Sauron learned Melkor's plan was death to every living thing in Arda, and furthermore, Sauron was his own master for more than 6,000 years after Melkor fell so why submit to Melkor when Sauron could accomplish his own goal of complete order in Middle Earth without Melkor?
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Those warnings that the Valar sent really backfired didn't they? You don't try and scare people into following you when they are already angry and scared of you...
Sauron, as we come to know him, does not wish to share power, so I don't imagine him wanting to ring back the previous Dark Lord, who would likely expect Sauron to again swear subservience to him. Sauron was effectively set up to win, and take the world for his own; even without the Ring, he was basically going to be the victor, as the Free Peoples could not really defeat him so long as the Ring survived, thus a resurgent Morgoth would not have been helpful, or necessary. As for bringing Melkor back, I don't think he could. The Door of Night, even if unguarded, was in a place Sauron would have refused to go, and even if he did, there's no guarantee that he could physically manipulate it. Of course, there was the other gate, and it even had the benefit of being in the Far East; a place it always seems like no one we get to know ever treads. No Ainur ever seem to drift that far; one of Mordor's many strengths is simply how far from the West it is, and even our author frequently acts like that is a world that he, whi invented the world, knows nothing about. Maybe Sauron could have approached the Dawn Gate, but I don't have any reason to believe that he could have any more readily opened it, hoping that a drifting Morgoth had cycled around the spherical Arda, through the Void, much as the Sun, and Moon, do. Sauron, as he is, seems mostly tied to this world he wants to dominate, and with so much of his native strength separated from him, and bound up in the Ring, he might not have even been able to weather a transition into the Void, were it necessary, to go seek Morgoth.
I'd like to hear your take on: could the rings of power be unmade? Could all the rings, with a suitably talented smith, be unmade or subverted into another form and forced to be repurposed? Could a miar who trained under Aule, or even Aule himself have unmade the one ring?
I covered whether it would be possible to get the power back from the ring in this video. ua-cam.com/video/ndY0Rt9KA2k/v-deo.html But you have brought another dimension to it. Could Vala Aule have taken the One Ring and turned it into something else? The power in the Ring was Sauron's power. Even if Aule somehow kept this power and gave it to another object he forged again, the result would not be different from the One Ring. Because what actually makes that object special is Sauron's self. And he is unlikely to return to goodness.
im pretty sure he was morgoth by that point and with absolutely everything he did to other races and lesser beings ones look melkor was given special treatment in the prison he went to for the war against the valar and the ainur
Sauron learned Melkor's plan was death to every living thing in Arda, and furthermore, Sauron was his own master for more than 6,000 years after Melkor fell so why submit to Melkor when Sauron could accomplish his own goal of complete order in Middle Earth without Melkor?
I’m really digging your channel I love everything Tolkien and again I feel like you do a fantastic job of hyping me up for stories and lore I’ve read 100 plus times ❤thanks!
Thank you so much!
Your very welcome although I’m almost certain the Valar did not cut off Melkor’s hands. It is said his feet were hewn from beneath him
Those warnings that the Valar sent really backfired didn't they? You don't try and scare people into following you when they are already angry and scared of you...
Good analysis!
Melkor is destined to come back and Sauron pushed worship of him with the Numenors
Worship of Melkor wasn't something Sauron used just on Numenor. It was the overall religion of the men who served his cause.
Sauron, as we come to know him, does not wish to share power, so I don't imagine him wanting to ring back the previous Dark Lord, who would likely expect Sauron to again swear subservience to him. Sauron was effectively set up to win, and take the world for his own; even without the Ring, he was basically going to be the victor, as the Free Peoples could not really defeat him so long as the Ring survived, thus a resurgent Morgoth would not have been helpful, or necessary. As for bringing Melkor back, I don't think he could. The Door of Night, even if unguarded, was in a place Sauron would have refused to go, and even if he did, there's no guarantee that he could physically manipulate it. Of course, there was the other gate, and it even had the benefit of being in the Far East; a place it always seems like no one we get to know ever treads. No Ainur ever seem to drift that far; one of Mordor's many strengths is simply how far from the West it is, and even our author frequently acts like that is a world that he, whi invented the world, knows nothing about. Maybe Sauron could have approached the Dawn Gate, but I don't have any reason to believe that he could have any more readily opened it, hoping that a drifting Morgoth had cycled around the spherical Arda, through the Void, much as the Sun, and Moon, do. Sauron, as he is, seems mostly tied to this world he wants to dominate, and with so much of his native strength separated from him, and bound up in the Ring, he might not have even been able to weather a transition into the Void, were it necessary, to go seek Morgoth.
You have written very well. I completely agree
I'd like to hear your take on: could the rings of power be unmade? Could all the rings, with a suitably talented smith, be unmade or subverted into another form and forced to be repurposed? Could a miar who trained under Aule, or even Aule himself have unmade the one ring?
I covered whether it would be possible to get the power back from the ring in this video. ua-cam.com/video/ndY0Rt9KA2k/v-deo.html
But you have brought another dimension to it. Could Vala Aule have taken the One Ring and turned it into something else? The power in the Ring was Sauron's power. Even if Aule somehow kept this power and gave it to another object he forged again, the result would not be different from the One Ring. Because what actually makes that object special is Sauron's self. And he is unlikely to return to goodness.
@@middleearthtales Thanks so much for this.
There is a huge amount of mental self-wankery going on here.
im pretty sure he was morgoth by that point and with absolutely everything he did to other races and lesser beings ones look melkor was given special treatment in the prison he went to for the war against the valar and the ainur