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Lost all respect for this channel with your low IQ Ukranian lies. CIA overthrew the Ukrainian government, and NATO is 100% responsible for this war. This is coming from a proud, Ukrainian, And not some UA-cam fool
Calling all Afghan insurgent the Taliban is like calling all southern Americans the Klan. But either way, we have no right to criticize how Afghan insurgents fight when we're killing people from the safety of an Apache helicopter.
From the creators of "By God, sir, I've lost my leg" and "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today", comes the new passionate British understatement: "You could say we're in a spot of bother"
Doesn’t always work out so well. The Gloucestershire regiment getting overrun at the Imjin river in Korea was caused by the unit informing the UN (ie American) high command that their situation was ‘a bit sticky’. For a UK commander, that was parlance for ‘situation critical, we’re only just holding on’. But the American HQ had no idea of that, and reasoned (perfectly logically) that the Gloucester’s situation cannot have been that bad, or they would have said so. So no reinforcements or withdrawal orders were sent, and disaster ensued after a heroic but doomed defence. Heroic understatement isn’t always a clever idea!
@@greva2904 one of the booklets they gave americans in WW2 had an example that if a british ship says "could you give us a hand, we're in a spot of bother here" then get moving because that means they've ran into the entire german fleet. maybe they should hand it out again whenever they work with britain.
@@bigenglishmonkey or maybe the british should stop trying to be so cool and just communicate their situations clearly. if their own air support is misinterpreting their messages it's them that's doing something wrong.
@@oldfrend trying? its literally been british demeanour and attitude for hundreds of years. and last i checked the issue is americans taking every single thing said by everyone 100% literal. that booklet i mentioned, americans were given one for australia, france, ireland, italy, and every other country they would be in, because americans have trouble understanding others. the british, and australians weren't given one about the americans or eachother, same for canadians, new zealanders, etc.
Americans were issued those booklets because we were guests in the Commonwealth countries and the US Military was fighting through the others. I can assure you that if the UK was sending millions of servicemen to the USA to stage future operations and they valued that partnership, it would behoove their governmet to write up a little pamphlet to help said servicemen mind their manners. to@bigenglishmonkey
Completely fake, The Taliban uploaded a video of the attack and there was less then 20 Taliban fighters involved in the attack. Everyone else were civilians.
@@Matt-xc6sp It is, but it could be seen as poor communication. The US forces didn't necessarily get the subtext when British forces underplayed the severity of the threat like that and would assume that they were being serious. In this case even the British Apache crews weren't sure about the situation.
Keep in mind that if you've ever been to Britain you'd know that sunshine isn't something they normally get to see. So while bullets zipping around is bad, the sun almost makes up for it.
They did that the vast majority of the time from all the books and documentaries I have read and watched. If they weren't taking bribes to actively ignore the enemy they would just run away. There were a few exception, but not many. Most of the time they were lead by greedy officers who would pocket the money meant for training, paying soldiers, or helping fortify/ helping the community. I remember reading in many books that there was a trick they would use. An Afghan soldier would die or desert but the leader of the unit wouldn't report it and instead just pocket his pay when it came. This lead to units that were perpetually under strength also meaning they were fairly combat ineffective. The fucked up part to me is we actively helped these higher leadership Afghans flee their country instead of helping the Afghans who were actually good partners, because these good partners were still fighting while the corrupt ones were begging for seats on the flights to America.
We should've left after we got Osama. We weren't there to bring democracy (cause nobody there wanted it, except the women I guess, but nobody cared about them either), we were there for one man only. And after we got him, we stayed there for 10 more years for what?
We should've left after we got Osama. We weren't there to bring democracy (cause nobody there wanted it, except the women I guess, but nobody cared about them either), we were there for one man only. And after we got him, we stayed there for 10 more years for what?
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@@hillbilly4895The avg Afghan troop almost never got paid. Their superiors embezzled all the funds. Their logistics were non-existent, communications with the NATO troops were patchy at best. No wonder they melted away.
Its that people have to be "believers" in whatever it is they are fighting for. The ANA were nothing but cheap mercenaries fighting for personal self interest nothing more.
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- The Commando Corps was one of the few ANA units that stood and fought valiantly against the Taliban even in the face of a losing war. Some of those Commandos joined anti-Taliban groups such as the National Resistance Front and Afghan Freedom Front which are still hiding out in north and northeastern Afghanistan.
I'm not sure if this is feasible, but in infantry battles where the topography plays a significant role, it would be very informative to have some contour lines on the maps for reference. Great video!
I like this guy. Informative, calls it as it was with no loud yelling about anything. Also respectful of the servicemen. I think we can call "the operations room" a fine spot of reporting. Even up to his neck in details.
Your videos keep getting better. Still, in my opinion your 2 greatest videos of all time have to be “The Hardest Day” and “Desert Storm Air War Day 1”. I still go back now and then and watch those!
Oh, for me it's definitely his Black Hawk Down videos. Unbelievable. Most people don't even mention how 4 Black Hawks were actually hit but only 2 went down.
@@malcolm5514 About 15 mins after I watched “The Battle of Carentan”, I literally was scrolling through my TV and a Band of Brothers episode was on. I never really watched that show, but I decided to for a moment and I started to notice things happening exactly like in the Ops Room video I’d just seen. I started to shout out what was about to happen next. That show did a pretty good job of sticking to facts.
The Apache is truly a horrifying weapon of war. Imagine facing a machine that can see you in the dark, destroy the fortification you're taking cover in, and without skipping a beat pour several thousand rounds of ammo on you in just a matter of seconds.
When a group of British soldiers were very near to being over run in Korea , they described thier situation as " A bit sticky " leading the relief force to believe it wasn't bad .
As a sacrifice for the algorithm, I'd like to thank the ops room for showing us what actually happened in Afghanistan and Iraq. These conflicts from 20-30 years ago still shape the middle east and the wider world today. I'm so grateful for the ops room covering these events despite the difficult environment they are operating in ( no pun intended).
Another incredibly well made documentary. Thank you so very much for the great attention to detail and excellent animations. Telling stories that many people would have never heard of otherwise.
The Taliban willingly lost so many men trying to take out just a few troops. They were close enough that they must have known they were fighting a very small group, so I can only imagine their motivation came down to either sunk cost fallacy, or the propaganda victory of capturing 4 Coalition troops and sharing around photos of them, dead or alive, was considered worth the cost of tens of Taliban fighters.
This encounter is 1 of many in a book called 2 million bullets written by the O/C of the "Ugly" Apache squadron during their deployment, truly an epic read, start to finish
There's also the book "Apache" which was written by Ed Macy, another of the pilots in this squadron and goes specifically into this operation. Both are great reads.
The commitment of the apache's it's amazing! They risked being shot down by rpg or small arm fire just to not leave their comrades alone. The idea of using flares on low passes to try and set fire to the tree line shows how much they wanted to help despite everything
14:00 Main reason I don't like brigade combat teams. They're simply not large enough for real combat operations. These wars had low attritional rates, so it works. But I think we need to go back to the division as the most basic independent combat unit on the board.
Actual peer combat has shown large formations to be suicidal. Large groups get spotted by omnipresent UAS vehicles then killed by drone guided indirect fire. There’s footage of hundreds of Russians getting killed by single HIMARS strikes. Most assaults in Ukraine happen on the platoon level for this reason.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 Yeah, I know that's a concern. But I still firmly believe you can't win a war without large concentrations of men. We will simply have to improve our defensive tech to get rid of those drones and intercept artillery/rockets coming to hit them. You'd have to spread the units out, just like we always have. A division is guarding miles and miles of front line. So, they're spread out enough, for the most part. Doctrine will have to adapt, but these pathetic formations just aren't large enough to actually accomplish a mission. And they always talk about the idea of BCT being you can put them together for larger formations when needed, yet I don't recall ever really seeing that in Ukraine.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 NATO trained Ukrainian forces aren't even remotly close to the factual Battle Mastery the Alliance had perfected. If one could learn anything from Russo-Ukrainian War it would be not to learn anything from it for it's a failed regional empire cosplaying Iran-Iraq War to the bone.
I was always under the impression it was a bit of a shell game by the army, a way to claim they had a large number of combat brigades ready to go, but doing it by simply thinning out the numbers/BN under them.
I recall a similar thing happened with the movie 'A Bridge Too Far' wherein there's a scene of a British officer running across a street - in reality he walked but it was decided that people would see it as unrealistic
The ANA was utterly useless. Same thing happened at Outpost Keating, the ANA broke and ran almost immediately abandoning their two Latvian advisors and forcing them to hold their position on their own (thankfully both Latvians ended up surviving)
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I liked Ed Macy’s book on his time in Afghanistan. I always giggle at the thought of them trying to flush the SAM system out only to learn that a random Harrier had been flying back from a mission, saw the SAM being packed up, and gave someone a brand new swimming pool in their backyard.
@abdennourO-p3z Why wasn't the Taliban defeated? Well there's a simple reason for this: they were cowards. The Taliban hid behind women and children, they pretended to be civilians because the rules of engagement were strict. All you have to do is look at ODS to realise that NATO is built for conventional conflict, the Iraqi army stood no chance. In Afghanistan NATO troops suppressed the Taliban and prevented them from taking control. There's only so much you can do against an insurgency when you restrict yourselves but you have to restrict yourselves to avoid causing damage to civilians.
Seems like yesterday when I watched your first video, when you had barely a few thousand subs. Now it's 5 years old and you have over a million subscribers. Well deserved success.
Everybody gangsta until the Apache Longbow shows up. Its amazing that they were reduced to dropping flares after they had expended all the ammunition. If that doesn't show how serious a 'spot of bother' those boys were in nothing will
It is amazing the number of modern engagements that go "black" on ammo. The recent vid by Ops Room on Baghdad's "Thunder Run" by 3rd ID didn't specifically mention it, but many of the tanks and Bradleys ran out of main gun anti-personnel rounds and even most machinegun ammo during the drive to the airport. Some crew were reduced to popping shots with their personal weapons from the turret.
@@MM22966 I guess it mainly comes from the fighting style, how do you win a firefight? By putting more rounds down range than the enemy has and then manoeuvring onto them. So much of the doctrine used in the west especially is ammunition intensive, for example how do you start an ambush? How do you react to contact? It's all about putting as many rounds onto the target as possible to stop them from moving. Movement wins battles but firepower is a massive influence on movement.
@@poseidon808 I wonder. If you look at the US Army's new rifle, the M7, it is a large, heavy distance shooter with a very good optic, almost a DMR per soldier. Which means less suppress and more single-shot/single-kill, in theory. I am not sure they have made the right choice, but I am not sure they haven't, based on footage from Ukraine.
@@MM22966 The M7 was designed from the lessons learned in Afghanistan where long distance engagements were the standard. It is generally preferable to shoot targets you can see rather than suppressing around them. The main situation where you would want to have a carbine is the jungle where the fighting is close quarters. Otherwise the switch to a more accurate less suppressive system could be an excellent idea, time will tell
Eyyy Yeovil! I used to live in a house on a hill overlooking the Westlands airfield back when they were building and testing these. I would always look out the window when I could hear something in the air. Crazy to see where they went and what they ended up doing...
Props to the Brits for not changing the names of the American-designed helicopters. A machine as fierce as an Apache deserves the equally legendary name, one of America's toughest native peoples. Also nice to see the Harrier II show up and get some.
I am currently reading a book by one of the pilots from this incident. It's definitely worth a read (or listen as it's an audiobook on Spotify). It's called Apache at War: Flying Word' deadliest attack helicopter in combat. This video brilliantly supplements the first hand account from the book. Great work!
Wow the dangerously close engagement of the Appaches and their desire to help their troops as much as they can is . Even using their flares when running out of ammos instead of leaving.
Would absolutely love to see one of these about the battle of CIMIC house in Iraq. I was lucky enough to meet the sergeant major from that battle last year who told me to read Dan Mills’ book Sniper One, absolutely unreal story
Such great detail of movement and battle. Love the complexity of the battlefield and how you show everything that happens....Not sure why they walked across the wheatfield in plain view of buildings.....
One of fates many marvels that a unit with lineage back to rokes drift names a bridge after the battle, only for a smaller (but nonless vicious) edition of said battle to play out within the same operation ...
Fantastic detailed account Operations Room! We need a video on Operation Glacier, 2007. Also involving Apaches but on this occasion they were strapped to a few Royal Marines… Let us not forget those that sacrificed, despite what the country has now become (both).
I enjoy hearing about these battles that took place in Afghanistan and Iraq and hearing about the gallantry of my countries military, tge US military, and our allies, the British, as well as others. It gives us a glimpse into what modern warriors face on today's battlefield. Good video, sir.
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Lost all respect for this channel with your low IQ Ukranian lies. CIA overthrew the Ukrainian government, and NATO is 100% responsible for this war. This is coming from a proud, Ukrainian, And not some UA-cam fool
Noticed you guys took down your Ukraine videos.
@@Jpecks19 unlisted as the fundraiser has now closed
@@TheOperationsRoom Ok... BTW this id reminds me of the other vid- ua-cam.com/video/QSEX-c2W2yc/v-deo.html
Calling all Afghan insurgent the Taliban is like calling all southern Americans the Klan. But either way, we have no right to criticize how Afghan insurgents fight when we're killing people from the safety of an Apache helicopter.
From the creators of "By God, sir, I've lost my leg" and "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today", comes the new passionate British understatement: "You could say we're in a spot of bother"
Doesn’t always work out so well. The Gloucestershire regiment getting overrun at the Imjin river in Korea was caused by the unit informing the UN (ie American) high command that their situation was ‘a bit sticky’. For a UK commander, that was parlance for ‘situation critical, we’re only just holding on’. But the American HQ had no idea of that, and reasoned (perfectly logically) that the Gloucester’s situation cannot have been that bad, or they would have said so. So no reinforcements or withdrawal orders were sent, and disaster ensued after a heroic but doomed defence. Heroic understatement isn’t always a clever idea!
@@greva2904 one of the booklets they gave americans in WW2 had an example that if a british ship says "could you give us a hand, we're in a spot of bother here" then get moving because that means they've ran into the entire german fleet.
maybe they should hand it out again whenever they work with britain.
@@bigenglishmonkey or maybe the british should stop trying to be so cool and just communicate their situations clearly. if their own air support is misinterpreting their messages it's them that's doing something wrong.
@@oldfrend trying?
its literally been british demeanour and attitude for hundreds of years.
and last i checked the issue is americans taking every single thing said by everyone 100% literal.
that booklet i mentioned, americans were given one for australia, france, ireland, italy, and every other country they would be in, because americans have trouble understanding others.
the british, and australians weren't given one about the americans or eachother, same for canadians, new zealanders, etc.
Americans were issued those booklets because we were guests in the Commonwealth countries and the US Military was fighting through the others. I can assure you that if the UK was sending millions of servicemen to the USA to stage future operations and they valued that partnership, it would behoove their governmet to write up a little pamphlet to help said servicemen mind their manners. to@bigenglishmonkey
18:58 "Well, you could say we're in a spot of bother" is a fine example of British understatement
Always look on the bright side of life.
Completely fake, The Taliban uploaded a video of the attack and there was less then 20 Taliban fighters involved in the attack. Everyone else were civilians.
It's a bit sticky.
19:15 “Other than that. The sun is shining and it’s a great day”. Most Goated response i’ve ever heard
Aggressively British
@@Matt-xc6sp It is, but it could be seen as poor communication. The US forces didn't necessarily get the subtext when British forces underplayed the severity of the threat like that and would assume that they were being serious. In this case even the British Apache crews weren't sure about the situation.
I think that spot report warrants a CGC
you gotta love the brits..
Keep in mind that if you've ever been to Britain you'd know that sunshine isn't something they normally get to see. So while bullets zipping around is bad, the sun almost makes up for it.
Those Apache pilots used every piece of kit on their attack helicopter's to make sure those 4 dudes had every bit of support they could offer
Using flares offensively tells me enough about how desparate that situation was
"Up to our bollocks in water. Other than that, The sun's shining and it's a great day." This is the most British attitude to war and danger.
lookat their history: full of war and conquest. it's in their subhuman behaviour to wage war
"Up to our bollocks in wattuuhh"
@@techguy6241 we dont all talk like that old chap
i mean, when your empire was built on invading and stealing foreign land, yeah they'd be pretty used to it.
just like russia.
@@TonySpike yeah you do
The ANA ran away at the first sign of conflict. Major foreshadowing.
Great video!
rANAway
Underpaid illiterate conscripts who likely have family members in both sides.
They did that the vast majority of the time from all the books and documentaries I have read and watched. If they weren't taking bribes to actively ignore the enemy they would just run away. There were a few exception, but not many. Most of the time they were lead by greedy officers who would pocket the money meant for training, paying soldiers, or helping fortify/ helping the community. I remember reading in many books that there was a trick they would use. An Afghan soldier would die or desert but the leader of the unit wouldn't report it and instead just pocket his pay when it came. This lead to units that were perpetually under strength also meaning they were fairly combat ineffective. The fucked up part to me is we actively helped these higher leadership Afghans flee their country instead of helping the Afghans who were actually good partners, because these good partners were still fighting while the corrupt ones were begging for seats on the flights to America.
We should've left after we got Osama. We weren't there to bring democracy (cause nobody there wanted it, except the women I guess, but nobody cared about them either), we were there for one man only. And after we got him, we stayed there for 10 more years for what?
We should've left after we got Osama. We weren't there to bring democracy (cause nobody there wanted it, except the women I guess, but nobody cared about them either), we were there for one man only. And after we got him, we stayed there for 10 more years for what?
You know you’re getting old when ops you were part of are now classed as “historic documentation” 😢
Where you actually there? If so how was it?
@@327efrainI’m assuming he means he was alive when this happened
@@327efrain I would suggest " A bit sticky"
@@Germain-ys8zz I don't think so. He said he was a part of the ops.
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@@jonthinks6238 Hmm that is interesting. That is something that I can do! These videos are amazing.
Think I have watched your whole catalogue.
Now a patreon supporter.
I'll hit the like button, but leaving a comment is a bit too much for me.
15:50, and that's how the Taliban took the country back in a few days. The Afghan forces were a disgrace.
but took the money, right?
The worst part is that the AFA even had their own special forces unit set up and they still ran when the Taliban took back Afghanistan
@@hillbilly4895The avg Afghan troop almost never got paid. Their superiors embezzled all the funds. Their logistics were non-existent, communications with the NATO troops were patchy at best. No wonder they melted away.
Its that people have to be "believers" in whatever it is they are fighting for. The ANA were nothing but cheap mercenaries fighting for personal self interest nothing more.
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- The Commando Corps was one of the few ANA units that stood and fought valiantly against the Taliban even in the face of a losing war. Some of those Commandos joined anti-Taliban groups such as the National Resistance Front and Afghan Freedom Front which are still hiding out in north and northeastern Afghanistan.
I'm not sure if this is feasible, but in infantry battles where the topography plays a significant role, it would be very informative to have some contour lines on the maps for reference. Great video!
this, hopefully operations room sees this
It was flat
Color gradation works better than topo lines for this sort of thing. Unless you are colorblind. On this small of a scale though, it is impractical.
I like this guy. Informative, calls it as it was with no loud yelling about anything. Also respectful of the servicemen.
I think we can call "the operations room" a fine spot of reporting. Even up to his neck in details.
Thank you sir
@@TheOperationsRoom you are welcome sir, but that music was bloody awful. The rest good, but I thought I had landed in hillbilly heaven for a while.
One might even say up to his bollocks in detail.
@@Henkibojj glad I wasn't the only person thinking that!
Your videos keep getting better. Still, in my opinion your 2 greatest videos of all time have to be “The Hardest Day” and “Desert Storm Air War Day 1”. I still go back now and then and watch those!
Linebacker 2 is still my favorite .
@@mrwdpkr5851 Great one as well. I also love the spoof ones with the Hunt for Red October and the Top Gun ending battle.
Oh, for me it's definitely his Black Hawk Down videos. Unbelievable. Most people don't even mention how 4 Black Hawks were actually hit but only 2 went down.
@@malcolm5514 About 15 mins after I watched “The Battle of Carentan”, I literally was scrolling through my TV and a Band of Brothers episode was on. I never really watched that show, but I decided to for a moment and I started to notice things happening exactly like in the Ops Room video I’d just seen. I started to shout out what was about to happen next. That show did a pretty good job of sticking to facts.
@@ScottySundownyeah. Band of Brothers is very historically accurate except for a few mistakes
Medal of honor apache mission vibes ngl
Ranger mission
Thats cuz it was based on this exact story
That was such a bad mission.
Flying 3 ft off the ground to shoot a technical that is within 100 yards.
'Murica baby
Please never comment on the internet again you GenZ loser
This is a shocking amount of Freedom from a country with Universal Healthcare.
😅
TBF,the NHS sucks.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 Better than American healthcare.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 But at least you don’t have a bill to pay. Americans even pay for the ambulance journey to hospital and pay to give birth.
In Britain, everyone pays for your trip to the hospital.
The Apache is truly a horrifying weapon of war. Imagine facing a machine that can see you in the dark, destroy the fortification you're taking cover in, and without skipping a beat pour several thousand rounds of ammo on you in just a matter of seconds.
Equally terrifying are MANPADS if you’re the pilot
I think the Apache carries about 250 rounds of gun ammo, not thousands.
@@bryonslatten3147the apache carries around 1200 iirc
Well up to 1200 atleast
Though it might be limited by other factors I'm not too experienced about.
@@bryonslatten3147the Apache carries 1200 rounds of 30mm ammunition
When a group of British soldiers were very near to being over run in Korea , they described thier situation as " A bit sticky " leading the relief force to believe it wasn't bad .
The Glorious Glosters I take it.
It's wonderful to see you covering British stuff again. Often so underappreciated.
4 Soldiers 2 Apaches and a Harrier. Come on now the cavalry got there in the end.
Not to mention the vehicles that drove them back, as the suspension must have been strained by the weight of their balls.
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As a sacrifice for the algorithm, I'd like to thank the ops room for showing us what actually happened in Afghanistan and Iraq. These conflicts from 20-30 years ago still shape the middle east and the wider world today. I'm so grateful for the ops room covering these events despite the difficult environment they are operating in ( no pun intended).
Another incredibly well made documentary. Thank you so very much for the great attention to detail and excellent animations. Telling stories that many people would have never heard of otherwise.
The Taliban willingly lost so many men trying to take out just a few troops. They were close enough that they must have known they were fighting a very small group, so I can only imagine their motivation came down to either sunk cost fallacy, or the propaganda victory of capturing 4 Coalition troops and sharing around photos of them, dead or alive, was considered worth the cost of tens of Taliban fighters.
Many of them were probably from the area, too. So a degree of "fighting the invader" was also at work.
@abdennourO-p3z Sorry, I forgot that things aren't true if you don't like them.
@@small-evilhistory speaks for itself
The Royal Welsh trace their lineage to Rorkes Drift... British Units are so fucking cool
great spelling mate
MatthewZiegler: Welsh*
@StevenKeery Thanks, dude. I fixed it. Zulu was my favorite movie, when I was a kid
*Rorke's Drift
@@MatthewZiegler You had it right the first time, it's Welch. Google it
This encounter is 1 of many in a book called 2 million bullets written by the O/C of the "Ugly" Apache squadron during their deployment, truly an epic read, start to finish
Actual title: "A Million Bullets: The Real Story of the British Army in Afghanistan"
Need to give that a go. I loved Ed Macey's book his experience as an Ugly classign.
There's also the book "Apache" which was written by Ed Macy, another of the pilots in this squadron and goes specifically into this operation. Both are great reads.
The commitment of the apache's it's amazing! They risked being shot down by rpg or small arm fire just to not leave their comrades alone. The idea of using flares on low passes to try and set fire to the tree line shows how much they wanted to help despite everything
14:00 Main reason I don't like brigade combat teams. They're simply not large enough for real combat operations. These wars had low attritional rates, so it works. But I think we need to go back to the division as the most basic independent combat unit on the board.
Actual peer combat has shown large formations to be suicidal. Large groups get spotted by omnipresent UAS vehicles then killed by drone guided indirect fire. There’s footage of hundreds of Russians getting killed by single HIMARS strikes. Most assaults in Ukraine happen on the platoon level for this reason.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 Yeah, I know that's a concern. But I still firmly believe you can't win a war without large concentrations of men. We will simply have to improve our defensive tech to get rid of those drones and intercept artillery/rockets coming to hit them. You'd have to spread the units out, just like we always have. A division is guarding miles and miles of front line. So, they're spread out enough, for the most part. Doctrine will have to adapt, but these pathetic formations just aren't large enough to actually accomplish a mission. And they always talk about the idea of BCT being you can put them together for larger formations when needed, yet I don't recall ever really seeing that in Ukraine.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 NATO trained Ukrainian forces aren't even remotly close to the factual Battle Mastery the Alliance had perfected. If one could learn anything from Russo-Ukrainian War it would be not to learn anything from it for it's a failed regional empire cosplaying Iran-Iraq War to the bone.
@@jonny-b4954lack of manpower and the highly specific needs and jobs of the army make that really hard.
I was always under the impression it was a bit of a shell game by the army, a way to claim they had a large number of combat brigades ready to go, but doing it by simply thinning out the numbers/BN under them.
There is something good about having these more modern fights highlighted and the people who where there leaving comments freely for posterity.
If this was a movie people would say it would be too unrealistic
I recall a similar thing happened with the movie 'A Bridge Too Far' wherein there's a scene of a British officer running across a street - in reality he walked but it was decided that people would see it as unrealistic
The animations have got so good. Incredibly engaging
Amazing video as always!
Never clicked on a Op's room new video so fast!
The ANA was utterly useless. Same thing happened at Outpost Keating, the ANA broke and ran almost immediately abandoning their two Latvian advisors and forcing them to hold their position on their own (thankfully both Latvians ended up surviving)
Imagine Afghans fighting Latvians with Latvians
It's no surprise; the ANA and police were 90%+ corrupt and effectively an extension of Taliban.
Thanks to you and your team for making such high quality content, and posting it for free.
Good lord. This channel just keeps getting better and better.
It’s crazy that anyone thought ANA is gonna survive coalition leaving Afghanistan
Yeah, the ANA were notoriously unreliable even when the coalition was there
@poseidon808 70% of them were probably Taliban fighters getting free coalition training and equipment.
Animation clarity and detail has gone through the roof mate. cheers
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Continued success into the new year ops! We genuinely appreciate you!!)
I remember when he was at 1k in 2020 dude legit created a media powerhouse
My country's regiment taking centre stage in an ops room video? Hell yeah
A country of 3 million people having only one regular infantry battalion is a joke. The government have destroyed the British Army
Always love the video and have for years; was happily surprised when we watched a few of your videos in my geospatial engineering ait class recently.
As always, the ANA bravely followed the enemy bullets.
Great simulation of a historical event. It's one of the best channels about military history.
Thanks again to The Operations Room for making these fantastic video.
I love how the Apache guys are like, "wait a minute..........Widow 5-7 might be underselling his predicament."
I liked Ed Macy’s book on his time in Afghanistan. I always giggle at the thought of them trying to flush the SAM system out only to learn that a random Harrier had been flying back from a mission, saw the SAM being packed up, and gave someone a brand new swimming pool in their backyard.
More info on this? What kind of SAM? I have almost never heard of the Taliban using anything, even (strangely) MANPADS.
This video is a great example of the reason why the Afghan army lost Afghanistan in a matter of months to the Taliban.
All the gear, but no idea.
@abdennourO-p3z none of what you said is even close to being true.
@abdennourO-p3z Why wasn't the Taliban defeated? Well there's a simple reason for this: they were cowards. The Taliban hid behind women and children, they pretended to be civilians because the rules of engagement were strict. All you have to do is look at ODS to realise that NATO is built for conventional conflict, the Iraqi army stood no chance. In Afghanistan NATO troops suppressed the Taliban and prevented them from taking control. There's only so much you can do against an insurgency when you restrict yourselves but you have to restrict yourselves to avoid causing damage to civilians.
@@poseidon808it doesn’t help when most of the occupying population hates you.
Seems like yesterday when I watched your first video, when you had barely a few thousand subs. Now it's 5 years old and you have over a million subscribers. Well deserved success.
I was just thinking the same thing!!! It is insane!
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Best historical combat videos and they keep getting better.
Really appreciate the effort and detail that goes into making these documentaries
would love to see a series on the largest battle ever fought - the operation barbarossa siege on stalingrad!
Amazing video as always. Thank you
Everybody gangsta until the Apache Longbow shows up. Its amazing that they were reduced to dropping flares after they had expended all the ammunition. If that doesn't show how serious a 'spot of bother' those boys were in nothing will
It is amazing the number of modern engagements that go "black" on ammo. The recent vid by Ops Room on Baghdad's "Thunder Run" by 3rd ID didn't specifically mention it, but many of the tanks and Bradleys ran out of main gun anti-personnel rounds and even most machinegun ammo during the drive to the airport. Some crew were reduced to popping shots with their personal weapons from the turret.
@@MM22966 I guess it mainly comes from the fighting style, how do you win a firefight? By putting more rounds down range than the enemy has and then manoeuvring onto them. So much of the doctrine used in the west especially is ammunition intensive, for example how do you start an ambush? How do you react to contact? It's all about putting as many rounds onto the target as possible to stop them from moving. Movement wins battles but firepower is a massive influence on movement.
@@poseidon808 I wonder. If you look at the US Army's new rifle, the M7, it is a large, heavy distance shooter with a very good optic, almost a DMR per soldier. Which means less suppress and more single-shot/single-kill, in theory.
I am not sure they have made the right choice, but I am not sure they haven't, based on footage from Ukraine.
@@MM22966 The M7 was designed from the lessons learned in Afghanistan where long distance engagements were the standard. It is generally preferable to shoot targets you can see rather than suppressing around them.
The main situation where you would want to have a carbine is the jungle where the fighting is close quarters. Otherwise the switch to a more accurate less suppressive system could be an excellent idea, time will tell
@@poseidon808 I'm having flashbacks to Vietnam and the M14, and I wasn't even in that war.
"the Afghan Army have all run away:" - that brings back memories.
leaving a comment for the algorithm. You make excellent videos and it's been a pleasure to watch them all for years
The absolute BALLS on that FAC! He's a credit to the British Army. What a badass!
"but other than that the sun is shining and it is a beautiful day" What an absolute legend
Eyyy Yeovil! I used to live in a house on a hill overlooking the Westlands airfield back when they were building and testing these. I would always look out the window when I could hear something in the air. Crazy to see where they went and what they ended up doing...
I'm hoping to see a video on the Canadians battle at the White Schoolhouse and Operation Medusa in 2006.
Unbelievable. Amazing. Always great content.❤
Another Amazing video! Such brilliant graphics and storytelling. Thank you!
Props to the Brits for not changing the names of the American-designed helicopters. A machine as fierce as an Apache deserves the equally legendary name, one of America's toughest native peoples. Also nice to see the Harrier II show up and get some.
Another excellent video by The Operations Room. Thank you
Another sublime production. Thank you.
Infantry may win the battle, but artillery and air power always rules the field.
The artillery conquers, the infantry occupy
Infantry are the Queen Of Battle.
Artillery is the King
What do Kings do to Queens?
Dude that British understatement. I dont know how to call it - valour, courage or mental ilness.
Probbably all of the above.
8:15 the missile didn't knew where it was, and went to ask some friendlies for directions.
One of your best videos yet, and I've watched them all
Great work and in depth explanation... I don't know how you get this Intel...but it's awesome!!! 😎😎😎
I am currently reading a book by one of the pilots from this incident. It's definitely worth a read (or listen as it's an audiobook on Spotify). It's called Apache at War: Flying Word' deadliest attack helicopter in combat.
This video brilliantly supplements the first hand account from the book. Great work!
Fantastic work! Great narration and I love the animations.❤
I remember hearing about this in the news. It sounded like something out of a movie really
As usual another magnificent presentation
Wow the dangerously close engagement of the Appaches and their desire to help their troops as much as they can is . Even using their flares when running out of ammos instead of leaving.
Amazing video as always
Interesting and informative video. Thanks for your hard work. 👍😊
The animation quality never fails.
Great video! Really like how the animation and narration work together!
Classic British understatement.
Apparently it caused issues in the Korean war as well.
At the toilet and this 25 min gem pops up, life is good
Don't get hemorrhoids
"Were in a spot of bother" man has ice cold water running through his veins please brits never change your humor😂
these documentaries keep getting better and better
And some foreigners think the guards are only ceremonial.
Thank you
Would absolutely love to see one of these about the battle of CIMIC house in Iraq. I was lucky enough to meet the sergeant major from that battle last year who told me to read Dan Mills’ book Sniper One, absolutely unreal story
Great content...as always !!
Such great detail of movement and battle. Love the complexity of the battlefield and how you show everything that happens....Not sure why they walked across the wheatfield in plain view of buildings.....
One of fates many marvels that a unit with lineage back to rokes drift names a bridge after the battle, only for a smaller (but nonless vicious) edition of said battle to play out within the same operation ...
Love this channel!
animation looks amazing, great work
Fantastic detailed account Operations Room!
We need a video on Operation Glacier, 2007. Also involving Apaches but on this occasion they were strapped to a few Royal Marines…
Let us not forget those that sacrificed, despite what the country has now become (both).
5:15 "The villagers are nowhere to be found"
5:30 "We found the villagers!"
Thought this was going to be Jugroom Fort when I first clicked on it. Another fine run down of ops though!
Thanks for sharing this amazing story
The best channel
Fantastic telling of the British & Afgan mission.
I enjoy hearing about these battles that took place in Afghanistan and Iraq and hearing about the gallantry of my countries military, tge US military, and our allies, the British, as well as others. It gives us a glimpse into what modern warriors face on today's battlefield. Good video, sir.
Too bad Trump undid everything they fought for.
@bravediomedes217 i think you mean biden. Remember the airport and the 13 dead services personnel. Despicable operation.
@@bravediomedes217 They shouldn't be there.
What a crazy fight this was. Nice video.
Widow 7-5 such a badass.
great content as usual