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British Guy Reacts To Michael Jordan vs Lebron James - The Best GOAT Comparison
Jordan is the Goat 🐐 stop the insanity 🤘🤘
Man had to retire twice because he knew the teams weren’t as good and he can’t carry
@@PHXNKVHXLIC - How can you write so much nonsense with so few words ? In fact, you have no idea who MJ was or what he did. You certainly havent seen him play, and youre trying to put nonsense on him. Everything I had to read from you ist far from reality. I guess a lot of opinion with very little knowledge.
@@PHXNKVHXLIC what an crazy statement. He left cause he was bored after winning 3 straight champions.. went on to play professional baseball... Then came back to the NBA to win 3 straight championships again... Give your head a shake
@@PHXNKVHXLIC lol such a good comment makes me roll on the floor with laughter, he also didnt have to dick ride two other stars to get two chips. imagine Mike asking barkley and Ewing to team up cause he couldnt win with his own team......
@@flat_life750 he had a 148-152 record without Scottie and the greatest coach of all time helping him? He’s 2-8 against the 3 best teams in his career in playoff series. His best finals competition was against a pedo and a anti vax accountant wooooow and then his most famous play is an offensive foul but he’s god to everyone 😅
Michael Jordan at his Peak felt like a superhero who couldn't lose. Everything about him and his career felt scripted better than Hollywood could write up.
LeBron on the other hand feels nothing like that because he had to join other superstars to learn how to win and left the team that drafted him multiple times
lol
Jordan would’ve whined and left Cleveland if he was in the same situation. Jordan had lots of HOFers as teammates too. And LeBron never got secretly suspended lmao
Aye Juiced James 💉😂
@@PHXNKVHXLIC lebron flops and quits on his team. Enough said.
@@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 there’s a lot more to be said. MJ quit twice on his team and actually didn’t have the competitive drive to play that much as LeBron
MJ the undisputed GOAT for real.
"When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you." -Walter Payton
"That one right there made me the greatest player of all time." -LeBron James
"If you ask me I would never say that I'm the greatest player." -Michael Jordan
Amen!
Jordan has literally said he’s the goat. Stop the cap bruh
@@Rico-hb1rzI just don’t get why people like you lie as if there aren’t those of us who know Jordan’s career very well. Provide proof he ever said that or admit you’re a liar bruh
@@Rico-hb1rz He might think it but he's never said it.
@@Rico-hb1rz What Jordan DID say was that, at a CERTAIN POINT IN TIME, he was the best in the world. He never says the greatest of ALL TIME, what G.O.A.T. stands for.
Jordan 100% GOAT. Jordan recreated the game of basketball. LeBron is just thriving in the world Jordan built.
There was basketball before Jordan lmao
It's Jordan world and Lebron just happens to be place in it ,, You crazy bro 🤣🤣🤣
Ur reaction is one of the sincerest one that I have seen, you being not a big follower or fan of basketball made this reaction video a great one, especially reacting to MJ's accomplishments and stats.
25:30 Not sure if there's an equivalent in soccer, but in basketball we call this "flopping" or basically acting like you got hit really hard in order to get the refs to call a foul. Lebron is known for doing it, a lot, and you can see it sometimes looks hilarious.
in football/soccer you call it "diving"
LeBron has to flop because he gets fouled all the time, dudes literally grabbing onto his shoulders
@@PHXNKVHXLIC yet, the same cannot be said about jordan although just like you said about bron, mj gets fouled all the time too.
I've seen every Bulls game since 1988. MJ was the best.
No you haven’t.
@@PHXNKVHXLIC You're right. I haven't watched any NBA games in the last 25 years. It sucks.
@@erolbulut2584 you haven’t seen every Bulls game since 1988. There’s no way you watch every game of the post Jordan pre DRose era
@@PHXNKVHXLIC I stopped watching all NBA when MJ left the Bulls. 1998. I began in 1967. The NBA sucks balls!
@@erolbulut2584 well you said since 1988 as in you started in 88. At least it’s better than soccer
I was lucky enough as a little kid in 1997 to watch the 72 win Bulls team take on my Timberwolves in Minneapolis. Michael, Scotty and Rodman got owned by Garnett and Marbury. That Wolves team is one of the saddest wasted great teams in NBA history. And yes Michael is the GOAT
I have every bulls game recorded on VHS tapes from 1990 until the 98 finals. I remember every game of the 72 win season. Normally the Bulls would have CREAMED them, but they were humans who had an off day.
I saw Michael Jordan play Basketball in High School, He graduated in 1981 and I graduated in 1982, He went to Laney High School and I went to New Hanover High School. He did a lot of his incredible moves in High School. New Hanover High School had @ future pros on the Team. Clyde Simmons Played Professional Football in the NFL and was an All-pro Defensive End for The Philidelphia Eagles,
Kenny Gattison played Professional Basketball in the NBA for the Phoenix Suns and the Charlotte Hornets!
MJ all day...everyday
The HomeTown Buffet analogy was savage! LMAO!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love your reaction I want to thank you for being honest open-minded and true to yourself and educating yourself
Jordan is the goat and it's not even really close
Jordan was playing like a bum at LeBrons age 😅
@@PHXNKVHXLIC ok so he wins in the longevity aspect, but Jordan still wins in almost all other categories. If anything its more impressive that Jordan played for way less seasons yet still accomplished much more than Lebron has
@@PH4NTOMProductions1 he won 2 more rings with the greatest coach ever and played against weaker Finals opponents
@@PHXNKVHXLIC things Jordan is better at: Offense, Defense, Scoring, Shooting, Dunking, Free Throws, Being Clutch, Rebounding at his size, making teammates better, loyalty, winning championships.
Things Lebron is better at: passing, having a longer career, losing championships, abandoning his city and joining another team that already had proven they could win without him (much like another current superstar that Lebron fans hate because he lost to him)
MJ's Historic Bulls Mixtape does a good job of showing you great highlights throughout his career.
Watch the NBA mixtapes that have been released of old great players! I think that just seeing careers start to finish to understand what the play looks is fun....
I was watching Jordan at his peak - I still haven't seen a player in 40 years of basketball watching that even has come close to Michael Jordan in watching play and excitement. There are still MANY players I've been fans of over the years, and have appreciated, but no one has ever come close to Jordan in terms of how watching him made me feel... I still watch basketball. Right now my favorite to watch when he's healthy is Giannis on the Bucks.
The reason why I personally like him more than most other players is that he has a fire in him that reminds me of MJ and other players who tried so hard all the time to keep getting better. He cares more about winning than stats. He cares more about the team than himself. He could chase individual accolades... (and would easily be on track to do it if he were more selfish) but he ALWAYS goes for the team over just himself. But he's also dominant like MJ when it's needed.
He's not better than MJ, just different -- he has an amazing story so far. For me I think he's by far the most "wholesome players" and he is almost impossible for people to dislike unless they are just antisocial. In contrast there are other players with hard stories as well like Dennis Rodman -- his story is amazing, but... he has some issues. And if people decide for some of his stuff they don't want to like him, I would understand it, but IMO Dennis Rodman is about as raw and gorgeously vulnerable as a human can get.
I love a lot of players -- if you actually want a list I could give you one, but there are literally on MJ alone about 50 more high quality good relevant videos to watch where you'd still learn something new that would amaze you. With these other players it may not be as deep, but I think if I were doing it... I'd start with glossing over the players to get a feel, then deeper diving on all of them.
Yes lebron dived when hit from the back, one of his nicknames is Leflop. Last shot @38:20 is him winning the sixth championship, and his last shot ever on as a Bull. The play before on defense, he strip stole the ball from Karl Malone who was the MVP that year, drove down and made that shot, perfect ending. You should react to "Michael Jordan underrated Wizard years" to really be astonished at what he was able to do @ 38-40 years old.
Jordan is the 🐐 anyway you slice it
Glad you did this video. MJ accomplished so much, much in fewer years.
for me, its mj all day long
For anyone with eyes and a brain it is mj all day long...
For real
For the kids who don't know Jordan, simply put, Jordan had that dawg in him (he was the best, and still never took a minute off, even in practices- he got into fights with his own teammates because he expected every player on the roster to be on his level)....LeBron, he's more into being a Pop Culture icon and has been trying to TELL us that he is- Jordan simply SHOWED us that he's the GOAT.
The funny about that is there is no bigger pop icon in sports let alone the NBA than Jordan and most of it has to do with him being a relentless sportsman, competitor and showman on the court.They are even releasing a major film based solely on the Jordan Is....aka the rise of the marketable sports figure that transcends sport and becomes a mythical icon of culture.
So Lebron in his pursuit of this goal missed the point and actually hurt his goal. Hasn't wisened up to that yet.
@@scottb3034 LeBron wanted the love Jordan got, while playing like Magic (no disrespect to Magic, he's an all-timer but be honest, Magic was never considered the GOAT)
@@scottb3034 👎
@@cljones3932 what?
@@scottb3034 👎
Good players work hard to become great. Great players work hard to help their teammates great. Good players will go to where they have the best chance to become a champion. Great players stay where they are to help make the team champions. In short good players are good players. Great players become legends. Jordan was and is the G.O.A.T. no question.
If there was no question why has LeBron been in the conversation for 10+ years
It's not even close. Jordan's Bulls went up against some of the best teams of all times - Lakers, Pistons and Celtics of the time were hard, nasty, strong teams populated by future hall of famers - and far more permissive refs....Lebron is a great player but...
LeBron had much much better players on his teams. Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade on paper were better than any teammates Michael Jordan ever had. Then he went on to get Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love in Cleveland and now he's with the Lakers and Anthony Davis. LeBron jumps teams to find the best players he could team up with all the time. LeBron made his own luck and that's why I don't really respect him as much as even Stephen Curry.
Michael Jordan literally won in 1998 with statistically the worst Supporting Cast in the history of the NBA finals because Dennis Rodman was old and not very productive and Scottie Pippen was injured
Scottie Pippen
My son is gonna hate this video 😂😩
Just like castor oil. It don't taste good goin in and goin down BUT!!!!😊❤
If you want to react to his highlights I recommend watching his ultimate Bulls mixtape
LBJ had great teammates as well. Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Kyrie Erving, Anthony Davis, Russell Wesbrook, are all HOFs, All Stars, and in some cases top 75 players in NBA history so no MJ didnt have a better team you just know those guys because those are the guys you know.
This here is a great reaction since he's not a big fan of basketball you can clearly aee that there's no bias...his reaction to the flop made me chuckle
Here's a breakdown of some NBA stats between MJ vs. Bron
Reg. Season MVP (MJ 5) & (Bron 4)
Championships (MJ 6) & (Bron 4)
Finals MVP (MJ 6) & (Bron 4)
Seasons (MJ 15) & (Bron 20+)
Dunk Contest Champ (MJ 2) & (Bron 0)
Scoring Titles (MJ 10) & (Bron 1)
Rookie of the Year (MJ 1984/85) & (Bron 2003/04)
Avg. Points Per Game (MJ 30.1) & (Bron 27.2)
Avg. Playoff Points (MJ 33.4) & (Bron 28.7)
BTW Championship MVP (MJ 6 of 6) & (Bron 4 of 10) even more significant! Gotta break it down to the percentages: MJ 100%, Bron 40%!
The thing about the MJ vs LeBron debate is that most people already have their minds made up. There’s very little you can say that would convince people to change their minds on the topic lol
LeBron can play til the end of time, and he'll never be as good as MJ.
...and one generation can actually make a case based on seeing both play in different eras in their prime
@@googleisshit3220 I don’t care who people think is the GOAT. I just think it’s funny that it’s called a “debate” despite the fact that everyone already claims to know the answer no matter what argument they hear. You can’t change peoples mind on this, no matter which side they’re on.
@@Alex-kd5xc ....good thing I'm not trying huh 😂
Nuh uh! The one I think is better is better!
It is SO very refreshing to see someone who is an intelligent NON-fan of basketball honestly and clearly understand on a basic level the truth of this comparison. Too many are caught up in their individual fandom and the hype of this generation's media. Of course, Lebron is a great player, but he is not even top 5. Your last comment: "So beautiful to watch!" brings a tear and I will only say I was fortunate to watch great players, like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Dr. J among many others in their day and as a contemporary of MJ ALL of his games including, having the great honor to see him in ALL of his "Dream Team" games, in person in Barcelona in 92. Michael Jordan's transcendence was beyond awe inspiring, beyond beautiful and to watch it was, moment to moment an exultation which begged the question: Will ANYONE ever do this again? Noone has!
On one criterion alone, the game today is by far much easier and less physical than the game in Jordan's day. As you, a non-fan so aptly noticed, under the basket in Lebron's time the area is wide open and in MJ's time it was crowded with great physical specimens fighting "tooth and nail" and that's the big difference between their eras in the game. Two, the rule changes have also made the game easier/softer and easier to score points. And these are, the 3-point rule and the elimination of the hand-check. The hand-check rule in particular is important, before today a player could use one or both hands on an opposing offensive player, to influence their movements and/or inhibit their ability to reach the basket inside or to shoot from outside. THE MERE fact that Lebron is an abysmal scorer beyond 3 feet from the rim, compared to MJ, given the elimination of the hand-check, speaks volumes!
BY THE WAY: That point in the video when you asked, "Did he just take a dive?" YES and that is one of my many complaints with today's game which I do not watch anymore. The NBA has become "Football or as we call it, Soccer" the flopping is rampant and Lebron is one of the leading performers today! Because of his over inflated popularity, referees are calling statistically more fouls against opposing teams when Lebron FLOPS/DIVES. He's a master of fakery!
Lastly, MJ made his teammates better, he worked harder than anyone in game play and practice. He was ruthless, players like Steve Kerr, a teammate of MJ (now coach of The Warriors) said he hated MJ at times, but MJ made him better. By contrast, Lebron has never been accused of working overly hard in practice, and certainly not showing up hours before everyone else, yet MJ & Kobe did, and so did Magic and Larry Bird time and time again. Lebron NEVER made his team better, he won championships by team shopping, leaving teams on a regular basis to go to teams with better players, Miami & the LA Lakers, both teams who had won championships during Lebron's time, so another analytic might be that he went to teams that had already won championships and he was GREAT because the team WAS already GREAT before he came! The Cavaliers with whom he won his 3rd. championship was a team he'd left with acrimony, claiming they didn't want to win because they wouldn't spend money to sign players he demanded HE needed to win. He shopped himself to Miami, a team that had won a championship already, then winning there he opted OUT of his contract and returned to Cleveland (Cavaliers) saying he felt bad about abandoning his hometown team and was returning to bring them glory. With his stature now established as a "Marquee" player, the team spent MORE money and built him a team. They were underdogs but beat the Golden State Warrior "Juggernaut" his one victory over them in 4 tries! He IMMEDIATELY LEFT Cleveland to go to the LA Lakers where he remains today, rather lackluster in the finals. One additional championship in that time, his 4th. While playing 20 seasons and ongoing, he's only won 4 championships compared to MJ's 6 in 8 seasons!
One final STAT: From a reply to another comment. MVPs: Regular Season MJ-5 Lebron-4 but as to Championship MVPs, MJ-6 Lebron-4 and statistically it gets worse for Lebron. Michael Jordan was 6 MVPs in 6 finals for 100%. Whereas, Lebron is 4 in 10 finals for 40%. Who's the GOAT?
You want to watch the michael jordan ultimate Bulls mixtape. And if you want to watch the 2nd greatest player ever look up Larry Bird's ultimate mixtape
I've seen Mj live....
I'm not a religious man but for fans, I would guess it's similar to a true believer meeting the Pope...
He's different man.
Lebron is a media goat. Period....Great, great player for the participation generation.
Think about meeting Pele or Messi....
Its always been MJ. Bro check out Wayne Gretzky and how many NHL records he holds compared to every other NHL player in history
You need to check out MICHAEL JORDANS MIX TAPE! It’s the best compilation out there right now.
Like WTH (😁) .... the puzzled look on your face watching James quit on defense is priceless!!
Oh Yea, Very good unbias analysis of what you seen.
LeBron only has as many points as he does because he's made so many attempted shots over the years. If past greats were given the advantages LeBron and current NBA stars have (better pay, better health care, etc...) then those past greats would have most likely had longer durations as players and thus much higher amounts of points accumulated due to their better shooting %.
Comparing "GOATS" in different eras is just not easily done. This video does a fair attempt and gives his reasoning with the stats backing up the arguments.
LeBron is only a good player of today's era. As shown, his shooting % is meh, he flops (fakes being fouled) around a lot (I saw a list that had him at 3rd most flopping player of today's game), and he tries to win by trying to make an all star team (Lakers) but he keeps falling short.
Name an NBA team in the last 10 years that wasn't an "all-star team," besides the raptors(with multiple allstars) beating an injured all star team (warriors) that would have killed them if healthy...Times have changed and all star teams are required to win now...Now we gonna get mad at Lebron for adapting?? It's the same with fouls too...Lebron flops because it works in todays game, it's a different game. Don't blame the player, blame the league.
not to mention the fact Lebron took historically bad Cavalier teams to the conference finals and NBA finals before he joined the Heat...I don't care what his conference looked like (still loaded since the east ended up winning some of those finals), I don't think you could argue that Lebron elevates the players around him better then anyone in NBA history.
If Lebron is the best it just proves how talentless the NBA is.
One of my favorite Michael Jordan stories is a recent interview where a reporter asked him, "Michael, do you think your 90's Bulls team could beat Lebron's Lakers?" He answered, "We'd probably win by 2 or 3." The reporter was surprised his humility. "You think you team would only win by two?" she asked. Michael Jordan smiled and said, "Yeah, well most of us are almost 60 now."
teams feared MJ. they dont fear Labron
"What is March Madness?" by Zealand
Love your reaction, Also love the way you sound - just like Colin McRae who is the GOAT rally driver for me and a lot of fans across the globe. No other driver has given me more enthusiasm love and pure joy of the rally sport than Colin. Just like Michael. My two passions basketball and rally.
Look into the 1992 Olympic dream team
Let me tell you this clearly as a Bulls fan since 1985. Those teams that we don't "remember as fondly" 93 Suns. 96 Sonics and 97/98 Jazz were fantastic teams. I think the Sonics were the least top heavy(star driven) balanced opponents the bulls faced. 64-18 record the same year as the Bulls went 72-10.
Lebron simply isn't and will never be as good as MJ. Don't tell that to a sub 30 year old superfan because ego has no room for perspective.
You should watch the last dance documentary 😇
Lebron has a 4th ring now. Also the fact the guy who made the video says “unlike people who just watch highlights, I actually watched MJ play” leads me to believe he had his mind made up well before starting the analysis. Generally speaking, the best player when someone is growing up, tends to be who they think is the best player ever.
But does that change the facts that were stated? Y’all are focused on his views and not what was laid in front of you.
It's not even close. Jordan hands down is the best of all time. Koby Bryant is a better comparison than LJ. Koby had that drive Jordan has. Jordan the greatest basketball player simply put.
If you add up all the all star appearances of the players Jordan had vs Lebron in their years going to the finals its 6 for Jordan compared to something like 18 for Lebron. Lebrons had the more high quality teammates in his career.
Can you react to things that Michael Jordan own
Jordan 💯
Check out Clayton Crowley's making the case series. It's really good. He does 8 for the greatest player and 8 for the greatest team. Also has excellent in depth looks at various other basketball legends.
Everyone can have their own opinion, but for me it is clear and without question as I think it is not even close, Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T.
I probably should not add to this but as an older guy who was born in 1968 I watched most of my Basket Ball in the 80's and 90's both College and NBA, but mostly College basketball. That being said the Game has changed and not for the better IMO. I think what I liked most about College sports was that players stayed at one school mostly and I guess I expected the same from professional players I came to be fans of, Especially concerning my favorite teams. In todays league (MLB, NBA & NFL) players move around so much for the money or sit out until there is a trade it just takes away from being a fan of your team and the players of that team.
The play Style has changed as well and not for the better. Sure there are "Physical Giants" and many new methods to keep players healthier extending there careers, but the game specifically the NBA was much more physical when MJ Played. Also the game was played in the paint close to the basket, which for me was more exciting to watch. Sure it still happens today, but I think there are more "one trick ponies" today and well ok, but that does not make the game better.
I guess I expect the greatest players to play 100% on both ends of the court, Offense and Defense. Jordan did that his whole career and I never thought LeBron was a complete basket ball player so GOAT status is not possible if I am asked. This video alone tells a clear picture why Michael Jordan is the GOAT and I see no argument to bring up L/James, who I think is just a great player.
ACTUAL vote in us: BEST ATHLET : 19 % MJ; 2nd Tom brady 12%, no LBJ ;)) MJ NO1 BY FAAAAAAR!
Lebron is/was AMAZING but……. Jordan was the best of all time. Period! That’s not a knock on Bron it just is what it is.
as a fan of soccer and nba, i just can say that if you want to compare jordan to a soccer player you need to do like a fusion between messi and maldini or something like that, there is nothing like mike.
First time seeing MJ was his performance in the McDonald High School game after his senior year .
Crazy that this one your first good start.
Lebron not on Jordan’s level this vid shows that easily. If with his current stats and accolades as this vids a little old now but it still stands that’s crazy.
Lebron isnt close. Jordan is the goat by far, watching him play its like he could fly. He had cheat codes on.
I was at Jordan's last game in Philly when he played for the wizards
Someone may have said this already, but being in the way of that kind of junk that they do …. It’s now common knowledge that you do not want to be on the receiving end of that. It’s called “posterizing” and it means that they just did something spectacular and you were going to be on their poster getting shit on.
Lebron called himself the GOAT, but he didn't mean it. Wilt Chamberlin didn't say it, but he ment it. Jordan just did it and everyone knows the real GOAT is Muhammad Ali!
Jordan
MJ retired because he was done. He had nothing else to do and the GM and owner forced him out.
MJ IS THE GOAT 💯💯🥰 LBJ並沒有接近MJ 差距還有段距離
LeBron played with the better players. LeBron is credited for starting the player made Superteams.
So when Jordan came into the league, his team was awful. Those Bulls was dubbed the "coke circus". So his opponents could just focus all their strategy on stopping Jordan, cause his teammates were not very good. As soon as Jordan got 1 single allstar teammate, it was over for the league. So, Jordan has only ever had 1 allstar teammate for his entire career.
LeBron had two different allstars in his first Cleveland stint, and couldn't win, so he band together a superteam that was stacked with 3 allstars. LeBron himself (the self proclaimed GOAT), Dwyane Wade (3rd greatest SG of all time), and Chris Bosh (11x straight perennial allstar). Yet they still lost to a team that consisted of only 1 allstar, while LeBron himself choked and got outplayed by the opposing teams bench player. This wasn't the only time that happened either. LeBron has lost many times while having the superior team.
Jordan has done more with less.
Check out cal Ripken Jordan
MJ that's it.
Well, then. It’s settled
You asked a question about the best player or athlete period. I think that's impossible to know or even have an opinion about. There are so many insane athletes in different sports. Here's a list of some I can think of off the top of my head & in no particular order. M.J. , Michael Phelps, Usane Bolt, Mary Lou Retton, Simone Biles, Pele, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams, Tom Brady, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, Babe Ruth, Nathan Chen, Shaun White, Apollo Ohno, Michelle Kwan & the list could go on & on. Some might be considered more of an opinion but others like Michael Phelps & Simone Biles etc, were ridiculously dominant in their sport. I'm sure someone could breakdown the lists into quantifiable facts but I cannot. I just know who I love & or love watching, who changed their sport forever, & who has more records held or titles than anyone else.
I was with you bro until you put a female in the list.... There's no female on this planet that can be place beside a man in physical competition. I hope you're not foolish enough to try and refute what I said
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr What? I'm pretty sure he asked opinions on the best athletes...not the best male athletes. Why would they be competing against each other??? That's ridiculous. That's like saying MJ can only be one of the best if he can also swim faster than Michael Phelps & win gold on the half pipe against Shaun White. There are insanely talented female athletes too. If you haven't seen or heard of them you might need to get your eyes & ears checked.
@@IamTigger-qe4up you stupid mf, there's no woman on the planet that can compete with men in the physical realm
still if I had to chose anyone but Jordan. i'm going Kobe before Bron
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Per this comparison it is MJ hands down.
No lebron had better teammates. Mj played with one allstars his entire career being Scottie pipen. And 4 hall of famers. Lebron played with 12 allstars and 12 hall of famer. Actually it’s 15 allstars if you count all the one not in there prime. The a average amount of allstars great players needs to win is 5. As Kobe played with5 all star for his entire career. Magic also played with 5. Bill i believe played with 7.
And Larry played with 9. People say lebron’s didn’t have help and Jordan did. But look at the numbers which don’t lie. (But people do) lebrons had the most help. Mj has had the least except for Nikola Jokic. Who just won with no other allstar. So before this year mj had the least help out of the all time greats at the top. They had the narrative twisted
2001 illegal defense rule change makes comparing these two apples-to-oranges, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Each best of their era. No one can top Jordan's accolades, or impact on the game worldwide. Lebron will finish his career as the association's top scorer, and top 5 in assists. Jordan's era was more physical. Modern era has better caliber athletes top to bottom.
He played after the rule changes as an d man and still couldn’t be stopped so that’s bull and void. No one was gonna stop him regardless of if u could help or not. Plus having more spacing moving into the latter part of the decade wouldve counteracted that.
Watching all of Jordan's career and that entire era was the peak of the NBA. Nothing will compare. Especially this sissy era. Flippy floppy james is a giant joke. Not even in the top 100.
Let me put it this way with a football question...I know how rabid you guys are about team loyalty too...
Messi was not winning championships even though he gets close. In the off season he texts Ronaldo and a few of the best players in the game.
Now he has a super team and still goes 2-4 in championships with at least 2 other hall of farmers.
How much respect for him would you have after that. He's still amazing, but obviously not the greatest of all time...
The only other sportsman I can think of with similar longevity is Lionel Messi.
I didn't have an opinion on this. From watching the video, as a judge I would give it to Jordan.
If only he didn't tarnish his legacy a bit by playing for the Wizards...
Those wizards years are wrongfully underrated... youtube 'mj wizards underrated' video by johnny arnett... he was amazing for his age...
Those years didn’t tarnish anything. The only thing they did was lessen his career stats a tad bit.
MJ own’S lachoke
Honestly it’s everybody’s preferences on who they think is THE GOAT. Every generation have their own opinions and looks at different things. Some ppl think it’s all about the rings while others think it’s the accolades/stats/being the face of the NBA for a long time. To be considered on of the GREATS means the player has to make an IMPACT in the NBA.
Even when ppl make these videos or list, it’s up to their standards and criteria. Some ppl like myself don’t have a legit GOAT or #1. I have a group of players who I felt impacted the NBA and liked and that’s it.
This whole debate is literally ppl arguing to a wall.. nobody is going to listen to anyone at this point cuz everybody is set in their own opinions despite the statistics or proof.
I just say JORDAN IS JORDAN and BRON IS BRON.. different generations/era.. different players and mindset, but both heavily impacted and inspired the next generation. That’s it. Respect other GREATS.. give them their flowers!
No, EVERY generation has their own FAVORITE players, that's entirely understandable. In the GOAT debate, we all have to remove our biases for our FAVORITE players and look only to all of those criteria such as, stats, wins, percentages, position play, points, etc. and taking into account, context and analytics. Exactly as the documentary Jordan Vs Lebron did, without bias or emotion the fact is AND will remain, Jordan is the GOAT. Even if Lebron a GREAT player of the game, plays 25 seasons and bests ALL of Jordan's records statistically and otherwise, the SIMPLE fact that it will have taken Lebron 21, or 25 seasons of play to do so, only reinforces Jordan's greatness in doing it in 13 total full seasons of play. That's a PERIOD and MIC drop. There is NO debate.
@@paulbonge6617 sure 👍👍
Larry Bird is the GOAT over everyone
Not lbron Bird’s better than all of them
Tom Brady is more successful than LeBron and played more seasons at an elite level. Tom wins over LeBron.
your point about the video author not bringing up the strength of the full teams they played on is huge in my opinion, lebrons legacy in the finals is tarnished because hes made a lot of finals that his team had no business being in just through sheer will of his play and determination alone, hence the sweeps once those teams finally made it there. lebron has more weaknesses undoubtedly however his strengths are even better than mj's imo.
yes this video triggered me
His strengths are scoring, which mj is better, passing I’ll give him, athleticism, which is in Mj’s favor as well, IQ which is hard to guage because there’s no true way to measure who has better IQ, and longevity/ durability which can be attributed more to circumstance and era rather than pure ability. Defense is mj, shooting overall is mj, clutch factor is mj. I’m just not seeing it.
@@TheIcemanthomas my point is that we are looking at these categories in a binary sense, like for example lebron is the better passer yes but HOW MUCH of a better passer is he than jordan? id argue the gap is pretty huge and just dumbing it down to 'ok lebron gets the tally for this category' doesnt do lebrons side of the argument justice in my opinion, along with the lack of context with the teams they played on i just feel like this video doesnt really do justice to how great lebron really is at what he does well.
id also argue that lebron is much more athletic than mj but i know thats not gonna go over well lol
It's funny to me how Lebron fans always think this (teammate/help) is a good argument for Lebron, not understanding its a double edged sword. They always bring up the times when he brought a weak team to the finals, but glance over the other times he had a strong team but failed to win with it. You have to consider both scenarios. The fact is Lebron is very inconsistent with his "carry ability". This is in contrast to MJ who consistently won after he figured out the formula to win his first ring. Won two 3peats in 8 years.
Lebron has joined/formed more super teams than Jordan yet has less championships than he does. This is a serious blow against Lebron if you want to talk about help/teammates. Jordan stayed in his team and worked with what he was given and won 6 championships (two 3-peats). While Lebron has had multiple times to stack the deck in his favor yet still hasn't matched Jordan's ring count.
LeBron isn't even top 5, MJ, Kobe, and then Kareem, Magic, Bird
If you listen to many of the greatest players, most name Bill Russell as their top pick.
Jordan couldn't win it all until Detroit took him to school for a few years.
What's Lebron's excuse? Played longer, more finals appearances which is APPARENTLY HELP FROM THE LEAGUE.....,and still.....?😮
Michael Jordan is an all time great! LeBron is the best in his era! Think what you want!
do another video, this was basically a michael jordan biased video
Don’t ever forget that LeBron has scored more points in the NBA than anybody ever. He just passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
@John Candy....Karl Malone and Kareem also had more TOTAL points than MJ and they both were not better than MJ either. They all played more games than MJ. So what's your point? MJ the highest has the highest points per GAME average than any of those players. Even higher than Wilt Chamberlain, and Lebron. So let's stop the nonsense.
The guy who made that video is clearly biased towards MJ but either way he probably is the goat. But Lebron is closer to MJ than anyone else is to Lebron
Ask Lebron about Kobe! RIP
The guy who made the original video seems EXTREMELY biased. Regardless, the conversation will never end because the older generations go with Jordan and the younger ones go with Lebron. In my opinion, when going off of just pure basketball ability, I believe Lebron is the best player of all time. Jordan may have accomplished more but Lebron is the best basketball player.
Being biased doesn’t detract from the facts stated.
Mj has support from BOTH generations thou lol
@@googleisshit3220 mainly because the older generations feed their youth michael is the goat sauce. ive personally grown up with the knowledge mj is the goat because people say he was
@@tubbyidk1474 ....or some youth understand facts and stats and the difference in eras...I mean the NBA has said we re changing rules to make the game more offensive ...that creates better stats and yet LB isn't close. I personally think LB is the best of his generation...but doesn't even break into my top 5 best ever... I'd take Larry Lengend over LB at Sf anyday...
I'd take Hakeem the Dream instead LeBron for pf. And Larry Legend for sm.
Larry Legend: "Ummm.... MJ never won a single playoff game against me... Ever. Not once. AND, he had a losing record against me in all games... Just saying.
As for that other guy, I didn't have to jump from team to team, looking for guys to help get me my ring. I showed up, I got rings".
Magic: "What Larry said... Plus, I went 2-1 against him, too".
Larry: "That's cold, and uncalled for, Magic".
Magic: "Hey, man... Facts are facts".
Larry: "Fine, whatever. Can we just agree that we would murder these guys if they had to play in OUR era?"
Magic: "Very true, bother. Very true".
Larry also played with a stacked teams rn against jordan and…. Who else? And wasn’t Larry also the same guy that got 63 dropped on his head and proceeded to call him god dressed as micheal jordan?
@@TheIcemanthomas
Fair points. Disclosure: MJ is the GOAT.... period. There's no debate. Two three-peats - that ends the argument. But Larry and Magic are tied for second... And they're not far behind.
Before Larry's arrival, the Celtics were horrible... Twenty-something wins. Two years later, NBA champs. Larry also played in the East, which was a murderer's row at the time.
Just for the sake of playing devil's advocate, I will say that MJ really didn't become MJ as history remembers him, until Magic and Larry were done.
Larry could dominate a game without filling the stat sheet. If you're old enough to remember watching him play, you know what I mean. If you're not, you don't. That's not an indictment of young people. I'm too young to have watched the 1927 Yankees, or the 1960's Packers, or the 1970 Brazilian World Cup team, all of which are widely considered the best ever in their respective sports.
I'm just saying that boiling a GOAT debate down to LeBron vs MJ is an incomplete version of history. Too many good arguments can be made for other players.
...ummm. Birds team had 5 HOF...tell me you aren't riding LB %^&* with this comment 😂 . I mean at least have a valid point if your going to comment.
@@googleisshit3220
Celtics, pre-Bird
1977-78 - 32 wins, 50 losses, no playoffs
1978-79 - 29 wins, 53 losses, no playoffs
Celtics, post-Bird
1979-80 - 61 wins, 21 losses - reached conference finals
1980-81 - 62 wins, 22 losses - won NBA championship
The only other HOF player to start on that 80-81 team was Parish. McHale was a sixth man on that team. DJ was playing for Seattle, I believe. Walton was still in Portland.
MJ, on the other hand, didn't get past the first round of the playoffs, or have a record over .500, until his fourth season. The Bulls didn't win a championship until his sixth season - until he got some help, in other words.
LeBron helped the Cavaliers improve dramatically early, but not nearly as dramatically as Bird helped Boston on the early years of his career. He also took nine seasons to win his first ring, as opposed to Bird's two.
Obviously, it's a team sport. Therefore no single player can win without considerable help. But there's no doubt that Bird's impact was, more productive, more immediate, and more dramatic, than any player in history. There's plenty of data and historical evidence to support that claim. In fact, it's pretty much an open and shut case.
@@kentgrady9226 ..sorry I didn't realize you were cherry picking one season to try and make a point....my point still stands ...for the major of Birds Celtics he had 5 HOF on his team when Bird called MJ God 😉...but keep trying 😂
Counter arguments to this Jordan video lol. Hot takes:
- the only "checkmark" for Jordan is legacy.
- longevity is skewing the statistics. As sample size increases, averages go down. Lebron has been doing it longer as just as well if not better
- one category conveniently missing Teamate. Sure, Jordan willed his team to more championships. But LeBron, other than in Miami and maybe one year in Cleveland, had been willing teams to champion
- which brings us to why Lebron considers that Cleveland championship to be his GOAT moment. He willed the cavaliers from down 3-1 in the series.
- is 3 more rings really that much better once you have 3 championships? How many times you have to prove your a team/clutch player?
- assists. Lebron will go down first all time in Points and most likely assists as well. That means he facilitated more points for his team than anyone else in history. That is what makes ppl consider Gretzky the NHL goat, not his Stanley Cup resume. Watch the Jordan doc, and you see a competitive asshole who probably made his teammates worse, compares to Lebron whose vision and scoring ability take him to another level
- The "if" of Jordan retiring will always be an "if" and Lebron still continuing to play on a Jordan like level for almost double the amount of time should mean more than Jordan getting to go out on his own terms and being "lightning in a bottle" versus Lebron giving the game everything he had for twice as long means a lot more to me
"longevity is skewing the statistics. As sample size increases, averages go down. Lebron has been doing it longer as just as well if not better"
You just contradicted yourself here. If Lebron has been doing it "just as well if not better" then his averages should not go down. Either you admit that Lebron has gotten worse or don't claim that his longevity skews statistics.
"one category conveniently missing Teamate"
It's funny how Lebron fans always think this is a good argument for Lebron, not understanding its a double edged sword. They always bring up the times when he brought a weak team to the finals, but glance over the other times he had a strong team but failed to win with it. You have to consider both scenarios. The fact is Lebron is very inconsistent with his "carry ability". This is in contrast to MJ who consistently won after he figured out the formula to win his first ring. Won two 3peats in 8 years.
Lebron has joined/formed more super teams than Jordan yet has less championships than he does. This is a serious blow against Lebron if you want to talk about help/teammates. Jordan stayed in his team and worked with what he was given and won 6 championships (two 3-peats). While Lebron has had multiple times to stack the deck in his favor yet still hasn't matched Jordan's rings.
"which brings us to why Lebron considers that Cleveland championship to be his GOAT moment. He willed the cavaliers from down 3-1 in the series."
Winning a single series doesn't make you the GOAT. You need to do more than that. If "overcoming impossible odds" is what makes this accomplishment GOAT-worthy, there's actually better underdog stories than this who won an NBA championship. I don't consider this as much of an "underdog" story solely based of of the fact that Lebron (whos considered to be the best basketball player in the world) was on the other team. If you really believe Lebron is all that, then the gap was not that wide compared to the Warriors.
is 3 more rings really that much better once you have 3 championships?
YES
How many times you have to prove your a team/clutch player?
More times than the current GOAT (Jordan).
"assists. Lebron will go down first all time in Points and most likely assists as well. That means he facilitated more points for his team than anyone else in history."
Yes, not because he's a better scorer (than MJ) or a better passer (than Magic), but because he simply played more seasons. It's simple as that. Total career stats, most of the time, only speak to longevity and not necessarily being the best at that stat. For example, John Stockton has the most total assists in history but no one considers him a better passer than Magic Johnson. Same with Kareen and Karl Malone, both have more total points than Jordan but no one considers them to be better scorers than Jordan (30.1 PPG & 10 Scoring Titles). If Magic (11.2 APG) and Stockton (10.5 APG) played the same amount of games, Magic will have more total assists because he had a higher assists-per-game average. Same could be said about Jordan and Kareem.
This is why career averages is better to use for these types of comparisons. It makes it a fair apples to apples comparison.
"Watch the Jordan doc, and you see a competitive asshole who probably made his teammates worse, compares to Lebron whose vision and scoring ability take him to another level"
Not only is this demonstrably false (Scottie Pippen clearly became better over the years WHILE playing with Jordan), its also irrelevant to the GOAT conversation. No one cares if you were an asshole or not, your stats, accomplishments and accolades will speak for themselves.
"The "if" of Jordan retiring will always be an "if" and Lebron still continuing to play on a Jordan like level for almost double the amount of time should mean more than Jordan getting to go out on his own terms and being "lightning in a bottle" versus Lebron giving the game everything he had for twice as long means a lot more to me"
I honestly don't understand what you were trying to go for here. I will just say that the only people I see who value longevity over peak are Lebron fans. In general and for most instances, people will normally value peak over longevity. I think this shows how bias can skew one's judgement.
Lastly, I wasn't an MJ fan growing up. My favorite player was Penny Hardaway and I hated Jordan because they beat my Magics. I just call it as it is, MJ is the GOAT.
@sohgeki2701 I'm saying lebron has had more time to have a lower average. Think of baseball stats. If you are 2/4 your ERA will look a lot better than any baseball player with a full career ever, but it's a smaller sample size with less room for things to go wrong
That's why I say Jordan was lightning in a bottle, it was a perfect timing peak of 10 years which makes for a great legacy but not GOAT status imo
@@ethanpost9774 I understand your point about longer careers leading to lower averages, I actually agree with this point. I'm commenting on the claim that you made that Lebron has been doing it "just as well if not better". This implies that Lebron has either maintained his numbers or only increased. This does not match what you said about him getting lower averages. If its true that Lebron was consistently performing at a high level.. then your career average WILL NOT GO DOWN. If a player averaged 30 PPG consistently for 20 seasons consecutively, his career average will still be 30 PPG, it WILL NOT GO DOWN. The only way it will go down is if the player's number decreases over time.
So which is it? Does Lebron's average go down the longer he plays? OR is Lebron playing "just as well if not better" every season. They can't both be true.
I also don't get why you boil down MJ's peak to "perfect timing"? It almost sounds like you think MJ is lucky to string together so much success in a shorter amount of time. Instead of inciting "luck" as the reason, how about you appreciate how dominant MJ was at his peak due to his killer competitive nature and tireless work ethic. In light of Lebron's career, you should be able to recognize how hard MJ's accomplishment was. It's not easy being on top.
This video imo did a poor job and was clearly made by a Jordan fan. Showing only positive Jordan clips and picking out rare lebron bad clips. I haven’t made up my mind on whose better, but if a real “eye test” was done in the last part, LeBrons dominance would’ve looked way more similar to Jordan. A true lebron highlight video would show a better demonstration of that when compared to a Jordan highlight tape
Short version to get the results that you are seeking. Highlights and commentary by both teams and the analyst who called the games. Lebron's 10 finals appearances and Jordan's six.😊
Jordan is the goat but this video is a tad outdated and bias. It’s 1a and 1b in my opinion
This video is very bias
Jordan may have the biggest name and be the most legendary player in the history of the NBA, but as a pure basketball player LeBron is the best there's ever been.
Maybe if he could knock down free throws in the clutch. Only half joking
That’s just simply not true. He doesn’t do anything exceedly better. It’s like u didn’t watch the video at all
@@TheIcemanthomas LeBron's free throw percentage has been trash for a guy at the top. It is true, he's not in the top 70 percent of the league on that front
Too LB is such hot garbage when it matters...in the clutch
ROFL good to see the blind enjoy sports. The China stan couldn't wash MJ's underwear, forget tying his shoes. Also Jason Terry says hi ROFL I do know you're a troll though after watching this vid or if you have ever actually watched both play to say that lol.
Lebron my goat. Longevity is the biggest factor for me
This is the most cherry picked biased video I’ve ever seen. He conveniently left out the fact that Michael Jordan’s teammates for most of his career were hall of famers while Lebron was playing with average to good players most of his