How Glen Campbell was almost dropped from Capitol Records before recording his biggest hits
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2020
- This episode of the Musicians Hall of Fame Vault Series features LA Studio musician, Wrecking Crew member, and record producer, Al De Lory. Al worked with Hal Blaine, Phil Spector, The Beach Boys, Glen Campbell, and more.
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Dad, I miss you so much! I miss your stories and I am so proud of the beautiful work you did while you were here that is such a big part of the soundtrack of my life. Thank you to The Musicians Hall of Fame and Museum for posting this interview! My Dad was so proud to be a part of your museum!!
Thanks Donna... we too are very proud to have your Dad as a Musicians Hall Of Fame inductee. I personally enjoyed knowing Al and was a huge fan of his work with Glen. Those arrangements are timeless. Best....Joe
Al DeLory's arrangement of Glen Campbell's 1968 Christmas Album is a masterpiece. I paid close to $100 to get a CD from Europe of that 68 Christmas LP that wasn't released in the US on CD until less than 10 years ago. Timeless.
I’m so proud of you both! Fascinating stories! I sang on a demo your Dad produced on you many years ago in Nashville. It may have been the first song you recorded. I had no idea your Dad was involved in Glenn’s career until now! Incredible!!!
Your dad was such a talented man. He produced all of Glen's best stuff . Those were golden years. Magical!
Nice to hear the inside story on a golden period for all concerned and especially Wichita lineman a beautiful song.
So proud of my father Al DeLory. Funny, I know this story well but there is always one detail i didn’t. Very interesting. Thank you for posting. 😁
So happy you like it. I think this interview shows not only how talented he was but his honesty , humility and what a sincerely kind person he was to everyone.Best..... Joe
A.D. DeLory , you have every right to be proud! A marvelous talent, and a great storyteller!
A tremendous gift my father gave me of music. I was so lucky to have had my dad come in on some of my early music tracks and lend help with arranging. How lucky am I? Here is one of my favorite tracks that I know he would have really liked. ua-cam.com/video/tmMTS1rpKTQ/v-deo.html 😃
@@addelory BTW,"By The Time I Get To Phoenix" was given to Glen from Johnny,via an Acetate,the Lp of "Changes",because He thought it sounded too much like "The Poor Side Of Town". The rest is History. As a result,Glen became friends with Jimmy Webb.
Jimmy later did most of Johnny's next Lp "Rewind" The 5th Dimension's first two Lp's and Richard Harris' Two Dunhill Albums "A Tramp Shining" and "..The Yard Went On Forever".
I’m almost 60, and I’ve listened to those three, and many more Glen Campbell songs for years and years. They all give me so much pleasure. Thank you.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s. I can't express in words how much Glen meant to me. Turn Around, Gentle On My Mind, By the Time I get to Phoenix, Wichita Lineman, Galveston, Try a Little Kindness... He was the background music of my youth. I didn't realize how important he was until he was gone. A tremendous loss to the world.
Wichita lineman has always been special to me. I remember listening to it as a child in the seventies, and that haunting sound always got me. I'm 54 now, and it's still my favorite from Glen, with Gentle on my mind being a close second. I love these interviews because as a musician myself, I love hearing how the magic of these great arrangements came together.
Jimmy Lewis
Same here Jimmy!
I get that same feeling with both those songs you mentioned
Well said sir. Same here.Even my brother a professional musician says the same thing...
Same here to , I love both those tunes , I love hearing all this history. I'm a drummer and I love all this great stuff, being 64...love so much from ELP - SABBATH- CAROL KING-THE TUBES- THE DOOBIE BROTHERS- KENNY CHESNEY- GEORGE STRAIT- ALICE COOPER- if there's talent in whatever good music I'm in....Played in country bands, rock bands...got a big catalog....
Having met Glen and seeing both him and John Hartford play Gentle on My Mind, this is one of the most pleasing behind the scenes music stories I’ve
seen on UA-cam. Great stuff.
How wonderful to hear how these timeless masterpieces came to be. This man is a music hero, saving Glen Campbell’s career.
He looks like he must have been somewhere in his 70s in this interview, but he still speaks with such wonderful passion and excitement about all of the great music he created.
Mar Thivierge yes, my father continued to have enormous passion for music.
Glen Campbell inspired me to play the guitar. When I was a kid my favourite tv show was The Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour. I loved it. I'd fidget and wait the whole week for the show to come on. I couldn't get enough of Glen Campbell. He was not only a great guitar player - and I mean a great guitar player! - and a great singer, he was a wonderful human being. God bless him.
Joe, how great is it that Al went to work at Capital! Was assigned to work with Glenn, then discovered Jimmy and his songs! Destiny at work! The rest was Musical history! Those recordings are icons that will never go away! As always, thanks!💫
Thank you as always Sir! The behind the scenes of the music we have loved for generations is so wonderful to watch and to realize now that we are older...WOW!!!! What a fantastic musical generation we had. 👍🏻🤣👍🏻☮️👍🏻
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Another great interview Joe. Al was hitting on all 8 cylinders with such clarity and passion. You caught him, not only on a good day, but at the perfect time in his life. Those early days must have been so exciting for these young guys.
It must have been great. Thanks for your thoughts and support... Joe
There is so much more that goes into the recording of a song. This background story really illustrates that. Glenn Campbell was an awesome talent and Jimmy Webbs songwriting really defined that talent. I love music and love listening to these stories.
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I love his life long passion for these great tunes. Glen couldn't sing a sour note if he had to. I'm glad I grew up during this period. It seems like I knew all the songs on the radio, be it pop, country, rock and everything in between!
I remember seeing for the first time the 45 RPMs for Glen Campbell's "By the Time I Get to Phoenix" and "Wichita Lineman." They were yellow/orange spiral (eye of the hurricane) labels. I knew who the singer was obviously, but I wanted to know the composer and especially the arranger (if it was noted). I remember seeing Jim Webb near the top and remember seeing "Produced, Arranged, and Conducted by Al DeLory." I wanted to find out who Webb and DeLory were, but there was no internet in those days. Wow, I really loved the arrangements, there were strings and full orchestration but not in that sappy elevator way. Not many people in those days cared who composers were, but I did. That was my intro to Webb and super arranger Al DeLory.
Historic back story for Al and Glen. Thanks for preserving these events in music history.
Al De Lory! what a giant!
andy mcgee So proud of my father.
Very Entertaining Content. . . Loving the Vault!
I love these albums, and that's probably the best picture of Bobbi Gentry I've ever seen!
it was made in Muscle Shoals at Fame studio. thanks again for watching..Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum Can't imagine my musical life without Muscle Shoals! Thanks again Joe!
That’s Boner material right there
Bobbi Gentry was a good looking girl for certain.
She certainly had talent in all the right places
There were so many Glen Campbell songs that I loved, with Al de Lory's arrangements. But my favorite is Glen's version of "It's Only Make Believe."
What! I haven't heard that. It's next.
The late Leon Russell was there as well!!
4:57 look how young he was there too wow
Two of the greatest songs of all time: Glen doing Wichita Lineman and By the Time I Get to Phoenix. Not to mention Galveston. Jimmy Webb is such a genius in writing a complete story in a few lines.
Jim Webb also wrote MacArthur Park , an awesome song in 1968, which was sung by Richard Harris.
Great combination, Webb and Campbell. They were both on top of their game in ‘68.
rhinestone cowboy was in it's own world , like red headed stranger, the gambler, etc
@@jgiese4115 There's a piece somewhere of Jimmy Webb telling the story of recording MacArthur Park with Richard Harris. It would seem that Mr. Harris insisted on adding an 's' to the word MacArthur making it a possessive. As the author, Mr. Webb takes issue.
Read Jimmy Webb's autobiography, Tunesmith.
Thanks for another great interview. Your work documenting these great artists is priceless!
great interview
Absolutely awesome!! Informative and enlightening... many thanks for sharing it with us.
Joe I know all this is hard work and requires time and dedication, but man I bet you had the time of your life on many of these interviews! Sitting there with true LEGENDS, being a musician and musical historian yourself...what a massive wealth of experience you've accumulated. I'm really really envious! Thanks for sharing all this with us!
Hi Jake..... it wasn’t for money so yes , it was fun or I definitely wouldn’t have done it. I don’t mean doing the interviews as much but just building the museum overall. This UA-cam deal is so new to me. I never expected to be able to share them with anyone who did not visit the museum. Anyway it always makes my day when I hear from someone like you who really appreciates them. Best..... Joe
This is truly a fascinating interview. Glen was on the launch-pad for success, but just needed the songs, right producer, and a push from the label. I was 12 years old, and had my first guitar when the Glen Campbell Goodtime hour hit the tv. I never missed it. The would always be a place in the show where he'd show his guitar skills....which always inspired me.
What a great story, and told by the fellow who helped make it happen, thank you Al. The song Wichita Lineman, is my all time favorite song by Glen, and I am not afraid to admit, it brings me to tears, almost every time I listen to it. I literally choke up, and have to hold back the tears, when I watch the video at work, because it means so much to me, for personal reasons. This song reminds me of my late wife, and how much I loved her for all time, and yes, I was in the cable TV telecommunications industry for a good part of my life, while I was married to her.
Thank you, Al, and thank you Glen (RIP), for the wonderful music you created for all time, as it is simply timeless...
This was a fantastic interview...thanx. Because of Al, many of Glen's hits incorporated some very beautiful arrangements.
I was thrilled to play trumpet
in his salsa band when I moved to Nashville in 1995...
As pop music was shifting from AM to FM in the late sixties, de Lory’s arrangements stood out on both radio bands. He is one of very few who knows how to write for strings, which can either bring life to a song or smother it in schmaltz. Great interview and even greater stories from one of music’s legends!
Thanks for watching Dr.... joe
Great interview Joe! Fascinating artist and career. Al wrote the MASH theme as well!
Actually, the MASH theme was written by a great movie/jazz composer, Johnny Mandel, but I think DeLory had an instrumental version of it that charted.
These archives are amazing, we can only say thank you for sharing these priceless Gems, we remain grateful
This Guy has such a way of expressing himself.
Bravo , these videos are great . Keep em coming
I had Glen's very first record.
It was titled Dreams for Sale bw I've got to Win, on the Ceneco records label out of Albuquerque NM from 1959.
I sold it on eBay and sorely missed.
I own all four of Al's full length record albums he put out on Capital Records, of instrumentals; "Al DeLory Plays Midnight Cowboy", "Theme From Love Story", "Al DeLory Plays Songs From MASH" & his greatest, "The Glen Campbell Songbook", where Al and his sound engineer obtained the original tracks from all of Campbell's songs, pulled down the lead vocal from Glenn and filled it in with Al's miraculous grand piano playing. I digitized these albums back in about 2004 and still play them today in full, uncompressed, PCM linear WAV files. At that time, when Al was still with us, he actually had and maintained his own website where one could email him...SO I DID!!! I asked him, if those four albums of his, from 1969 to 1971, would ever see the day of true digitalization from the 1/2" two-track master mix reel-to-reel spools? He said something to the nature of, "...thank you for the correspondence and interest in my music, but no time soon, will Capital ever put any future treatment into those original recordings." I wish I still had that email from him. I changed email servers a couple or so years back and lost it and I lost the print out version of it to, sorry to say.
I will ALWAYS love Al DeLory's talent & music. Always...
BCRadio
Great story.... you obviously know talent;) Best.... Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum Thank YOU Joe. I wish I could have met Al at some point in my life..
What really, really, really, confounds me...and maybe you know the answer to this question or maybe not...but in the recent film "Love & Mercy" (The story of Brian Wilson as basically told by Melinda Ledbetter); painstaking effort was taken to replicate & duplicate the Western Recorders Studio and use actors that closely resembled the actual members of "The Wrecking Crew". The producers did a fabulous job in finding the actors to play drummer "Hal Blaine" & engineer Chuck Britz, as well as the actress to play "Carol Kaye"; their likeness was uncanny. HOWEVER, the actor who was cast to play Al DeLory was very, very tall and had pitch-white hair! I had to play that part of the DVD several times and sure enough, actor Paul Dano (the Brian Wilson character) refers to that piano player in conversation as "AL". This confounded me. How in the world can they get THAT wrong? There was another actor that 'sort of' resembled what Al looked like back then, who did play organ in one part and percussion in another, but Dano NEVER referred to him as AL.
Anyways, just an observation...that probably nobody even took the time to notice or be concerned about...but AL was a VERY, VERY important, substantial & integral part of The Pet Sounds Recording Sessions and to get that wrong, kind of does an injustice...or perhaps...it was just a mistake by the casting director. Who am I to judge?
Well...back to listening to my four great Al DeLory albums!!!
Thank you Joe for hearing me out!
Your friend,
BCRadio
Fantastic snippet of that interview.. Thank You :)
I cannot think of a better song from the 60's than Witchita Lineman. It is perfect.
Great video, keep them coming
Thank you Ray... Best, Joe
you have the best video's on you tube!!! keep'em coming!!!
Thanks Patrick... joe
Joe... another wonderful treasure you have helped to preserve .. Many thanks !!!
Again.... thank you so much. Like I’ve said before it’s viewers like you that make it worthwhile for me to share these. It’s not pleasant dealing with the low life trolls that unfortunately also have found our channel. Thanks again..., Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum To us that appreciate these documented filmed ....... THANK YOU VERY MUCH Joe !!!
Another Gem Joe...Just fabulous stuff...I Love it!
the wrecking crew is a great movie.
Joe, this was extremely noteworthy. Viewing the Wrecking Crew movie. Watching, reading countless interviews and books, including Carol Kaye’s, you couldn’t go far without bumping into Mr. DeLory’s name. I love the little bits that add so much character to people. Such as Glen not liking the lyrics to “By the Time I get to Phoenix.” Things like that just add depth to a person.
I first saw Glen Campbell in the early sixties. He was in Ray Peterson’s (Tell Laura I love Her) band. I never heard of him. But Peterson brought him up to the front of the stage and introduced him as “Mr. Twelve String.” Then Glen played an instrumental and returned to his original place with the band. I was around 11, my mom took me...God Bless her!
Robert
Thanks 707... great memory. I’ve got one of Glen’s 12/6 string double neck electric Mosirite guitars. Best, Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum I saw that in one of your museum ads.....
Great great stuff. Thank you for this excellent interview. These guys are legends.
Very cool again. Thank you.
My gosh, this is pure gold. Just like the records! I've have never seen an interview with Al De Lory, so thank you!
Thank you too for watching Paul…. Joe
Fascinating interview...
Thanks.... Joe
I need to say 3 things, RIGHT NOW!
1 - Joe, thank you for always asking the RIGHT questions. That part about the lead, genius.
2 - Wichita Lineman is the single greatest record of all time. All the stars lined up perfectly... the writer, singer, producer and musicians. No one can ever top it and no one can ever record it better.
3 - "I need you more than want you and I want you for all time" is always the #1 talked about line whenever songwriting comes up. It is the line everybody knows by heart and wishes they had written. No one has ever said more in so few words.
I'm a big Glen Campbell fan and this was a very interesting interview. Thanks for posting!
Wichita Lineman is a slice of musical perfection. It was in my head for days after Glenn passed.
What a remarkable story I love Lineman but never had a close listen to Phoenix...that'll change very quickly Chock up another great piece of video thanks joe
I've heard that John Hartford made $100,000 per year in royalties from "Gentle On My Mind" for the rest of his life.
In 1966. MOTOWN thought about dropping Stevie Wonder from the label. Stevie didn't have a Hit since fingertips/1963. Motown Music Composer Sylvia Moy told A&R boss Mickey Stevenson. She didn't think it was over for then 16 year old Stevie. and went to work on the song UPTIGHT. it saved Stevie's career. AND THE REST IS MUSIC HISTORY.
Very interesting stories, Joe. All the details keep me fascinated.
Thanks again Lowell....Joe
Glen Campbell's WICHITA LINEMAN album is a pop music classic, thanks to Glen's endearing vocals and Al DeLory's brilliant orchestrations and production. Rest in peace, Glen and Al.
Let me mention one of the records that Campbell/Webb /DeLory did that is often omitted from these discussions..."Dreams of the Everyday Housewife"!! However one feels about the content being chauvinistic or whatever,it is a beautiful arrangement and production,very interesting tempo and harmonics...and just a little sentimental. Love it!
Love these backstories.
Thanks Buzz.... Joe
it would have been a huge mistake for capital to drop glen. if another company grabbed glen they would have regretted it for the rest of there lives ...keep em coming joe...
❤️ Joe C you are the best and you bring forth the best. So grateful for you and your love for all that makes music
Hi SeeSee… thank you again for watching our channel. Hope you, family and friends had a great Christmas and have a great New Year. Sincerely, Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum ❤️ It was a beautiful time of family and love. Hope yours was as well. Thanks always, Cindy Clark
Thank you Cindy……Joe
Long time since I wrote... You are the best interviewer. Just down to earth with knowledge...
Thank you kiss.... best, Joe
There are so many great and talented musicians that helped make other people 'stars'. I really admire these creative professionals, who were such Masters of their Craft, that they could work with any type of musical style.
For me, the recording "Wichita Lineman" (1968) by Glen and with arrangement by Mr. DeLory, is quite possibly THE.... and I repeat, THE.... most beautiful record of the Rock Era.
Amazing stories.
Joe, you’re a lucky man, what an opportunity to know all these talented people! the stories are always awesome!💫
Yes I was very blessed
Thank you Joe, I enjoy anything "wrecking crew" related!
Rob, my dad, Joe, passed September 28th-but I know he would have apprenticed your kind comment.
If you haven’t been to the museum you should visit- there is a awesome Wrecking Crew exhibit you would love.
Thank you for supporting the channel.
Best,
Britt
Thank you Joe for bringing all these wonderful stories about all my heroes from Americas musical genious that created a life time of joy and wounderful memories . You give them life and recognition so well deserved who they were and the fabulous contributions to the music of our lifetime god bless you sir in all you do enjoy every story that keeps there legacy's in the forefront of the great American songbook.
Very kind comments Roger…Thank you…Joe
Something of a coincidence: I was doing a management systems audit last week at a company that specializes in all aspects of electrical infrastructure provision. I was paying particular attention to the training records for high voltage linemen.
Most Excellent!!
Thanks Vic.... joe
it seems the best records are always the result of collaboration. another great interview Joe.
Thank you Kurt...Joe
Fascinating!
Thanks for watching Jamie…….Joe
So great
Wow! What a picture of Bobbie Gentry! ...I should have returned her calls!
Prayers and blessings being sent out to Nashville after the tornado hit yall so hard last night.😞
If anyway we can help...please. Let us all know! Many hugs and prayers being sent ya’lls way!!! ❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
Thank you Gal.... my family and museum are fine... Best.........Joe
After the first minute or two of this video I was about to turn it off, but as I listened a little more I began to understand what Al De Lory was saying about the early beginnings, of working with Glen Campbell. Sometimes you have to listen to that little voice in your head and go with your gut instincts. When he spoke about the song Wichita Lineman, his whole face changed you could see the passion in his eyes. My wife and I were lucky enough to catch one of Glen Campbell's last shows, it was in Reno Nevada a few years ago. He did a perfect show, his band was outstanding. He basically gave the audience what they wanted, several of his greatest hits, which I also appreciated that the songs, that he did he preformed them in the same style and fashion that made him famous. When the show was over you felt like your best friend was leaving. When it came time for the last song, you didn't want the show to end. His music brings back many good memories from M.H.S., who are my friends for life. Thank you Al for being there in the early years, things happen for a reason. Thank you Al and Glen...
It was Glen who changed the ending to By the Time I Get to Phoenix by changing the key, he thought it was a better ending rather than stay in the same key, as they had done all the way through the record, and he was right. A better musical conclusion.
11:02 "the guys all dropped their socks"
excellent
Great stuff thanks
Another fascinating story on the creation of great music--thank you Joe! 'We had the good fortune to, run into Jimmy Webb', lol!
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I think the video headline should have read: When Capitol Records Almost Made Their Worst Decision Ever! Because Glen Campbell didn't need anyone to "save" his career. If the label had dropped him, Capitol would have lost one of its biggest recording artists at that time, and Glen would have most definitely found greener grass! In the early 60s, Capitol just did not know how to pitch Glen Campbell (bluegrass? country? pop?) because Glen could sing and play just about anything as an early crossover artist with mega talents. (BTW, your Museum rocks and these videos are golden!)
Thanks for your supporting our channel and museum!!! Best... Joe
BringBackMyYesterday I think the point is that he wasn’t having any hits yet. Al DeLory and of course Jimmy Webb and John Hartford were the best things that ever happened to Glens career.
@@tomcoryell I hear you....Glen had a few albums and singles on the charts before 1967, but nothing significant, mostly covers. However, he had been enjoying a well-established reputation and career as a Cap Records studio musician. And, of course, Glen's remarkable ability to recognize a hit song when he heard one led him to recording Hartford and Webb's songs, the successful collaborations of singer and songwriter coming later. Could one say that Glen Campbell was the best thing that ever happened to Hartford and Webb? :-) Interesting to think about. Thanks for your comment!
Thanks
Let's drop Glen Campbell... He hasn't done anything for us. LOL!
Right on..... You better believe it....
Magic stuff.
Legend
Phoenix is one heck of a song. It is haunting.
You never fail to bring the "goods" Joe. Thanks.
Thanks GG....... Joe
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What year was this interview conducted?
It was 2008. Thanks for watching and your question.... Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum Thanks Joe.
11:02 - Well HELL-OOOOOO, Bobbie Gentry!!!!!! My, my.................
Al Delory: "The guy didn't really arrange it. He sweetened it." That seems disparaging of Jimmy Haskell (it it was ODE TO BILLY JOE)? Haskell made do with an odd string conglomeration and made the modern instruments sound like early rebecs and viols which had certainly a different appeal. "Politics" exists in every guild validation. Pure validation has to be very rare.
1:17 what the heck type keyboard is that??? a celeste maybe? harpischord? who is the maker?
Pretty sure that’s a early
Wurlitzer electric piano. Thanks for watching and supporting our channel... Best.........Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum thank you, brother!! wild looking, never saw one before.
This story shows that the music business works like any other business. Youngsters should take note and don't believe to be a muso or self appointed talent is a warranty of staying employed. Good PR is essential to stay in the game.
I've started to notice a spiritual side to these talents. All of them seemed to have moments of clarity and creativity. It just seems like their tapping into something. Something positive.
Thanks Bill…. I think you’re correct…. Thanks for such our channel……..Joe
My very first music video "Wichita Lineman": ua-cam.com/video/Xjcjm7ElqQA/v-deo.html
Great stories. Capitol is an interesting place to work. 😎🤪
Joe:
Do you have any interview that discusses Galveston?
No... sorry.... I just know it was a song about a young man in Vietnam , worried he might die and longing to be home in Galveston. Hope this helps a little... Best, Joe
@@MusiciansHallofFameMuseum
True, but it would be great to have a behind the scenes take on it, like the one on Wichita Lineman.
totally.... just not anyone left to ask that I know.... Best... Joe