Great episode based on Rosenhan's work on psychiatric "care" which borrows directly from the article and even quotes the title. Really impressive and based on great research, including the power of labelling and the inability to extricate oneself from the institution without outside help. All too real.
"He's exhibiting note taking behavior". It's pretty scary how everything can be turned into the actions of a mentally disturbed person. No wonder no one could ever get out of those institutions.
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That is exactly right, "white dog". That was the meaning of my post above that I did earlier. There are lots of videos on youtube, exposing the testimony of people who used to be in these institutions as patients and ex workers. They talk about the difficulty of proving your innocence to other psychologists and doctors. The medical people make money off of you, the longer you stay in there. That is the problem. Many psychiatrists are mentally disturbed themselves.
PS The man below 'Monica's apartment in 'Friends' plays the wise inmate. He also played the taxi driver in Ep 1. Amusing 'Rossi' calls himself Woodward. Robert/Rossi was in the movie version of 'All the Presidents Men'!
I can't believe that I didn't watch this show before either. This show was on just as I was ending elementary school and starting high school. It was a very confusing time for me emotionally. I did watch lots of other amazing staple shows throughout the 70s when I was a kid i.e., Brady Bunch, Star Trek, Batman, Superman, Partridge Family, Good Times, Sanford and Son, All in the Family, Barney Miller, Welcome Back Kotter, etc., etc. There was so much quality programming to watch, unlike today. But certain shows like this one somehow escaped me. Watching the episodes now is like a time warp. Great acting, stories, etc., simply amazing show! The 50s, 60s and 70s and some of the 80s too really was the best time for tv and music. These shows capture the mood of the time. I even enjoyed watching 'Lawrence Welk" with my father and grandfather - I usually watched what they did and I owe my love of movies to my grandfather for example. By the time I was 12 I had already watched all of the best movies and shows of the time. I find it hard to watch those old classics now because it reminds me of my late grandfather too much - a bittersweet thing. In many ways I'm living in the past. It was the best of times, and in some ways the worst of times. My mom suffered from mental illness her whole life, and that took a big emotional toll on my sisters and I, and o my father as well. Hence, this episode really hits home for me. My mom was hospitalized several times for her depressions and schizophrenia. This episode brings back many sad memories for me. I can relate to this episode in too many ways because of m childhood experiences. In any case, I am hooked on this show now and I have seen around 12 episodes already. Charlie and Lou really remind me of my own dad. They were the men of the 70s I call them. Family men who went to work, slogged it out every week to keep the family going, even at the expense of their own needs and wants. But they were solid and in touch with the issues of the time. They read the paper, often from cover to cover, always voted, loved their coffee/beer/cigarettes, and especially their summer barbecuing in the backyard listening to their radio. Good men, simple hard working 70s men. The world is so different to day and not necessarily for the better. In fact, I see society going down the toilet to be honest. Technology has changed much for the betterment of society, but is had also changed so much for the worse. Just my 2 cents :-) Thank for reading.
In the 1880s Nellie Bly, a news reporter for the New York World, had herself committed to a mental institution with the intention of doing undercover investigation of the conditions. This lead to badly needed reforms of the mental health system at that time. I guess this episode was sort of an homage to her work.
Loved this show back when it aired. Great actors, great theme song, great stories, great guests like Michael Zaslow as Billie’s doctor boyfriend. He was so handsome.
At 6:11 Billie mentions the New Math. Sort of like the Common Core Math of it’s day. Not quite so bad, IMO because it could done without having to count on the fingers. Also quicker solutions than Common Core.
I’ve been binging this show, and I must say it is very good overall. Some ups, some downs, but solid. It doesn’t try and hit you over the head with sermonizing and moralizing.
I know I watched most of The Mary Tyler Moore show when it aired in the 70s. I have enjoyed watching the series on YT. I had missed some episodes. I never did watch Lou Grant in the 70s. I looked it up and it was on Tuesday and switched to Monday. I couldn't find a time, but I think it was on at 10:00 p.m. That would not have fit into my schedule unless it was school vacation. I decided to watch it here. I have thoroughly enjoyed it. The cast--the chemistry, the acting, and the writing are great. They tackled some difficult issues. Thank you for uploading these videos.
At 36:42 Charlie quotes "the fight among men is not between good and evil but between opposing ideas of good", and Mrs. Pynchon says her late husband used to love that saying. Does anybody know to whom that saying is attributed? It's a great quote and I'd love to know where it comes from.
@@leonnehaaijman4709 Thanks and very timely. I can use this for something I'm writing. All the best to you!
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The intro to this now would be seen as a hate fact and poor babies watching it would be given PTSD watching a tree fall. Everyone we used to laugh at is now running the planet.
Grant Tinker, the head of MTM Enterprises and Mary Tyler Moore's onetime husband, explained that when the subject on one of its dramatic series was too serious for such frivolity, the kitten was muted.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment. In this episode there is a reference to being sane in insane places. Lou asks what that meant, and Billy suggested it was part of a quote, or something even less substantial. The writer and producer and director of this episode should hang their head a moment for this inadequate research.
Great episode based on Rosenhan's work on psychiatric "care" which borrows directly from the article and even quotes the title. Really impressive and based on great research, including the power of labelling and the inability to extricate oneself from the institution without outside help. All too real.
"He's exhibiting note taking behavior". It's pretty scary how everything can be turned into the actions of a mentally disturbed person. No wonder no one could ever get out of those institutions.
That is exactly right, "white dog". That was the meaning of my post above that I did earlier. There are lots of videos on youtube, exposing the testimony of people who used to be in these institutions as patients and ex workers. They talk about the difficulty of proving your innocence to other psychologists and doctors. The medical people make money off of you, the longer you stay in there. That is the problem. Many psychiatrists are mentally disturbed themselves.
Michael Zaslow guest starring in this episode. Best known for playing Roger Thorpe on Guiding Light. He later passed away from ALS.
I love how Rossi goes under the name of Carl Woodward. He could have said Bob Bernstein lol
Bob Woodward used his REAL name and it didn't help Trump ("Oh yeah, I know COVID-19 is deadly, I just don't care")
@@Zoomer30 Hysterical. (Then, unbelievable.)
He could have easily played the role of Carl in the movie ‘All The Presidents Men’. He did play Donald Segretti in the movie.
PS The man below 'Monica's apartment in 'Friends' plays the wise inmate. He also played the taxi driver in Ep 1. Amusing 'Rossi' calls himself Woodward. Robert/Rossi was in the movie version of 'All the Presidents Men'!
I can't believe that I didn't watch this show before either. This show was on just as I was ending elementary school and starting high school. It was a very confusing time for me emotionally. I did watch lots of other amazing staple shows throughout the 70s when I was a kid i.e., Brady Bunch, Star Trek, Batman, Superman, Partridge Family, Good Times, Sanford and Son, All in the Family, Barney Miller, Welcome Back Kotter, etc., etc. There was so much quality programming to watch, unlike today.
But certain shows like this one somehow escaped me. Watching the episodes now is like a time warp. Great acting, stories, etc., simply amazing show! The 50s, 60s and 70s and some of the 80s too really was the best time for tv and music. These shows capture the mood of the time. I even enjoyed watching 'Lawrence Welk" with my father and grandfather - I usually watched what they did and I owe my love of movies to my grandfather for example. By the time I was 12 I had already watched all of the best movies and shows of the time. I find it hard to watch those old classics now because it reminds me of my late grandfather too much - a bittersweet thing. In many ways I'm living in the past. It was the best of times, and in some ways the worst of times. My mom suffered from mental illness her whole life, and that took a big emotional toll on my sisters and I, and o my father as well.
Hence, this episode really hits home for me. My mom was hospitalized several times for her depressions and schizophrenia. This episode brings back many sad memories for me. I can relate to this episode in too many ways because of m childhood experiences.
In any case, I am hooked on this show now and I have seen around 12 episodes already. Charlie and Lou really remind me of my own dad. They were the men of the 70s I call them. Family men who went to work, slogged it out every week to keep the family going, even at the expense of their own needs and wants. But they were solid and in touch with the issues of the time. They read the paper, often from cover to cover, always voted, loved their coffee/beer/cigarettes, and especially their summer barbecuing in the backyard listening to their radio. Good men, simple hard working 70s men. The world is so different to day and not necessarily for the better. In fact, I see society going down the toilet to be honest. Technology has changed much for the betterment of society, but is had also changed so much for the worse. Just my 2 cents :-) Thank for reading.
Your comment really touched me. I couldn't agree more. You have obviously gone through a lot, and I wish you all the best. 🙏
Rossi should have told them where he was going, and why. He should have told them the alias he was going to use.
In the 1880s Nellie Bly, a news reporter for the New York World, had herself committed to a mental institution with the intention of doing undercover investigation of the conditions. This lead to badly needed reforms of the mental health system at that time. I guess this episode was sort of an homage to her work.
The actor at 26:10 is the same guy that played the cab driver from the first episode when Lou first arrives in town.
Pre-computers that were classified as Cold Type. I set up so many magazines and NYC newspapers with Atex in the early 80s.That changed newsrooms.
i used to stay up late at night to watch this - loved it, stll do!
I can’t believe I never watched this show. I just started watching Mary Tyler Moore and came here. Two really different shows.
I too ignored 'Lou Grant' when it first aired. I'm glad I have another shot at it.
@@MrMenefrego1 Ditto! Liking this!
If I'm not in the room I swear it is Katharine Hepburn talking not Mrs. P ( who is fabulous)!
Loved this show back when it aired. Great actors, great theme song, great stories, great guests like Michael Zaslow as Billie’s doctor boyfriend. He was so handsome.
He was best known as Roger Thorpe on "The Guiding Light" throughout most of the '70s and into the '80s, and again in the '90s.
The Harmless Good Old Days.Lol
political correctness has ruined free speech. You can't say anything in public or even on TV nowadays. The good ole days had less hangups and fears.
Lou's reaction to learning that Billie and her boyfriend were shacked up. LOL
He could have just been spending the night.
That was and is shockingly immoral and indefensible behavior--let alone for a journalist alas. We are supposed to maintain high ethical standards.
@@alfredroberthogan That appies to all of us.
44:O1 The optic of the location reminds at the mental instiute one from THRESHOLD episode THE BURNING
That episode was kind of predictable, but it was still very good.
The judge was played by Bill Quinn. He also played Mary Richards father on the Mary Tyler Moore show. He was Bob Newhart’s father-in-law BTW.
One of those activists (when Rossi gets all the pamphlets) looks a lot like David Schwimmer.
Sounded like him too, but no way age wise...right?
Mental health is still very much threated the same today.
Agree except for “Group”. Is that therapy done much anymore?
At 6:11 Billie mentions the New Math. Sort of like the Common Core Math of it’s day. Not quite so bad, IMO because it could done without having to count on the fingers. Also quicker solutions than Common Core.
Been in, it worst than this.
I’ve been binging this show, and I must say it is very good overall. Some ups, some downs, but solid. It doesn’t try and hit you over the head with sermonizing and moralizing.
Correction:
I love Joe Rossi and his recipe for meatballs.
Totally 💯 percent but it is very low to do that
15:27 - Harry Townes was a great actor. One of my friends was friends with him and said he was an ordained minister as well.
The guy at Biillies, from Guiding Light. Died of ALS ( Lou Gehrig's disease)
And he was on the first aired episode of Star Trek, "The Man Trap."
So tragic. He looks so young and healthy here.
Love seeing the old stars of the day when they were younger.
Book banning & book burning & censorship.
Great show...always delves into questioning themes, as opposed to making us think a certain way. Also, perfect theme song
I need that list. Then I can tell someone that they really 7-Upd something and they won't get it.
How was animal named animal? Look at him!
I know I watched most of The Mary Tyler Moore show when it aired in the 70s. I have enjoyed watching the series on YT. I had missed some episodes. I never did watch Lou Grant in the 70s. I looked it up and it was on Tuesday and switched to Monday. I couldn't find a time, but I think it was on at 10:00 p.m. That would not have fit into my schedule unless it was school vacation. I decided to watch it here. I have thoroughly enjoyed it. The cast--the chemistry, the acting, and the writing are great. They tackled some difficult issues. Thank you for uploading these videos.
Thanks so much for this!
At 36:42 Charlie quotes "the fight among men is not between good and evil but between opposing ideas of good", and Mrs. Pynchon says her late husband used to love that saying.
Does anybody know to whom that saying is attributed? It's a great quote and I'd love to know where it comes from.
Nietzsche said something similar.
@@leonnehaaijman4709 Thanks and very timely. I can use this for something I'm writing.
All the best to you!
The intro to this now would be seen as a hate fact and poor babies watching it would be given PTSD watching a tree fall. Everyone we used to laugh at is now running the planet.
BILLY BABY!!😍💕
Was it ever revealed how Animal came to be called Animal?
It refered to his Vietnam days. Also a guy with a name like HERB HERBERT changing his name is really understandable
Why doesn't the kitty meow at the end?
Grant Tinker, the head of MTM Enterprises and Mary Tyler Moore's onetime husband, explained that when the subject on one of its dramatic series was too serious for such frivolity, the kitten was muted.
33:35...not liking Rossi much in this moment.
@angelbulldog49 the riders, probably had Rossi reacting this way because that’s a very common misunderstanding and opinion of many people.
He is an actor, that's the script he was paid to play, the writers were obviously trying to show us how many people act and believe.
Roger Thorp.
Is the actor who played Halsey the same person who was Carlton the Doorman on Rhoda? His voice reminds me of that character.
No, Larry Hankin played Halsey.
Lorenzo Music, one of the producers on "Rhoda," supplied the voice of the doorman.
@@kevinfitzmaurice4072 Thank you!
@@kevinfitzmaurice4072 And he also played Garfield. (when I watched Rhoda I wondered how a cat could be a doormann😂)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment. In this episode there is a reference to being sane in insane places. Lou asks what that meant, and Billy suggested it was part of a quote, or something even less substantial. The writer and producer and director of this episode should hang their head a moment for this inadequate research.