I never really used it because I had good trigger discipline and would tap fire instead of just fully auto but I had no problem with it existing either 🤷♂️
5:13 i think jynxzis grenade idea makes sense, if you get a nade from below/ through wall you won’t fully die you’ll take half the damage that way we can cook nades and still survive them
@@The_voices_are_getting_louder_ Not wanting to brag, but I got more than one grenade kill since the rework. Had to, because I never got the 25 frag grenade achievement before so I've been spamming the dogshit out of it now and I'm like 10 kills off the achievement? Typically you'll be using it either as a finisher (down someone and grenade, which is kinda BM imo I got some shit in all chat for doing that when it was nothing personal lmao 😂), to deny run outs especially in 1v5 when the enemy team gets kill hungry and wants to finish you off ASAP (claymores are better for this though, you don't need to time it like a frag grenade you set and forget it), to flush out anchors, zoning, taking space, give Clash a hard time because cornered with both frags thrown is gg for her, or you combine it with a loss of sight gadget, like say a teammate's smoke grenades or a Sens ROU. It's a bit easier this season because of all the bugs, sometimes, just sometimes the warning indicator for frag grenades or Thorn's traps won't show so all you have is sound to react of and higher chance of dying. VERY annoying when that happens but I've been abusing that for the achievement since they nerfed it into the ground so 😛 I remember a post plant situation on Kitchen Dining in Oregon, planted at kitchen door to meeting hallway, threw ROUs at defuser while throwing one at meeting entrance as contingency to obfuscate flanks and got a grenade kill in the ROU glows area at defuser. It's possible to get kills but you have to force it so much to happen you're better off running anything else tbh and keeping frags for destroying utility (like deployable shields). Smokes for plant/denying vision, flashbang for entry/setting up kills, claymore to deny flanks/run outs, EMP if you don't have a Thatcher to help clear the wall. Yet defenders are allowed NITRO to throw & detonate at will 🙄 including through surfaces LOL
Frag grenades were just stupid pre-rework. Nades from below and nades from Narnia just to explode at your feet in nanoseconds was unfair. That was a needed change.
Are you sure? I started Y4S2 right after outback came out and i remember doing runouts with the 5 second timer and being sad it went away because i loved (and still love) spawnpeeking
Blud the whole point of withstanding was to give you a chance to win a round you shouldn’t have. Pro players whined when it actually work so they removed it. 😢
The grenade cooking and select fire were such stupid things to take away. It doesn’t make sense to just chuck a grenade giving all the time in the world to move from it. It’s supposed to be given shorter time. And the range on it is 3’. It’s only use is gadget clearing if they don’t have a Jaeger. The select fire, how is that being exploited? It’s a gun. It’s supposed to give you versatility in situations from long range to close range.
You were also able to see how many damages you did or received in the top right corner of your screen when ypu were dead (and maybe who or what did the damage but I don't really remember)
I just wish this game stayed the way it did in 2014 - 2016 I literally missed being able to blow open the floor/roof and there not being random metal bars, I miss changing fire-rate, I miss tachanka deployable shield, I miss OG house, I miss so much
I don't think things being overpowered is necessarily a bad thing. I would argue that some of these things made the game more fun and helped to bring more players in
I'm so glad I was able to try out all of these stuff before they were gone. You also forgot to mention the fact you could throw back grenades if they landed close enough!!
You used to be able to run outside during prep phase and you could be behind the attackers or throw down a c4 so when they spawned in you’d win automatically
I remember you used to be able to throw grenades back. Also when the game was brand new, you could run out of the building during the prep phase. One of my first games ever a kapkan got an ace with a nitro cell cuz he guessed our spawn and sat there waiting for us
Honestly all i learned from this video is that it is pro league’s fault for why siege isn’t as good as it could be (I joined in season 7 so i missed out on old siege)
If you’re going to say that you can’t counter grenades (except with Jaeger), you should mention how you can’t counter Kali/Glaz on Plane except with Azami. But with the rework, she’s not even effective. (But if Plane isn’t in Ranked, it doesn’t matter because the game only matters for Ranked, apparently.)
I don't want to bring it up but I will. Zofia withstand fit into her lore nicely. Just read her bio and that should be enough. one last thing, I never saw her gadget to be strong considering the fact it barely happened and when it did it was good until it wasn't .
New tachanka is better than old by far. He’s new ability sucks yes but it if did more damage it would be crazy. He still has his lmg but now he can be mobile with it. The rework is so much better just needs more fire damage
I think for the most part it was Alpha footage from Siege or really old Siege footage. The game just went down another way, but if you wanna play something that actually resembles the main idea of Siege at the beginning you can try playing Ready or Not.
I would be fine if they took away Zofia's passive, if, IF, they hadn't nerfed her gadget and weapon ANNND, given her high fat loads, just give me back my old Zofia without the passive, I can only play Ash ( for now) and Buck
I don't know if you've handled explosives, let alone be in the vicinity of a frag grenade exploding, but cooking a grenade definitely isn't something you'd do. Let's just say that it's a very quick and easy way to meet Jesus
i mean if you want to try and cook a frag grenade perfectly to explode on impact be my guest but me personally i think ill just pull the pin and lob it. i dont think it would be advisable to hold a frag guesstimating the fuze time when they'll most likely kill you when held an arms length away
I mean, do you genuinely think people cook nades like that in real life? Homie really be thinking we killed bin laden with a floor nade because he was playing a default in oregon dorms.
I hate the grenade one so much because you still need to get 10 kills with grenades for the platinum I have every trophy but not a single grenade kill and I was doing TDM for like 2 months straight just chucking grenades across the map or even downing someone and throwing it at them too but that doesn't work
4:10 Realistic? Do you know how a grenade works Realistic is when it doesn't explode in your hand if you hold it too long Because it has a lever that causes the nade to start detonation and as long as you hold it tight it won't go boom
yes it was a former rainbow op a female greek sniper (cant remember name) most people think she is going to be the season 3 op especially due to the comic
@@LawrenceBlade Kures Galanos, I found it, although I'll say, as a Greek, I have no idea what Kures is supposed to be, and Galanos is a male last name. Ubi didn't ask.
T-Hunt was such a Wonderful mode but once they got rid of Bombers, the C4 Rooms it just became worse. Ubisoft only goes after the Money and the Opinion Hunting Morons called Streamers and E-Sport players.
It was stupid taking away the 1.5 because in a real gunfight people are gonna have all kind of stuff. Even the same things you have. So taking it away made no sense.
@@SanderVaartnou-xk1vf making the game desirable for everyone is impossible, people don’t want the 1.5 on every gun, golds and below are begging for it on every gun, some wanted warden nerf some didn’t personally i think the game is balanced and fine, the only thing harming the game i’d say is cheating because how are you having a cheating problem on console and pc for 8 years straight 🤦♂️
You'd be surprised how powerful it is to have 2 secondary gadgets. People are saying that striker on attack is really powerful right now. I mean the fact that they banned it in pro league speaks volumes
The select fire was definitely better. It seems like whenever they take something good away it’s because some streamers cried about it.
Cough cough bikinibodi
Or most people who actually used select fire abused them using macros.
I never really used it because I had good trigger discipline and would tap fire instead of just fully auto but I had no problem with it existing either 🤷♂️
@@TheLogicalBeast taps are better for recoil though. In my opinion. I loved it!
@@anniein-eq4st idk what that is.
5:13 i think jynxzis grenade idea makes sense, if you get a nade from below/ through wall you won’t fully die you’ll take half the damage that way we can cook nades and still survive them
@@The_voices_are_getting_louder_ Not wanting to brag, but I got more than one grenade kill since the rework. Had to, because I never got the 25 frag grenade achievement before so I've been spamming the dogshit out of it now and I'm like 10 kills off the achievement?
Typically you'll be using it either as a finisher (down someone and grenade, which is kinda BM imo I got some shit in all chat for doing that when it was nothing personal lmao 😂), to deny run outs especially in 1v5 when the enemy team gets kill hungry and wants to finish you off ASAP (claymores are better for this though, you don't need to time it like a frag grenade you set and forget it), to flush out anchors, zoning, taking space, give Clash a hard time because cornered with both frags thrown is gg for her, or you combine it with a loss of sight gadget, like say a teammate's smoke grenades or a Sens ROU. It's a bit easier this season because of all the bugs, sometimes, just sometimes the warning indicator for frag grenades or Thorn's traps won't show so all you have is sound to react of and higher chance of dying. VERY annoying when that happens but I've been abusing that for the achievement since they nerfed it into the ground so 😛
I remember a post plant situation on Kitchen Dining in Oregon, planted at kitchen door to meeting hallway, threw ROUs at defuser while throwing one at meeting entrance as contingency to obfuscate flanks and got a grenade kill in the ROU glows area at defuser. It's possible to get kills but you have to force it so much to happen you're better off running anything else tbh and keeping frags for destroying utility (like deployable shields). Smokes for plant/denying vision, flashbang for entry/setting up kills, claymore to deny flanks/run outs, EMP if you don't have a Thatcher to help clear the wall. Yet defenders are allowed NITRO to throw & detonate at will 🙄 including through surfaces LOL
@@The_voices_are_getting_louder_ Skill issue
@@TheLogicalBeast yea i avg like 1-2 nade kills per game or the nade helps me get kills cause they always freak out
Frag grenades were just stupid pre-rework. Nades from below and nades from Narnia just to explode at your feet in nanoseconds was unfair. That was a needed change.
@@krimson1958 it’s realistic, don’t wanna get naded? don’t stand still 🤷♂️
Mute actually got his smg-11 after they removed smg-11 acog
Rip Sledge's smg-11
@@charliebowles9456 i know I used to be a sledge main
@@JaxsonAmyotte I'm sorry, they've basically done everything to make him less appealing
@@charliebowles9456 I know I barely see anyone play sledge anymore it really sucks because he is iconic being one of the first operators.
@@JaxsonAmyotte One of the first, but also a good choice on any round
im a nostalgia whore for old siege, if they were able to make a playlist with old mechanics id only play that
Didnt ask
Lol the zofia withstand wasnt that broken. Odds of actually getting the withstand of was slim to none
Not to mention Rook is literally a better version of it (and defenders usually have more cover than attack)
Remember when glaze did the same damm age as Kali but still was under picked
In an old version of Thunt ops used to have voice lines with each other I saw a clip of it I loved it it gave the characters well character:(
Back In my day thunderbird had c4 and impacts😔
back in my day t bird wasn’t an op
Back in my day you could pick up nades and throw them back at the enemy. T-bird is a fairly new op
The defuse animation was the most nostalgic thing on this list for me. Its been so long I completely forgot it used to be different
I remember always meleeing something to bait people in thinking I was defusing.
Siege needs to make a good single player experience where you actually fight terrorists
my guy there is, play r6 vegas and vegas 2
bro i was stressing sm trying to rescue a hostage on the nightmare difficulty or whatever it was called. I wanted to get it for the ps4 trophy 😭
The 5 second timer was gone by the time outback came
Are you sure? I started Y4S2 right after outback came out and i remember doing runouts with the 5 second timer and being sad it went away because i loved (and still love) spawnpeeking
@@frog3277 it was 3 or 4 seconds but not 5, the runout timer was changed twice
@frog3277 Outback was added in Y4S1 and it was the first time I played r6 and I don't remember experiencing the 5 second run out timer
7:18 the stab swiping across is more realistic
The biggest thing I hate that they removed was T hunt, it was an important part of the game
Blud the whole point of withstanding was to give you a chance to win a round you shouldn’t have. Pro players whined when it actually work so they removed it. 😢
The grenade cooking and select fire were such stupid things to take away. It doesn’t make sense to just chuck a grenade giving all the time in the world to move from it. It’s supposed to be given shorter time. And the range on it is 3’. It’s only use is gadget clearing if they don’t have a Jaeger. The select fire, how is that being exploited? It’s a gun. It’s supposed to give you versatility in situations from long range to close range.
They also removed the thing when you were reloading, you were able to cancel the reload and magically get your magazine in your gun back xD
It isn't realistic to cook grenades but this game already has the realism ripped out of it
Who remember the valckirie cam outside the building?
You butchered it
That was recent
was so op
Things nobody talks about is the fact that in year one you could pick upgrenade and throw them back if it wasn't cooked
You were also able to see how many damages you did or received in the top right corner of your screen when ypu were dead (and maybe who or what did the damage but I don't really remember)
I will for sure miss this
I just wish this game stayed the way it did in 2014 - 2016
I literally missed being able to blow open the floor/roof and there not being random metal bars, I miss changing fire-rate, I miss tachanka deployable shield, I miss OG house, I miss so much
They should have a game mode for all the old versions and items that they took out
Erm akshualy ☝️🤓
They removed the acog on the smg 11 because it's illegal to put a magnifying thingy on certain firearms
running in with 5 shield recruits was amazing tho
I don't think things being overpowered is necessarily a bad thing. I would argue that some of these things made the game more fun and helped to bring more players in
I'm so glad I was able to try out all of these stuff before they were gone. You also forgot to mention the fact you could throw back grenades if they landed close enough!!
You used to be able to run outside during prep phase and you could be behind the attackers or throw down a c4 so when they spawned in you’d win automatically
they need to do something like fortnite og honestly im surprised they havent
they did in 2020
@@pixeldonky 2020 was almost five years ago dawg that's abt to be og
Once I heard, maybe I’ll use smokes with glaz I knew I hate this guy‘s opinions…
I remember you used to be able to throw grenades back. Also when the game was brand new, you could run out of the building during the prep phase. One of my first games ever a kapkan got an ace with a nitro cell cuz he guessed our spawn and sat there waiting for us
And no glaz didn’t always have a thermal scope
I remember having to find outside valk cams and looking for them every match before
18:35 lmao that sounded so aggresive
18:45 that soundeed so aggressive lmao
the hostage was perfect with his and her physical movements !!!
Zofia having withstand: Overpowered
Rook giving the entire extra health and withstand: Balanced
Honestly all i learned from this video is that it is pro league’s fault for why siege isn’t as good as it could be (I joined in season 7 so i missed out on old siege)
Glaz always had a thermal scope its just after a few years they changed it so that not the whole area was thermal instead of all of it being thermal
"DP27 MOUNTED AND LOADED!" :(
If you’re going to say that you can’t counter grenades (except with Jaeger), you should mention how you can’t counter Kali/Glaz on Plane except with Azami. But with the rework, she’s not even effective. (But if Plane isn’t in Ranked, it doesn’t matter because the game only matters for Ranked, apparently.)
They also removed the ability to look through bullet holes
I don't want to bring it up but I will. Zofia withstand fit into her lore nicely. Just read her bio and that should be enough. one last thing, I never saw her gadget to be strong considering the fact it barely happened and when it did it was good until it wasn't .
Echo was immune to dokkaebi calls and i actually won a round by defuse because of that mechanic
New tachanka is better than old by far. He’s new ability sucks yes but it if did more damage it would be crazy. He still has his lmg but now he can be mobile with it. The rework is so much better just needs more fire damage
Except... No turret shield
what game was playing in the background?
I think for the most part it was Alpha footage from Siege or really old Siege footage.
The game just went down another way, but if you wanna play something that actually resembles the main idea of Siege at the beginning you can try playing Ready or Not.
@ thanks
I swear glaz has always had thermal.😊
This is why I'm glad operation throwback exists
I would be fine if they took away Zofia's passive, if, IF, they hadn't nerfed her gadget and weapon ANNND, given her high fat loads, just give me back my old Zofia without the passive, I can only play Ash ( for now) and Buck
They could have just nerfed how much damage the nade does through breachable surfaces
Throwing back Grenada’s. That was neat.
bro talking about realistic right after yapping how grenade cooking isnt healthy. siege community 101. siege realism died with Y4
I don't know if you've handled explosives, let alone be in the vicinity of a frag grenade exploding, but cooking a grenade definitely isn't something you'd do. Let's just say that it's a very quick and easy way to meet Jesus
i mean if you want to try and cook a frag grenade perfectly to explode on impact be my guest but me personally i think ill just pull the pin and lob it. i dont think it would be advisable to hold a frag guesstimating the fuze time when they'll most likely kill you when held an arms length away
@kiwifrfr it was still fun to just walk into site with a live grenade in your hand
I mean, do you genuinely think people cook nades like that in real life? Homie really be thinking we killed bin laden with a floor nade because he was playing a default in oregon dorms.
@@big7pointer 💀
I hate the grenade one so much because you still need to get 10 kills with grenades for the platinum I have every trophy but not a single grenade kill and I was doing TDM for like 2 months straight just chucking grenades across the map or even downing someone and throwing it at them too but that doesn't work
No one Talks about old Caveira…. While the silent Step she could reload her gun while Running… am i the only one who remember it?!?!?!?! I Need Proof
Cause God forbid they just not let grenades do less damage through floors or walls.
After rework, Tachanka's name barely makes sense
I love these vids, W🔥
They better bring the grenades back
The best siege channel other than Evan 🎉
When kapkan could put only 1 trap 😢
Remember being able to throw nades back at the enemy.... Not being able to counter cooked nades an complaining about it sounds like a skill issue
i hate when they removed the cooking grenade
I miss t hunt it was always fun
I just Miss Terrorist Hunt...
New chanka is miles better than the old one.
13:31 you mean the Diffuser diffus-o-matitron 3000
I miss smg 11 acog😢
Cooking frag grenades isn’t really realistic like yeah you can do it but you never would realistically
That turret is NOT better than we have now
Just make the bomber an operator on defense. Ability is to blow up and take someone or some ones with you 🤷🏽♂️
"Realistic" knife hit in rainbow six siege
Bro what?..
I miss my lion 2x sight
4:10
Realistic?
Do you know how a grenade works
Realistic is when it doesn't explode in your hand if you hold it too long
Because it has a lever that causes the nade to start detonation and as long as you hold it tight it won't go boom
Anyone complaining about the 1.5 being removed should just play CoD and stay there.
6:25 didn't they make it in his lore that he got his gun upgraded by another sniper and now he had a thermal scope?
yes it was a former rainbow op a female greek sniper (cant remember name) most people think she is going to be the season 3 op especially due to the comic
@@LawrenceBlade Kures Galanos, I found it, although I'll say, as a Greek, I have no idea what Kures is supposed to be, and Galanos is a male last name. Ubi didn't ask.
Just give all ops a 1.5x instead of getting rid of it
so you never used ela's down ability to counter a plant?
I am pretty sure this guy doesn't know how grenades work because yes of course cooking Grenades is realistic😂😂😂😂
Definitely bring back the OG Tachanka! The new one is definitely shit lol 😂
T-Hunt was such a Wonderful mode but once they got rid of Bombers, the C4 Rooms it just became worse.
Ubisoft only goes after the Money and the Opinion Hunting Morons called Streamers and E-Sport players.
I like Tom clanky
It was stupid taking away the 1.5 because in a real gunfight people are gonna have all kind of stuff. Even the same things you have. So taking it away made no sense.
the game has to be balanced bud
if you’re only good because 1.5 then you’re probably better off playing fortnite
Realistically yeah, but Ubisoft wants the game to be balanced and they don't know how to buff operators, only nerf or remove stuff
@@Tempi907it was fun
@@SanderVaartnou-xk1vf making the game desirable for everyone is impossible, people don’t want the 1.5 on every gun, golds and below are begging for it on every gun, some wanted warden nerf some didn’t personally i think the game is balanced and fine, the only thing harming the game i’d say is cheating because how are you having a cheating problem on console and pc for 8 years straight 🤦♂️
4:10
Cooking your nade is actually not rlly that realistic
They got rid of situations
Bro said terrorist more than every usa president
cybersports ruin everything
> guy who thinks everyone else should be responsible for making sure he has fun
They should bring back terrorist hunt
Why is everyone commentating so many times?
Pro-league has neutered seige
what lmfao?
How about Lion's wallhack :]]
Zofia is so shit now they may as well give her the withstand back. I guarantee you people still wont use her.
With the recruit how tf was it OP??!!!
They literally have NO ABILITY!!!
You'd be surprised how powerful it is to have 2 secondary gadgets. People are saying that striker on attack is really powerful right now. I mean the fact that they banned it in pro league speaks volumes
Solo Wall with Hard breach/EMP or entry with Stun/frag flank watch with Claymore/smoke lol yea definitely can fit multiple roles and good for Flex.
@@alkafps I mean the proximity/nitro cell is decent
Bring thunt back Ubisoft “against ai” is dogshit
I love Zofia so I disagree lol 😂
can smoke still self rez?
Smoke never have self rez.
@@sebastiantubisz3460 thought when he died in his smoke he could self rez
Looking how crybabies moaning about cooking nades is hilarious
voting bad players off 😂😂😂😂😂
bring it back
Why do you hate on zofia withstand. But not on rook. All 5 defenders can self revive if there is a rook. Zofia was more balanced
rainbow six siege
rainbow six siege
rainbow six | siege
Nothing is over powered you either sucked or you didn’t
You agree with the grenade nerf? Dislike
This sounds like the dude who sold drugs on 21 jump street. The high school kid or 22 jump street.
Hahahahah sounds like Fogell from superbad