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This sounds nothing like SA. You don’t get in a bath with a dude the first time you meet him and just let stuff like this happen. Sounds ridiculous. Guy sounds majorly weird, but almost none of this reads like it’s actually SA.
How is it SA when they all consented? When you just find yourself at Neil's house When you just find yourself in his hot tub When you just find yourself in there for the remainder of the time you work for the family When you get it up the ** with butter and asked to call homedude "master" When you're asked to lick up your own ** (I mean you were asked, not forced) When all the accusers "play along". When the victims do it in front of Neil's kid without saying "HELL NO" and leaving. When you don't say NO after you find out he won't marry you and make you his special woman... ...Then you are a s*x slave, unable to get away, according to the facts. Are you all starting to see a pattern? Same with Vince McMahon's "victim". Homegirl was 40 years old when she was supposedly victimized.
@@rutgerhauser2377fact. Same as those who really speak out against something so loudly. How many gay pastors and right wing politicians are there being outed? Matt Gaetz was a know pdf but no one batted an eye. All of this virtue signaling just because the person doesnt agree with your politics is sick.
@majinbobbyhill828 i dislike Matt Gaez and find him annoying af but he was investigated by the FBI for years and no evidence of him being a pedophile was found. Democrats have a habit of using false allegations to attack Republicans which doesn't help. Pedophilia is a very serious accusation, I don't like to throw that around without proof because it damages ACTUAL victims of Pedophilia like myself.
@@majinbobbyhill828 no evidence was found of Matt Gaez being a pedophile by the FB in an investigation, Democrats like to throw around accusations like that for political gains.
@@rone.7735 Yup. Like honestly it's so weird there's like an 80% when you see a celebrity who champions something like this that they're actually up to no good. It's keeps happening. Probably one of the best things about the internet now is it exposes how genuinely weird so many famous people are. Imagine what's going on we don't know about 🤮
Like ambush predators blending into their environment. Now granted, considering false accusations seem to be more numerous that the stars in the sky these days, I'll wait to see if there's any evidence behind these. However it is amusing his own "Believe all women" shctick is back to bite him in the ass.
They were willing to take the money instead of going to the authorities. The acts are abnormal and not something someone in limelight would want reported even if they were consensual. I guess my point is, was it criminal, he’s done, why did the women wait so long, and the whole thing is a mess.
This is why celebrities as a whole should never be put on pedestals. Nor give way to idolatry. My, my...their decadence is dying with thunderous silence.
Amen. Celebrities, politicians, people in general. Never make them out to be better than what they are at the end of the day: people! And people are flawed individuals who will make mistakes or do terrible things while trying to place innocent/superior/morally clean.
Amanda Palmer is a celeb who brought the young impressionable girl (who openly admitted to having a crush on Palmer) into their house. Why no discussion about abuse of power and grooming re: Palmer?
Not to mention that according to one of the victims, Gaimon saying too bad it isn't like the good old days where we could both have you... predator couple
I couldn't care less about Neil Gaiman's sex life. Apparently, he's into BDSM, it's the old question of consent. What shocks me here is his hypocrisy: Gaiman was a huge wokist, male feminist and advocate of believe all women, enjoy your karma now.
Though on a smaller scale, almost everyone I've met/known who acts overly woke and virtue signally is actually quite toxic once you get to know them. It's a cover up to over compensate.
The threat to the world on the Sandman show was that people had their dreams stolen, I was thinking the real threat to the world was nobody in it was straight and nobody would make babies.
I'm not defending him in any way, shape of form. If he's a scumbag, he's a scumbag (personally, I couldn't stomach him prior to any of this). But what I don't get is why the accusers would comply and keep complying, and only now retroactively decide it was an issue. Like the first one, the babysitter. I'm sorry, but she wasn't a naive child that was groomed, didn't know any better, and had no way of escaping. Rather, she was a grown woman, who knew what she was doing, and who opted to stay in the situation, probably due to monetary benefits. If someone hires me as a babysitter and offers me a bath: yeah, I'm out of there momentarily, and I'm not coming back. I'm not sitting in their lap, and I'm not getting back for more baths and fingers and such up my ass.
Cause they were really wanting money from the beginning and going along with it to get more money.. dudes is a scumbag but I feel not sympathy towards those women they knew what they were getting into
If the woman "knew what she was doing," then wouldn't Gaiman (a much older, more experienced guy) also know what he was doing? I could totally see myself, in my impressionable early 20's, being coerced into something I didn't actually want to do because of fear or wanting to be liked. Unfortunately, sexual assault is often muddier and less straightforward than most people think. Most people want a black-and-white, easy to understand situation (i.e. woman getting attacked while on a jog). But the reality is that assault more often occurs within a relationship -- it can even happen within a marriage. It wasn't so long ago that there was no law against marital rape. It was simply assumed that being married constituted continual consent to sex. And for the record, adults absolutely can, and have, been groomed. Think of it as a kind of brain washing. Requiring a black-and-white situation before we're willing to call something "assault" is ignores a large portion of the systematic manipulation that can occur within romantic and sexual relationships. Factor into it that someone like Neil Gaiman has way more power, money, and influence than the young, practically homeless girl his family employed, and it becomes even more problematic. Even interpreted in the most flattering light, Gaiman had sex with a girl 40 years younger than him within hours of her being employed to be his babysitter. Even without the assault angle, I'd already consider this exceptionally unprofessional and a red flag.
@@jennifernicole954 Sure, but most of what you're asserting are separate points entirely. If you get there for babysitting, and get a finger up your ass your very first day, AND you keep coming for it, instead of pressing charges or at least cutting contact, provided that you were legally able to consent in the first place & remove yourself from the situation (and she was a legal adult, arguably with no substances forcibly involved to the point of severely impaired judgement, and she was presumably free to go and not keep returning), yeah, sorry, but then it's on you as well, to a degree that's for sure more than 0. I never said adults can't be groomed, or that he wasn't in a position of disproportionate power & responsibility - I simply stated, and to clarify, that she, at that moment, wasn't a child that was been groomed, which would be a different category, for obvious reasons. She had a degree of agency in the situation, and she made a serious of judgements that she later regretted. I don't even dispute the 'moral sleaziness' of it all. Beyond that, I'm not at all interested in going deeper into this rabbit hole of guessing, projecting, or defending someone's mental states, motives, or poor judgements, or past tragic history. There are courts for a reason, assuming that this even qualifies.
I was in the goth scene in the early 90s and remember the girls that were obsessed with Gaiman. Some of the shit they said they wanted to do to him was frankly beyond anything a reasonable person would think. The girls that thirst after this monster are also monsters that are into this shit. The fact that they would go to him then keep going back through the humiliation tells you who they are. I am not condoning his activities, I have always known he was sick, but these women are sick too.
Most of the women mentioned in the article were not fans. One of them was seriously psychologically and financially vulnerable. Another was dependant on the real estate Gaiman owned. They were not seeking out kink with no real consent rules.
That's my first reaction,however, what if Neil has something which he can use against her in case she rebel against him? (like Diddy style video tapes)
i once got into a youtube spat with neil gaiman...its was concerning the casting of a 'diverse' actress in the role of Pepper in the tv version of Good Omens series 1... Pepper in the Good Omens novel is pale skinned, red haired girl and so, in typical fashion, was portrayed by a 'diverse' actress who was neither pale skinned or red haired... the reason for my instigating comment was that by changing the look of the actress it changed the dynamic between 'them' and the four horsemen of the apocalypse...the character of Pepper was meant to be a mirror to the female, pale skinned, red haired character of War... gaiman said that the actress was the best person for the role...i did some light internet research and found the the 'close 2nd choice' for the role was a young, pale skinned, red haired girl...
That's what he froze me towards him for good, way before all this.I remember him writing in the introduction to my American Gods edition (my favourite book of his) about how he refused once an offer to make Anansi Boys because they wanted to racebend the Afro-British characters - which as he explained, in addition to all,wouldn't make sense narrative-wise. This was shortly after Avatar the movie came out, and I was happy he had such integrity and respect to his own work. When American Gods got turned into a much-awaited series, it started with butchering to the point of parody one of my favourite parts of the book (about Vikings in America, coincidentally).I couldn't believe he had greenlit this. The more it went on, the more it became clear that the work had been changed in ways that contradicted what had drawn me to it in the first place. I didn't even bother with the Sandman, despite Charles Dance being in it. Overexposure, overpromotion and celebrity had obviously worked at the erstwhile integrity, and this....this is just the proof there wasn't much to begin with.
Yeah…I’m not 100% sure about this… why did she keep going back? Surely you bolt first time of asking and go straight to the cops but this just sounds like she was a willing participant and it was completely normal for them to engage in these activities. And then you sign a NDA and get paid off but you decide nope that’s not enough? Weird. I think the worrying aspect is the role of the wife who seems to know what’s going on and is basically looking for new victims for her husband.
It's actually not that uncommon. It can be due to being gaslit into believing it wasn't as serious as it was, financial insecurity and many other reasons.
@@canislupusfoolnah she lived in NZ plenty of jobs, plenty of welfare. She wasn't a starving desperate refugee who needed to prostitute herself. That said the whole thing sounds shady and tawdry.
@@canislupusfool It's unbelievable to me. What do you mean it is not uncommon? The things that she described were not things that can plausibly be gaslit or spinned. They were severe. That's literally analogous to when a gunman comes into a bank, instead of going to cover behind something, you stay standing and let them shoot you for no reason, and then come back for seconds. He literally got naked in front of her and proceeded to finger her with no warning. Belief is not applicable at that point. You can SEE it happening, and FEEL it for God sakes. She was a nanny. There are other people one can be a nanny for. The whole financial security reason is BS. What, was he the only house with children in the whole Godforsaken country?
Interestingly, the same brand of butter that appears in Eyes Wide Shut when Alice (Nicole Kidman) is having breakfast with her daughter - the daughter that eventually gets taken by the cult at the end of the film.
I have no idea what this is. Clearly he's a loser creep that needs to feel dominant because he's such a beta in public. But also, clearly she's not as much of a victim as she claims. She was in some kind of relationship with him for this to have gone on as long as it did. You don't go back for seconds and thirds if you're not into it.
He is likely a creep, but I don't find the Pavlovich story believable. Why would anyone stay a second longer when a man allegedly exposed himself without her consent? Let alone getting into the same bathtub with her, let alone rubbing himself against her but she did not say he was physically overpowering her in that moment so she literally could have left the bathtub, and then STAY ON for months afterwards in intimate situations with the man? Shame, the Sandman graphic novels were stories and characters that are important to me. They were a seminal comic book experience when I was growing up. They have as much impact on me as Lord of the Rings did. This will most certainly throw a wrench into Season 2 of Sandman, and, leaves a disgusted feeling when I think of Sandman now. Well, at least the artwork had nothing to do with Gaiman. Comics were drawn by other people.
About the average sugar baby paycheck, iirc she made about $9k over the course of several months. And ofc, rent and bills were covered so that could be considered additional compensation.
Yeah, I just can't picture the situation. Normally you'd hire a babysitter when you leave the house, not when you're hanging around it. And who tells their babysitter they should have a bath while they're on the job? And who accepts that invitation? I know this is probably not what went down, but the writer of the article needs to provide a hell of a lot more context.
@@chromesthesia Which further makes her story even less believable. Why on Earth would anyone stay on a job that barely pays and comes with body violations?
Yet another creep thats friends with Felicia Day aka the geek queen. Joss Whedon (massive creep) vehemently supported her writing a glowing piece for her book Patton Oswalt starred next to her on MST3K and stayed put through the many allegations And Neil Gamon cameo'd in The Guild at request of Felicia and worked with her on Third Eye. And Geek & Sundry back in the day had some questionable people employed by Felicia Day too. These people all stick together. Once you follow the trail you find more & more devils hiding in plain sight.
I've only read American Gods and found it to be a really good book, can't speak about the rest, but I'll take your word on this and he does seem overrated at this point.
After Sandman I read Neverwere…it was the same thing. When I read the synopsis for New Gods…same thing. The guy’s magic is his way with words but he always regurgitates Sandman.
@@travisjohnson622 Not even the first time, try the first nanosecond he started to get naked. I wouldn't have allowed things to have gotten to a first time to begin with. The thing is, she did not describe him forcing himself on her, I get it if a man is holding you down physically and you are pinned. This.....wasn't the case. This is why I don't find that story believable. Weird kinky shite probably happened, but I'm not persuaded on the factuality of the allegations. It seems incredible.
Either an assault happened or these women are ashamed they actually allowed themselves to do this and figured they could do this as revenge even though they have no one else to blame but themselves. Both are equally possible.
@@chrishilton3626well then she's paid off and should shut her mouth. You take the cash and you take what goes with it. That's the rules. Don't be complaining just because you can't get more cash off of him. Nothing but a prostitute
First, I a lot respect for covering the gruesome article with the seriousness it deserves (and staying within YT guidelines) Second, someone doesn’t keep paying huge sums of money and forcing NDA’s again and again if they’ve done nothing wrong Third we don’t know the actual situations they were in when they ‘agreed’ to the NDA. A lot of them were pretty young, and given his alleged disregard of safety and consent, signing something and agreeing to cash may have been the only perceived way to get away from him safely in the moment. I’d imagine calm, rational thinking is pretty tricky in those instances. Lastly, if the allegations are true, I really don’t have sympathy for him if they took the money and threw him under the bus. I’m sure this is where people might disagree with me, but people who can do this to other people deserve the worst.
".. this continued for the remainder of the time that she babysat for the family..." Sorry, but for me, I am hesitant to believe this story. Had the story went more on the lines of, "When I left after the first time I met him, I went straight to the police ..." then there would be more credibility.
What would have happened if she didn’t lick her own shit? Like if she chose to not do that and draw the line there? Was he threatening violence or extorting her ?
Lol what if the S.A allegations are true, except Gaiman never said for her to lick her own S***, but secretly thats what shes actually into, and wants to kill some other outside this particular situation rumour? Ppl do made things for money and control
I feel like 22 is a very vunerable age. I'd watch the House of Hammer and this to find parallels of how blurred the line of consent is when a "celebrity" bamboozles you with "access" to them. Yeah the fan/celeb dynamic is dangerous
It seems a lot of these women were going along with it hoping to achieve girlfriend status, and when that didn/t happen it becomes SA. I mean once is SA, but when you continue it over time with consent, it becomes suss.
Coercing non BDSMers in to extreme BDSM is abusive. He knew he was pushing them past what they were comfortable with (e.g. eating their own scat). You can s*xually assault someone you are in a relationship with. Things are not as black and white as you think they are.
On one hand this smells of a "#they/them also" hit piece but on the other "proud male feminist" makes it believable...I suppose both can be true at the same time
If they willingly took part, its not assault. Thats that. Sure, he may be a degenerate, but they CHOSE to engage--by their own admission. "We didnt discuss consent" is complete BS. Getting paid, signing an NDA and deciding to later claim assault is ridiculous as well. One woman even HAGGLED for more money! I think Gaiman is a creep, but this is entirely their own fault. I hope he's completely exonerated--MINUS the ones where he ACTUALLY assaulted them.
Yeah it does sound a little bit sus, like you said, with all the NDAs signed, payouts received, and how they kept working for him. "Lick your own sh-t or I won't let you babysit my kid any more." It's not much of an ultimatum... is it? Just leave... quickly... and don't go back again and again. And these are women in their 20s, by the way. They're adults who know that sh-t is not okay. (Pun intended)
He's a POS but why did she keep going back. I'm not blaming her but why would u keep coming back. In his demented mind, he probably thought it was cool. How do you refer to him as master, eat your own shit and still come back only to have sex in front of his son. Again... he's trash but I don't feel sorry for women who kept going back. I actually feel worse for his son. Who knows how this will effect him.
I think Neil is a scumbag but for the sake of argument, let's say that everything that was in the clawfoot tub story is 100% true. She said this is the first time she was around him on the property. If all of that stuff happened, why would you ever keep coming back again and again if you weren't a willing participant? Sounds fishy.
she expains that. also it's very common for people who grew up in abuse to keep putting up with it, hence why predators go for these kind of people to begin with
@robnhood1416 if that hypothetical were the case, I imagine she would have said that in her lawsuit. She already released her name and the story, surely she would have brought up blackmail as well.
It can take an absurdly long time to realise what is going on; people can go on under the impression that it’s how the world works and that they’re naive idiots for being shocked or uncomfortable.
I don't like woke people like Gaimon, but the first reaction I had while listening to Mr H read the article was "Why on earth would she go back and babysit for them again after being assaulted? Why was her immediate reaction not 'why would I take a bath at your house if this is the first time we met' or 'why would I bathe in a back yard bathtub?' or at least 'what are you doing trying to get in the bath with me?!''
Oh yeah. Just these girls that are again playing the victims. Like they don't have two legs and two feet to just get up and walk away even if they made the first initial bad decision to get in the tub naked? And then keep going back I know. Just a bunch of skanks that are looking for a quick Buck. Not saying that he's right but, we have to stop making these women look like they are such victims. Like when someone asked to come on your face, and you say no and then they do it anyways? What the fuck is that?
And the following week, after being offered by Palmer to continue babysitting their child, she texts this to Gaiman: “I am consumed by thoughts of you, the things you will do to me. I’m so hungry. What a terrible creature you’ve turned me into.” This shit is 100% consensual.
Better the devil you know. Security, money, warmth, food at the cost of being potentially raped vs. A life of the streets with none of that and also the possibility of rape. Humans are complex
The thing is first time it happened, ok caught her by surprise, but she kept working with him, she kept engaging in this conduct. First time sure, but after than is their freaking fault. they aren't victims. What ever happens between consenting adults is their business
It might surprise you but there are a lot of vile men like this walking around and women aren’t believed. NDA or not, women don’t come forward for many reasons but mostly because they aren’t believed or the abuser gets a slap on the wrist. It’s too normal. But since she had to eat her shit, and he writes things that people like, this is news and he might pay a price.
It's all fake. All consented, this guy never had to force anyone because all these 304s loved it. You'd be surprised at how many of them like being treated like...
@@seannyandme304s? BTW, I also think the accusations are not very credible. However, it's interesting to see the "believe all women" crowd clash with their own beliefs. Who knows, maybe they'll start to employ a more moderate approach to the matter.
I suspect that when people get extremely rich, they can get bored. Some of these bored people start doing greatly disgusting things. This is not the first extremely rich person accused of such shenanigans.
Of course only a handful of people know the truth, but it seems weird to me to show up ostensibly for a babysitting job only to be offered a bath (and all the other alleged activities) and then, apparently, to return multiple times.
How did we get from step A to Z in a couple seconds. Pavolovich (i believe was the name) went from Gaiman asking her to get in the tub and shortly moves to baby batter on her face? Where is step B where she says no, I will not get in your tub? When does she leave before this event ever happens? Not even on Gaiman's side in this, but why does all culpability from Women seems to vanish?
Jon Del Arroz has been reporting this Gaiman story for a year now and been the recipient of numerous cancellations accordingly. Guess now it’s ok to report.
Had to lick my own....? These are very weird accusations to claim you were somehow forced to do. What was he going to do if you didn't do this? Like the bath tub situation, when you say no and it doesn't stop you leave. How does it keep going? This type of thing needs to go to court and not become shock fodder for the papers.
And then he did this, and then he did that. What i don't hear is I went to hospital and got checked out then called the cops , I kicked him in his sack, I quit and got the hell out of there. No one knows what happened or didn't happen except the two people involved. I feel like these allegations are a little thin though.
Who would've guessed that Neil Gaiman and Vince McMahon had so much in common? I'm envisioning a "dogs playing poker" thing with those two, Diddy, and... man, so many people but not enough seats.
Why did any of these women take money from him if he forced himself on them?! The very first thing they should of done is go straight to the nearest cop station the moment they got away from the creeper, not continue to work as nannies and take cash bribes from him to buy their silence.
they were all in dire financial situations and came from troubled backgrounds prior; his wife amands chose them for that reason. thats why none of his well adjusted female acquantainces went through this. do you think he's stupid?
Cops don't always believe people or help people. Especially if the person is rich. Someone like this preys on vulnerable people. Not willing participants!
Oh no, how terrible, how awful. Oh no. [insert best Dankula impression] Given his proclivity for being a pretentious twat and how the same annoying crowd loves to prop him up, I’m laughing at this. I hope their is some investigation into this accusation is that is still possible.
She could have left the job that if she felt threatened. Maybe dont take a bath in the garden of someone you don't know. Instead, take the money and run to reporters.
1: Why did they stay after the first SA? 2: If it wasn't consensual, why didn't they immediately go to the police? 3: Why bring it up now, years later? 4: Why were they stupid enough to sign an NDA? Ladies & Guys, if a person SAs you, DON'T STAY. Go to the hospital & the police!!
Because Satan always collects even from those that men call Master. Game over UNLESS Gaiman does what the god of this world demands. The price for fame and riches.
9:26 I keep saying it... NDA does not cover criminal activity. SA is a crime last I checked. So it doesn't matter what they signed.
Most likely it isnt SA, just regret after the relationship ended? That's how it comes across anyway
@nickbrough8335 and Neil gsimdn Nmudt havaslo relly 2oke lawyer wlingbt cover his creepy ass invention g3sts sued and I did anyonkn th gsimans ex wife aarmpy had inproit rektiondhipmwith underage girl too I rely wonderwht his otherex wife abdckids hsvevth say sbit hisczhistry berth opinupnwhnolter cznnof sand worms yh impncstn twht th codcmrnf guys reputionnis mor e apaclytpic th wth apocalypse write abutbingoodcomens
This sounds nothing like SA. You don’t get in a bath with a dude the first time you meet him and just let stuff like this happen. Sounds ridiculous. Guy sounds majorly weird, but almost none of this reads like it’s actually SA.
How is it SA when they all consented?
When you just find yourself at Neil's house
When you just find yourself in his hot tub
When you just find yourself in there for the remainder of the time you work for the family
When you get it up the ** with butter and asked to call homedude "master"
When you're asked to lick up your own ** (I mean you were asked, not forced)
When all the accusers "play along".
When the victims do it in front of Neil's kid without saying "HELL NO" and leaving.
When you don't say NO after you find out he won't marry you and make you his special woman...
...Then you are a s*x slave, unable to get away, according to the facts.
Are you all starting to see a pattern? Same with Vince McMahon's "victim". Homegirl was 40 years old when she was supposedly victimized.
Tis true! Way to go Perry Mason! 😉
Milo correctly stated years ago that when a male celebrity comes out as a feminist, you cant star the clock on the grape accusations.
Tbh that statement holds true just for being a male celebrity. Now whether or not it's true is a different story.
@@rutgerhauser2377fact. Same as those who really speak out against something so loudly. How many gay pastors and right wing politicians are there being outed? Matt Gaetz was a know pdf but no one batted an eye. All of this virtue signaling just because the person doesnt agree with your politics is sick.
Milo is a gay Jew. Of course he can spot other members of his tribe being disgusting.
@majinbobbyhill828 i dislike Matt Gaez and find him annoying af but he was investigated by the FBI for years and no evidence of him being a pedophile was found. Democrats have a habit of using false allegations to attack Republicans which doesn't help. Pedophilia is a very serious accusation, I don't like to throw that around without proof because it damages ACTUAL victims of Pedophilia like myself.
@@majinbobbyhill828 no evidence was found of Matt Gaez being a pedophile by the FB in an investigation, Democrats like to throw around accusations like that for political gains.
Believe all women, except those ones! - Neil Gaiman 2024 into 2025
Never believe all women full stop. So many lie and make up crap.
Isn't that the way it always goes?
@@rone.7735 Yup. Like honestly it's so weird there's like an 80% when you see a celebrity who champions something like this that they're actually up to no good. It's keeps happening. Probably one of the best things about the internet now is it exposes how genuinely weird so many famous people are. Imagine what's going on we don't know about 🤮
'Male feminists' sure seem to end up with such accusations on a pretty regular basis......🤔
I think it has more to do with him being Jewish, personally.
If any of those accusations are even true.
male feminists like trump right, matt gatze, and
Josh Duggar?
Like ambush predators blending into their environment.
Now granted, considering false accusations seem to be more numerous that the stars in the sky these days, I'll wait to see if there's any evidence behind these. However it is amusing his own "Believe all women" shctick is back to bite him in the ass.
"A Male Feminist is just a rapist with a strategy"
The fact that he was paying these women money to keep quiet just shows that there was something to hide that he didn't want the world to know.
They were willing to take the money instead of going to the authorities. The acts are abnormal and not something someone in limelight would want reported even if they were consensual. I guess my point is, was it criminal, he’s done, why did the women wait so long, and the whole thing is a mess.
@@SoItGoes1985 I agree
This is why celebrities as a whole should never be put on pedestals. Nor give way to idolatry. My, my...their decadence is dying with thunderous silence.
Let the downfalls begin! >:D
Amen. Celebrities, politicians, people in general. Never make them out to be better than what they are at the end of the day: people! And people are flawed individuals who will make mistakes or do terrible things while trying to place innocent/superior/morally clean.
Never become a writer
No-one should be above the law. Not even the rich or ex-Presidents.
Hi I'm Jesus
This video is almost certainly destined for demonitization.
Demonetized so hard, he'll owe them money back.
The analytical sign of sadness.
Poopie caca
Unfortunately, UA-cam demonetized Nate's channel years ago. He mentions that at the beginning of every live stream.
So his channel is demonitized but this video has mid-roll ads…..can someone explain this lol
Amanda Palmer is a celeb who brought the young impressionable girl (who openly admitted to having a crush on Palmer) into their house. Why no discussion about abuse of power and grooming re: Palmer?
Lots of people are criticizing her too.
More and more outlets are mentioning her name. Apparantly she knew, and kept sending girls anyway. Basically feeding him.
Not to mention that according to one of the victims, Gaimon saying too bad it isn't like the good old days where we could both have you... predator couple
@@flavoredwallpaper Yet the full article and podcast series(!) are entirely focussed on him. Sounds more like a double-act.
Is she a scientologist too?
I couldn't care less about Neil Gaiman's sex life. Apparently, he's into BDSM, it's the old question of consent. What shocks me here is his hypocrisy: Gaiman was a huge wokist, male feminist and advocate of believe all women, enjoy your karma now.
It's all about covering their own tracks.
@@taipaleenmakips yeah it usually is.
The wokeists and self declared feminists are always the worst kind of people.
the louder they shout their support, the more they have to cover up.
It’s always the male “feminist” that women should be most worried about.
Though on a smaller scale, almost everyone I've met/known who acts overly woke and virtue signally is actually quite toxic once you get to know them. It's a cover up to over compensate.
Exactly!!!
Interesting observation
the Fifty Shades of Grey remake is now Fifty Turds of Gaiman
Boy, that sure doesn't read aloud like it does in print. 🤣
That’s a lot of turds!
@@jakerobert3118yehbwnt thbfuck was wrong withiscguy ating to se if this guy get sued
LMFAOROTFSML 🤣
urgh…a book he would love to produce😂
I remember there show came out he was all about being woke and hating toxicity blah blah blah, makes sense now 😂
The threat to the world on the Sandman show was that people had their dreams stolen, I was thinking the real threat to the world was nobody in it was straight and nobody would make babies.
@ Neil gaiman more like Neil gayman
@@flexingmechaand doesn't h hav lik massive tds too
Their*
That’s how the weak sockless yuppie is. That’s how almost all of them are be honest.
Neil Gaiman author of the Scat Man.
He probably sings
I'm a Scat Man !!!
Ba-da-ba-da-ba-be bop bop bodda bope
Bop ba bodda bope !!! 😂
lol
@@Garrie2909yeh hsv you eenth sandman innetflix at all i hsve not
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I’M THE SCAT MAAAANN!!! 🎶😂
I'd wager he regrets saying "Believe all women".
Odd take to have
😂 😂 😂
We'll just have to practice what he preached and believe these women. Guess it has to stung for ol' Neil now.
Lol😅
Believe all women Neil
😂 Yep cause they never lie to take a bro down. 😂
That didn't age well
@@thelestrangelair OP is saying that because Geiman himself is a ‘Believe all women’ chanter. It’s coming back to bite him on the arse is the point.
Poor Mr H. He looked so done reading the licking one.
If true then it's yet another proof people who suddenly go woke ususlly do so to distract from their shitty past.
Poor choice of words.
@@richardfox4803yeh anyonere thinking neil 2il getvsued or wil judt get off scitt fee
OOh never thought of that aspect, Genius!I didn't know he went recently.
Neil the Amazing Scat-Man, newest addition to the MCU.
I'm not defending him in any way, shape of form. If he's a scumbag, he's a scumbag (personally, I couldn't stomach him prior to any of this). But what I don't get is why the accusers would comply and keep complying, and only now retroactively decide it was an issue. Like the first one, the babysitter. I'm sorry, but she wasn't a naive child that was groomed, didn't know any better, and had no way of escaping. Rather, she was a grown woman, who knew what she was doing, and who opted to stay in the situation, probably due to monetary benefits. If someone hires me as a babysitter and offers me a bath: yeah, I'm out of there momentarily, and I'm not coming back. I'm not sitting in their lap, and I'm not getting back for more baths and fingers and such up my ass.
Cause they were really wanting money from the beginning and going along with it to get more money.. dudes is a scumbag but I feel not sympathy towards those women they knew what they were getting into
If the woman "knew what she was doing," then wouldn't Gaiman (a much older, more experienced guy) also know what he was doing? I could totally see myself, in my impressionable early 20's, being coerced into something I didn't actually want to do because of fear or wanting to be liked. Unfortunately, sexual assault is often muddier and less straightforward than most people think. Most people want a black-and-white, easy to understand situation (i.e. woman getting attacked while on a jog). But the reality is that assault more often occurs within a relationship -- it can even happen within a marriage. It wasn't so long ago that there was no law against marital rape. It was simply assumed that being married constituted continual consent to sex. And for the record, adults absolutely can, and have, been groomed. Think of it as a kind of brain washing.
Requiring a black-and-white situation before we're willing to call something "assault" is ignores a large portion of the systematic manipulation that can occur within romantic and sexual relationships. Factor into it that someone like Neil Gaiman has way more power, money, and influence than the young, practically homeless girl his family employed, and it becomes even more problematic.
Even interpreted in the most flattering light, Gaiman had sex with a girl 40 years younger than him within hours of her being employed to be his babysitter. Even without the assault angle, I'd already consider this exceptionally unprofessional and a red flag.
I should also point out that, if you've read other articles, Gaiman repeatedly ignored her when she asked him not to do something.
@@jennifernicole954 Sure, but most of what you're asserting are separate points entirely. If you get there for babysitting, and get a finger up your ass your very first day, AND you keep coming for it, instead of pressing charges or at least cutting contact, provided that you were legally able to consent in the first place & remove yourself from the situation (and she was a legal adult, arguably with no substances forcibly involved to the point of severely impaired judgement, and she was presumably free to go and not keep returning), yeah, sorry, but then it's on you as well, to a degree that's for sure more than 0. I never said adults can't be groomed, or that he wasn't in a position of disproportionate power & responsibility - I simply stated, and to clarify, that she, at that moment, wasn't a child that was been groomed, which would be a different category, for obvious reasons. She had a degree of agency in the situation, and she made a serious of judgements that she later regretted. I don't even dispute the 'moral sleaziness' of it all. Beyond that, I'm not at all interested in going deeper into this rabbit hole of guessing, projecting, or defending someone's mental states, motives, or poor judgements, or past tragic history. There are courts for a reason, assuming that this even qualifies.
she was a girl who was raped by family members, ran away at 14, and had no other friends. that's why.
Feminist card revoked😂
They played the reverse uno card on him.
Is he in the UK government
lol, would fit right in!
😂😂😂
LMFAOROTFSML 🤣
What ....🤣🤣🤣
Worse , Scientologist
Vince McMahon has entered the chat.
🤣🤣🤣
Vince McMahon has entered the scat.
@@pir8prodI don’t think gaiman likes bbc as much as McMahon…. And I ain’t talk bout tv
The funny thing with Vince is that he's basically just the wrestling character he portrays.
Well, he supports Believe all women so it must be true.
I was in the goth scene in the early 90s and remember the girls that were obsessed with Gaiman. Some of the shit they said they wanted to do to him was frankly beyond anything a reasonable person would think. The girls that thirst after this monster are also monsters that are into this shit. The fact that they would go to him then keep going back through the humiliation tells you who they are. I am not condoning his activities, I have always known he was sick, but these women are sick too.
I think it extends to most kinds of young “fangirls” - they create their weird fantasies and actively seek them out until they become true…
Most of the women mentioned in the article were not fans. One of them was seriously psychologically and financially vulnerable. Another was dependant on the real estate Gaiman owned. They were not seeking out kink with no real consent rules.
Todd McFarlane is laughing his ass off right now.
Will be interesting if the Toddfather has anything to say about this.
@@bjscorpio4041 After Gaiman sold Angela to those Marvel hacks, probably plenty.
... because she REALLY needed this babysitting job...
Why did she continue 'babysitting'?
No money, no education, no self esteem.
Like that famous W.C. Fields, i.e. "What kind of woman do you think I am?" / "We've already established that, now we're just haggling over the price."
Why did she kept coming back after the first bath incident?😐
That's my first reaction,however, what if Neil has something which he can use against her in case she rebel against him? (like Diddy style video tapes)
@@robnhood1416 A magical curse?
i once got into a youtube spat with neil gaiman...its was concerning the casting of a 'diverse' actress in the role of Pepper in the tv version of Good Omens series 1...
Pepper in the Good Omens novel is pale skinned, red haired girl and so, in typical fashion, was portrayed by a 'diverse' actress who was neither pale skinned or red haired...
the reason for my instigating comment was that by changing the look of the actress it changed the dynamic between 'them' and the four horsemen of the apocalypse...the character of Pepper was meant to be a mirror to the female, pale skinned, red haired character of War...
gaiman said that the actress was the best person for the role...i did some light internet research and found the the 'close 2nd choice' for the role was a young, pale skinned, red haired girl...
So he’s a full blown hypocrite, typical of w0ke allies also.
That's what he froze me towards him for good, way before all this.I remember him writing in the introduction to my American Gods edition (my favourite book of his) about how he refused once an offer to make Anansi Boys because they wanted to racebend the Afro-British characters - which as he explained, in addition to all,wouldn't make sense narrative-wise. This was shortly after Avatar the movie came out, and I was happy he had such integrity and respect to his own work. When American Gods got turned into a much-awaited series, it started with butchering to the point of parody one of my favourite parts of the book (about Vikings in America, coincidentally).I couldn't believe he had greenlit this. The more it went on, the more it became clear that the work had been changed in ways that contradicted what had drawn me to it in the first place. I didn't even bother with the Sandman, despite Charles Dance being in it. Overexposure, overpromotion and celebrity had obviously worked at the erstwhile integrity, and this....this is just the proof there wasn't much to begin with.
konstantza: ...Sandman...yeah, you were wise to avoid that one... 😩
@@lothos-tu4uh So I gather.Pity ..
Yeah…I’m not 100% sure about this… why did she keep going back? Surely you bolt first time of asking and go straight to the cops but this just sounds like she was a willing participant and it was completely normal for them to engage in these activities.
And then you sign a NDA and get paid off but you decide nope that’s not enough?
Weird.
I think the worrying aspect is the role of the wife who seems to know what’s going on and is basically looking for new victims for her husband.
It’s pretty weird this chick would decide to keep working for someone who tried to sexually assault her on the first day of meeting her
Yeah that's the odd part. "He tried to violate me in multiple ways on the first day and I refused. Anyhow, the following week..."
It's actually not that uncommon. It can be due to being gaslit into believing it wasn't as serious as it was, financial insecurity and many other reasons.
@@canislupusfoolnah she lived in NZ plenty of jobs, plenty of welfare. She wasn't a starving desperate refugee who needed to prostitute herself. That said the whole thing sounds shady and tawdry.
Read the article. If not she would have been homeless.
@@canislupusfool It's unbelievable to me. What do you mean it is not uncommon? The things that she described were not things that can plausibly be gaslit or spinned. They were severe. That's literally analogous to when a gunman comes into a bank, instead of going to cover behind something, you stay standing and let them shoot you for no reason, and then come back for seconds. He literally got naked in front of her and proceeded to finger her with no warning. Belief is not applicable at that point. You can SEE it happening, and FEEL it for God sakes. She was a nanny. There are other people one can be a nanny for. The whole financial security reason is BS. What, was he the only house with children in the whole Godforsaken country?
I cant believe it's not butter
Interestingly, the same brand of butter that appears in Eyes Wide Shut when Alice (Nicole Kidman) is having breakfast with her daughter - the daughter that eventually gets taken by the cult at the end of the film.
@@donragnar8430that's one detail I hadn't noticed!
😂
“Will you help babysit”?
Yes
“Do you want a bath”?
No
Then just leave
yeah, she was like yes but no, yes not..no yes...ok no.. but yes and no..
Indeed, fishy as fuck
Exactly.
I know after someone tries to anally assault me I go back to them later that week 😂
@ you gotta to make SURE they are assaulting you, like the 10th time..
I have no idea what this is. Clearly he's a loser creep that needs to feel dominant because he's such a beta in public. But also, clearly she's not as much of a victim as she claims. She was in some kind of relationship with him for this to have gone on as long as it did. You don't go back for seconds and thirds if you're not into it.
Read the article
He is likely a creep, but I don't find the Pavlovich story believable. Why would anyone stay a second longer when a man allegedly exposed himself without her consent? Let alone getting into the same bathtub with her, let alone rubbing himself against her but she did not say he was physically overpowering her in that moment so she literally could have left the bathtub, and then STAY ON for months afterwards in intimate situations with the man? Shame, the Sandman graphic novels were stories and characters that are important to me. They were a seminal comic book experience when I was growing up. They have as much impact on me as Lord of the Rings did. This will most certainly throw a wrench into Season 2 of Sandman, and, leaves a disgusted feeling when I think of Sandman now. Well, at least the artwork had nothing to do with Gaiman. Comics were drawn by other people.
@@Ψυχήμίασμα From carefully planned out panel descriptions by Gaiman himself.
Nice victim blaming
@ He's been found guilty of something has he? Women have never been known to lie, like ever.
That must have been a hell of a well-payed "babysitting" job that she repeatedly came back to it.
About the average sugar baby paycheck, iirc she made about $9k over the course of several months. And ofc, rent and bills were covered so that could be considered additional compensation.
Yeah, I just can't picture the situation. Normally you'd hire a babysitter when you leave the house, not when you're hanging around it. And who tells their babysitter they should have a bath while they're on the job? And who accepts that invitation? I know this is probably not what went down, but the writer of the article needs to provide a hell of a lot more context.
Actually they barely paid her at first. Read the damn article
Read the article you will learn she was young, broke, estranged from her family and trusted amanda palmer
@@chromesthesia Which further makes her story even less believable. Why on Earth would anyone stay on a job that barely pays and comes with body violations?
Yet another creep thats friends with Felicia Day aka the geek queen.
Joss Whedon (massive creep) vehemently supported her writing a glowing piece for her book
Patton Oswalt starred next to her on MST3K and stayed put through the many allegations
And Neil Gamon cameo'd in The Guild at request of Felicia and worked with her on Third Eye.
And Geek & Sundry back in the day had some questionable people employed by Felicia Day too.
These people all stick together. Once you follow the trail you find more & more devils hiding in plain sight.
Joss Whedon, He was mean to his staff. Not SA. Actors crying over words said is different. Poor Joss, and the cry baby actors.
So what is Felicia Day supposed to be covering for these men? Or are we saying she's being abused for power?
@@danburke6568yes yes all
Of Holyweird is innocent.
I HATE that Patton Oswalt and Felicia Day took over MST3K. It's worse than melted sH8t
Gaiman said God is a woman and Demons could be good. Bull. Evil is evil. End of.
im just gonna say this: Neil Gaiman is VERY overrated. and i say that as somebody who enjoyed American Gods and love Sandman
Agreed , so many of his books are meh? Did like reading sandman and American gods
It's not a coincidence he's had massive hype and success. Taste makers elevate abusers , often a prerequisite for getting anywhere
American gods was tight.
I've only read American Gods and found it to be a really good book, can't speak about the rest, but I'll take your word on this and he does seem overrated at this point.
After Sandman I read Neverwere…it was the same thing. When I read the synopsis for New Gods…same thing. The guy’s magic is his way with words but he always regurgitates Sandman.
So why did they keep coming back?
Women need to be accountable for that sort of rubbish behavier for sure.
Ikr "and it proceeded to keep happening everytime she came over to babysit."
Wasnt the first time enuff ya big dummy?
@@travisjohnson622 Not even the first time, try the first nanosecond he started to get naked. I wouldn't have allowed things to have gotten to a first time to begin with. The thing is, she did not describe him forcing himself on her, I get it if a man is holding you down physically and you are pinned. This.....wasn't the case. This is why I don't find that story believable. Weird kinky shite probably happened, but I'm not persuaded on the factuality of the allegations. It seems incredible.
I know a close connection and this absolutely wouldn't surprise me based on what I've heard about him.
Spill it.
he's nasty but they participated willingly over and over and over and over again. both sides can shut it.
Either an assault happened or these women are ashamed they actually allowed themselves to do this and figured they could do this as revenge even though they have no one else to blame but themselves.
Both are equally possible.
When someone doesn't want sex they say "no thanks" and they don't return. Why did she return again and again
Money perhaps he’s rich and they have bills
@@chrishilton3626well then she's paid off and should shut her mouth. You take the cash and you take what goes with it. That's the rules. Don't be complaining just because you can't get more cash off of him. Nothing but a prostitute
Babysitting does not pay that great for normies. Celebs have a lot of skeletons in their closets too so blackmail comes easier.
Money.
She was a poor person with bad self-esteem. Being employed by a big celebrity in that situation is disarming.
First, I a lot respect for covering the gruesome article with the seriousness it deserves (and staying within YT guidelines)
Second, someone doesn’t keep paying huge sums of money and forcing NDA’s again and again if they’ve done nothing wrong
Third we don’t know the actual situations they were in when they ‘agreed’ to the NDA. A lot of them were pretty young, and given his alleged disregard of safety and consent, signing something and agreeing to cash may have been the only perceived way to get away from him safely in the moment. I’d imagine calm, rational thinking is pretty tricky in those instances.
Lastly, if the allegations are true, I really don’t have sympathy for him if they took the money and threw him under the bus. I’m sure this is where people might disagree with me, but people who can do this to other people deserve the worst.
".. this continued for the remainder of the time that she babysat for the family..." Sorry, but for me, I am hesitant to believe this story. Had the story went more on the lines of, "When I left after the first time I met him, I went straight to the police ..." then there would be more credibility.
Nah, Gaiman is a "believe all women" type, so I say we play by his rules.
This songs like they regret the choices they made, not sexual assault.
Didn't regret anything years ago... lol
Nah, Gaiman is a "believe all women" type, so I say we play by his rules.
What would have happened if she didn’t lick her own shit? Like if she chose to not do that and draw the line there? Was he threatening violence or extorting her ?
Lol what if the S.A allegations are true, except Gaiman never said for her to lick her own S***, but secretly thats what shes actually into, and wants to kill some other outside this particular situation rumour?
Ppl do made things for money and control
I feel like 22 is a very vunerable age. I'd watch the House of Hammer and this to find parallels of how blurred the line of consent is when a "celebrity" bamboozles you with "access" to them. Yeah the fan/celeb dynamic is dangerous
He was 3 times her age and about 10,000,000 times richer.
It seems a lot of these women were going along with it hoping to achieve girlfriend status, and when that didn/t happen it becomes SA. I mean once is SA, but when you continue it over time with consent, it becomes suss.
Coercing non BDSMers in to extreme BDSM is abusive. He knew he was pushing them past what they were comfortable with (e.g. eating their own scat). You can s*xually assault someone you are in a relationship with. Things are not as black and white as you think they are.
Wth would someone take a bath at someones house like that? Something sounds weird.
My thought would be a sit in nanny or someone being hired and brought in from a distance and needing to watch a child several days.
and why did she keep coming back? the math isn’t mathing.
@@kristianjerman420 idk man, people’s headspace’s are always weird in these situations and there could’ve been other variables that we don’t know yet
Him and his ex wife were in an open marriage, this was widely known and the nanny may have been part of that.
@@kristianjerman420 they were probably having an affair he was in an open relationship.
On one hand this smells of a "#they/them also" hit piece but on the other "proud male feminist" makes it believable...I suppose both can be true at the same time
That first grape story sounds fake af who would sit there and let all of these things happen without any resistance
Women do this all the time to varying degrees especially when money/power/fame involved. Just look at their reactions to that Lugi dude same concept.
Probably the type of Women who flick it to 50 shades of Grey
@@BearPawSwipe or Ted Bundy lol. Women are fucked.
Well at least it got season 3 of good omens cancelled, Gaiman should be ashamed of what he did to his friends legacy in season 2
If they willingly took part, its not assault. Thats that. Sure, he may be a degenerate, but they CHOSE to engage--by their own admission. "We didnt discuss consent" is complete BS. Getting paid, signing an NDA and deciding to later claim assault is ridiculous as well. One woman even HAGGLED for more money! I think Gaiman is a creep, but this is entirely their own fault. I hope he's completely exonerated--MINUS the ones where he ACTUALLY assaulted them.
NDA doesn't negate actual crime dude. that's not how it works
304s being 304s. Never gets old.
Nah, Gaiman is a "believe all women" type, so I say we play by his rules.
read the vulture article. this one makes it seem far more consensual than it was.
Maybe they agreed to sex acts but not poop stuff.
I hope the butter was produced to organic standards.
That's all I care about here.
Probably a Kerrygold guy.
You're gross.
😂
And that it's Non GMO! Let's respect the environment, people.
The whole story sounds like a money grab. Each one of the supposed victims came back for more
Yeah it does sound a little bit sus, like you said, with all the NDAs signed, payouts received, and how they kept working for him.
"Lick your own sh-t or I won't let you babysit my kid any more."
It's not much of an ultimatum... is it? Just leave... quickly... and don't go back again and again. And these are women in their 20s, by the way. They're adults who know that sh-t is not okay. (Pun intended)
He's a POS but why did she keep going back. I'm not blaming her but why would u keep coming back. In his demented mind, he probably thought it was cool. How do you refer to him as master, eat your own shit and still come back only to have sex in front of his son.
Again... he's trash but I don't feel sorry for women who kept going back. I actually feel worse for his son. Who knows how this will effect him.
I think Neil is a scumbag but for the sake of argument, let's say that everything that was in the clawfoot tub story is 100% true. She said this is the first time she was around him on the property. If all of that stuff happened, why would you ever keep coming back again and again if you weren't a willing participant? Sounds fishy.
she expains that. also it's very common for people who grew up in abuse to keep putting up with it, hence why predators go for these kind of people to begin with
@@solarydays
Yeah, unfortunately, it’s a horrible thing.
That's my first reaction, but what if Neil has something which he can use against her in case she rebel against him? (like Diddy style video tapes)
@robnhood1416 if that hypothetical were the case, I imagine she would have said that in her lawsuit. She already released her name and the story, surely she would have brought up blackmail as well.
It can take an absurdly long time to realise what is going on; people can go on under the impression that it’s how the world works and that they’re naive idiots for being shocked or uncomfortable.
Neil Gaiman? Harvey Weinstein? Bryan Singer? Brett Ratner? Joss Whedon? Woody Allen? Roman Polanski? Am I noticing a pattern? 🤔
Forgot Jeffrey Epstein 😂
Remove Woody Allen from the list, he's 100% innocent. Also, Joss Whedon was just mean to his actors, nothing to do with SA.
Except for Whedon, they're all Jews. I don't recall Whedon involved in SA, though, just "misogyny."
Yes, they're rich and successful and abused their power. I know what you're hinting at though... It has nothing to do with them being Jewish.
@ No, it has everything to do with them being Jewish. Pattern recognition exists.
I don't like woke people like Gaimon, but the first reaction I had while listening to Mr H read the article was "Why on earth would she go back and babysit for them again after being assaulted? Why was her immediate reaction not 'why would I take a bath at your house if this is the first time we met' or 'why would I bathe in a back yard bathtub?' or at least 'what are you doing trying to get in the bath with me?!''
Oh yeah. Just these girls that are again playing the victims. Like they don't have two legs and two feet to just get up and walk away even if they made the first initial bad decision to get in the tub naked? And then keep going back I know. Just a bunch of skanks that are looking for a quick Buck. Not saying that he's right but, we have to stop making these women look like they are such victims. Like when someone asked to come on your face, and you say no and then they do it anyways? What the fuck is that?
Looking for a payday.
And the following week, after being offered by Palmer to continue babysitting their child, she texts this to Gaiman: “I am consumed by thoughts of you, the things you will do to me. I’m so hungry. What a terrible creature you’ve turned me into.”
This shit is 100% consensual.
Yep. Exactly.
Better the devil you know. Security, money, warmth, food at the cost of being potentially raped vs. A life of the streets with none of that and also the possibility of rape. Humans are complex
He introduced gender swapping Timelords to Dr Who. I've no time for him.
Okay he deserves this for sure. Seriously. I am not even kidding.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Well Gaiman is done I guess.
The thing is first time it happened, ok caught her by surprise, but she kept working with him, she kept engaging in this conduct. First time sure, but after than is their freaking fault. they aren't victims. What ever happens between consenting adults is their business
Why was she still there after the first incident?
Neil said to believe all women. Challenge accepted! 👍
Its always the most woke and self righteous isn't it. And she could have said no and left.
This is the guy who left his family half a world away after an argument during lockdown.
So was he holding her down? Had her tied up? Threaten to harm or killer? This all sounds pretty consensual.
I’d say if you don’t know the definition of sexual assault you could be a perpetrator.
It might surprise you but there are a lot of vile men like this walking around and women aren’t believed. NDA or not, women don’t come forward for many reasons but mostly because they aren’t believed or the abuser gets a slap on the wrist. It’s too normal. But since she had to eat her shit, and he writes things that people like, this is news and he might pay a price.
Why didn't it come years ago?
It's all fake. All consented, this guy never had to force anyone because all these 304s loved it. You'd be surprised at how many of them like being treated like...
Oh he did. That’s the issue.
@@seannyandme304s? BTW, I also think the accusations are not very credible. However, it's interesting to see the "believe all women" crowd clash with their own beliefs.
Who knows, maybe they'll start to employ a more moderate approach to the matter.
@@DioBrando-qr6ye he is referring to a certain tool used in a garden.
Nate got a Dr Strange beard going. And this vid story sounds...idk...crazy? Feels kind of like a hit piece.
I suspect that when people get extremely rich, they can get bored. Some of these bored people start doing greatly disgusting things. This is not the first extremely rich person accused of such shenanigans.
Of course only a handful of people know the truth, but it seems weird to me to show up ostensibly for a babysitting job only to be offered a bath (and all the other alleged activities) and then, apparently, to return multiple times.
Why she stayed??? And continue the "abuse"?
This sounds like consentual and later regret it.
How did we get from step A to Z in a couple seconds. Pavolovich (i believe was the name) went from Gaiman asking her to get in the tub and shortly moves to baby batter on her face? Where is step B where she says no, I will not get in your tub? When does she leave before this event ever happens? Not even on Gaiman's side in this, but why does all culpability from Women seems to vanish?
Jon Del Arroz has been reporting this Gaiman story for a year now and been the recipient of numerous cancellations accordingly. Guess now it’s ok to report.
So has this channel.
Also, JDA shouldn’t throw stones from a glass house.
Sounds like bullshit to me.
Had to lick my own....? These are very weird accusations to claim you were somehow forced to do. What was he going to do if you didn't do this? Like the bath tub situation, when you say no and it doesn't stop you leave. How does it keep going? This type of thing needs to go to court and not become shock fodder for the papers.
And then he did this, and then he did that. What i don't hear is I went to hospital and got checked out then called the cops , I kicked him in his sack, I quit and got the hell out of there. No one knows what happened or didn't happen except the two people involved. I feel like these allegations are a little thin though.
Surely an NDA is only valid if the information/activity you have agreed to keep secret is legal in nature.
Well if it’s consensual I don’t care. Can’t change your mind after the fact.
Lol. I hope someone makes a comic out of this.
Are you going to do a video on Elon paying bots to play D4/Poe2 then pretending it was him who was playing?
Who would've guessed that Neil Gaiman and Vince McMahon had so much in common? I'm envisioning a "dogs playing poker" thing with those two, Diddy, and... man, so many people but not enough seats.
Why did any of these women take money from him if he forced himself on them?! The very first thing they should of done is go straight to the nearest cop station the moment they got away from the creeper, not continue to work as nannies and take cash bribes from him to buy their silence.
they were all in dire financial situations and came from troubled backgrounds prior; his wife amands chose them for that reason. thats why none of his well adjusted female acquantainces went through this. do you think he's stupid?
But is this rubbish movement encouraging women to be accountable? No. Wow. 😂
Cops don't always believe people or help people. Especially if the person is rich. Someone like this preys on vulnerable people. Not willing participants!
Neil GAYman, Harvey WeinSTEIN, Jeffrey EpSTEIN, Roman Polanski, James Franco, Allen DershoWITZ. What do they all have in common? Who nose 👃?
Why did these women continue the relationship? I'm not sure I believe it...
I can't believe any of this anymore. You sign an NDA for money you lost all credibility
So she continued to babysit there, right? And it wasn't consensual, riiiiiiight...
Then why did she go back, sounds like she still was "babysitting" when all this happening not defending him but she still went back
Oh no, how terrible, how awful. Oh no. [insert best Dankula impression]
Given his proclivity for being a pretentious twat and how the same annoying crowd loves to prop him up, I’m laughing at this. I hope their is some investigation into this accusation is that is still possible.
I have zero sympathy for any woman that went BACK after the first ass assault.
Don't go to the police, THEN go back, yah screw your claims.
Sure Neil is a POS predator, but so is his ex-wife. Let's be real here - they're both guilty. She sends him victims, and she knew what she was doing.
She could have left the job that if she felt threatened. Maybe dont take a bath in the garden of someone you don't know. Instead, take the money and run to reporters.
Isn’t this the guy who trashed Todd McFarlane for being a bad person? Lmao
1: Why did they stay after the first SA?
2: If it wasn't consensual, why didn't they immediately go to the police?
3: Why bring it up now, years later?
4: Why were they stupid enough to sign an NDA?
Ladies & Guys, if a person SAs you, DON'T STAY. Go to the hospital & the police!!
Because Satan always collects even from those that men call Master.
Game over UNLESS Gaiman does what the god of this world demands.
The price for fame and riches.
The business managers and reps are just as bad for covering for him.
The kid is a victim as well.
What an unfortunate last name 😂