Is The Jiu Jitsu Belt System A Scam?
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Black belts saying the belt doesn’t matter is like rich people saying money doesn’t matter 😂
or 6'4" dudes saying height doesn't matter
Or good looking people saying "looks don't matter just be cool "
I’m blue and I’ll tell you it don’t matter, I’ve been tapping black belts since I was 18 years old and a white belt and more military guys than I care to remember, yeah some black belts still beat me but it doesn’t matter, just train and get better
@@danila4322why you still a blue belt then ? lol belts don’t matter but I can tell from your comment that you are trash lol
@@danila4322 All you have to do is look at guys like Cole Abate, the Ruotolo bros, and Mica Galvao, who were destroying black belts when they were awarded their blues at 16. The belts are really awarded by time and dedication put in-- if you put in the time and prerequisite efforts that go with it, you should be awarded the associated belt color. You might not be a world champion purple, brown, or black, but you should definitely be able to hold your own, you know? Train like an animal, eat acai, and drink the watermelon juice, and you'll be a force to be reckoned with regardless of your belt color.
The secret is mat time. Higher belts usually mean you have more mat time, so there's a strong correlation.
woah no way
Mat time and muscles, which will also be a correlation. If you've been active in a martial art for a long while it is assumed your muscles for that art are developed
Also talent, what you do outside of the mat and competition experience. I have students that just like to train 1 or 2 times a week, for social and health reasons. But they will never be black belt.
I agree, up to a point.
Age and size are also factors. A 73-year old 160 lb black belt would likely get destroyed by a 23 year old 220 lb 3-stripe-white belt.
@@robcubed9557 i do believe that age isnt that big of a factor. A dedicated older person can still go to Black belt. But indeed you have to set expectations.
Can I make a suggestion for a similar, but different video.
What if you go up against different belts Without knowing what belt they hold.
I think this would make for an interesting video.
Prof Tyler is a legit Blackbelt, I doubt some reguler can tap him.
@@m5a1stuart83 Maybe so, but if he didn’t know what skills they held before going in, it would be interesting to see the outcomes.
Could he tell by each one who held what belt.
@@tigergreg8 todays blue belt is different the the past era, todays bluebelt std different too from every school. some bluebelt with 6 years of training or more.
if the kid learn from age of 6 and up to 17 years, he is still a greenbelt, and only got blue when he is 18 years old. 12 years of training and sparring.
@@tigergreg8rhe big difference is schools, not belts….
Guess the Belt! I love that idea.
In this episode Tyler trolls players at every belt.
Technical ability is not the ONLY measure. If I see a black-belt, I know that person has spent years of their lives dedicated to this thing. They've bled, sweated and broke themselves for it. If a blue belt taps them, who cares? That black belt, to me, is a signifier of dedication, knowledge and time.
I did not know you built gunpa! I saw the detolf in the background, and figured surely a man with a detolf builds gunpla, but I'm so overjoyed to see my suspicions confirmed.
You are truly more awesome than we ever could have known!
It is impressive to see your calmness and smoothness when you roll. Thats my goal im too much of a spas and gas out too fast! Nice post!
Great vid, your camera person ended up rolling with my daughter later. I didnt realize that you were a YT'er at the time. subscribed!
Good content bro. Doing this test at different gyms would be good to see overtime.
Would also be cool to see a video from you about cauliflower ear. How you got it, how long it took to get it, what are the pros and cons of having it. What to do to prevent it but also what to do to get it. Some people hate it and some love it so good to get both perspectives.
Going to other gyms is a great way to test yourself. Your teammates get to know your game and how to defend it. Going to other gyms you get to test yourself and yourself against people you don't know their games and they don't know your game. I would like to see you go against more black belts though.
Very clever with the ad there Tyler.. you both show rolling footage AND the ad.
Outstanding work Hangman 👍
One of your best yet, Tyler! I especially loved your Martin Luther King Jr. rant at the end. Feeling good this late hour, as a blue belt (one stripe) got my first "questionable" Black Belt submission tonight.
Jiu-Jitsu, .... all good.
this mans movement is unreal.makes everything look so easy
I said this 23 years ago that I don't need a belt to tell me when I'm good I will know when I am good. Having a ranking is good just as long as there is no sandbagging or fake Black belts.
Great vid tyler
W outro ⚔️
Is this a Troy reference about taking glory? @5:41 lol
Hey we’re you at grappling industries in Hopkins on Saturday?
Loved this video mate. Mat time is 100% the difference. A brown or black who has trained for 10 +years 2 or 3 times a week may struggle against a competative purple who trains 2x daily 5x per week. You made this look easy in any case.
The souls borne figurine goes hard
Enjoy the video suggestion can you make a video with lower rank belt but bigger in size stronger or more athletic to see if size and strength really matters
What about going back to only black (coach) and white (student) belts?
It matters to the person who got their hard work acknowledged when receiving the belt. That's the extent of the importance IMO. I love training with No Gi groups with very few ranked rashguards on the mats where I can just train and see where I stack up by rolling. I've actually found that not having belts on the mats often results in everybody rolling more productively because there's just no pressure to spaz and prove yourself compared to people with more or less stripes or different belt colors.
Great video
Great vid.
Tyler I’m minuscule in comparison and truly enjoy your awesome videos.. 🙌🏾🥋👍🏾
The belt system isn't imperical or conquering all but is marker to the instructor of the students ability to recieve instruction.
Also, that brown belt needs more details for his buggy choke.
My technical escape to the buggy is frame and uhh knee on face
Bro turned into Tyler Luther King at the end ☠️
I think belts matter, but the thing is, it’s about time time and training and rolling is what matters most
"as i finish off another man" is crazy 🤣
I just wanna say - I’ve rolled with some white belts and blue belts that have given me far more of a challenge than higher belts. Belts are fashionable if nothing else though
Id love to roll with you.. like I know we would have sooooo much fun, I would not get hurt, I could roll with you all day, get tapped 1000 times, and never feel if i was going to be injured, your so methodical, and nice, but also hard pressure.... I wish we had more people like you..
I wouldn’t say it’s a scam but there is no “constant” with belts. Everyone’s coach is going to be different. The same coach could have different expectations for different students. The only constant is years on the mat. Don’t let belts discourage you, just keep training
Belts don't matter, but they represent the time and effort spent training, which clearly does matter... Right?
When you look at a purple, brown, or especially black, at least you know this guys been around the block more than a few times, ya know what I mean?
@@greasebob you'd like to think so, but there are unscrupulous gym owners who are happy to sell promotions to people who have no idea how to grapple... So I get why they say belts don't matter.
I've only been a hobbyist for about 5 years. I think my belt pretty accurately represents my grappling skills on the mat. But I def know guys who grapple way above their belt.
@@magley64True, Ive heard of such things but never met anyone like that personally. Because I only trained in clubs and with MMA fighters with no one to belt me, I had 16+ years of gi and no gi jiujitsu experience before I stopped being a ronin and was awarded my blue. I grappled a competitive 2nd degree checkmat black belt to a 4-6 loss and popped his ankle tendons like carrots as a white/no rank in a NAGA expert class no gi match, I know first hand that belt colors mean little!
Black tuxedo bjj rash guard please ❤️
As a brown belt.. I can confidently say… at purple belt, black belts WANT to see your game; it’s a lot of give and take. But at brown… you’re almost there!! So now it’s the real pressure cooking
The thing is you can't prove your point by taking a little sample like this.
First of all, you should separate recreational belt and competitive belt. There is a huge difference between a blue belt who has his belt since 2 years, going compete every 2 weeks, train 6 grappling or jjb times a week + doing some weight compound exercices, young, explosive and "mean" in his style, and a chill dad black belt who go 2 or 3 times a week, who drill and slow spar all the time, who's not in the best shape, and even so he's doing this since 15 / 20 years, sometime the blue belt will just school him .. I speak from my own experience too, i can sometime have terrible intensity/difficulty against some blue or crazy purple athlete competitive belt, and sometime just chill and dominate against a blackbelt who's even tryharding and outgasing and lay for 1 minutes breathing heavy after our sparring cause he give it all.
Don't forget that knowledge don't always mean everything, when you have strong basics in all the main sequences of a ground game, you can counter a lot of technical subtilities from an experienced blackbelt by just standing outpowering him or refuse to go in some of his underground games.
For me , belt most of the time mean knowledge, as a teacher who can be good at teaching and transmitting but not necessarily the best in sparring or competing.
Off course it has some value to it, but not that much. an ELO system would be more accurate like on smoothcomp.
You also need to precise that every teacher don't give belt the same way at all or for the same criterias (some give it them out of your capacity of sparring / applying technique spar / compet / other just based on the assiduity, the knowledge, the time you wentt in the gym) . My teacher have for example a brown belt since 15 years and will slay a lot of the black belt he will encounter.
Also, don't forget that we're not all equal, some are naturally more good in some area than others. (im not talking about absolute determinism but for instance i have this white belt guy who already better than a lot of ppl but my dude went 15 years of rugby before going grappling)
Im not saying belt ranking has no value but some people just take it too seriously or like a perfect indicator of what you have against you. Or some people just put to much ego in the color of their belt and it can affect the efficacity of progressing in grappling (i remember in open mat this blue belt, now purple, who will never spar with lower belt cause he was scared of being tapped like if it was an absolute shame)
no need to precise that if your never tapping or being put in difficulty you probably doing something wrong in your training..
Also i'm not saying that putting yourself purposely in bad spots when your a higher belt to progress or let also the other work is a part of the game too and i don't talk about this side of the things
I’m a brown belt and belts don’t mean shit. Everyone is on their own journey, belts mean different things for different people.
Back in the day it really meant black beats brown and brown beats purple and so on
Now it’s very common to see blue/ purple belts who are competitive and train full time absolutely handle black belts who may train as a hobby or work full time. So yeah belts doesn’t mean much
Im 44 and was just awarded my black yesterday. Just like all my other belts, I feel undeserving of it. I currently work full time and train recreationally a couple times a week, first put on the BJJ gi in 1999. I would venture to say there is a rather large difference between myself and other fresh black belts such as Cole Abate, lol.
That's why as an average at best, run of the mill typical white belt I only enter competitions in the open class because I know that there is no difference between the brown/black belts and the white belts. They are the exact same except for the dye used in their belt. That is why as a mediocre, barely average white belt I have an identical win rate against brown/black belts and white belts.
@@russbilderback Your troll comment is very flawed. I never once claimed a beginner could beat competitive experienced grapplers in tournaments which is what you are alluding too.
General point is once you trained for a few years, especially if you train at hyper competitive gym, the gap between belts diminish.
it’s slightly different when it comes to higher ranked competitors because those guys are basically professional full time athletes, but majority of bjj practitioners do this is as a hobby despite being a high coloured belt but will regularly lose to much lower ranked belts who just train more and take it more seriously and it’s because of this I say belts don’t matter
@@squidguard1 my troll comment is exactly as stupid as people saying "belts don't matter".
While it is true that not all blue belts are created equal, or black belts or any belt in between, every person who is a higher belt would smoke their white belt self. While not everyone of a particular belt is created equally, and active competitors (even of lower belts) are a different breed, belts 100% matter.
@@squidguard1 competition is kind of a different animal, as training is basically those guys jobs. But any active competitor at black belt would destroy the white, blue etc version of themselves, even if they were elite at those levels. Just as a "hobbyist" blackbelt would destroy the blue belt version of himself.
People think that highly competitive blue and purple belts are better/more skilled than "hobbyist" black belts, but that's not the case. They aren't more skilled, they are just WAYYYY Sharper because they are competitively rolling Way more frequently. That is different than being more skilled. Danaher said as much as well. One may practice a LOT more and thus be sharper, but the idea that belts don't matter is delusional. Show me one black belt who isn't much more skilled than he was at white or blue and I'll change my mind.
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I thought there is no belt system in no gi?
I wish belts were abolished. Be like wrestling or boxing. Thus also avoiding world level athletes keeping competing at artificially low belts.
Like who?
I'm a white belt with stripe I take black belts down all the time it's all about technique.
It has to do with those things called practice and experience. Higher belt put in more years of training so often they are better.
Other than that the belt system is a scam to make non competitors feel good about themselves and they will keep spending more money.
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Belts matter in very general sense but there are quite few outliers and shiity schools that make you think it doesnt.
Please review Gracie Combatives 2.0
Curious your thoughts
Combatives is not for sport BJJ its for real fighting. Combatives is a beginner course designed to teach you the basics of how to defend yourself.
Put on the gi and do the same experiment
whomever says that are idiots. Never mind if it says how “good” you are. The point is ……1 year @ white……2 years at blue ….2.5 years at purple …..1year at brown…..and im 2 years at brown……thats 10 years of my life…….It a symbol of my hard work. Even if i had bought it myself id want it. its may trident……and few people can even get to purple…like i said…idiots
Congrats. Im 44, first put on the BJJ gi in 1999, just got my faixa preta yesterday. Just like my purple and browns, dont feel like I deserve it. When you just show up and train consistently, those belts will keep coming, lol.
Belts are just used to tell your skill level because it tells the instructor the skills and tells where you are at
Nice video
Showing up in an OnlyFans rash guard if you don't have an OnlyFans is like wearing a black belt you didn't earn.
Buggy defense> Buggy them back
Belts are completely irrelevant to wrestling. 🤔😆
I love your gunpla.
as some one has been training for ten months, belts don’t matter mat time and quality of both drilling and rolling matter. there are high level purple and brown belts i have been able to hold my own against, and there have been white belts who have smoked me.
I like Tyler.
years on the mat makes you a good fighter, the black belt you bought off amazon doesnt give you XP or a power up to super sayan. Theres no voodoo to it, just common sense.
It is not scam but not organized., In beginnig of 2000s generally black belts crushed 90 percents of lower belt. Because Sensei never fully opened bjj skills to lower belt. So higher belts generally beat lower belt easily. But after Media such as UA-cam has been developed so drastically, BJJ instructors started to upload advanced Bjj Skills for free, getting more subscribers. Naturally, for techniques, everyone can learn same skills, regardless of belt colors. So it is easy to see very athletic wrestlers who learn Bjj 1or 2years beat BJJ black black belt salary man who just train BJJ for fun 9 years. In my personal opinion BJJ= 35 cardio+35skills+30 strength. Wrestling 45 strength+35 cardio+20 skills. I cannot say BJJ belt system is not scam but is imperfect.
BJJ has become nothing but a scam. Most schools wanna milk the money so they don't just let people roll. They have time slots for that and most do 5 min rounds for "competition reasons" but some just wanna get better at the art. People can learn a lot more by training and rolling at a slower pace and avoid injuries much easier but schools don't make money like that. They have students roll with every belt and every weight and preach train "competition specific" that makes no fucking sense. They preach humble this and humble that but how humble are they when they always wanna be the one to humble others lmfao. I respect BJJ but truth is most blue belts w striking experience or even a solid wrestler with just boxing compared to a black belt w no striking equals a win for the blue belt or wrestler. It's highly overrated and belts aren't a ranking system at all. It's just a way to keep people paying the school.
I kinda wish there was no belts
That purple belt doesn’t seem that good
If you don't have a previous experience in wrestling - like 99% of the people in this sport don't, belts MATTER A LOT.
That brown belt is still a brown belt because he's relying on novelty BS like buggy chokes instead of learning jiu-jitsu techniques that are actually going to help.
A belt is a tool for holding your pants.
Belts show commitment to the sport not necessarily ability
Like I’m a white belt but I’ve also been wrestling for almost 20 years so it’s not the same
Aight, about to open my own school as a white belt. Sure it will go swell.
Chinese call it Gong Fu. Skill acquired over time with much hard work.
the belt system isnt a scam per se but the way the majority of academies today are run, learning effective technique is not the goal and thus the ranks are highly subjective. also the ibjjf is super biased and suspect, financially not practical
purple belt is sus
No disrespect but this guy’s didn’t seem too impressive noticing a trend here
There's always variables, like a black belt who has trained a couple days a week consistently for 15 years, competed early on but not anymore.
Would probably lose to a purple belt who trains 6 days a week and competes regularly, consistently and has done for 6 years.
This is exactly right-- even as great as Marcelo Garcia, Matt Serra, and JJ Machado were, there is a good reason they are not the current world champs anymore-- physicality has a lot more to do with BJJ than myth would have you believe. They 100% cant hang with the young early 20's world champs that have been training competitively the last 12-15 years, even being the masters that they are.
Yeah if we were all exactly the same and all have the same goals they don’t matter.
But………..duh
If you do jiu-jitsu every day for 20 years and still suck, you should be a black belt.
100% true, but the reality is, if you do it everyday, you might not be the best, but 99% chance is you'll be a knowledgeable mf and at least be able to hold your own. Always remember, Al Bundy is a black belt. If he can do it, you can too!
i wouldn’t call it a scam
it’s just a ranking system for time training
I’m so sick of these guests in Bjj always making these myopic assumptions like this…..You gotta problem with Belts? Go take it up with the Originators if it all!
He humble n train period!
Seems like your wrestling helped you more. You got all the guys down that I saw, I stopped watching after brown belt guy.
I stopped chasing the belt but I still respect the belts. My goal now is to pursue technique and be a good teacher.
Just stick with it and the belts will come, dont "chase" them. i know this from first hand experience.
Im a joe blow white belt but when I enter competitions I only enter the open class because belts mean nothing and only hold your gi pants up and therefore I have the exact same odds at beating black belts as I do beating white belts. I win many of the tournaments I enter. I have the same win rate against black belts that I have against purple belts, and against white belts.
Oss
Khabib mauls every blackbelt
Belts are dumb
It’s a business model. It’s definitely a scam a profitable one. Belts should not at all have a time limit to them they need to have a concrete examination process in which any individual can take the exam and if they pass they are awarded the belt but because every school has their own version of what qualifies you for a belt it’s mostly centered around time committed to the school meaning money. That being said it’s no different than giving a black belt to a 10 year veteran who isn’t very good and a blue belt to a guy who can crush everyone in the class and knows the material to the point of a black belt but isn’t being given the black belt due to the amount of time he’s had at said school.
The problem is that there are factors such as size/strength and age which can affect one's performance.
I've seen white and blue belts that muscle their way through instead of using technique. Conversely I've seen some female higher belts and have great technique but they've had their technique smashed through by a larger stronger less-skilled male.
@@robcubed9557 right which is why again it comes down to have a singularly format for belt qualification that is unrelated to physical attributes. It should be quite simply knowledge of moves and how to execute them properly and as you advanced you should be able to demonstrate more moves and understanding of how they work and how and when to execute them for example
Blue belt must have memorized the 32 basic moves and demonstrate them on a partner (who allows the moves to be demonstrated) and then a live spar where they use those moves shown to defend themselves since it is a self defense martial arts.
Then say purple belt would be 64 moves memorized and demonstrated then a live spar with a high belt where those moves are utilized effectively to defend ones self. Etc etc etc.
Hey man, I see you know a lot why don’t you go try to be a professional MMA fighter and fight real deal dudes man while making some great money.
One thing about the comment you made about your nuts in your his head man in my opinion that’s very disrespectful and remember that no one is untouchable man, stay humble and don’t underestimate anyone inside or outside the mat.
Well, this was pretty blatant clickbait for what amounted to random rolling footage