Very Bumpy Landing Of RC-135U Combat Sent at RAF Mildenhall from Sept 7th
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- Very Bumpy Landing Of RC-135U Combat Sent at RAF Mildenhall from Sept 7th
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Now I'm no expert but it looks like he wasn't far off from doing some serious damage at least.
Luckily that's not a very valuable or expensive aircraft (cough cough)
Definitely a two-point landing - on the nosewheel and the #1 engine nacelle 🙊
That why nacelle round like wheel. *burp*
Absolutely no way of knowing that.
@@anttiruo i think you're taking things too literally
@@anttiruo You absolutely can tell it impacted, look at the wing bounce back at 0:26. That #1 engine pod was toast.
Definitely a crosswind landing- on the approach the camera is looking right down the aircraft’s centerline meaning the pilot was crabbing to port. Over-pitched the flare and as a result the plane landed hard on the mains with the crab still in and putting the aircraft in danger of a runway excursion. Nose gear made hard contact and pilot used hard rudder to correct. Inertia caused the aircraft to raise the starboard wing and dip the port wing into ground contact on the engine nacelle which may have actually helped bring the plane to wings level and deploy the spoilers.
He over-pitched the flare because his sink rate was f'ing insane lol. Still didn't have time to truly flare and buried it.
I concur TJ good analysis, in the end all is well and the PIC more than likely just walks away with his tail between his legs just thinking "why did i not just go around when i had the chance".
I for one have thought the same on many occasion, we're all human
Possibly a katabatic wind event at the threshold or flare? Clearly flying into the port wing after it lifted coming over the fence, but at the flare it looks like some ground effects and lift. Power is already retarded and the plane settles hard, but then the starboard wing lifts abruptly leading to possible strike. That's a hard call people. Here at KMMH we get vicious katabatics that have resulted in several excursions and more than one aircraft upside down in the pucker brush. Just thinkin' out loud, but overall looks like they had their hands full on this one judging by the hard rudder inputs when that starboard wing came up hard and sudden.
I think it was most likely a case of not pulling the power to idle. Came in with extra speed for maybe a gust factor, or some other reason, and forgot to idle the power. There was significant delay in the spoilers coming up, and you can hear the sound of the engines idling reach the camera a couple seconds later. A landing on a good day without spoilers is scary let alone a windy one.
There is no crosswind you can see the grass/weeds are almost motionless
Woah that was a close one
wo ah? try "whoa".
@@watchgoose who cares? I knew what he meant!
@@watchgoose Concentrate on not being such an asshole.
@@Walter_E_Kurtz 100%👍🤣
@@Walter_E_Kurtz Kkkkkkkkkkkkk
That landing definitely had a high "pucker factor"!
I imagine they are still unpuckering
Pucker was off the scale guaranteed!
Ya Think? Remembering Dundee on that bird.....but she is sitll making big circle in the sky....and that was in the 80s!
"Boomps- a - daisy !..its enough to make you weep "
Undercarriage lever a bit sticky, was it sir?
They coluld train monkeys - - - !
... to fly better than that. xD
@@geococcyx7543 nice...very nice. And very "niche" 👍🏻
Ducker, ducker, ducker, ducker.
Had a landing like that at Offutt and not a word was said during the roll out. As we were turning off the active a lone voice cracked over the intercom.... "Clean up, aisle 6" and the whole crew just lost it 🤣😂🤣😂
classic
Hard to say, but I am not seeing a crab approach, no rudder deflection or "wing up" to indicate crosswind.
I am suspecting the PIC was not aligned and tried to salvage, rather than go missed approach.
From the way the aircraft yaws and then sets down on NLG and the transfer of inertia to the front makes control sketchy trying to keep the NLG under the aircraft, hence what looks like a "dutch roll" motion and came close to doing the "Flipper" (Porpoising) lucky to have gotten the WOW switches smashed and spoilers out. Buy maintenance a bunch of beer for the "special inspection"...
Yes, there was a crabbed approach, not too hard to see actually. Given the fact that he flies very regularly to and from MHZ, he was aligned all the way - gusting winds are a b**** and then dancing on the nosewheel is indeed not very nice for everyone aft of 5m of the NLG
His sink rate looked rather extreme for the entire approach, perhaps that was the initiating factor that gave them less time to stabilize and flare. They pretty much just buried it into the runway, didn't look like they were prepared for things to happen that fast and crab corrections to straighten out were a bit extreme as a result.
me thinks they just caught a gust, BUT driving the nose down is NOT the way to deal with that, and the PIO, yuk. it got real ugly there for a second
TM re "but I am not seeing a crab approach" I think you need to watch the video again. The aircraft is pretty much pointing directly at the camera! And the camera looks to be about 45º offset to the runway so there's a large amount of crab angle involved. Also when the smoke appears it immediately starts blowing to the right of the runway which further indicates this crew was dealing with a substantial crosswind from the left. Expect a gust made it all the more difficult during the flare but I also agree with Alex's comment that the sink rate looked pretty high. Probably should have gone around but all very easy to speculate on from the comfort of our armchairs.
@@philipdartnell I did. The perspective was giving me fits, but watching it over I can see it.
That was a appalling , will be amazed if the engine cowls are untouched !
The inboard engine cowl on the left wing was scraped up
The pilots always appreciated the AMS requesting the average landing time.
Wow Stu that was a nail biter! Good thing they didn't need your footage for an investigation.
Wow,,, that pilot is worth his weight in gold. That must be the worst case of crosswind. That was touch and go for seconds, it could have ended with body bags. That pilot just saved the USAF millions. US Air Force trains their pilots fantastically. Bravo.
Flown on that bird for many hours, and I believe it was the one we did a worse landing than that which blew out all 8 main tires and one of two nose wheel tires. The holes were so big that you could stick you head through the holes. It was on a fighter base, and we had no fuel left. However, I don't think I would want to be the crew who did this at old Moldy Hole. People are always watching....like the SAC CINC and others!
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These have some issues landing in the wind, came out of Offutt 2 miles south of me. Watch them all the time. Always having to go back around haha
Near the camera there appears to be very little wind 0:30 the grass is barely moving yet plenty of crosswind for the aircraft so something strange was going on. (maybe!)
"I don't think anyone saw that..." As an aside is it usual for the rudder to flutter in the wind, looks a bit lose to me.
The rudder is fluttering because you can use the rudder pedals to steer (up to 8 degrees).
He did alrright in that crosswind. Although he kept the flaps down for far longer than I've ever seen before.
On that day there was no wind, it was calm but very hot, my thought is that because of the heat, the aircraft could have hit what I would call a dust devil but im no expert, i can only say what it was like on that day. Thanks for your comments
Straight to the repairs
That's what a training flight looks like. They get those out of the way before flying commercial.
Significant crosswinds? Any landing that you walk away from is a good one. I think that it’s an OCU base so a lengthy debrief is probably in order
Time for an airframe inspection.
Just think how entertaining it would be if grunts could paint stuff on their rifles like zoomies do jets.
Somebody has to finish last in their class. WoW Hard landing checks now due. 30 fresh flight suits, as everyone put a biscuit in there's after surviving that landing.
He or she will never be able to forget that
Instructor: "Nice crab.... Now flare... Bit early... Lower the wing into the wind.... Yes, right like that.... NO SO MUCH!!! ... Aerelons!!! ... THE OTHER WAY! ... I have control! "
Far better landing than any Easy Jet plane I've been on..
I would love to look under those engine nacelles.
The aircraft will more than likely to into phase early, and be up and flyin' shortly. There are only so many of those.
Hope they had their brown trousers on..
Hmmm, the approach was good, touchdown was not hard so I am not sure what could go wrong. Side wind did not seem extreme, too. Maybe the main landing gear is too wobbly.
A long pilot career consists of good nutrition, good rest, good judgement, patience, humor, and never ever, be in a hurry. Just sayin'🚁🇺🇸
change of under ware advised
I like the paint scheme.
Mildenhall gets some nasty crosswinds. I flew out of there on a C-141 and it was NOT a pleasant experience.
I’m seeing the contour and elevation of the runway and median with where the photographer is positioned is giving an obscure and distorted visual……?
At the 0:32-0:33, it looks like the far right engine emits a tannish/brownish plume of exhaust. Could this point to that particular engine contacting the ground earlier in the landing?
Nice planes but why are they still using what is basically a 707 with updated engines?
Bumps-a-daisy...s'enough to make you weep...
"The smoking lamp is now lit. So is the crapping your pants lamp."
That pilot sure has a penchant for stomping on the rudder pedals.
Must've been more fuel on the port side than the starboard side 😉🙊 at least everyone got to walk away safe 👍🏼
should have b52 stabilizers
I'm sure we started off with four engines!
Ryan air: you’re hired!
You can tell he drinks Carling Black Label :)
Needed to add the donor cowling photo at the end.
Just glad we didn't have a class A.
Someone is going to be wearing the "remove before flight " flag ... we got this when in SAC.
2nd Lt at the controls. He/she/them will improve.
Just like a rubber Cobra Ball I'll come bouncing back to you...
Yeah that's an engine scrape for sure
Gonna be a loooooong debriefing for that pilot
Biker pilot doing a stoppie
Just another day at ryan air
Can you imagine the pilot's thoughts as he sees his career going down the toilet [ when he gets the chance to sit on one ]
On a wing and a prayer
Ground spoilers should have deployed on touch down and didn't.
was there an engine strike
Wow, what was that all about?
Definitely needs new suspension and/or shock absorber at front. 😂
I thought that plane was too big to be Radio Controlled.
Landing gear inspection, coming up next.
its all those damn antenas
Are they 737-800 Engines?
Very strange, I don't think there was any cross-wind (check the white flowers among the grass) so it could be either mishandling by pilot or system malfunction. These 707 can be a handful sometimes.
Was thinking it's an RC airplane not s real one
Que avião é esse?
Probably hot brakes too.
Replace front strut, rear crew underwear, back to work.
This is why it is recommended not to eat a bacon sandwich on final approach.
He’s now chief pilot at RyanAir.
Now the Ryanair safety department trainer
Lol
Bro, the guy is a CEO....
@@bfc3057 yeah because hes too overqualified
Believe it or not but Ryanair are actually one of the top payers regarding aircrew in the world & actually attracts some of the best pilots although yes it is a budget airline with no frills, but you don’t see that from the cockpit.
Captain:
"Thank you for flying with us, regarding the landing... remember it wasn't my fault... it wasn't your fault... it was the asphalt."
😂
HAHAHAHA good one!
LOL
She was only the road menders daughter, but she did like her asphalt.
Great!!!
I’m sure the crew was in a deep discussion taxing in. Left the flaps extended.
Had landings like that before... And usually there isn't much said on taxi back to the spot haha! Had one landing like that at Offutt and it set off the crash lights it bounced so hard. 😳
The flaps are left extended for a reason
@@sterlinghunter9651 Exactly, if anything I'd think it would be a rather silent cockpit lol. It's already happened, they already know what went wrong. Might discuss it during crew debrief if they do that.
@@sterlinghunter9651 Meanwhile...Offutt's runway is currently being totally removed and re-done as we speak....
I’m not a pilot but I take my hat of to these brave pilots having to take off and land in all types of weather ,brave and skilled men and women every one of them .
this guy wasn't one of them
My hats off to the poor seats in the back that all need new cushions now.
Even on clear sunny days
Nice to see the C-135/707 platform still earning its keep! 🇺🇸
The 135s are based on the narrow body 367 rather than the 707...
Shit Man, that's not a Chinese assembled Aircraft?
How he didn't lose that I just don't know, but he was literally inches (maybe millimeters) from disaster.
My heart was in my mouth when filming that
@@AirshowWorld Literally?
@@Matterhorny yes, I'm sure he meant literally
@@AirshowWorld I bet his lunch was in his flying suit.
No problem, that was just a, um, "tactical" landing.
There's no shame in a go-around or a divert to an alternate.
Mildehall gets some pretty stiff crosswinds. Landed a C-141 there once with the yoke turned all the way to the stop.
We Had an emergency landing at Mildenhall RAF, serious hydraulic leak that didn’t allow the use of flaps, spoilers had to manually lower gear and only had emergency brakes. Also, could not jettison fuel as even with hydraulic systems turned off we still had spray/misting of hydraulic fluid in the cargo bay aft of the flap pack. Did I mention this was in a C141-A Lockheed Starlifter. Night time landing, over an hour and a half to get back to this base, so heavy landing, lots of fuel, oh and 50,000 lbs. of class A as the cargo. On long final we asked tower to turn down the ILS lights, the reply back was….the lights are off those lights are from all of the emergency vehicles. We ate up most all of the runway to include part of the overrun. Must say everyone on board was super professional……and wide eyed after that landing. Did I mention this was a reserve crew.
@@michaeladams9629 Wow, that's quite a story! I flew B's and C's in the reserves for 13 years. I didn't have any major systems issues until my unit converted to C-5As. Section 3 of the C-5 dash-1 was well used.
Not many of these RCs in the inventory - very important mission. Pilot's probably half the age of the airframe.
Two Combat Sents
Wrong its Joe Biden.
But most likely not half the age of those engines.
@@armstronglance the engines are fairly new, within the last 15 years.
Important mission?!?!?! What? Oh yeah , of course , the Russians are going to invade at any moment, yeah of course, now it makes so much sence ,pounds shillings and pence, after all folks, god gets what God wants .....
I bet that was fun for the guys in the rear cabin! Must have been a hell of a cross wind, judging from the extreme rudder inputs.
Looking at the crabbing on approach, something was causing side-slip. The rest looks to me to be reaction flying. Good job I'd say. :)
There is no side slip ( although that can be used in a crosswind ), it was crabbing into wind due crosswind, and mishandled at the end. What is “ reaction flying “. Never heard that before ?
> Something was causing side-slip.
Like... a crosswind?
Haven’t been flying long…did he put the nose down too soon/too heavily?
@@blueb0g No those pesky gremlins.
@@smurphy1977 haha
good thing this jet usually brings its own maintainers haha. Def going to need to do some checks after that!
OK just watched it a few times.. It looks like just as they hit runway, a major wind gust nailed them, they locked the brakes to try and bring the nose around.. WATCH as they straighten it out and look at the rudder even as they are back in control. That rudder is moving HARD RIGHT as each wind gust hits.. all they way into the turn off for the runway. As you watch the rudder, glance at the flowers on the ground.. You can see heavy gust of wind.. While I don't fly big boys like that, from my perspective in this video, it appears it was wind at the wrong place at the wrong time and these pilots were shit hot good to be able to recover that much force just at touch down.
Hope the Aircrew in back kept their seatbelts fastened!😬(Obviously they did and Do👍!)
That front wheel suspension looks a bit bouncy. Can’t be easy to control the front end.
Especially with those aerodynamics.
On a car you would say the shock absorber is fucked.
The bounce is from applying the brakes. Still, I think a landing like that would warrant a "hard landing inspection."
@@i.r.wayright1457 Wouldn't be surprised if the main gear seals are leaking hydraulic fluid after that one (used to be a KC-135 crew chief)
@@stratochief99 How long did that take to fix?
I worked on small stuff after the Army and we had a local flying club that would wash their 172 now and then. Every time they did they cleaned off the nose strut real nice. Then, the next landing they would roll a seal. I told them to just smear some fresh hydraulic fluid on the exposed piston and it wouldn't do that again.
i was at raf mildenhall in the 1980's and saw a crew bounce a sr-71blackbird and those crews were majors & colonels with over 3,000hrs before they qaulified for the sr71 programme
As Brian Shull said: "You only have one chance at landing coming over the fence at 200 MPH and no fuel for a missed approach."
“Captain, the Wing Commander is on the phone asking for you… “. 😕
20+ years ago we almost lost this bird when it had to divert to Glasgow and the runway had standing water on it. They hydroplaned, blew out four tires and ground down four wheels. They finally got it stopped on the overrun. When I called to get the results of the flight my guy's first words out of his mouth were "We don't thing the plane is too badly damaged, the recovery crew just left on a C-130!"
Karl, I was the "Gunner" on that mission, and Brad Grubel was training an AMS!" - it was Dundee....remember eating in the Disco that night - in our FLIGHT suits.
So much awesome input from so many highly qualified and experienced heavy drivers. We are so lucky to have this rank amateur analysis of something none of you are capable of doing.
Is this the pilot from this video speaking? 🤣
@@danp4175 Of course, it's captain johnson! He drives 135's daily lmao. Given his infinite knowledge, I'm a bit surprised he didn't set everyone straight and actually explain what REALLY happened here! /sarcasm
If you survive, it's been a good landing, if the plane survives it's been an outstanding landing!!!!!
You ok hun?
but I have dozens of hours on a simulator!
To me it looks like extreme over controlling, Reversing rudder deflections are visible which are highly unusual and certainly not desired. Other control surfaces certainly were be ham-handed as well. The abrupt flare is the biggest clue to over control. If it was just goofy winds, the landing should have been aborted. Some comments earlier stated that they were too engrossed in conversation after landing to retract the flaps. In 707 airline operations which I participated in, no configuration changes were to be made after landing when structural damage is suspected. This is the hardest 707 landing that I have seen. I worked in the training department on 707's and I've seen what beginners can do. I am sure major damage to structs and wing spars occurred. Boeing landing gear is super tough. The other parts fail first.
The CS is one of the heaviest aircraft in the RC inventory. I have 3500 hours on them. The pilots are extraordinary and even though sometimes things just go wrong. Don't consider "Civilian" procedures, The Combat Sent may LOOK like a 707, but it AIN'T. The weight is far different, and with the modes all over the fuselage, it handles VERY differently. The whole aircraft is SUPER STRESSED....for a reason.
@@patmower46 I understand. Also, I fully expect that the airframe is really beefed up for the mission. And I also realize that the capability to operate in adverse conditions and locations is important to our security. While my 2,100 hours of Air Force time is less than yours, I do have many times that on the civilian side in large aircraft. I instructed in both settings. What we see is a horrible landing due to pilot over control. It should have been aborted before touchdown. But hey, they walked away from it and probably their socks didn't fall down. If the airplane was still usable, it was a success.
I think the crosswind should have led to a the second runway, then the pilot would have had the wind head on. Bloody good landing I’d say, just see how hard the pilot is working that rudder
That landing at its whole went wrong.!!Nose wheel first. Lucky pilot. That guy is most experinced. Not every pilot would have made it😳
@@kurtpaul920 exactly, a point well made by you sir, put a lot better than I
Perhaps they met with the ruskies fighters up there and were still under the impression of the encounter when landed...
What the hell was that?! At least everyone got to walk away, so I guess it qualifies as a landing………sort of.
Been through a lot like that when I was an IP at the CCTS (Combat Crew Training School) at Castle AFB for 5 years back in the late 70s. Trained brand new 2nd Lieutenants who were right out of pilot training and nothing bigger than a T37 or T38. Thousands of landings, not even counting the ones with multiple touchdowns, aka "bouncing"!
Urban legend has it that Boeing machined the KC135 out of a solid block of cast iron.
CEVG pilot used to use that expression a lot. Joe Bagofdonuts-phrase sticks with you.
Go KC-135 ! I've got over 2 hrs of Zero-G in one at Ellington.
@@pdanglea5447 I got that name from my first KC135 copilot of my first crew when I became an AC back in 1971.
@@JimEdds Ah yes, the "Vomit Comet"!
Nice video!
Nearly went down to two operational airframes then! Got to treat the old girl with respect, those things aren't cheap!!
Trust me, she's been through FAR worse than that since she started flying as an RC-135C in 1967.
the brake gear was up flappers. .all the way to stop he landing to fast must have a brake problem...
Looks to me like a mishandled crosswind landing, my guess is by a low houred Co-pilot. They did not get away with it all, the Number 2 engine scraped the runway.
Finally, a comment by someone who actually knows a bit about flying !
Is that info verifiable somehow?
That was frightening. They'll do better next time, though.
I got a picture of this one at LGSA (Chania Crete) on 23rd September....they must have gone there for a bit of R 'n R after that landing, and maybe a Metaxa or three ;-)