Before Korn: How Nu Metal Became Nu Metal
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For a brief moment in the late 90s and early 2000s, Nu Metal ruled the airwaves. Bands like Papa Roach, Slipknot, Deftones and Disturbed. With releases such as KoRn's Follow the Leader, Limp Bizkit's Significant Other and Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory, the genre had commercial clout, but critically fared less well. Nowadays the genre is seen as a cultural low point in rock music, a phase that it had to go through but still an embarrassing one. But to its credit, the genre fused together many different musical elements that had previously seemed incompatible, and moved us closer to the modern musical landscape where genre isn't really a thing anymore. But how did we get here? What steps were vital along the way? And were we ever fully ready for KoRn?
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What about Rage Against the Machine.
KoЯn 😎😎🌽🌽🌽
Yo my man keep the bboys outta it if you gonna do em that way
I would argue that whilst the Deftones came up around the same time as Korn, their sound definitely stood apart from that of Korn's, as did Snot's. I say this as a fan of all three metioned bands. You can definitely see the difference in the Deftnones sound compared to their peers at the time when they released White Pony,
yo,, can you share the script? the final few paras almost poetic and perfectly encapsulate why i love this genre.. i would love to share it...
I don't care if someone thinks Nu Metal is embarrassing. I love it and I still listen to it today.
I grew up on music like this and I will listen to it until I die
Hellyeah 🤘
And I love you
Agreed!! Fuck the haters
Nv Metal fvcking rocks
So harsh on the genre. It's not embarrassing. If you grew up with it, it's a big part of your musical life.
@Luke Robinett Hahaha there's definitely some funny stuff that's for sure :P
It is embarrassing. I grew up with it, but the difference was I recognized it as being metal without the talent, rap without the wordplay or flow. There are very, very few nu-metal bands that made any decent music, and even then it's a few songs here and there that are decent even by them.
You can love ridiculous things.
There are a lot of things from our childhood that were embarrassing. I grew up with this music too, and while I eventually warmed up to a few acts, I still thought the genre, as a whole, was not very good, but that doesn't mean you have to feel bad for liking it. If you like it, the music is there for you to listen to for the rest of your life, and no one can stop you from enjoying it. For those of us who didn't like it, at least that scene is over.
@@Capnsensible80 By this meaning, which genre isn't embarassing, classical music only i guess?
System Of A Down is probably the most unique sounding metal band ever. Nobody else sounds like them and they introduced me to metal. They hold a special place in my heart.
wow are you serious ?
@@hjillumi880 yes
@@hjillumi880 Who sounds like Serj or Daron?
I can't listen to system of a down. They bit you moan about capitalism in their interviews and shit like that and behind the scenes but they benefit from it by selling their music. I just can't get over that no matter how good the music is I don't support them
Faith no more's King for a day is one of SOAD's major influence. Particularly songs like Cukoo , Ugly in the morning and Get out.
The creators of this video seem unaware of how many people from younger generations are at Korn and Slipknot shows. Those are two bands that gain a new legion of fans every time they tour, bands that are not resting on their past accomplishments.
Fresh energy is still there.
Yeah, no
It was just marking the end of head banger music.
I think almost all of it is pretty terrible but I don’t think it’s wrong to like it, but I think Trash Theory are allowed to express their opinions in their own video. People are allowed to be upset with it also of course
But 1000x more kids go to mumble rapper concerts
Nu metal suffers from a symptom I think a lot of sub genres suffer from: a handful of great bands with way too many garbage ones.
The only good "numetal" bands were the ones that weren't actually numetal but influenced the trash tsunami that would happen later. Those were the ones way before Korn.
Every genre suffers from that symptom.
Problem with "good Nu Metal bands" is that those bands were only Nu Metal in a vaguest sense. Is SoaD, RATM, Slipknot or early Linkin Park Nu Metal? Maybe early Slipknot, but the rest not really.
@@JonathonTheAsshole can you name a few?
Kornholic Yeah, but some suffer more than others: For me personally, I think most grunge bands are pretty great. Post grunge is a different story. Also, i would say most thrash bands had some sort of appeal.
"Aaaaaawrr you readaaaaaayyy?!" changed my life.
Man. I remember the first time that I heard that opening on the radio! Still a Korn fan as is my son.
@@JDsHouseofHobbies i'm pretty sure you just answered to a really sarcastic comment
Fuck yeah man, Fuck yeah man.
1998 was the year I discovered metal and it "blind" that hooked me and "it's on!" that absolutely kept me. 11 years old and my little pre pubescent brain was splattered all over the wall
Oh Yes. I'm 37 I got through fuckin highschool thanks to them. Regards from Argentina.
Everything early 2000's is going to make a comeback over the next few years. The fashion has already made a comeback in the skate scene.
Time to dust off the ol JeanCo jeans and no fear tshirts.
It's been making a come back for quite a while now, lots of metalcore bands are using fusions of nu-metal in their music. Even deathcore as well, for example Deviloof from Japan with their song MFJAP.
I hope not, I’ve always really disliked the music and REALLY disliked the fashion especially, but there’s nothing wrong with liking it of course
This is the moment it came
@@arthurb6882 You hope not but it has already come for a year or so.
Nu Metal will always be my home, the genre I always return to. I don't care that it's seen as embarrassing, I love it.
I wouldn't take the negative attitude towards the genre in this video as the general public opinion if I were you,music purists and metal purists feel like they lose credibility if they don't say "'Nu metal was bad"
Best to ignore stuffy opinions and jam to the songs 👍
@@TonyHill2335you like nu metal? and Linkin Park and Korn
@@joaquinvaleri7022 Absolutely
@@TonyHill2335 Ok
I would argue that Pantera was also an influence to the Nu Metal bands, due to the whole groove metal thing that they popularized in the early 90's
I was surprised they weren't mentioned at all, tbh.
Agreed
I would go a step further back; Urban Dance Squad. RATM sited it as one of their influences
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Pantera influenced a lot of genres from Numetal, to XHardXcoreX, "metalcore". None of them really being that great.
@@swapsplat Because Pantera would need a full episode on just them. They were that IMPORTANT to Metal in the 90's.
I feel like numetal is a lot like grunge where it’s not really a genre, but more so a blanket term for “different” sounding metal bands who debuted in the 90’s
100% agree
Limp Bizkit is more like RATM rather than like Korn, and Linkin Park sounds nothing like System of a Down.
This
Yeah. It's more of a movement as opposed to a specific genre. For example like you said grunge; Nirvana and Soundgarden don't sound anything alike yet they still were part of the grunge movement. Same with nu metal. As opposed to say a genres like D-beat... You know what you're getting, fast Motorhead drum beats and riffs but with punk lyrics.
It was like an umbrella for everthing different in Rock
But Kid Rock, Orgy, Alien Ant Farm and Slipknot are nothing of a kind, still all were called Nu Metal
Hardcore is another example of a weird blanket term. Black Flag and Earth Crisis are both considered hardcore bands and they could not be more different.
Only now properly discovering at 17 years old. Safe to say this is the genre I've been looking for the entire time
Check out Deftones' early albums. Sooooo good.
Hit up mudvayne if you haven't yet.
my exact reaction, u never know u needed it so bad until u listen to deftones for the first time
Ill nino slaps. You're welcome
if you want something truly unique that involves rap and metal, look into Candiria, they're quite the band
Mr Bungle referenced for 3 seconds, but probably deserves a chapter in this video. Patton was forging the blueprint of numetal (for better or worse) through the 80s with mr bungle, culminating with their self titled which Korn credited much of their sound to “the bungle chord”
also slipknot copy pasted their imagery and behavior during shows
You like Linkin Park?
@@Eliel20117you like Linkin Park?
@@joaquinvaleri7022 not much, because the singing and lyrics are cringe, their instrumentals are pretty good
@@Eliel20117 i don't think the lyrics are cringe yeah limp bizkit lyrics are always cringe and misogyintic
Korn, RATM, Deftones, System of a Down are the best. Been listening to them for well over two decades now.
Slipknot?
@@teenageangst666 I can dig Slipknot.
@@spooly Linkin Park?
FNM owns them all though. Elements of all of them in their music. Listen to Angel Dust or King for A Day. All of them admit they love and were influenced heaps by FNM.
People consider SOAD as nu metal but in reality, they are nowhere near it.
I will never apologize for being a Slipknot fan.
Don't worry, I'll apologize on behalf of you. You little kids with terrible music taste. Go listen to Opeth and have your brain blown out by something more complex than a 2 string riff.
Slipknot are above and beyond.
and you should not, you maggot !
all hail the knot
@@soullessSiIence well slipknot sell out stadiums and host there own festivals , opeth couldn't do that if they tried.
As a kid in the late 90’s and early 2000. Korn we’re definetly not seen as cheesy up until follow the leader era. When clown, and blind and shoots and ladders were on mtv it was something totally new and cool
Your like Linkin Park?
@@joaquinvaleri7022 not a big fan of linkin park,
@@johnsun6418 well that is so unfortunately
@@johnsun6418 because Linkin Park is like Korn
@@johnsun6418 and you should like Linkin Park
Hybrid Theory is still amazing to this day. The first metal album I listened to and still one of my favorites, even though I dont revisit it much.
You should. I can sing along to that entire album rocking out to it in the car.
Like all genres there's a difference between good and bad nu metal.
It's all dumb music for trailer park losers. Just like Juggalo nonsense.
@@bivvystridents3752 fuck you. Anyone can enjoy music.
@@bivvystridents3752 lol, even the Juggalo "nonsense" is shockingly fun, if not completely silly. Nu metal is attractive to a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Im addicted to slipknot, and Im a city boy. Nu metal has a lot to love
Nah all nu metal is shit
Thrash 4 life
Richard Barnion Well I live in an actual house and I love Nu metal sooooo
Deftones and rage against the machine were and still are one of the most influential and best bands from that time. Plus deftones still make music today and its still fucking great
Deftones are definitely their own thing, not Nu metal though. Well in my opinion.
DEFTONES! yes yes yes you are correct
Uhhh I'm sorry but faith no more, and subsequently Mr Bungle are the best and most influential bands of that time because they literally inspired those guys^
Also mr bungle is just objectively amazing
Deftones Dsm deftones User Name and a Clip from an MSI Video as your pfp you have good taste 😌✨
@@splitsperm2769 🤘
It's crazy how Helmet - In The Meantime is just straight up early KoRn. You can really see where Head and Monkey got their inspirations from with Helmet and Mr Bungle.
Chapter One : Walk This Way 1:07
Chapter Two : Anthrax 4:35
Chapter Three : Alternative Metal 6:56
Chapter Four : Faith No More 8:26
Chapter Six : Korn And Beyond 14:33
forgot the chaoter five
12:33 90's Hip-Hop
Korn and System remain god-tier bands in my book.
Deftones? Come on man. I've seen them 26 times and will see them again.
Book of BULLSHIT!!
Korn sucks, can't stand their vocalist
And I can speak from experience Korn is better live today than they were in 2003
@Dimitra Kupraiou he's too whiny and some of his lyrics are cringe
You just called my whole 90’s playlist “embarrassing”...
Not really. The embarrassment started in the 00s when a million copycats took the stage.
Music snobs smh
i find funny these snobs that grow up with glam metal and super generic metal like montley crew looking down on Nu-metal
Hey man, if you were into dumb music... you were into dumb music.
I want you to go find a photo of yourself from the 90's and be embarrassed.
From 1990-2000 I was 7-17 which basically means 90's music defined my entire childhood. And I loved it ALL!!! Grunge, Nu Metal, Alternative, hip hop, pop, all of it. 90's music was off the chain
About Faith No More; they had gone through a few lead singers before Patton. In fact they actually wrote the music for their album Epic and Patton came in afterwards and wrote lyrics. His band Mr. Bungle is/was super eclectic. When it came to Angel Dust he was working with the band at all stages. Angel Dust feels (to me at least) closer to being a Mr. Bungle album rather than (classic) Faith No More. This lead to lead FNM guitarist Jim Martin to quit the band. I would say that Mike Patton is the godfather of Nu Metal like Neil Young is to Grunge.
The Mr bungle guitarist joined after Jim left
Slipknot is a gateway drug to more extreme metal genres.
You're not wrong
LOL my dad calls Slipknot super heavy :D (and screamo... ) By the way Slipknot is my most favorite band.
True for me, they’re the band that got me into metal, and now I listen to a lot of extreme metal
I agree with all of you. I wouldn't be listening to death and brutal slamming if it wasn't for Slipknot. I think they're possibly the best metal band of the 90's
I guess it is I listened to three days grace and rise against before I found them and now less than a year on I’m listening to Tallah and Jinjer (I know they’re not super heavy but it’s a big change)
I never understood what was so shameful and ridiculous of nu metal. It was a very creative sub-genre, it merged together several styles and opened your mind to different sounds in music (today, I can listen and appreciate every type of music, specially if it breaks a formula). Maybe hating nu metal is a US thing, because in Latin America and Europe, it's just another sub-genre that people listened to and appreciated.
I think in general you'll see in whole Americas a "superior" feeling for listening to metal, and you don't have to be a musician to know Nu Metal is one of the least technical genres. So that's the main hate of metal heads on Mexico (where I live) towards Nu Metal.. which is stupid. That's my theory. In Latin America fans are just very loyal (like myself) which make Nu Metal concerts to happen.
Ftw nu metal till i die
@@hivkorn2371 wow wow wow ,hold on there.ur telling me wes borland guitar,joey jordisons drumming and daron malkians guitars are not fucking technical.?????u ever hear that solo at the end of lonely day GTFOH straight haterism u wrong fool
@@adamwalkeraw using an exception as an example means absolutely nothing. On average (and that's being generous, it's more like 90-95%) it all sucks ass and isn't technical. Just because you know that some are good doesn't mean the rest are good
Nothing was, Fred Durst just rubbed too many people the wrong way. That was the end of it. If you've had the missfortune of being ropped into one of this arguments and actually start getting into specifics you end up with just someone who hates Fred Durst, thats the bulk of it. PS: Big fan of Nu Metal here.
The late 90s and 2000s was such an amazing time period.
I really love the fun factor of nu metal. You could dance to it, express your anger, rebel against anything you dont like and still have fun with all the groovy whacky stuff. I totally dig it. And it actually helped to get metal back into the game. I was 12 when i heard "Nookie" the first time in '99 and damn, it changed my whole lifestyle! Its like being part of something bigger and watching it grow, like the rock bands of the 70s. That was an awesome time to be alive! You had also some bands like The Prodigy, who broke the mold of the whole music genre and pissed on the entire mainstream with songs like "Firestarter" or "Breathe". That was so cool and kinda new and exciting, extreme and somehow vulgar because of the whole anti image. Music for outcasts, for people who didnt fit in, for guys that got bullied in school and had fights with their parents (like me). Its was something else back then.
I think Faith no more was the first band that really tried something so untypical, combining funk, metal, alternative, hip hop and making something wild and new out of it. They really deserve a lot of credit for breaking the ice for most bands who were stuck and opened the doors to something new and unacceptable by the metal fans. daring to fail, daring to be not accepted by the masses for what they do.
My favorite Albums are:
Korn "Issues"
Static X "Wisconsin Death Trip"
Kitty "Spit"
Mudvayne "LD 50"
Coal Chamber "Self Titled"
Orgy "Candyass"
Cookie!
You like Linkin Park?
And also the prodigy is a big beat band not a nu metal band
And hey watch your profanity because you say the a word
@@rupertpumpkin5388you like Linkin Park?
Never really thought of System of a Down as NuMetal but I guess they are. I just feel like they are so unique and awesome. Never gonna be a band like it.
Same. They're way better than some of these bands they're being lumped in with.
Serj Tankian doesn't rap a lot. He usually just uses frenetic shouting
Honestly there’s basically nothing nu metal about soad, the closest thing being serj doing fast spoken lyrics
"Nu Metal" is just a catch all term like "grunge" that is used to label any band that had even a slightly similar sound at a similar time.
try Maximum the Hormone for a band with a similar sound
Hybrid Theory is a perfect album, I listen to it all the time and its 20 years old this year. Means as much to me now as when I was 12.
Meteora too.
Well said
Hybrid Theory and Meteora were perfect albums
For the record I was a like 4th Level Mage Werewolf Linkin Park HATER. Over the years I've come to believe that, if nümetal is really a thing, like for Real, then its Essence is Hybrid Theory. Followed pretty closely by Evanescence's 1st record.
What’s crazy is that Korn and other bands were competing with Brittney Spears on TRL. It’s crazy looking back - seeing bands with guitars tuned down to hell - was accepted with standard pop. That doesn’t happen these days.
After being in the death metal and hardcore scene when I was a teen and young adult, I gave Korn another nostalgic listen and it blew my mind with how hard their tracks went.
On that note, Korn, POD and Deftones forever. And I will fight anyone who thinks differently.
POD new album in a couple months.
POD new album in a couple months.
Just like any other genre. You have innovators and imitators. Bands that define the genre and those that jumped on the bandwagon. I’ll always hold a special place in my heart for bands like Korn, SOAD, Deftones, Faith No More and RATM.
Damn straight. I think it's kind of sad no other bad has taken up the RATM mantle as decidedly, unapologetic-ally anti-government. This was quite common in the early Punk scene too. But I can't find anyone who has done anything similar in the past decade.
@@zpettigrewFever 333 is the closest I can think of
You like Linkin Park?
The one part of this video i can get on board with is when he shows examples of people jumping on the bandwagon like Kid Rock
But everyone coukd see at that time it wasn't even in the same galaxy as the rest of these influential bands
I actually refuse to call Korn "nu metal" because it was just another one of thoae trendy terms someone came up with to put them in a box and slap a label on it
Korn is Korn, never was and never will be another like them.
Just like RATM will always be who they were - nobody else could ever be like Zack and the rest of the band... ive heard some amazing covers and tributes; but none will ever BE that raw original power they had.
If anything this video hust makes me want to start playing my whole "nu metal" playlist rn to get this garbage outta my head that i just watched
@@NolanHolladay you like Linkin Park?
Nu metal, specifically linkin Park got me into the harder genres so I can never turn my back on it for that reason alone.
Same
Linkin park are my all time favourite band r.i.p Chester
I was all Simon and Garfunkel, light alternative etc. Until Toxicity by System of a Down came out. Then went Disturbed, Linkin Park, etc. Funny I still ignored Korn even though I knew some of their songs until I heard Shoots and Ladders a couple years into getting into the harder rock. Then I went full Korn. Saw Korn in concert with Linkin Park and Snoop Dogg in 2004.
Sure you can.
True. Worked the same for me. Even though now I can recognize most of LP's music as cringey and "could be better", I just cannot turn my back on it. They're still one of my favourite bands and I'm not ashamed of it.
Hating Nu-Metal is a meme by now. Hybrid theory is still great
Yes!
Linkin Park and Papa Roach were the worst shit to come out in that era.
Jim Garrison Hardly. In my opinion they were the best that genre had to offer. Hybrid Theory, Meteora, and Infest are all incredible albums. Korn is too dark for me, I like some of Limp Bizkit’s stuff but for the most part their lyrics are childish and immature, and I can’t understand 95% of what Chino Moreno is saying on any of Deftone’s songs. Linkin Park and Papa Roach’s music was centered around these loud and energetic riffs, with lyrics that had some meaning to them. For me there’s really two different types of Nu metal: what Linkin Park and Papa Roach put out (one could argue Limp Bizkit could be included in that category), and what Korn put out. I’m a fan of the former
Meteora is BETTER!
@@sydberetta4649 Nah
The list of bands leading to Nu Metal was seemingly the soundtrack of my life from high school on. I never realized just how much influence so many bands I adored had to do with Nu Metal's birth. I still swear FNM's Angel Dust IS the best album I've ever heard, and I still listen to it religiously and have since it came out.
Fantastic video (and channel) but one oversight - Chuck Mosely era Faith No More. He was one of the earliest (if not outright *the* earliest) vocalist to mash rap into 'alternative' and rock. The band's first album, 'We Care A Lot' released in 1985 features Mosely's vocal rap-singing hybrid stylings a *full year* before Aerosmith and Run DMC. In retrospect, this means Faith No More's contribution to music is not just substantial. It's HUGE. Chuck was an absolute legend. May he rest in peace.
great album too
I think you missed the huge influence Alice in Chains had on the genre. Should have definitely been mentioned when you spoke of Drop D tuning. Not only Alice's sound, but their vocal style as well. A high percentage of the bands in this genre, 20xx era specifically, sight them as an influence and have covered their songs.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of Nu Metal, but I do like some of the bands associated with the genre. Alice is my favorite band of all time. The Deftones and Rage will always be personal favorites.
Pretty much all of Godsmack was ripped from Alice in Chains, including their name
You named 2 of my favorite bands. Alice In Chains (mostly the older stuff with Layne) but I dig the new also, and Deftones. Chino is amazing. Tool is somewhere in that top 5. Good taste, cuz.
Lol my two favorite bands are AIC and Deftones. You're right tho, when he mentioned Drop D's influence the first thing i thought of was Alice. It makes sense. Alice In Chains has toured with Deftones and they're currently on tour with Korn right now. Its all connected. Not huge fan of Nu metal honestly, I personally dont consider Deftones nu metal. They're alternative metal, especially when you look at their entire discography... Adrenaline was kinda Nu Metal i guess.
Slipknot is just about the only band still making shit from this genre.
Also the sound and lyrics of grunge were a huge influence on nu metal
So impressed with the inclusion of Faith No More. They're hugely underrated and highly overlooked.
Faith No More are their own genre.
Indeed
Faith underrated? Have you ever been to a Faith concert? I've seen them both in Australia and Japan. They managed to attract the same kind of crazy fans from such different cultures all the time, huge venues full of them. Angel Dust was the soundtrack to my life in '92 and '93.
Bren K preach it’s sista
Cynthia Jones haha mate, don’t tell me what to do.
Urban Dance Squad are much forgotten but they were among the first to combine funk, hip hop and hard rock and did it well. Gang of Four were also seminal. The Judgement Night soundtrack compilation album was also signifant.
I didn’t watch the video yet. He missed all those?
“Combine hip hop and hard rock” so cringe
Funny story about Faith No More's cover of Easy: They were gonna thrash it up and make it heavy, but Mike Patton said that, by playing it more like the original, it sounded more Satanic. Faith No More has an awesome sense of humor!
KoRn
Deftones
Coal Chamber
Primer 55
Limp Bizkit (1st album)
Mudvayne
Spineshank
Soulfly
Slipknot
SoaD
Dope
Papa Roach (1st Album)
Hed PE
Fear Factory
Sevendust
Disturbed
Mudvayne (1st album)
Local Band Crayon Death's album 3:16
Been listening since I first heard Jonathan Davis say "Are you ready?" 36 years old now
Charles McClellan same here XM ch 41 🤘... im 41 and saw all these bands coming up... many times in small venues before they were really known ... still jam Blind when i work out , gets me hype every time
Mudvayn 1st album should at least be above Papa Roach.
No Linkin Park? Cmon man smh
no RATM
Static-X should be on that list
I still don't understand why nu metal has such a bad reputation. The music has to be good if I as a 30y old woman still listen to bands like korn, slipknot, trapt, american headcharge, dry kill logic and many others... 1995-2010 were the best years... Jonathan Davis of Korn has been working non stop without taking a break since the 90s.. That man is a beast.
Are you really saying that the music you like HAS to be good because you still like it? I wish I was dead.
It's trendy to hate it because it was so popular, and has nothing to do with an actual quality of the music. Whole my life growing up I've been made fun of because I loved Korn, usually by the elitist "true metal" fans. Funny enough, those people now listen to Korn as well. And I still cannot stand Nightwish because of it's fan base. :)
I had a friend who was a metalhead and told me why he hated nu metal. His reason was mostly because nu metal was mainstream.
@@Creed_fan_69 well it wasn't some kinda awkward phase. Besides people still think bands like korn and slipknot are great so.. 15 year olds like them, 30 year olds like them.. The music speaks to people of all ages basically. I bet there are some 40 something year olds who still love nu metal.
@@allidoiscry4119 im 40 and still listen to it..
I'll always love Korn's first album. Definitely didn't consider that album nu metal or BS rap rock. That shit was just heavy. That first album certainly doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the likes of limp bizkit
wtf are you talking about, Korn and limp bizkit are kings of the nu metal family. If you want fake nu metal then go listen to Papa Roach
@@nickelcreed4421 Papa Roach made some good stuff tho
@@regrubcivals2954 I gotta disagree. Papa Roach was absolute trash.
@@DeadPixel1105 I mean, I don't listen to them a lot and usually I don't like them, but I have a couple of their songs in my playlist
Nu metal can be heavy
*I consider Faith No More and RATM and Deftones to be Alternative Metal. Angel Dust was the first rock album I owned.*
*I tried to get onto Nu Metal but it sounded like suburban kids complaining about how good they had it.*
Honestly Nu Metal gets a bad wrap by critics only, in my head. I grew up in that era and most core people enjoyed almost all of the bands. I don't think it was a cultural low point. Perhaps those that saw it for the fad are the ones to turn on it, but those that enjoyed the grooves and pure energy of it all, would still defend its worth in history.
True words couldn't have said it better myself
@Jah Jah King I think hair metal sometimes suffers the same fate in terms of haters. There were goods from that era/genre too!
If you wanna talk about a low point I'd say disco, or most modern pop
Frankly, nu metal will always be my favorite genre. I grew up on Linkin Park and Evanescence, and I still listen to them, and the nu metal influences in the recent releases by Linkin Park, From Ashes to New, and Bring Me The Horizon are very nostalgic for me.
Dude you made me laugh so hard I pissed my pants. Linkin part and evanescence lmfol….
Evanescence isn't really considered Nu Metal, and Linkin Park are now over, tragically
Meteora and Fallen were easily the two best albums of 2003, idc what anyone says. I think some bands get stigmatized for reasons unrelated to the quality of their work
When people apart of bands responbile for the genres creation hate it pantera faith no more ratam hate it then it probably sucks
@@amandico25 the others are metalcore/deathcore
I'm glad to see that Nu Metal is now more fondly looked upon and that it still influenced modern culture which also proofs that Nu Metal never was "the worst genre" and that it actually always ruled. Ofc there was certainly some things in the genre that didn't age well but a lot of it still holds up and is just effective today as it was back then. It's a genre most of us especially when we were younger could resonate with it spoke to the group of people and the group of youngsters who suffered and I think that's incredibly important especially in this day in age were most of mainstream radio is plagued by "artists" talking about how great their life is and how successful they are and how people who don't have that aren't worth anything. Nu Metal will always have a special place in my heart and I will always love it and listen to it that stuff literally makes up over half my music library. Nu Metal is love. Nu Metal is life.
I vividly remember the first time I heard Korn. It was 1994 and I was 13, and me and my buddy would watch this on-demand music video channel called The Box. We'd watch anything and everything that they played. One day Blind came on, and we were leveled. We were already into bands like Metallica and Megadeth, but I always felt like i was late to the party with those bands. It felt cool to have the feeling that we were there at the creation, something I missed with Metallica, which is still the reigning champion as my favorite band. But at the time, bands like Korn, Coal Chamber, Deftones, etc. was just something totally new that as teens we felt we had stake in.
IF MY PARENTS CAN LIKE 80s HAIR METAL BY GOD I CAN LIKE THE NU METAL OF MY YOUTH.
Same goes with disco in the 70s. It's the music industry's fault. They find something that is popular and clone the few good artists and overfill the market until people are sick of it. See Disco, hair metal, Grunge, Nu Metal. I don't know what "trend" was killed next, as I stopped listening to new music in the mid-2000s.
@dooder Whether or not you liked them, Creed was made up of legitimately talented musicians that wrote inspired songs.
I'll stick with Soundgarden if I wanna listen to good grunge music.
same thing
The Beastie Boys where making hardcore before they made hip hop
Were
Kevin Stubbs are we
For about 5 seconds.
NY Hardcore or just HC
Greg Farley it was hip hop / punk
Just discovered your channel. This is only the second video of yours that I've watched but just wanted to let you know that your analysis is incredibly on point. You've gained a fan.
I was the perfect age to fully embrace Nu-Metal. I loved it. I'm sure Beavis & Butthead were as much an influence on it as anyone else too.
I hate beavis and butthead because i hate family guy ok?
And it suck bro
And please don't ruin nu metal ok?
And sorry for ruin nu metal
But not those garbage cartoons ok?
Sucks to hear people apologizing and distancing themselves from some of my favorite music.
All that matters is how the music makes YOU feel. Not my genre but I felt for what you said.
It's cause at this point and time it's a really cringe genre
@Balloon Fighter well yeah lol
What helped KoRn was relatability. As a person who went through a lot of what Jonathan Davis did, it always helped me to know somebody suffered the same way as me; and furthermore, expressed it the same way as I would have when I was a teenager. 'Daddy' remains a tragic, beautifully haunting song. As do the best songs of KoRn's ouvre.
Even if it's not the most technically proficient or eloquent in expression, nothing compares to it's raw, emotional power.
The hardest thing to do as musicians is to make "noise" work. Thats what Korns entire first record was. They had a natural kink for making the most unsettling chords and dissonate tones mesh into something that could be listened to and, to ANY listener, be interperated as a song. Its why newer korn is a lot more melodic, they got signed and their music production was amped to make it more precivable to an even wider audience. But that first record proved a lot of what they were capable of, even if they themselves had no idea what they were doing.
"Are you ready?!". Apparently not,. as I was blown away!!!
The perfect sound!
I went to every Zetafest and concert I could, LOVED these bands, and it's still weird to me that I don't know large swaths of these bands' music. But back then, you had to be able to purchase albums to listen to the music (I could never figure out Napster and was against stealing music) and today you can just listen to everything on Spotify. But back then, being able to listen to those albums meant SO MUCH.
Numetal is my one of my favourite genres of music. It's a shame some people see it as a low point in the rock genre
I dont get it why they call it the worst or the lowest. This is the time i loved rock music the most, this is the time rock was introduce to me. Its my childhood.
Emo Rock is waaaaay worse! The emo rock wave of the mid 2000s killed rock radio for me! I can barely distinguish emo bands from one another musically, unlike in nu-metal! I will ALWAYS prefer nu-metal over emo 24/7/365!
@@kyleicp4206 2000s emo rock was great wdym
I personally think it had something to do with watching my fellow suburban peers suddenly walking the line between comfortably middle class and hollow anger...while I listened to punk because, musically, it was like a live wire to my soul, it seemed there were so many "posers" in my high school who I didn't even believe LIKED nu-metal so much as wanted to "fit in by not fitting in" by wearing backwards red baseball caps like a uniform. That's pretty embarrassing. I could not relate at all to the nu metal vibe for the most part, even though I loved "Follow The Leader". So I didn't think that feeling the vibe was a real thing, therefore those who liked it weren't real (in my mind back then).
Nowadays I can listen to it and get why it was enjoyable, and enjoy much of it myself, so far removed from the heat of it's stylistic takeover. Orgy's "Stitches" was on the radio last night and I was like "this is pretty awesome, it's like some modern Depeche Mode with a kick" before realizing who it was. So the music won out...and it wasn't embarrassing. Just my thoughts on why it was viewed as a "low point".
Agree
Honestly, Nu Metal is worse than the emo scene. The music alone makes me cringe harder for the fact that it tries to be serious. There is one album I liked though...Slipknots self title which was really damn good, too raw...too heavy and fast to even belong in Nu Metal but...
I state this as someone who listens to Cannibal Corpse, Bathory, Megadeth and such.
Nu metal makes up the majority of my music playlists, mostly Slipknot. I couldn't care less what people think of the genre. It's great imo
Join the club...
My daughter's gma went to this horror convention thing and Corey Taylor was there. He was signing posters of himself. She said she was grounded there bc my kid keeps talking back. My kid does have a mouth on her but in her defense, her gma is impulsive, a liar, intolerable & mentally ill. I kept her w/ me for some days while she was out there, idk, "living it up." She became this gross hoarder after the gpa passed too and tries to blame the grandkids for all her mess then tells them they need to clean it. Its a really long story, our situation.. Anywho, Corey Taylor said to not give her the poster until she gets ungrounded. My kid likes to wear some slipknot shirts. Her aunt gave them to her. That's the aunt her gma denied for quite awhile till she was was well beyond her young adult yrs. But just ha @Corey Taylor getting all parental on my rugrat.
This was one of the best times for metal, and since then it never really came back.
Slipknot has elements of thrash metal, groove metal, death metal, alternative metal, metalcore so it's just modern heavy metal not nu-metal 👍
At least you’re doing your own thing. To each their own, brethren. It’s definitely nostalgic as I’ll go watch a music video or listen to a song that’ll remind me of things I would’ve never remembered without. I still love Deftones very much but I think they were one of those bands that got a pass unlike say Korn/Bizkit. Bizkit got beat the fuckkkk up after the nu metal wave. Very strange how those 2 were so popular yet right after said wave folks wouldn’t be caught dead claiming to like ‘em. It was almost like the skateboarding/punk (pop punk for mainstream) came in and it was over for nu metal. Now pop punk is out as well. Shit I feel old now. Haha
This is the best mini doc on nu metal out there, it covers everything, all the origins are there. Very good job!
Faith No More were probably the biggest influence in nu metal's development. Korn, RATM, Deftones, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, etc, were all influenced by FNM
everytime he said embarrassing or something negative staind was being shown lmaooo i have to lAUGH
Gawd, but like Staind was so meh. As well for the longest time I couldn't tell the difference between Godsmack and Disturbed.
How the hell Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Linkin Park and so on is a low point? Those bands was awesome for a time.
haters bro! I mean i could see why ppl didn't like Limp Bizkit ( I personally always liked them) but to call it a low point is bullshit. If anything the low point is now. All these mainstream bands dont even play instruments anymore. Its all computerized beats and a bullshit features.
Results may Vary selling as good as it did was a massive low point for metal as a whole as it proved how formulaic whining over a simplistic hard rock to metal instrumental could sell better than actual original music even though Slipknot, Linkin Park, Deftones and System of a Down and some of Korn’s discography was the only real high points for Nu-Metal for me in a sea of complete shit such as Fred Durst’s abysmal songwriting in general (even though SOME of Chocolate Starfish as much as the album title itself is a perfect example of the immaturity of a lot of Nu-Metal with the poster child referring to himself as a Chocolate Starfish which sounds like something I 6 year old would want to become when it grows up is defendable with Rollin being the only song I refuse to accept as at least passable)
drugs
Angst and "sounding heavy" were their only appeal, ESPECIALLY Limp Bizkit and Korn. Slipknot and Linkin Park had decent musicianship, but were still kind of cringey.
Korn is fine, Slipknot is mostly good. Linkin Park is fine (at least their first couple albums) but they overshadowed so many more talented bands that never blew up big like they did, which is why I was never a huge fan.
But Limp Bizkit deserved every bit of criticism they got, because they were and are crap. The single worst band in the entire nu metal genre.
Favorite alternative metal albums in chronological order:
1. Bad Brains - I Against I (1986)
2. Faith No More - The Real Thing (1989)
3. Faith No More - Angel Dust (1992)
4. Hemet - Meantime (1992)
5. Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine (1992)
6. Quicksand - Slip (1993)
7. Helmet - Betty (1994)
8. Korn - Korn (1994)
9. Faith No More - King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime (1995)
10. Deftones - Adrenaline (1995)
11. Deftones - Around The Fur (1997)
12. Glassjaw - Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence (2000)
13. Cave In - Jupiter (2000)
14. ISIS - Oceanic (2002)
15. Glassjaw - Worship and Tribute (2002)
16. ISIS - Panopticon (2004)
17. Deftones - Diamond Eyes (2010)
18. Deftones - Koi No Yokan (2012)
19. Glassjaw - Material Control (2017)
20. Deftones - Ohms (2021)
Quicksand, Glassjaw and Bad Brains are alternative metal?? They're hardcore/post hardcore bands!
@@matthewackermanaski9687neither! Bad Brains is Punk Hardcore with reggae influences
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I find it interesting that "Static X" only got a passing mention.
There were plenty of the top tier nu metal bands that didn't get any at all
I've been playing Static X music every day for the past few weeks. The first album is one hell of a workout motivator. RIP Wayne, you were a fking party legend!
And 0 mention of POD or ill Nino
Wtf?
I’m with stupid :)
I loved nu metal and still listen to it to this day.
And that's why you dont listen to good music
Ian Good can you show me some please :)
@@paveldatsyuk7175 look on my channel at play lists
Ian Good there’s no nu metal :(
@someone mcsomeone that's embarassing
Great work on this video! Really enjoyed it.
I was 13 when Aerosmith and Run DMC strapped in their Adidas. Just the right age for that era. My music taste evolved just the way described here. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Rage it was great stuff, cause I (we all) where man at our fathers. Also the movie Judgement Night featured this rock rap combo in the soundtrack.
This was also all set in the backdrop of the looming Y2K, as we called it. There was indeed a nervous angst in the air. It all came to a head too as the top 2 movies in 1999 was:
The Matrix and Fight Club. The final scene of the latter closed its credits with RATM! How symbolic.
One other thing worth noting of that climax time is of course: Woodstock 99! ... Thankfully, I was not there, but i would have fit right in with the incident.
Again great work. Spot on! Look forward to checking out the channel!
hybrid theory and meteora are classics and I appreciate even though you critiqued the genre overall you did seem to appreciate a good few members of the movement too, including mike and the boys :)
I don't think nu metal was embarrassing, the first time I listened to Meteora I fell in love with music, I have a really great memory about those years
What's to be embarrassed about Faith No More? Anything that followed their lead is gold. They're the most underrated band of all time.
The ones embarrassed are the ones rhat didnt fit, and didnt fit anywhere else because they are some purist haters
Only people who gives a fuck what other people say will be embarassed listening to Nu Metal genre. Me Im so proud I still enjoy and listen to Nu Metal songs up to this day and till i grow old.
God, when can I not be hated for liking Korn? xD
Never. Its fucking shit past the year 2000
... yup
Korn are Rap Metal gods fuck the haters.
There latest album the nothing is awesome.
@@forwatching6708 That my friend is factz
I’m 37 and randomly decided to start listening to Korn for nostalgia purposes a couple of weeks ago. I started to volunteer at a high school for a music camp and I was so surprised how many kids were wearing korn shirts and making korn posters.
KoRn was my favourite band! Honestly, I regret nothing of my nu-metal phase
KORN ARE AWFUL
The thing that made Linkin Park completely explode nu metal was Mike Shinoda wasnt just rapping cause it was cool. He was doing it because he was a literal student of the game. Dude grew up with the Golden Age and knows how to actually rap, which was rare back then for Nu Metal bands to have.
Lets calm down now, he’s okay, he’s no MF DOOM or Kendrick.
@@cmslipknotfan13 No one ever said Mike was MF or Kdot MC level. Mike is nice on the compare to other Nu metal rapper?
A lot of people seem to hate on "nu metal" but if that's what korn is. Idc. They're my favorite band. Mostly bc of the singers voice. I'm not that big on bands that generally get compared to them
If you like korn give Angel Dust a listen. That album influenced korn and Deftones a lot. JD loves Mike patton. Songs like everything ruined and kindergarten are catchy. You got rougher songs like jizzlobber, malpractice, ugly in the morning. Then soft songs like strip search, evidence. I love korn also they were and still are one of my favorite bands. They helped me a lot growing up. Being abused jamming to their music as kid helped me through it. I listen to them still but maybe once or twice a few days or less. FNM album angel dust I listen to most songs or some on a daily basis. Mr. Bungle also influenced korn a lot. Munky and JD said once in interview they would jam and go to Mr. Bungle concerts during high school. Mr. Bungle another story though very crazy band of many styles mixed together with circus music lol.
It's not hate it's just embarrassing looking back on it. I was into many of these bands of this time I was 15, and this music was marketed for someone just like me. The thing is, it's all very dated and cringey
@@jsc315
I guess man. I try and not feel embarrassed about anything. I mean most older things become popular again. Like vinyl records. I'm a weirdo though. I even like that you feel different and think differently. Be weird if we were all the same. But imagine hating something and constantly thinking about it lol. If it weren't for those people, a lot of products and trends wouldn't have lasted as long. I cant think of anything that I dont like or enjoy. And focus time on the idea or thing. I just move on and devote the time to doing what I enjoy. Like making this long ass comment and hearing my voice inside my head when I type it out
Joshua Chap Slipknot aint outdated though
Well Johnothan Davis doesnt consider them metal, so they arent
4 years later and Nu Metal is more than a certified classic. It’s the biggest genre of Metal RN. With very few new interesting metal bands the alternative culture of the youth has turned back to Nu Metal for style and music influence. And Nu Metal has officially solidified its staying power for years to come.
this video expanded my mind on what nu metal is and which bands are it
on a related note, I learned I listened to more nu metal as a teen than I previously thought
Dude, why all the hate on Nu Metal? I STILL listen to it on a regular basis. Sure beats all the pop and mumble rap that's coming out today.
Ya man .. listening to Rock still!!
👋 hello, you're probably in your teens and still think that most rock is objectively good because your dad said so, all music is valid, you just have to find the good artists in each genre.
@@Nell-r0se who are you talking to? I'm a 36 year old man. The fact that I said I STILL listen to it should give it away. No, I'm not a teenager. My father hated my taste in music. And not all "music" is valid. Mumble rap is utter garbage. I'm a music lover of most genre. But mumble rap has absolutely no redeeming qualities. I've given it a chance and listened to all the artists that I was told were good. They were not.
@@IgabodDobagi fair enough lol
i think i just hates the grene
i mean he even says it causes bullshit like mumblerap ^^
So glad you mentioned Helmet 🤜💥🤛
totally agree!
Betty is such a good record.
What a trip! Thank you so much for this video 🔥
Glad channel's like that exist. Many disagree but you got the pinpoints tied up very well. Even though you may upset some I'm very happy to see that you generally provide platform to unite around music. Fantastic work 👍👍👍
New Metal is what we needed at the time. And it was perfect in that time
The first time I've heard Korn singing -Are you ready- it was just EPIC
Arguably, the best genre of all time for me
I reckon you could get a full video about that Judgement Night soundtrack. It opened so many peoples eyes to other genres of music and artists they'd probably never of listened to without it.
ill never turn my back on nu metal, it was the metal of my time and to me there was nothing heavier in the world than bands like korn, linkin park, slipknot, system of a down. those bands were my idols.
are my idols*
@Roy G Biv This is a huge reason why i love nu-metal. cos of how it disgusts people like yourself, it really is the most awkward, and unwanted child of any rock sub genre. what are you into? i have a diverse palette
I only listen to punk rock. Some heavier hip hop like they make in Houston And nyc. And old school ska/rocksteady. Everything else is lame as fuck
Krist Truitt poser
My Dad listened to Three Dog Night and The Temptations-and he was cool!! If YOU love it-than it’s cool! End of story!
Ha... I was pissed when all those bands went away after 9/11...Hard Rock became super whiny and boring.. People may knock Nu-Metal pretty hard, but those shows were some of the craziest concerts I have ever been to.. And as for those who call it the lowest point in rock and roll history... Have they considered the state of the current alternative rock scene? How is metal doing these days on the radio, or any other genre of popular music? Ok.. Rant over!! Lol
Seriously though! 😆 I gave up listening to the radio altogether. I just go to the ‘Tube and blast the good shit! 🤘
Alternative rock is doing great right now. It's just what's on the radio that's shit. I mean why care about the radio when you have the internet?
I not sure what the current state of metal is on the radio. The only station dedicated to modern hard rock shut down in 2009 and I can't seem to hear past the clapping chorus, synthesizers and the ukuleles of modern "alternative rock".
Outside of the radio (have rarely heard much metal on the radio at all), metal nowadays is still doing great
I listen to Satellite radio - So I have many stations to which to listen. I love most forms of Metal with the exception of glam/hair, grindcore and it's ilk.
It's probably have been mentioned already, but Static-X didn't record for It's going Down. It's X-Ecutioners song featuring Joe (DJ) and Mike (vocals) from LP. Linkin Park full line-up as well as Wayne Static and other notable people did appear in the video, but they didn't participate in the recording. Linkin Park played the song quite a lot during their live shows, so some people mistake it for Linkin Park song.
No wonder we all loved the genre I listened to and loved everything that paved the way for it, from 90's gangster rap to that anthrax EP, the chili peppers and especially RATM and Faith No More. There were some definite low points and bands and songs I'd rather forget but say what you will it's influence especially on groove and downtunings and extra stringed guitars is still prevalent to this day. Nu metal was necessary
Interesting spin on things.
Actually at that time, we found most of the classical metal style to be embarrassing. We were into skateboarding, basketball, graffiti and sometimes a little bit of hip hop. However, mostly we were into any kind of hard rock, hardcore, punk and metal music.
But we were not looking like those classical hairspray metal guys with long, curly hair wearing long boots, leather and jeans vests with spikes. Instead we had quite short hair, wearing sneakers and were into brands like Addidas and Puma. So when the first videos (Korn-Blind, Deftones-Bored) rolled it was like a revelation. Those guys made heavy music and they looked more like us. Figures, you could much more easily relate to.
And the music was actually more interesting compared to monotonous growling, shredding and double bases, which was typical for Speed and Death Metal.The more it sounded like out of a perfect machine, the more praise it got, but for me the more boring its was. Though I was playing the guitar at that time, I was not much into 2 min guitar solo but more into grooving riffs.
Nu Metal was a term that arrived later and was used by everyone but those who were listening to it. We didn't had a name for it as we did not regarded it as a genre. Seems like this term was mostly defined around Limb Bizkit. Though the groove is influenced by hip hop beats, rap was certainly not a trademark of that music. Were do you find rap in the music of Korn, Deftones or SOAD? The combination of metal with rap we called cross over.
The fall came as always with the commercial success. Korn kind of started the fall with their Follow the leader including 2 singles that sounded more restrained and got heavily rolled in mass media.
Remember when Got the Life was the first song to be retired after a couple of months on TRL. I don't think there was anything embarrassing around the type of music either.
Totally agree, at the time it made perfect sense, especially if you were a teenager. Classic metal bands looked and sounded corny and passe. Ironically, numetal became a gateway to more established forms of metal for many kids, including me. The circle of life hah
Sooo... It’s kinda true that Nu metal is heavy metal for the Graffiti kids and Kyles and don’t forget the PS1 era gamers.
Really well put, I couldn't have said it better myself.
I always called it desert tweaker music
It’s crazy how short-lived nu metal’s peak was, but dammit it was amazing.
Amazing-ly shitty
Today's music is the low point! Deftones are still my favorite band of all time. Being a teenager able to go to rock festivals in the late 90's - early 2000's was the BEST!
Nope, you're just getting older. The teenagers today will feel exactly the same in 15 years, and try recall how your parents felt about your music taste and realise what silly music they listened to in the 70s-80s 😅
lol getting stuck in the nu-metal era. That is bleak.
I was a young teenager during Nu metal. I don’t listening to it much anymore besides a few band’s but I’m grateful for it because it got me into metal/rock
The Punk/Thrash/Crossover and Skateboard subculture were also important steps along the way.
D.R.I. Suicidal Tendencies
Yeah, Biohazard is a constant in Nu Metal
@@dreat5665 in some interview head told to audience that a biggest influence on korn s/t album was Mr.Bungle and he played similar filler riffs from blind which sounds like Mr.Bungle. ua-cam.com/video/QMdEG1-jY3Q/v-deo.html
Life of Agony's 1st album
@@Robert.Deeeee damn just recently dug this album... fuck, method of groove and only the stain remains... all time fav of them, only the stain remaaaaaaains, and then it goes solo, with perfect rhythm riff. that's why the band is called "life of agony"
Who cares what you think, I love Nu Metal. I'll never forget the first time I heard Korn!
nu metal was last metal after it ended there is absolutely nothing good at all with guitars in it
like what in 2019 people younger than 160 are supposed to listen to metallica from nursing home?
@tsartomato I guarantee there are some underground bands in your area doing great things.
@@johnthesavage381
i wouldn't say making shitty covers of кино and гражданская оборона while vomiting from stage on whole 3 guests can be considered great
I've paid for worse.
@@tsartomato first couple of mastadon albums are the shit
So, no one's gonna mention Clawfinger in a Nu Metal documentary?? They're probably the first pure nu metal band...
Deaf, Dumb, Blind (1993) is a masterpiece
Obviously not American enough even Rammstein is stiff
rage’s contempt for limp bizkit keeps me going honestly
*_"There were high points.....Deftones entire catalog."_*
YES. lol....hit the nail on the head. I was born in 1983....so I was the _perfect_ age for the whole nu-metal era, and I loved much of it. There was some truly great music made back then. Orgy's first album is _still_ perfect to my ears. Korn's first albums. Tool's entire output. etc etc etc etc. BUT....of ALL the bands of that era, the ONE band that, imo, got _better_ as time went on....is Deftones. Their 5th 6th & 7th albums are masterpieces. Those are their best albums, imo. White Pony is brilliant...but, imo, their 4th best album. THAT is how good they are. I love how as time went on they started incorporating their love of shoegaze, new wave, trip-hop, etc.
Yeah....I could go on and on about Deftones.
But it's because while there was a LOT of excellent "nu-metal" music made in the 90s....almost none of those bands created anything truly creative or novel in the ensuing decades.
But Deftones.....did. They didn't just rehash their sound...or pander to whatever was in at the moment. Instead of following trends...they went their own route and set their own trends.
Listen to "Hearts/Wires" from their EIGHTH, and latest, album Gore. That's the sound of a band who is not bored of music....or cashing in....or playing the hits to pander to fans yearning for stale nostalgia.
Deftones, and Tool to an overwhelming extent(everything but Fear Innoculum...that album still depresses me) are damn near the only bands of that era that are still making music that is not only excellent....but creatively important.
I need to stop.....rant over. I could go on....obviously. :P
Deftones is more Post Hardcore than Nu Metal, just listen Quicksand, Far or Jesus Lizard
How did Tool not get a mention...? Did I miss it?
Well said mate, I was born ‘83 too, Still like Fear inoculum though. Not as good as the new Deftones album though! Can’t get enough, keeps on giving..
And their new album is AMAZING 🤘🤘🤘
I had a Deftines album just to be open minded about it, and didn't see the appeal.
How isTool get dragged into NuMetal? I don't get that.
I hate the trend of dismissing any good nu metal as “not actually nu metal”...I see it all the time
A genre is a box... a subgenre is an even smaller box... I'm not sure these artists (for the most part) deserve to be diminished in such a way. Besides these terms are created and spread by the media, not the artists. Ultimately a great artist will transcend these limitations. I love Faith No More and System of a Down, but I hardly consider them nu metal, because I hear a wide array of influences in their music which gives me no justification in boxing them in.
@@DavidDantePhoenix Okay, but all genres are constructions- they don't exist in and of themselves. All music is more or less an amalgamation of influences...unless people who created the music straight-up just listened one kind of music or no music at all. They are not exclusively nu metal, but you can certainly see nu metal elements in some of their works. I just get frustrated when people say stuff like "Deftones was never nu metal", even though there's albums like Adrenaline. Just because it doesnt fit neatly into that box doesn't mean it can be a way to describe their work.
Korn and Deftones were the first 100% nu metal bands. System of a Down were a completely different beast, more akin to alternative metal.
What I think is fun is that KoRn, the grandfather's of Nu Metal... don't actually represent the genre very well. They're waaay closer to grove metal than the definition of nu metal. Same can be said of Deftones.
The real reps of Nu Metal were Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, and Linkin Park.
@@schwann145 I somewhat disagree, the way I see it; if a band is similar to Korn sonically and in theme, it's Nu Metal. Anything otherwise isn't.
I remember Anthrax's "I'm the man" back in the day. This mini doc brought a lot of good memories from my teens. It only missed M.O.D's True Colors to be perfect haha.