearful nature of mental and physical states (bhaya nana).- This is assuming, that metal states are “fearful” and it comes close to “demons” or “dark forces”, maybe in association with Mara, the temptress of Siddharta in the story, much influenced, historically, by the Devils temptation of Jesus in the desert for forty days.
7. Knowledge of mental and physical states as unsatisfactory (adinava nana). - This is a value term “unsatisfactory” applied on mental and physical states and represents no real knowledge, since one person may appreciate a state and another find it unsatisfactory for one or more reasons.
8. Knowledge of disenchantment (nibbida nana). - Sometimes we naturally feel “disenchanted” for one or several reasons. There is no special knowledge about them. Reading Tolkien makes us all a bit enchanted about mountains and woods and caves, a part of our creativity one might say.
9. Knowledge of the desire to abandon the worldly state (muncitukamayata nana). - This desire is common among men and women in all cultures, not least the Christian tradition and certainly among monks and nuns. It is a spiritual longing, not a specific knowledge attained by sitting still.
10. Knowledge which investigates the path to deliverance and instills a decision to practice further (patisankha nana).
11. Knowledge which regards mental and physical states with equanimity (sankharupekha nana). - To regard states with equanimity is a universal virtue, allowed for in almost all cultures. One may argue that keeping still furthers this tendency and is a cultural value.
12. Knowledge which conforms to the Four Noble Truths (anuloma nana).- The Four Noble Truths are simple observations with the use of causality thinking and the will to avoid suffering. The main thing is the avoiding. One defines suffering as negative and want to escape it. This is the early atheistic buddhism, which Vipassana tries to emulate, very much like the greek cynics and stoics in Europe.
13. Knowledge of deliverance from the worldly condition (gotrabhu nana). - This is the will to escape what one defines as negative. It is not a knowledge or insight. Siddharta Gautama died allegedly from food poisoning, and that was the factual deliverance.
14. Knowledge by which defilements are abandoned and are overcome by destruction (magga nana). - This is a highly sophisticated metaphysics about “defilements” and the erroneous assumption that anyone can “abandon” them. We have yet to see a person doing that. Much of the caste system, although buddhism generally withstand this system, is built upon the metaphysics of defilement and impurity of certain individuals and classes.
15. Knowledge which realizes the fruit of the path and has nibbana as object (phala nana).- The will to escape what is defined as negative is often an object for human being, there being no special knowledge in this, nor any true assertion of realizing this “fruit”.
16. Knowledge which reviews the defilements still remaining (paccavekkhana nana).- This is rather the only realistic notion we find in VIpassana. After many years hard practise we can observe that human experience is what is always was - a mix of states we define as pleasurable and states we tend to avoid.
Sounds like when all these points you make sink deeply in to ones consciousness... There probably might be a significant release from a lot of things that bring affliction to the human condition.
Just saying.
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How to know the moment of ENLIGHTMENT?
When entering path and fruition while in vipasanna meditation.
Vipasanna mind purification start with breath awareness.
One sitting meditation when is well develop, one meditation enter jhanna and complete calm mental state.(tranquillity)
It will further rise to mind become completely STILL(upeka) Upon reaching the mind become completely STILL one enter nibanna into cessation of mundane conciousness.
(your concious shut down)
One sitting meditation become unconcious because the mind shut down by itself. At the moment of shut down one do not know as it enter into cessation of conciousness into nibanna.
One sitting is not affected because at this time before one enter nibanna, one has already enter jhanna and upeka and these jhanna are holding the body erect. Usually in normal human concious if one become unconcious one body will collapse. But when mind purification is established with develop jhanna the body without mundane concious do not collapse Upon entering nibanna one mind become perfectly pure as one is unconcious of presant samsara existence cease.
The sensual body and mind are vanish at this moment. One will not know when this happen as one is already unconcious from this existence. One will come to realise after one return(fruition) from nibanna experience and awaken again in samsara existence.
One own body and mind temporarily disappear as if one is unconcious upon ceesation of nama rupa.
It is In this way one enter nibanna upon cessation of mundane concious entering the path of enlightment.
One upon enter nibanna and experience it one will return and gradully return to re-awaken in mundane existence and become concious again in this existence.
The return state begins with vibration on every parts of the body, every parts from the toe finger tips and to every parts of the body.
One can sense and feel it clearly as the mind and body are filled with pleasurable feelings.
One is very joyful,very pleasurable, happy in every parts of the body and mind.
This feeling just continue to stay as it wish. As one continue to experience such wonderful feelings whole body rapture and as rapture begin to subside, one begin to notice the sitting meditation position is erect and is easy and is without disturbances. It is pure mind. Nothing disturb it.
And as pleasurable whole body feeling gradually and slowly subside, one starts to recollect the ceesation experience (nibanna) as to how one come to experience it.
One now recollect clearly how one enter nibanna, exist in nibanna free from disturbance free from pleasurable feelings, free from all thoughts, pain, sufferrings, peaceful and calm.
Such experience let one realise the different between sansara existence and nibanna existence. It is here he understood he is now an Enlighten being. After one experience ceesation, nibanna is understood, one understanding the samsara sufferring existence has nothing comparable to nibanna experience.He understood the meaning of ENLIGHTMENT completely.
Samsara sufferrings has come to its end and NIBANNA one come exist.
EXISTENCE free from sufferrings.
One linage immediately transform. He is now an Ariya. Ariya consist of SOTOPANA, SAKADAGAMI, ANAGAMI, ARAHATSHIP. This is the attaiment as according to the teaching of LORD BUDDHA.
sadhu, sadhu, sadhu
May all those who seek to know nibanna experience it here in this life.Wonder experience indeed.
BUDDHAM SARANAM GACCHAMI
DHAMMAM SARANAM GACCHAMI
SHANGHAM SARANAM GACCHAMI.
What's the chant at the start called?
Salutation to the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha.
I'm trying to go through the stages, but I don't really know where I'm @
@@ChanmyayYeikthaBC Whoa really? Thank you! This is very kind. While I have you, I seem to have been facing a roadblock. My intention is to experience the 4 form jhanas. I feel the piti in my body, but it doesn't deepen. Maybe it's as simple as abandoning the hindrances... I still have thoughts in the background. Perhaps a simple pointer?
Mindfulness Insight Meditation d
@@ChanmyayYeikthaBC do you happen to have a website link?
@@ChanmyayYeikthaBC what is eaddress of society
satipatthana.ca
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Everyone has different ways of getting there and different outcomes of the passing through the abyss of nothingness. Work out your own way dont listen to anyone else or you will get hung up don't let mara distract your goal mara is within you as is nibbana.
Kaha kis jagah ham bhi sang bhikshu sang me samil ho sakate
@@capitalistcommie6846 q bhai. Mene to kitane bhikshu ko bhudh ban ke liye bas akhari samadhi ki jarurat hi...vaha tak pahuche ak samadhi or bhudh honge .. to q nhi ..India me ...ha me age 2 4 sal me bhikshu sang me samil hoga
@@maheshjadhav4973 bhai ek baar 10 din ka Vipassana Shivir karo....waha se aane ke baad kisi aise bhikkhu se milo jo Vipassana krte ho.....
Ye udta panjabi meri hi id hai
@@chungus674 ye akhari line muje samaj me nhi aae ..me 10 day ke 9 course. 2 sattipatan.2 dhamaseva.1 20 day long course. .abhi December 20 day or karunga....ha me Bahot bar try kiya lekin ..phir bhi ...thanks sir ..
@@maheshjadhav4973 aap kaha ke rehne wale ho......Maharashtra se ho kya???
@@chungus674 yes I am from maharashtra.. maz ratnagiri gav .. now I am here to kalyan.....
Which are the 13 stages?
Very helpful to my practice
Satu, satu, satu Sayadaw. 🙏🙏🙏 May I ask your name Sayadaw? Thank you for this teaching. 😁🙏❤️
My name is Sayar Myat.
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