We just had a Insink rep in to talk about the changes to the units. We collectively voiced our displeasure and frustration with new changes to the Contractor 333 and Insink Pro750 for the ridiculous additions of putting a wire harness (instead of hardwiring like always). It so frustrating. With these changes and fighting with the units, last one took me nearly 3 hours to install. We’re pissed.
I’ve done a couple. First one took me super long as I read the manual through to make sure I was doing it right but the second one went rather quickly. Once you know the measurements you need to cut the wires to (it says on the manual the exact size) you can fly through an install the same way you would a regular disposal
Code in NJ states that any solid waste needs to discharge into a pipe no smaller than 3" would never install in my house, but it's easy money when these jam and clog
I'm curious about the performance and feature differences between the Advanced Series Pro 1250, and the Pro 1100XL. Besides the Pro 1250 having that extra "wiping" arm at the bottom of the grinder, seems the 1100XL actually has more features. Or am I wrong? The Pro 1100XL has that jam sensor that ups the torque up to 500% if it senses something not grinding, and it auto-reverses to clear jams.
Garbage disposals are plastic or pot metal tops are themselves garbage. The rotating hammer strikes the stationary anvil that is mild steel. It rusts up, swelling and cracking the upper housing creating a leak while guaranteeing a future sale!
I'll be honest, I hate that InSinkerator calls the Pro 1250 a "4-Stage" grinder. It's realistically still the same 3-stage: grind ring, lug plate, and undercutter disk, grind system. They just add a "wiper" element to wipe the sides down underneath the undercutter disk. So the "4th stage" isn't an actual grinder/cutter element. It doesn't actually cut/grind anything down finer than the 3-stage units. Maybe it helps with some odor build up over time, though to be honest, as long as you occasionally clean your disposal (with some baking soda), it's not an issue on the 3-stage units. Don't get me wrong, there are other benefits to the Pro 1250, like the uprated motor, and longer warranty. I just don't like the gimmick of calling it a 4-stage grinder, because it implies better grinding performance than the 3-stage...
I think they called it 4-stage grinding to simplify marketing. The main advantage of the additional wiper is to increase waste water discharge velocity, higher discharge velocity helps waste more easily navigate the P-trap curve and clear initial piping, thus aiding in clog prevention. You can kinda see the additional discharge velocity in the video, it’s even more apparent under higher water volumes.
@@Dirty_Bear22They make zero claims on any improved grinding performance from the 4-th stage, really. It's mainly there to limit the cleaning requirements for your disposal by maybe helping with some odor limiting improvements from the wiper arm. I'm not knocking anyone owning one of these. Just for me personally I'm a function over form guy. Maybe it helps a bit with the odor. As far as I'm concerned it's potentially just an extra failure point. Considering it's a rubber element that spins. Though if the previous model range was not available these would probably still be the units I'd end up with, if I couldn't swing for a commercial grade unit like the SS-100/SS-200. I was glad that I could find a previous gen unit new for sale. I specifically wanted one of their pre-sale to Whirlpool unit designs. Went with the Pro 1100XL...cause they offer the same 3-stage grind elements, but with additional features that they removed as a cost cutting method on the newer units. Specifically the anti-jam circuit feature (that ups the torque on the motor if it senses a potential jam to clear it) and the auto-reverse feature. It also came with a 12 year warranty...starting from point of sale, or date of installation (or the manufacturing date on the unit if you lose your proof of purchase or proof of pro install date).
@@BigBear-- Yeah I know they don’t make any claims about the 4th stage outside of odor reduction, but compared to an evolution pro 1100xl I tested, the pro 1250 has marginally better discharge velocity. Seeing as the initial p-trap is the most likely spot to clog, the improved discharge should help from what I can tell. Agreed on the cost cutting on the newer gen, the 1100xl is overall a better unit compared to the 1250. And yup outside of commercial units, no modern disposal will have cast grind chambers and continuous cooling motors. Even reversing capacitor start motors seem to be getting phased out… Commercial units are better than everything build quality wise on the modern market. older vintage units did have cast grind chambers, and an arguably finer grind size then modern commercial units, Hobart, Maytag, GE, and wasteking made some incredible units back in the day for example. The higher water volumes requirements on commercial units let them grind more coarsely compared to residential units, in favor of processing materials faster. Currently I have a stockpile of a few old Viking rebranded Hobart units, vintage waste kings, lots of modern Insinkerator, and some old 8000 rpm GE models. So quite a lot of old stock for now lol. If I buy a commercial model it would be from Hobart or Wasteking IMO, Commercial Insinkerator units are very nicely built but they unfortunately lack any under-cutter system.
@@Dirty_Bear22Yeah I noticed that about the Insinkerator Commercial units, from I could tell in the schematics I didn't see an undercutter. Though overall performance can still be great depending on the main grinder element design, I thought that was a weird choice, considering they implement them in all their top residential units. I mentioned the SS-100/SS-200 mainly as price range examples. If I did decide to go the commercial route, I would've done extensive research before buyin, in which case maybe you're right that I wouldn't have gone with an Insinkerator bases on performance. Though I'm pretty sure their reliability and build quality is probably still there. Curious where you saw any "water velocity" comparison testing?
@@BigBear-- Lack of an undercutter should mainly effect the grinding capability of stringy materials, otherwise it shouldn’t make much of a difference. If I remember correctly the insinkerator commercial units require 5-10 GPM depending on the model, perhaps the high water volume lessens the need for an undercutter. Though it’s puzzling that other commercial manufacturers still include undercutter assembly’s, could be related to Patent conflicts or insinkerator commercial wanting to simplify production. Of course the more important metric to compare commercial brands would be average grind size, which is ultimately unavailable. You can somewhat see the differences in waste water discharge speed from the units in the vid. It’s not a massive difference mind you though. I mainly say that from my own experience from observing several units in person disconnected from piping. An exaggerated example is filling a sink with a measured amount of water and timing how fast a disposal can drain it, not really evident of actual usage, but it does demonstrate the difference in pumping efficiency between designs.
Yeah it does but if you honestly believe in the product I'm ok with that. I use your videos all the time to learn more about plumbing products and techniques. Thank you for the content
@@bradallen8909it's too convenient to not have. I would snake the drain regularly if that's what it took to use it, but the reality is as long as your plumbing doesn't suck it wont clog.
@@RogerWakefield They are very, very uncommon in Australia. I've never known anyone who has had one. They're pretty much redundant as the council provides a bin for food & garden waste.
You need the Tim the Toolman Taylor special - gas powered 2 stroke disposal that can eat up tree branches...
Yeah, you're talking about the Binford 2500 garbage disposal!!, lol 😆
Hi Roger, you need to install the new Binford 2500 model garbage disposal!!, more power! Lol 😆
We just had a Insink rep in to talk about the changes to the units. We collectively voiced our displeasure and frustration with new changes to the Contractor 333 and Insink Pro750 for the ridiculous additions of putting a wire harness (instead of hardwiring like always). It so frustrating. With these changes and fighting with the units, last one took me nearly 3 hours to install. We’re pissed.
I’ve done a couple. First one took me super long as I read the manual through to make sure I was doing it right but the second one went rather quickly. Once you know the measurements you need to cut the wires to (it says on the manual the exact size) you can fly through an install the same way you would a regular disposal
Code in NJ states that any solid waste needs to discharge into a pipe no smaller than 3" would never install in my house, but it's easy money when these jam and clog
Just snake it if it clogs, which it never really does unless your plumbing is crappy. Even then snaking it is more convenient than not having it
I never thought I'd get FOMO from a garbage disposal, yet here I am. lol
You gotta get yourself one!
I'm curious about the performance and feature differences between the Advanced Series Pro 1250, and the Pro 1100XL. Besides the Pro 1250 having that extra "wiping" arm at the bottom of the grinder, seems the 1100XL actually has more features. Or am I wrong? The Pro 1100XL has that jam sensor that ups the torque up to 500% if it senses something not grinding, and it auto-reverses to clear jams.
Are these ok for septics?
We're on a septic here at The Outhouse
Garbage disposals are plastic or pot metal tops are themselves garbage. The rotating hammer strikes the stationary anvil that is mild steel. It rusts up, swelling and cracking the upper housing creating a leak while guaranteeing a future sale!
I'll be honest, I hate that InSinkerator calls the Pro 1250 a "4-Stage" grinder. It's realistically still the same 3-stage: grind ring, lug plate, and undercutter disk, grind system. They just add a "wiper" element to wipe the sides down underneath the undercutter disk. So the "4th stage" isn't an actual grinder/cutter element. It doesn't actually cut/grind anything down finer than the 3-stage units. Maybe it helps with some odor build up over time, though to be honest, as long as you occasionally clean your disposal (with some baking soda), it's not an issue on the 3-stage units. Don't get me wrong, there are other benefits to the Pro 1250, like the uprated motor, and longer warranty. I just don't like the gimmick of calling it a 4-stage grinder, because it implies better grinding performance than the 3-stage...
I think they called it 4-stage grinding to simplify marketing. The main advantage of the additional wiper is to increase waste water discharge velocity, higher discharge velocity helps waste more easily navigate the P-trap curve and clear initial piping, thus aiding in clog prevention. You can kinda see the additional discharge velocity in the video, it’s even more apparent under higher water volumes.
@@Dirty_Bear22They make zero claims on any improved grinding performance from the 4-th stage, really. It's mainly there to limit the cleaning requirements for your disposal by maybe helping with some odor limiting improvements from the wiper arm.
I'm not knocking anyone owning one of these. Just for me personally I'm a function over form guy. Maybe it helps a bit with the odor. As far as I'm concerned it's potentially just an extra failure point. Considering it's a rubber element that spins. Though if the previous model range was not available these would probably still be the units I'd end up with, if I couldn't swing for a commercial grade unit like the SS-100/SS-200.
I was glad that I could find a previous gen unit new for sale. I specifically wanted one of their pre-sale to Whirlpool unit designs. Went with the Pro 1100XL...cause they offer the same 3-stage grind elements, but with additional features that they removed as a cost cutting method on the newer units. Specifically the anti-jam circuit feature (that ups the torque on the motor if it senses a potential jam to clear it) and the auto-reverse feature. It also came with a 12 year warranty...starting from point of sale, or date of installation (or the manufacturing date on the unit if you lose your proof of purchase or proof of pro install date).
@@BigBear-- Yeah I know they don’t make any claims about the 4th stage outside of odor reduction, but compared to an evolution pro 1100xl I tested, the pro 1250 has marginally better discharge velocity. Seeing as the initial p-trap is the most likely spot to clog, the improved discharge should help from what I can tell.
Agreed on the cost cutting on the newer gen, the 1100xl is overall a better unit compared to the 1250. And yup outside of commercial units, no modern disposal will have cast grind chambers and continuous cooling motors. Even reversing capacitor start motors seem to be getting phased out…
Commercial units are better than everything build quality wise on the modern market. older vintage units did have cast grind chambers, and an arguably finer grind size then modern commercial units, Hobart, Maytag, GE, and wasteking made some incredible units back in the day for example. The higher water volumes requirements on commercial units let them grind more coarsely compared to residential units, in favor of processing materials faster.
Currently I have a stockpile of a few old Viking rebranded Hobart units, vintage waste kings, lots of modern Insinkerator, and some old 8000 rpm GE models. So quite a lot of old stock for now lol. If I buy a commercial model it would be from Hobart or Wasteking IMO, Commercial Insinkerator units are very nicely built but they unfortunately lack any under-cutter system.
@@Dirty_Bear22Yeah I noticed that about the Insinkerator Commercial units, from I could tell in the schematics I didn't see an undercutter. Though overall performance can still be great depending on the main grinder element design, I thought that was a weird choice, considering they implement them in all their top residential units. I mentioned the SS-100/SS-200 mainly as price range examples. If I did decide to go the commercial route, I would've done extensive research before buyin, in which case maybe you're right that I wouldn't have gone with an Insinkerator bases on performance. Though I'm pretty sure their reliability and build quality is probably still there.
Curious where you saw any "water velocity" comparison testing?
@@BigBear-- Lack of an undercutter should mainly effect the grinding capability of stringy materials, otherwise it shouldn’t make much of a difference. If I remember correctly the insinkerator commercial units require 5-10 GPM depending on the model, perhaps the high water volume lessens the need for an undercutter. Though it’s puzzling that other commercial manufacturers still include undercutter assembly’s, could be related to Patent conflicts or insinkerator commercial wanting to simplify production. Of course the more important metric to compare commercial brands would be average grind size, which is ultimately unavailable.
You can somewhat see the differences in waste water discharge speed from the units in the vid. It’s not a massive difference mind you though. I mainly say that from my own experience from observing several units in person disconnected from piping. An exaggerated example is filling a sink with a measured amount of water and timing how fast a disposal can drain it, not really evident of actual usage, but it does demonstrate the difference in pumping efficiency between designs.
Great video thanks for sharing!
Our pleasure! Do you have a garbage disposal?
I collect garbage disposals I have one from the 1960s
I have 1 from 1952 u wanna buy it
@@byallmeansneccasary6884 what brand
Buy it from him
@@byallmeansneccasary6884 what brand is it
buy it from him
Just another test, chopping up rhubarb stalks !!!!, now that would be a great test !!!
Good suggestion!
Many sanitary sewer authorities would like you not to use these due to FOG issues.
He left out the step where you chase the one little piece of food with the faucet for 30 seconds just to get it to go down the drain.
Thats a pretty complex juicer you have there
It is...but quite fun 😅
So basically its a juicer
Juice can be a lot of things if you're brave enough.
Is this an ad?
Did it seem like an ad to you?
Yeah it does but if you honestly believe in the product I'm ok with that. I use your videos all the time to learn more about plumbing products and techniques. Thank you for the content
@@RogerWakefield just curious, do you recommend scraping dishe scraps into garbage disposal or is it really just for scraps that end up in there
Personally I dont think a 'quiet' disposal is a good thing. They should be loud AF so you know they're running.
My garbage can works faster, requires no electricity and is ultra quiet. 🤣🤣🤣
How is it powered then?
@@RogerWakefield By my elbow. 💪😂😂
first
That wasnt a review. That was an advertisement.
Seems like a review to me...I tested it and gave my thoughts
@@RogerWakefield There's no way in hell they didn't pay you to do that video. No plumber would ever recommend installing one of these things.
Do people not use disposals where you live? They are pretty common here in Texas, and it's common for plumbers to install and maintain these...
@@bradallen8909it's too convenient to not have. I would snake the drain regularly if that's what it took to use it, but the reality is as long as your plumbing doesn't suck it wont clog.
@@RogerWakefield They are very, very uncommon in Australia. I've never known anyone who has had one. They're pretty much redundant as the council provides a bin for food & garden waste.