Carbon Fiber Bikes - Are They Strong Enough? (ft. Raoul Luescher)

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  • Опубліковано 23 чер 2016
  • This video discusses whether carbon fiber bikes are strong enough and worth the money for cyclists to spend their hard-earned dollars. Raoul Luescher is an expert in the field and a world-renowned key opinion leader.
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  • @GPerdento
    @GPerdento 4 роки тому +6

    This gentleman is not only a talented carbon bike healer, he is also a prolific classical music concert conductor

  • @fatyowls
    @fatyowls 6 років тому +3

    I thought this was going to be boring, but I could listen to this guy all day long..

  • @leonelgraca
    @leonelgraca 7 років тому +92

    Dear friend, I am a graduated Polymers and Composites engineer and did R&D for motorsports some years ago. This guy rocks, knows his business and you did a great set of 3 videos with him. I hope to see more. Thanks for this.

    • @p4inmaker
      @p4inmaker 7 років тому +5

      I learned a ton from this, good stuff.

    • @teslaaficionado2674
      @teslaaficionado2674 4 роки тому

      @@LuescherTeknik Quick question. What is the model and type of transducer you are using for crack inspection on carbon bikes?

    • @DeffJam100
      @DeffJam100 3 роки тому

      Dude can you help me out ? I have a question, regarding one Carbon Full suspension ebike frame, i'm interested in..

  • @dudaclash
    @dudaclash 8 років тому +327

    Imagine trying to sell this guy a bike

    • @jonathank5289
      @jonathank5289 8 років тому +18

      Best reply yet! but...They question should be how to buy one of the bikes this guy builds for himself!

    • @JustADudeWithAnUnnecessaryName
      @JustADudeWithAnUnnecessaryName 8 років тому +12

      I'd love to have him with me when I'm looking to buy a new carbon bike (second hand off of kijiji (Canadian craigslist))

    • @gplama
      @gplama 8 років тому +15

      I wore custom shoes he made for about a year. Brilliant. But like his bikes, very limited run (or once offs)

    • @MikeBritton
      @MikeBritton 8 років тому +5

      So he makes shoes like Adam Hansen? Would love to see an example of his work in this area.

    • @gplama
      @gplama 8 років тому +1

      drewginn.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/photo-702956.jpg
      Prototypes. This was a few years ago now.

  • @12tuber1234
    @12tuber1234 8 років тому +24

    I always enjoy listening to the industry dudes that have no problem telling it like it is. There's the marketing tech that sells bikes and then there's the tech that makes a good bike. Thoroughly enjoyed that.

  • @GetzenBassPlayer
    @GetzenBassPlayer 8 років тому +17

    my Dad worked in the Black Box at Boeing for 30 years. The Black Box is where a lot of the top secret and military work is done. When I showed him my Kestrel back in 1992 he laughed. He said the bike industry was lightyears behind the aerospace industry in terms of understanding carbon. Your guy is spot on. Pretty much said the same things my Dad said way back in the day.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому +3

      Gerald G After working building sattelites, then wrenching in a shop and cutting broken frames up, I agree!

    • @briantruck2284
      @briantruck2284 3 роки тому

      Hopefully make progress

  • @blocheadz
    @blocheadz 8 років тому +15

    I'm an aerospace inspection engineer that makes Carbon aircraft. Thanks for video, it's exciting to see this level of discussion going on!

  • @KelseyLeighV
    @KelseyLeighV 8 років тому +30

    Four minutes in and already learning SO much from this guy! 👍

  • @whitestuff10
    @whitestuff10 8 років тому +7

    I could listen to Raoul all day, there are so many UA-cam vlogs on carbon products but Raoul seems to be the man who knows.

  • @theadventurebiker
    @theadventurebiker 7 років тому +35

    Wow... about the best cycling video I've watched in the last year or two, hands down, bar none.

    • @Ivan-lw2ux
      @Ivan-lw2ux 5 років тому +1

      😂😂😂😂😂I was dying when I read "hands down" in your comment.
      Especially watching this guy talk.

  • @Willzyak343
    @Willzyak343 8 років тому +8

    Wicked video Maven, that dude was awesome. Can't wait for the next vlog with him.

  • @frenzalrhomb1
    @frenzalrhomb1 2 роки тому +2

    LT is the best engineer talking about bikes on UA-cam by a mile, thanks for this 👍.

  • @1xRacer
    @1xRacer 8 років тому +4

    One of the most important cycling videos ive ever seen, thank you, thank you

  • @BrianButler
    @BrianButler 8 років тому +6

    This beats the socks of anything I've seen on the Discovery channel in the last few year!

  • @VeteranFitnessChannel101
    @VeteranFitnessChannel101 8 років тому +1

    A cracking video and thanks. Good to see the Lama making a cameo. Incredibly insightful.

  • @drdrew007
    @drdrew007 8 років тому +1

    Absolutely fascinating! More videos of the sheer wealth of knowledge that Raoul obviously possesses are NEEDED on UA-cam!

  • @jonathank5289
    @jonathank5289 8 років тому +39

    One of your best videos ever! Amazing info! You could of made 5 videos out of that hour interview.
    I think you should do multiple videos about carbon rims etc. with this guy. One video would be a waste for your channel. You could do a weekly video on different products etc. and keep the viewer wanting more. The turn around to get a bike fixed by Raoul may be up to a month after this video.
    Also like Shane Miller's video's!

    • @gplama
      @gplama 8 років тому +8

      I knew it'd be a gem of a video once we tee'd up Maven to meet Raoul. Based on the result, The Maven nailed it!

  • @drewginn74
    @drewginn74 8 років тому +12

    Maven, you only got the tip of the ice berg with Raoul. The conversations I have enjoyed with him over the years are some of the most vast, comprehensive and they can get deep. Raoul is awesome is he's a gem in the industry and he also rowed and has do some many of his own physical testing in rowing and cycling, endurance and extreme ways to build capacity mentally and physically. Just important not to give him coffee because he gets fasts and crazier. Great interview and Raoul is truely awesome.

    • @gplama
      @gplama 8 років тому +1

      I pointed out the photos of you on the TT bike on the way out mate. Fitting you within the UCI regulations had to be one of the greatest engineering challenges of the last decade for sure! ;)

    • @drewginn74
      @drewginn74 8 років тому

      Like a crushed pretzel. Heaps of fun though. Loving what you and Maven are doing.

    • @cyclingmaven
      @cyclingmaven  8 років тому

      Yeah mate I gathered he's a very interesting bloke.

  • @inSideMusicGroup
    @inSideMusicGroup 8 років тому +1

    felt like an lecture in my university that was awesome. Im glad you and the carbon guru shared this valuable information. :)

  • @KingKita
    @KingKita 8 років тому

    That was an incredibly informative video!! I could watch you three talking over coffee for a couple of hours straight! "The carbon TEDcycling Talk". Thanks for taking us with you, really looking forward to the next part!

  • @jubilaru8789
    @jubilaru8789 8 років тому +5

    geeky!!! i love it ! thanks.
    i bought an 11 years old canyon ultimate frame on ebay. 12k km later, everything is ok. i cannot see myself going back to alloy , even if in my beautiful country there is no such thing as carbon repair...

  • @AlNino10
    @AlNino10 8 років тому +27

    I finally know who plays C3PO...

  • @joshuacfwang
    @joshuacfwang 8 років тому

    Solid video with great technical content and feels like a real "after-hours" shop talk. Really enjoyed this one and thanks for posting!

  • @MrJobcon
    @MrJobcon 4 роки тому +1

    I know this is an old video but so informational! I learned a lot and very entertaining. Gives me a lot to think about before purchasing a used CF bike. Thanks for posting Mark.

  • @cyc00000
    @cyc00000 8 років тому +8

    I've visited him a few times, he's a genius!

  • @pedroapples1680
    @pedroapples1680 7 років тому +28

    I actually had the sound off I just interpreted the hand movement

  • @rustman888
    @rustman888 6 років тому +1

    I'm about four weeks from having my BS in aerospace engineering, and I could listen to this guy talk all day.

  • @tehjawsome
    @tehjawsome 8 років тому

    I never comment on your videos (though I watch every one) but felt the need to this time because this is awesome. Super informative and one of your best vids. Thanks, Mark!

  • @MrWoowootila
    @MrWoowootila 7 років тому +39

    Ok, carbon can more prone to manufacturing defects, damaged during installation of components, damage during handling and in a crash. Yes, I would choose carbon??? I can understand if you race and every gram could count in a race finishing position, but I am a middle age guy who is more concerned with stability and ride quality. I am looking at buying a gravel grinder and will probably keep the bike for at least a decade. I also do not want to worry about gravel damaging the frame while riding. Steel or titanium seems like a more logical choice.

    • @domestique3954
      @domestique3954 4 роки тому +3

      Johnny Woo You are absolutely right!
      I bought 2 titanium frames back in 2003.One is my winter bike with son and b& m lights,the other one was my lightweight
      project and with around 8 kg it is about 2kg lighter than the winter bike(60cm frames!).
      I did never regret that buy-both look brandnew and they also ride like brandnew.Outstanding performance.
      You can hit the tubes with a hammer and you will barely see scratches.Best bikes i’ve ever ridden-the flexing is perfect for the bad roads
      i’m riding,bad weather doesn’t affect me anymore.
      And at age 17 years there’s still value to the frames.And maybe after my death someone will decide to turn them into a ✈️ plane.
      You can also buy them second hand🤙

    • @domestique3954
      @domestique3954 4 роки тому +1

      humanISvegan definitely! I’m on titanium roadbikes since 2004-i got two identical frames with different setup.
      One like a randonneur and the other one as a lightweight.They are still like brandnew,although both are ridden hard.
      Summer bike and winter bike.Awsome belgian handcrafted masterpieces!
      But these days you can also build very light steel frames,very stiff with oversized tubes.I also have a steel bike just to have this special feeling on the road! 🤙

    • @brandonclark435
      @brandonclark435 3 роки тому +4

      Nothing wrong with aluminum, it's still strong enough.

    • @daverts
      @daverts 3 роки тому +1

      Aluminum does have fatigue life lower than steel, and is more prone to ride harshly, although my 90s Redline Conquest aluminum Cyclocross frame rides really smoothly. My 2018 Raleigh RSX aluminum rides hard and stiff, though it's fast. My favorite ride of all is my '95 Merlin Extralight titanium- very very nice.. Many experienced for decades riders such as I will prefer Ti and steel.

    • @duboseq1
      @duboseq1 3 роки тому +1

      I'll stick with my titanium frame

  • @lilflatty2472
    @lilflatty2472 7 років тому +14

    COUNT HOW MANY TIME THE CAMERA MAN SAYS "YEAH" LOL 😂 VERY INFORMATIVE THOUGH👍🏻

  • @ronnyjegan
    @ronnyjegan 8 років тому

    thats one of the most interesting bike videos i have seen on youtube, cant wait to see the next one when you go back to pick up the bike

  • @waleed7596
    @waleed7596 2 роки тому

    Excellent questions the channel owner asked!

  • @Kevin-uf6in
    @Kevin-uf6in 8 років тому +7

    That dude was seriously knowledgeable and interesting

  • @death2pc
    @death2pc 7 років тому +4

    Love that lugged steel, combined with 32x3X wheels......................... And Campy.

  • @bobstevens9040
    @bobstevens9040 8 років тому

    This is the most informative and thought provoking thing I have seen on You-Tube for a long time . This guy really knows his stuff.

  • @givemeasi
    @givemeasi 8 років тому +1

    Keep up the great vlog Maven!

  • @havefunandbikestuff
    @havefunandbikestuff 8 років тому +17

    wowed. and more wowed. this is really informative cutting edge knowledge right here. I have a 2nd hand Kestrel Talon of about 3 years now, and I purchased off Craigslist, I fully inspected it with a flashlight as best as I could when I bought it. it is a heavier bike, Talon model, but so far soo good. it does say "advanced high modulous carbon" on it, now that I think about it lol! Great content Maven!

    • @cyclingmaven
      @cyclingmaven  8 років тому +1

      Thanks mate.

    • @terminalvortex4034
      @terminalvortex4034 7 років тому +1

      Great Vid Maven...that Guys a Carbon Zen Master:)).... i hope i fly in his Tail Planed Boeing Planes:))

    • @graememorrison333
      @graememorrison333 7 років тому +3

      That'll be that sooper, sooper-dooper hi mod carbon then! I've idly considered setting up a nice little carbon repair business myself, but after watching this video I think it' best left to people who actually know what they're doing.

  • @MichaelRenardson
    @MichaelRenardson 8 років тому +6

    Fantastic guy! He was so knowledgeable and taught me many things I did not know. Wish there was someone like that me near me!

  • @BobMaulucci
    @BobMaulucci 8 років тому

    Might be my favorite Maven video yet. Thanks!

  • @mrpboddy6015
    @mrpboddy6015 8 років тому

    Fantastic vid. Best one yet Mark.

  • @MartyDaley
    @MartyDaley 8 років тому +136

    100% of your followers have paused this video to check for carbon wrinkles.

    • @EdgeOfDarkness86
      @EdgeOfDarkness86 8 років тому +6

      Sorry but you're wrong.

    • @MartyDaley
      @MartyDaley 8 років тому +23

      +Fredrik HL but I phoned every 6000+ viewers who watch it and they personally told me "Hi Marty. Yes, I paused the video at the point where he spoke about carbon wrinkling and checked my carbon bike instantly. Thanks for the call Marty. By the way, how did you get my number? Bye." It took a while Fredrik HL. I hope you believe me. I know Fergal Manergal does.

    • @ChuiStrong
      @ChuiStrong 8 років тому

      Not unless you have unidirectional.

    • @DLITINTHEHOUSE
      @DLITINTHEHOUSE 8 років тому

      Guilty. Didn't get a good look so I'm not sure what to compare it to. My Jamis is unilateral.

    • @OliverPickard
      @OliverPickard 8 років тому +15

      no wrinkles im my 27yo steel frame lol

  • @MIT2004
    @MIT2004 8 років тому +117

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

  • @vikram360
    @vikram360 8 років тому

    This was absolutely wonderful! I wish more people would do videos like this! Keep them comin' mate, you're well on your way to becoming a force to be reckoned with in the UA-cam cycling world!

  • @medicknights
    @medicknights 7 років тому +1

    I love this guy! His expertise is a pleasure to listen to. I could listen to this guy all day!!

  • @fuller1074
    @fuller1074 8 років тому +17

    Really interesting discussion about the carbon wrinkles...bike industry seemingly getting away with a second rate product? or do the demands of cycling not create enough stress on the frame for the wrinkles to be a major issue?

    • @JS-tb9hu
      @JS-tb9hu 8 років тому

      I thought the same

    • @dicktrickle5352
      @dicktrickle5352 7 років тому +1

      J S company's don't give a fuck, as long as it meets industry standard, Hell who cares anyway we're the dumb ass people paying 5_10,000 Dollars on a bike. I would pump them out too.

  • @DeeAreFresh
    @DeeAreFresh 8 років тому +3

    helluva vlog. This guy is THE guru...I think i'll stick to the aluminati for now

  • @shanel2811
    @shanel2811 8 років тому

    Amazing video. Learnt so much. Looking forward on the next episode.

  • @richsantos4579
    @richsantos4579 8 років тому

    I've been watching your vlogs for a while now, and have yet to comment. Love the content in general, but, as a home wrench, this was a fascinating watch. Thanks for all you do, Maven.

  • @smsd777
    @smsd777 8 років тому +150

    Hold his hands down and see if he can still talk..................

    • @tonyp2632
      @tonyp2632 7 років тому +15

      my girlfriend masturbates with hers...

    • @experiment54
      @experiment54 7 років тому +5

      better yet test him to see if he's made of carbon fibre as its clear he's trying to take off

    • @63Baggies
      @63Baggies 6 років тому +2

      He must be part Italian :-)

    • @freddiesanke64
      @freddiesanke64 5 років тому +1

      I think he's epileptic.... Or a musical conductor in his past life.....

    • @alantaylor6691
      @alantaylor6691 5 років тому

      He'd be speechless without his hands.

  • @zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589
    @zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 7 років тому +8

    They don't make fighter/passenger aircraft undercarriage struts out of CF, they make them out of titanium, which is where Litespeed, Lynskey and Moots got their start. They're both good, but my titanium bike will be around decades after all these unrecyclable CF bikes and wheels are in the tip.

    • @LuescherTeknik
      @LuescherTeknik 7 років тому +4

      Thanks for the comments. The landing gear is often made of steel, the Aermet alloy was created for F18 landing gear. Carbon is good for some things but not all things, the same as metals, that's why there are no good Ti forks available. Also note that they typically do not weld structural metal parts on an aircraft. There are plenty of metal bikes that have cracked at the HAZ around the welds. The recycling is problem with lots of research going into it right now.

    • @wonkylommiter6364
      @wonkylommiter6364 7 років тому +2

      Does heat treating after the welding on metal bikes (i know steel is sometimes brazed so isnt affected in the way welded steel is) reduce the cracking problem around the heat affected zone, or is the area around a weld always going to be a bit weaker?

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому +1

      Wonky Lommiter You are correct. Aluminum frames require heat treating after welding. Keith Bontrager introduced special gussets to reinforce weld effected zones on mountain bikes in the late 80s. They were copied by many manufacturers.

  • @joeszeto8859
    @joeszeto8859 8 років тому

    INCREDIBLE!!!! Tremendous insights from another perspective, one that's not trying to sell you something... Please keep it coming...!!!!

  • @champamoore
    @champamoore 8 років тому

    Great one! Looking forward to the next vlog on carbon wheels.

  • @TheRealMattV
    @TheRealMattV 8 років тому +3

    The best discussion on carbon bikes I've seen, that carbon guy is awesome, such knowledge and passion, can't wait to see more from him

  • @jontze4970
    @jontze4970 8 років тому +4

    "Yeah" -Mark Ferguson, most of this video

  • @daveknott4563
    @daveknott4563 7 років тому

    wow, my mind is blown! thanks for facilitating this conversation with Raul.

  • @lewuziak
    @lewuziak 8 років тому +1

    quality vlog mate! as always

  • @mikenguyen8800
    @mikenguyen8800 8 років тому +3

    Fixed my Bianchi rear seat stay here. Packaging plastic bag caught onto the rear derailleur and caused it to lock. Snapped the hanger swung around to shatter the rear stay lol. One repair expensive bill.

  • @John-ho4tv
    @John-ho4tv 7 років тому +40

    Ok. I am officially going back to steel frames after watching this.

    • @marcin3844
      @marcin3844 6 років тому +5

      You may consider titanium too. I have one and I'm loving it.

    • @ianbirch5811
      @ianbirch5811 5 років тому +1

      Ive had 2 carbon boardman frames crack within 3 months , im getting it exchanged for the aluminium version !!!

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 4 роки тому

      I used to manufacture and inspect carbon structures for aerospace and satellites. Believe me, you, myself and most consumers could never afford a bicycle of this quality.
      WHY do you think most bikes are manufactured in Asia???? Asian quality is frequently crap and it's very apparent there is little to no QC happening. I have seen numerous companies try to save money manufacturing in Asia and suffer or fail for it.
      Human safety, quality and reliability are very important to me! High reliability manufacturing is what I did in a 30 year career!
      Steel is real!! You can SEE the quality.
      I ride custom steel and aluminum frames. (Maybe Ill get a Ti frame when I sell my house)
      I know my builder. Ive ridden with him. If there's any issues, (there never has been) I know who to confront. I know his work ethic, his history and many other riders happy with his work.
      I can visit his shop anytime (local business) and oversee my frame or others being built anytime.
      I try to support and buy from local business which helps our economy.
      I get EXACTLY what I WANT!!! Not what some brainless marketeer 'thinks' I need. My builder is a very small one man business to keep costs down. I can get a really nice frame that can last a lifetime for under $2000. It's a killer deal in my book.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 4 роки тому +2

      bigpun2k6 Youd never know how good your frame is until you cut it apart to inspect the lay up and quality.
      Ive done this on numerous crashed carbon bikes. I was a mechanical inspector building carbon satellite structures at one time. I know what to look for. I'm also a machinist and high end bike mechanic. Ive built high performance motor vehicles. I know what high reliability means. I haven't seen a single carbon frame that would pass muster in high reliability manufacturing. Ive also precision measured well over 100 press fit bottom brackets for interference fit bearing tolerances. I'm curious as to why they wear out so fast and are so noisy. I haven't found a single pressfit shell that meets accepted manufacturing industry interference fit tolerances. NOT ONE. There's quality for you and as an expert I call it shit quality.
      There will always be fools such as yourself willing to believe and pay for marketing lies. I have experience in real industry. I KNOW BETTER!

  • @bubbastard
    @bubbastard 8 років тому

    Providing more facts, and research / news on carbon bikes than any major cycling publication I have read in the last 20 years. Well done!

  • @mihajlomitrovic1211
    @mihajlomitrovic1211 3 роки тому

    Absolute banger of a video. Very very educational.

  • @fucktheworld1207
    @fucktheworld1207 8 років тому +13

    Oh lets not all ride carbon bikes anymore.....Hmmmmmmm...

  • @petef15
    @petef15 4 роки тому +3

    this repair guy is a lowkey genius.

    • @hugohschnake
      @hugohschnake 4 роки тому

      Mecanic sounds more respectable

  • @shibaburn7725
    @shibaburn7725 8 років тому

    Amazing content! The interview was so, so informative.

  • @pjsii
    @pjsii 8 років тому

    Another terrific vlog, Maven! Very informative and entertaining!

  • @john_p
    @john_p 8 років тому +5

    how long til graphene frames? :)

  • @m93sek
    @m93sek 8 років тому +12

    My Canyon got loads of these wrinkels. Thats just great.

    • @ARMWRESTLINGCYCLINGFRANCE
      @ARMWRESTLINGCYCLINGFRANCE 8 років тому +1

      I think it's probably a extremely common occurrence regardless of cost or brand.

    • @experiment54
      @experiment54 8 років тому +5

      hes just trying to scare sales you. I bet it brings in good business.

    • @willbudge826
      @willbudge826 8 років тому +2

      I was going to ask whether Canyon's CT scanner would pick those up? +Cycling Maven any idea after your trip to Canyon?

    • @gweflj
      @gweflj 8 років тому

      My Specialized has far more wrinkles than my Giant.

  • @sveng5319
    @sveng5319 8 років тому

    Great video! This guy seems really enjoying to share his knowledge. Was joy watching it.

  • @sambush5656
    @sambush5656 8 років тому

    Mate... bar the Tour VLOG's this was one of the best I've watched. Smart, classy guy.

  • @JunixKuizon
    @JunixKuizon 8 років тому +9

    Carbon as a material is awesome but the process is also important. Its wrong to say carbon is better than steel bike. Modern steel is not that bad in terms weight compared to carbon.

  • @joshgray9035
    @joshgray9035 8 років тому +24

    interesting guy. I reckon he's inhaled some serious resin fumes in his time

  • @braddon79
    @braddon79 8 років тому

    Great vid Maven thoroughly enjoyed it! Raoul was such an interesting bloke, could listen to him for hours! i am with one of the other commenters: i rarely listen to a 30 min blog video from start to finish but this was great! Thank for your videos and time you put into them, the quality and content is fantastic. Have a great weekend mate! Brad from Brissie 😆 😆

  • @ianandkaye
    @ianandkaye 8 років тому +1

    Maven you have just taken it to the next level. Great stuff.

  • @PrivateEyeYiYi
    @PrivateEyeYiYi 8 років тому +64

    Who calibrates the calibrator?

    • @LRGHMN
      @LRGHMN 7 років тому +6

      That's exactly what I want to know ?? Or better yet who calibrates the calibrators calibrator ? Fck my head hurts !!

    • @southjerseysound7340
      @southjerseysound7340 7 років тому +5

      They use a load cell or load sensor and its a fairly simple circuit that almost always has a way to calibrate itself built in.If you google how they work you'll understand how they are calibrated.But in short they get zeroed out,a tare weight is added and then the little microcontroller does the rest.Once you tell it zero and say a 10lb tare weight the little computer calculates the rest.
      It's not like they are using mechanical measurement like the actual wrench uses to calibrate the wrench.

    • @experiment54
      @experiment54 7 років тому +2

      Thats the old insanity test joke isn't it.

    • @basedgodstrugglin
      @basedgodstrugglin 5 років тому

      Your mom does, she’s the grand calibrator

    • @deskelly9313
      @deskelly9313 5 років тому

      Jesus himself

  • @aaron___6014
    @aaron___6014 7 років тому +12

    would he buy a carbon bike as a consumer? I think he said he'd ride his own carbon. correct me if I'm wrong.

    • @aaron___6014
      @aaron___6014 7 років тому +10

      8 months later. my carbon frame is damaged.

    • @RuggeroCappello90
      @RuggeroCappello90 3 роки тому

      Aaron ___ how did this happen?

    • @aaron___6014
      @aaron___6014 3 роки тому

      @@RuggeroCappello90 first time chain suck caused a derailuer jockey tooth to press into the chainstay hard enough to dent it.
      Second time someone crashed bysode me me in a cross race landed on my chainstay. That caused two small lines or cracks.
      Both were repaired and I still use the bikes.

  • @tysonw7819
    @tysonw7819 8 років тому

    dude this is so sweet, can't wait for more of this

  • @andylees8939
    @andylees8939 6 років тому

    Pure joy listening to someone who knows their business in such depth.

  • @Racertague
    @Racertague 8 років тому +3

    As someone who works with high end carbon fiber building yachts. I found this to be the my favorite vlog to date. Keep up the great work. I ride in south Florida where it's flat and fast, most guys ride pretty deep carbon wheels which work great once your up to speed say 25mph+. I ride zipp 606's on the flat group rides which I love. In crit racing there is a lot of acceleration surges that require more energy coming out of slower corners or covering attacks. What is the preferred wheel depth for that type of racing? And I've never road tubular's just clintchers but obviously in a race if i get a flat i'm out so are tubular style wheels a better choice for crits? Cheers you cracking human:)

  • @lemmykilz
    @lemmykilz 7 років тому +4

    I think this dude has forgotten more than I know about bikes!

  • @MarkProvan
    @MarkProvan 3 роки тому +1

    Great video mate, loved seeing Obree on the wall. He's the president of my club here in Scotland!

  • @runningwithmarc
    @runningwithmarc 8 років тому

    Great blog mate, loved hearing all this valuable information. Thanks for that Mark :)

  • @M_M0109
    @M_M0109 8 років тому +5

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeahyeahyeah, right, yeahyeah

  • @help8help
    @help8help 7 років тому +27

    So Carbon fiber bicycles are incredibly fragile and risky unless they're designed, and built by an engineer, and 100% tested. On top of that they're $5-10,000 even if they are defective. Add on to that the hospital bills for a catastrophic failure at high speed. Somehow that doesn't seem to be a risk worth taking.
    Good to know.

    • @MillowQc
      @MillowQc 6 років тому +5

      Exactly what I was thinking, bring me some titanium damn it !

    • @jensenblaze25
      @jensenblaze25 6 років тому +1

      If only graphene would take the floor already...but you need know mate, to roll on metal is to sacrifice insanely substantial amounts of acceleration, top speed, stopping distance, comfortability, efficiency and you'd be throwing much more pedaling energy into any crank movement, plus the topics discussed are for racer-types who should know what to look for in buying such godliness for quality/flaw checks...after trained eyes pass inspection, the bike has about 0.0004% chance of failure..you're taking this video as some sort of "DO NOT BUY CARBON FIBRE" type esque when it's nothing more than any other thoroughly informative video about proper care for aluminium or steel frames which have something definitely over 1 or 3 % failure rate (both percents consider perfect care and flawless manufacture, 1 year after purchase/normal use) what constitutes a chance of failure is mostly always going to be the rider's fault, for failing to properly maintain the bike's peak level of performance and success.the land of carbon fibre is a judgment call of practicality-do you race? Commute daily? Non reactive material has a massive reduction in needing maintenance,no need to freak out about water trapped in your cranks, no constant tightening of every bolt and nut per the stiffness of metal/vibration nudging them off, no warping from heavy use

  • @TheVishaq
    @TheVishaq 8 років тому

    Awesome episode. This has been the most enlightening video on carbon bikes on youtube by far!

  • @kurtandrews6888
    @kurtandrews6888 8 років тому

    Well done with the educational vlog! My knowledge was very limited regarding carbon fiber as it pertains to bicycles and Raul put on a great class for all of us. Doing these types of vlogs is very much appreciated. I would definitely love to see more.

  • @bloodsord9
    @bloodsord9 8 років тому +38

    so there's bike porn. this is like bike horror. seriously, I'm scared for my bike now.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 4 роки тому +2

      And you should be.
      I used to manufacture and inspect carbon satellite structures. Now I wrench in a shop in my semi retirement. I cut up crashed frames and precision measure bb shells to satisfy my curiosity. What I find on carbon bikes shows a very big ignorance of QC. Why do you think most bikes are manufactured in Asia?
      In 50 years of playing around with bikes, I've seen maybe a dozen damaged metal frames that couldn't be repaired, mostly because they weren't worth the cost.
      In just 5 years wrenching in shops I've seen dozens of bikes relegated to the dumpster!!
      Steel is real. Metal is better.

    • @ledcessna158
      @ledcessna158 3 роки тому +1

      No brand is safe! 😱

  • @triode1212
    @triode1212 7 років тому +9

    The reality is that the main consumers of CF bikes, i.e. Cafe Racer MAMILS white collar executive types in middle management are just buying these expensive CF bikes to boost their ego (akin to the middle aged tool in his brand new sports car). The performance afforded by these expensive light weight CF frames will never be maximised by their weekend warrior owners as they race each other to their favourite coffee joint . They would be better off spending the same amount of money on a custom made Steel or Titanium bicycle (from skilled artisans) that is tailored to their exact pot bellied dimensions. And which they will not have to worry about should they accidentally drop their bike or run over a large pothole. The catastrophic mode of failure of CF makes is what these MAMILS should be worried about. With Steel , Titanium and Alloy bikes, they will let you know when they are going to fail well before you take that steep downhill run and won't cave suddenly under you. But Nooo...everyone wants to ride the latest and greatest CF bike because it is what the TdF riders ride.

    • @shanewatson9010
      @shanewatson9010 6 років тому

      You have made me smile reading this Triodie 12 old mate.

    • @charliejeans2413
      @charliejeans2413 6 років тому +1

      Triode 12 yes i agree. Ill bet this guy gets sued for faulty work. His knowledge is only just above the person selling the bike. The expensive parts are pressured moulded and vacuum moulded in one piece. The stress fractures are not visible to the naked eye or by magnification. Manufacturers will not repair carbon fibre bike parts. There a really good reason they don't. Once riden on the road the stresses from a metal part on carbon fibre is not able to be seen.
      This guys found a neiche in the market. After i researched and repaired a few of my own parts i decided against repairing anything for others. The risks are very real and too great.
      Unless a maker can guarantee all his work i wouldn't touch a carbon fibre bike.

    • @davidbooth806
      @davidbooth806 6 років тому

      OK this is only one MAMIL's feedback but I rode an early Giant CFR2 for 21 years and when I retired treated myself to a new Giant Defy Advanced Pro 1, the old CFR2 is still being ridden to University by my son-in-law and I'm riding faster than ever on my much lighter Defy. Point? The CFR2 is still going strong but the lacquer did erode off, otherwise no cracks, no catastrophic failures despite the odd drop and instant dismount. So maybe not all carbon fibre is as bad as you think, or maybe I'm just lucky.

  • @emss66
    @emss66 8 років тому +2

    Awesome Video, not that I have a carbon fibre bike yet, but plenty of knowledge bombs in this video. My only bike is a 1975 Alan, quite flexy slightly too big for me, but it is what I ride on for now and I have fun :D
    Would be so great to hear more from this guy, Raoul, so much knowledge without marketing BS. thank you Maven.

  • @alightfoot5
    @alightfoot5 8 років тому

    Such an informative video Maven. Cheers!

  • @stevewalther9965
    @stevewalther9965 7 років тому +13

    The king has no clothing. I never bought into the marketing hype of carbon.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 4 роки тому

      Don't 'buy into' the marketing hype of anything!
      Marketing is just another word for propaganda or brainwashing!!

  • @BIGDO13
    @BIGDO13 8 років тому +8

    also... Thule is pronounced "Tooly"... just found that out last week...

    • @gplama
      @gplama 8 років тому +1

      The Aussie team tell us it's Tool-a.... but they also accept Thool... Tooolay..... tomato/potato, it doesn't matter. It's just good gear. :)

    • @BIGDO13
      @BIGDO13 8 років тому +1

      Shane Miller i second that... but i definitely was embarrassed at how I was mispronouncing it all this time.. lol.. what a newb I must've sounded like eh m8?

    • @itschriswinter
      @itschriswinter 8 років тому +5

      I'd say i tool-eh, as it's swedish

    • @MikeBolitho
      @MikeBolitho 8 років тому +1

      It's definitely tooly.
      www.rackoutfitters.com/how-do-you-pronounce-thule/

  • @JP-om3ou
    @JP-om3ou 8 років тому +1

    So glad I stumbled across this video. Tired of marketing bs pushing crap we don't need...
    Just subscribed, great vid

  • @michelbesedin7081
    @michelbesedin7081 3 роки тому

    Thx Mark for the right questions and shared knowledge!

  • @holdencraig3010
    @holdencraig3010 7 років тому +6

    yea, yea, yea, yeaaaaaaa, yea
    yea

  • @charlesmansplaining
    @charlesmansplaining 6 років тому +4

    I just recently sold my last carbon bike and won't be owning any more carbon frames or components. I must have spent more than $200,000 on carbon parts in my life and they all look like crappy garbage after a year or two of use. They are pretty when new but the stuff just isn't made to last. So I've gone back to Ti and aluminum components and frames. Just the way it has to be once you get tired of throwing money down the toilet. But I don't race any more so the small weight difference doesn't matter to me.

  • @robbonner
    @robbonner 8 років тому

    watched it all the way through. love the passion

  • @JordanReynoldsx
    @JordanReynoldsx 8 років тому

    Super informative! Have him back in the vlog again!

  • @zfiddy
    @zfiddy 8 років тому +3

    any chance of knowing the price of that repair?

    • @cyclingmaven
      @cyclingmaven  8 років тому +5

      Mine is $700

    • @zfiddy
      @zfiddy 8 років тому +2

      +Cycling Maven thanks for that!!
      p.s your quality of videos is going north very quickly, won't be long and you'll be youtubes top cycling blogger: -)

    • @zfiddy
      @zfiddy 8 років тому

      +Yeah...Nah...Maybe *vlogger

    • @bassdewd
      @bassdewd 8 років тому +1

      Pff my entire bike costs less than that!

    • @RixterNow
      @RixterNow 8 років тому

      +Cycling Maven did insurance not cover that, if this is a result of the head-on crash from the tourist driving the wrong way? If so shouldn't the whole frame have been replaced?

  • @senchi9363
    @senchi9363 7 років тому +3

    I think titanium is the best option for a normal user. A pro rider doesn't care if his carbon bike brakes because he get a new one for free. A 450 gram weight difference between aluminium and carbon is really not so important. For me as a MTB rider is carbon really not interesting. If it hits any rock it is broken. In every video I saw it is always about road bikes. There is no video on UA-cam with DH bikes with the same topic. I saw one video a guy talking about more comfort on a trail carbon bike. Really??? You are actually sitting on a trail or a DH bike??? Carbon for DH or similar MTB is really just uninteresting.

    • @charliejeans2413
      @charliejeans2413 6 років тому

      Senchi just seal the alloy frame and fill it with helium. Dud dah 😎

  • @hurdit
    @hurdit 7 років тому

    Raoul is an engineer but more important speaks clear enough to understand his knowledge of subject. Please keep his passion and thoughts coming

  • @simonbennett6509
    @simonbennett6509 8 років тому

    Fantastic vid, your best yet.