its pretty easy to explain why astrology works in scientific terms, you just have to compare our brain to a radio. The pineal gland in conjunction with pituitary and the spinal fluid, although others might be important as well, works just like a radio that picks up frequencies. When you try to pick up a frequency on the radio, and you change or press some buttons, our brain works in the exact same way when it picks up frequencies from everywhere. Every planet that has an electromagnetic field (basically all of them), emits a certain frequency, some even transposed those frequencies into sounds, creating the song of the solar system. Whereas in our case we are picking up frequencies in the MegaHertz range on our radio, our brain picks up and also emits frequencies that are a whole level lower, less that 40 Hertz in most cases. Whereas we have buttons on the radio to adjust to a frequency that has data on it, the planets (and actually every body in the solar system) act as buttons for you brain radio. The bigger the button, the higher its magnetic field, the more data there is on that frequency. When certain alignments reoccur, people are picking up those same frequencies, therefore history repeats in trend, however adapted to the current technology and culture. There are so many other things that can explained by this, even referencing to the Bible or other religious text, and this the why the ancient personified each planet, each constellation, etc. This is not science fiction, its science, and our solar system is a giant brain. Anyone can look up everything said in this statement, and I actually have a hard time understanding why modern astrologers don't present astrology in this context. Astrology is for astronomy, the same as psychology for physiology.
Damn, man. Glad to see you're doing good and thriving in this newer technical age. I remember us all being in the group on MySpace back in the day! I actually found you, and subsequently this video, because I just learned that my Lot of Spirit released 10th from Fortune in February. Gonna watch more and see if it may give me some type of insight. Anyways, hope you're doing good. I'm married now, have 4 kids, and live in Chattanooga, TN!
Here’s an interesting discovery. When you were speaking about day charts versus night charts, moving from lightness to darkness and vice versa I remembered that my daughter and I share the same exact Lot of Spirit at 24° of Aquarius in the fifth house. I have a night chart while she has a day chart. I went to AstroSeek Lots calculator, using #houses and I found this out. We both have the same ascendant yet at different degrees. that is all. I just find it interesting that I gave birth to her while my lot of spirit was active in the house of children. She’s my one and only.
I am the child of a famous parent and have always felt bad that my fame never quite measured up to theirs. This episode has helped me understand that everyone has a different path to making an impact in the world. I'm looking forward to analyzing lots more so that I can understand my own unique impact and not feel so bad that my life path hasn't looked like others in my family. Thank you so much for all the great work that both of you do
I come from a legacy family too and watched my Dad whose father was a prominent scientist-contributed to the Big Bang theory, always feeling dwarfed by his shadow even though his death was decades before I was born. I have the same chart placements as both my Dad and Grandfather with Uranus and Saturn in strong configurations. It totally shows up.
Isn't it funny how the impulse to watch the stars moves through a family, whether it's astronomy or astrology. I will say, though, that my sister shows little interest in this. So maybe it's just one special person each generation... @CosmicGiggleAstrology @@CosmicGiggleAstrology
OMG, such an epiphany, this 'going toward the dark (material matter)' for the Lot of Fortune and 'going toward the light (spirit)' for the Lot of Spirit! THANK YOU for this... 🌟
Oh, thank goodness for this episode. I've been searching all over the Internet for solid yet easily digestible information about the Part of Fortune ever since I realized that Pluto was going to start doing the cha-cha over mine . . . right about now, actually. The next two years are surely going to be ~*interesting*~ for me, and it'd sure be great to understand why!
My best personal lot story: in 2022, I had been watching Mars sneak up on my Lot of Fortune. It was verrrry slow this time; also square my natal Mars (although this happens every Mars orbit). The day the Mars--Fortune conjunction perfected, I found out I was being laid off my from my day job (you wanted to be a full-time astrologer? HERE YA GO!)
Chris in most programs, when using a computer pen try this. Hold the computer pen for a sec after the stroke, the pen will make the line perfectly straight or will create the circle perfectly round. But I liked your 🌙
I got so excited when I saw the title of this video lol I've been getting more interested in the lots after I realized that all in one day this month I would start a level 2 peak period in the lot of fortune, end a level 1 peak period in the lot of nemesis, and start a level 1 peak period in the lot of victory. Thank you so much for this awesome content; I'm looking forward to diving into this subject!
Chris, I’m so glad to hear you bring up The Secret, etc., I’ve been so annoyed with this manifesting thing as it seems the person (like you said) is always blamed when it doesn’t happen when you know damn well you’ve done it exactly as it was told and yet it didn’t happen so it must be our fault. When stuff doesn’t happen I’m like did I not blink three times, turn my head left 20°, stand on my left foot, chant to the gods, do it on a new moon, and on and on. 😅
@Michelle-cb5jf came to say exactly the same, I am so happy that Chris called the manifestation bs out. There is so much tragedy and inequality out there (that I am experiencing daily as I don't live in 1st world country) and I'm just disgusted by the whole manifestation brainwashing cause the only people that it will ever work for are the ones that are already privileged. (there is a great video essay on youtube called something like 'you didn't manifest it, you are just privileged', highly recommended). And again really grateful for Chris to call it out.
With magic/manifesting so popular today the main problem (besides bogus books like the secret) is we often seek a key that will enable us to manifest more easily but the things we want to manifest are out of alignment with what we should be doing or what humans should even attempt to do. Like with "witchcraft" frequently, the problem is often we have no sense of spirituality connected to it. It is our egoic will and if we overstep life responds to our misguided efforts by making us go through a sort of purgatory of purification. The entire sense of spirituality, like astrology, is there are certain necessities and it's not entirely up to you what you have to address at a given time. People should heed this advice. "Your" will is merely "a "devil" unless it is aligned with a higher will.
@@sundown6748a lot of "manifesting" is also a matter of going with the flow of energies. If your chart indicates strongly that this is not a fruitful time to pursue something but instead shows clearly another matter needing to be addressed then you are swimming against the tide and a lot of force would be needed to overcome it (and it may very well be a terrible idea to pursue it at this time). There are cycles of change going on and we must align with what the present calls us to address. If you try your dream career at the wrong time you could fail, for instance. What is needing to be addressed right now may be what will ultimately prevent your failure when the time comes to follow that career path.
Wow! such an amazing episode!! Thank you so much for sharing all of this very valuable information! Also I will be following Kira on all the platforms!
Thank you Chris and Kira, definitely a classic to sqvve as a resource. I especially liked the way you demonstrated finding the lot of fortune and spirit by hand for both day qnd night charts. So clearly explained with quirky humour too! ❤❤
Just wanted to leave a comment of gratitude for this channel :) I really appreciate you diving so deeply into these topics, its so much nicer to learn from than reading endless articles 🫡
Something about how he talks about the way fortune is calculated makes me wonder if we night charts have less free will and more fate than day charts? That holds up to experience tbh
I have Lot of Fortune & Spirit in the 1st House with my Sun, Moon & Mercury. I definitely have privileges in the way my body looks and functions, despite me not taking great care of it all the time.
This episode is exactly what I needed! I had no idea my Lot of Spirit placement and its aspects would resonate so deeply. Thank you for exposing yet another facet of myself to myself! (hahaha kind of weird to say, but you know what I mean)
My LOF is in Pisces 8H while my LOS is in Capricorn 5H. I do not have fortune in family, parents, relationships, or friends, but art and making a living off of art has always come to me easily
Hi Chris. Thank you so much for teaching me the basics of astrology. I’m reading your book, “Hellenistic Astrology” and studying astrology. You are my go to channel for precise, in depth, and not hard to listen to. I will continue to watch as many videos as I can! ♒️♐️♌️
The Myth of Ur lore & your resultant discussion with Kira is *so* fascinating. I find myself wanting to argue, but none the less this episode is wonderful. Thank you, as always.
The chart of Marie-Antoinette is so vivid. That Lot of Spirit in the 12th house in the decan of Cruelty - 9 of Swords. I am fascinated with placements in this decan as I have my Sun/South Node conjunction in this decan. Oh, wow...then Rubin "Hurricane" Carter...The Lot of Fortune conjunct the South Node in that same decan of Gemini - Cruely - 9 of Swords. Fascinating!
Hi Chris, enjoying this sthanks.. So I have studied Vedic intensely, and am enjoying this, and am drawn to Hellenistic. And I really have to say the way you read a chart in Hellenstic fashion is the same way we read in Vedic. Not the same techniques, or rules, but the same essence. In Vedic sidereal BTW Musck has Ketu in the second (letting go of money) but has the second lord (aquisition) exalted in the 12th with a strong 5th and 9th lord - a powerful combination for money in the 12th house of foreign lands - and he made his fortune across the globe!
Wonderful talk. I’m fan of midpoints and the Arabic parts are also points in a char bringing additional information. I see Arabic parts bringing more information of the j fluente of some planets as they include the ASC, while midpoints are for me more about creative points bringing information about skills and talents.
So interesting! *Aqua stellium* with lot of Fortune in *Capricorn* (9th H) & lot of Spirit in *Leo* (4th H) ☆ yes, Marie Antoinette didn't really have choices in life :/
My lot is exact conjunct my sun in Aquarius 3rd at 17degrees. Saturn in 1st,Sag along with Moon and Mars & N node. My Moon and Asc also exact. I’m a newbie but this all seems significant in either good or bad, or both as you say. I cant tell with Mars and Saturn there. Definitely makes me want to learn more and have Kira do a reading on this. I’ll be in touch. Enjoyed
I’ve been waiting for this episode. ☺️ I’ll have to check it out more thoroughly later as I’m really heavy into Rosicrucian astrology right now and I’ll be more into these more specifically after. Kinda skimmed. It also reminded me, an unusual pattern I found with lots that may be useful to an astrologer (Randon) who posted about a sort of (I’d expect big) “black swan” event with transits, she missed the transiting lot of spirit. I couldn’t gather enough data to have full theory but when people or groups state a similar meaningful experience the transiting MC is often in the 11th with an angular fortune and/or spirit. Sometimes the rulers. Just because I’m here, the rosi’s seem to equate antiscia to past lives and even karma, I noticed I didn’t find an episode on that. I was impressed they view the natal as purely a physical chart, but other charts like antiscia being related to spirit. Nietzsche was used as carrying over the spirit of Venus in aries (mystical idealism) as a talent that quickly advanced his career early on, then shifted to Venus in scorpio (mystical dynamism; his will to power Superman phase) as his later. This was prior to saying sextiles spiritually are the worst possible aspect even though it’s favorable in the physical chart. Putting the native (spiritually) into a world view that they have no prior preparation for which they state lead to his physical and mental health issues. I found it fascinating in contrast to how antiscia and Dodecatemoria are used. There was so much I wanted to study more with lots, but those are topics people don’t openly talk about. I appreciate the episode, kinda surprised since they were discussed really well in the zodiacal releasing.
Here's something that may be missed if you never look at charts with the Asc/Dsc line displayed exactly horizontally, that is a direct result of the calculations for each lot being a reverse of the other: When you rotate a WSH chart so that the ASC/DSC is horizontal, the Lots of Fortune and Spirit will always appear to be above/below each other and perpendicular to the horizon, i.e. if you drew a straight line from Spirit to Fortune or vice versa, the line would be vertical and at 90° to the Asc/Dsc line. This can give a kind of "as above, so below" impression of the symbolic relationship between these two lots. It reminds me of the relationship between a light source and its image on a reflective surface: the reflection is an imperfect version of the real thing, which can be taken as a metaphor for how the mortal life is an imperfect reflection of source/spirit.
1:39:11 I have not read anything about the lots of Eros and Necessity yet, but the method of calculating them using Fortune to Spirit and vice versa implies the Lots of Eros and Necessity have a similar "as above, so below" relationship to each other, and it would be interesting to see whether this connection is reflected in what we get when using the Eros and Necessity calculations based on Venus and Mercury.
Back to the Lots of Spirit and Fortune: because of how they are calculated, the position of the Lots of Spirit and Fortune by house is correlated to the Sun/Moon cycle / Moon phase under which you were born, which may be a handy shortcut if the Lots are not displayed on a chart. Those born under or near to New Moons will have their Spirit&Fortune on the Eastern ("self") side of the chart, near to or conjunct each other and the Asc. Those born under or near to Full Moons will have their Spirit&Fortune on the Western ("other") side of the chart, near to or conjunct each other and the Dsc. Those born under or near to a half moon will have their Lots of Spirit and Fortune appear in or near to an opposition to each other, at the top ("public") and bottom ("private") of the chart (but not necessarily in the 4th and 10th whole sign houses, they could land in 3rd/5th and 9th/11th, depending on the Asc). I have not yet delved into the possibilities with the Half Moons and the differences between Waning and Gibbous moons, and Day and Night charts, but I'm sure there is plenty to find.
Fantastic episode!! My POF is in Aquarius in the 1st house and Lot of Spirit in Sagittarius in the 11th house. My fortune seems to reside in spiritual and creative self expression related to humanitarian efforts!
I'm about 80% done with this video and I felt compelled to comment. Lot of Fortune- Cancer 9H. Lot of Spirit- Aquarius 4H. Lot of Eros- Leo 10H. I have Moon in Leo 10H and Aquarius in 4H. Full moon in Leo today and is Pluto currently in Aquarius? Or it will be soon. I need to dig deeper now bcuz i just , must. I need to finish and re-watch this video when I'm not so tired. Many thanks, this information was eye opening.
Wow, Chris, absolutely brilliant...glad you made that 2007 discovery! Thanks for sharing your profound knowledge! Btw, I did buy your book which is enlightening!
Your explanation regarding calculation was so straightforward, especially the reverse (clockwise) model! I have Moon at 0 and Sun at 21 in the same sign...the backwards version was by far the easiest.
2:05:00 Fortuna is what it's name suggests. It brings Fortune or the health of an individual. Placing it in the 6th house suggests something to do with service or medicine or even small animals etc., and not bad luck to ones fortune because it is placed in a house of misfortune which has other meanings beside that. For a malefic Part of Fortune we look to The Part of Nemesis(Saturn) calculated by asc + fortune - Saturn. Remember when using Whole sign houses the ancients used to refer to the sign only so Fortuna in Gemini was the primary focus. Sign and house are the same thing with this system. Another key point to remember is Lots are points in space, not celestial bodies they do not have dignity because of that. They do not act upon but are influenced by other bodies in conjunction or even in aspect to them to a minor degree.
I'm glad to know that there is a lot of lentils. I recently had a lentil crisis. I was making soup and well you know the rest😂 Great discussion thank you for the video ❤
Hi Chris and Kira great show I have bought lottery tickets around my Fortune and find I am lucky when the transit Sun is conjunct my DAY Fortune and transit MOON is conjunct my NIGHT Fortune at same time. I have also found to buy lottery tickets when transit Jupiter is in my DAY Fortune House (13 weeks), transit Jupiter is in NIGHT Fortune House (13 weeks), transit Jupiter is in pleasure House 5 (13 weeks), transit Jupiter is in Inheritance House 8 (13 weeks). You forgot to mention Elon Musk has Jupiter in House 5!
This is a really good episode, but the history fan in me is like WAIT. Queen Elizabeth did NOT become heir because her uncle, King Edward, wanted to marry a commoner. He wanted to marry a twice-divorced commoner (divorce at that time being forbidden for remarriage in the Church of England, of which the monarch is head), who was also having affairs with MULTIPLE NOT-SEE OFFICIALS, and passing them state secrets, to the point that Edward wasn’t allowed to receive sensitive information. Saying it was “because she was a commoner” is completely missing the point! 😂 Other than that, excellent show. Thank you for your work!
OMG I’ve been digging into LOF lately! I’ve looked at mine and a few friends. Pre biased impression before watching this… I noticed it’s something that is almost like a talent. Amongst myself and friends it’s tied to what people seek you out for. I could see it bringing a lot of pride and recognition but it also feels like a burden in a sense you are always living up to it and sort of leading people to it for their own good. For example my Partners is in Libra in 11H and he has an uncanny way of solving intrapersonal issues. He wants to start a supportive shared community. I have it in Sagittarius in 1H and I have the tendency to make people feel good about themselves in a philosophical sense of how they fit in the world but it’s from encouraging self expression in art and sex ed. Ok now I’m pressing play. Let’s see 👀
Lot of Furtune 10°, Rising 13°, Lot of Spirit 15° all in my 1st House of Gemini ♊️ Mercury in the 6th house of Scorpio at 29° Stationary Retrograde at the day of my birth.
Interesting as to how something happens to us in life. Dr's told me one chance in a million re my son born with 3 holes in his heart. He is ihc as well. Pluto was in my birthchart in 5th house of Leo. He has several planets in Aquarius. In 11th house of friends clubs. He now lives in care with 5 other people.
I looked it up and according to a CBS article which was a tribute to Frida Kahlo, it states that her death was “controversial” due to some speculation that she overdosed on pain medication, but the “official” cause of death was a pulmonary embolism brought on by a case of pneumonia it is stated. Loving this episode btw…thank you!🤩
I have a night chart. My Lot of Fortune is in my 6th house in Libra with Saturn; Venus is in my 5th house in Virgo. My Lot of Spirit is in my 7th house, conjunct a retrograde Mercury in Scorpio; Mars is in my 9th house in Sagittarius. I'm hoping my Spirit is buoyant enough to help me get through whatever my Fortune has in store! 😂
I have Lot of Fortune exact conjunct Sun at 14* Gem conj. Venus R at 23* 6th house.. with mutual reception to 22* Mercury conj. Mars 24* in Taurus TRINE- ASC Moon, Neptune all exact at 27* Cap and Jupiter R at 16* Cap… I also have Uranus R at 4* Aquarius in 2nd house trine North Node in Libra 14* and the Sun and LOF ( Grand air trine) …. So Where is Saturn the host of this party in Cap and Aqua? In a place of a aquesition at 5* Aries trine Pluto exactly conj MC at 1* Sag. I always knew my Lot of fortune is in really special position so I am so happy that you did an episode about it. I would love some insight on mine because as you see it stands out! Since childhood I am saying I am going to win big money in lottery and I am really into election astrology with helping me on it and to say to the world - its Thanks to astrology, so take it seriously people haha… I’m also a painter and feeling that this is also going to be big
Advice needed please as my lot of fortune is 1.5 degrees of aquarius and lot of spirit 26 degrees of pisces which is close to the positions of neptune sextile pluto in March. At the same time my lot of courage is 21 degrees taurus and so is my progressed sun of which uranus will be conjunct. These are in my 6th, 8th and 10th house. Should I be looking for a different career or would this be to my detriment? All advice is appreciated 😊
For example if your Lot of Fortune is in the 1st. The planetary ruler is however in retrograde in another house. This means that the effects of this house will be linked to the Lot of Fortune and may represent aspects to both utilize and overcome to attain fortune. Right.
I have the Lot of Fortune in Taurus, in the 10th WS house in a night chart. The ingress into 10th house coincided with the death of my mother and I retired two years ago. When Uranus came into orb for my 24 degree LoF, my health took a turn for the worse, and I've been struggling with chronic illness (6th house stellium) ever since as Uranus goes back and forth. I had a successful career, but this period has been 'shocking'. With lightening speed, I am less able than I was just 3 years ago. I have Uranus in the ascendant at 25 degrees. 😑
I just encountered a fascinating example in one-time richest man in the world Andrew Carnegie. His lot of fortune is on the midheaven in Virgo, ruled by Mercury which is conjunct the ascendant in Scorpio and has a nice trine from an exalted Jupiter. Mars is in the 2nd in a night chart about 6 degrees from Venus; both are ruled by that exalted Jupiter. He may also be an interesting case study for eclipses as he was born just after a total solar eclipse and before a lunar eclipse.
What is the lot of exaltation and how is it calculated? It was referenced under Marie Antoinette but not in the beginning discussing Hermetic lots. Thank you!
It feels like there is a missing lot for the distance between Mercury and the lot of spirit (or vis versa depending on if it's a day or night time chart). The reason it feels like this is because Mercury is part of both day and night sects and is neither malefic or benefic but can behave as both depending on what it is interacting with.
Okay I really can't figure out why Astro Seek calculates the Lot of Fortune in the exact opposite way you explained it @1:20:00. Astro Seek calculates Lot of Fortune in a night chart as SUN - MOON, not MOON - SUN. Can someone explain this to me? I feel I can't move forward with my study until I sort out which one is which.
thank yall for all of this great information, will watch this again. Im still learning so much about Zodical Releasing but i've noticed I have my first Level 2 "LBs" for Eros and Spirit on the SAME DAY, 1/31/2030.. is that normal!? I definitely will have my eye on that day and surrounding time as it approaches! thanks again^^
I have a lot of fortune in 4th by house / 5th by sign. As much as I can admit to some luck, it doesn’t come easy and it always has some kind of price attached to it. Sometimes I would rather not have it so I don’t have to go through what comes with it.
Let me know in the comments if you find a good example of the Lot of Fortune or the Lot if Spirit and how they work in practice!
u said we r gona talk a little bit about and a little bit about.. 3x
Were u making a joke dividing up a lot into a bunch of little bits?
cuz before u said a lot of astrologers use the part of lot... haha so funny, I love word cleverity
its pretty easy to explain why astrology works in scientific terms, you just have to compare our brain to a radio. The pineal gland in conjunction with pituitary and the spinal fluid, although others might be important as well, works just like a radio that picks up frequencies. When you try to pick up a frequency on the radio, and you change or press some buttons, our brain works in the exact same way when it picks up frequencies from everywhere. Every planet that has an electromagnetic field (basically all of them), emits a certain frequency, some even transposed those frequencies into sounds, creating the song of the solar system. Whereas in our case we are picking up frequencies in the MegaHertz range on our radio, our brain picks up and also emits frequencies that are a whole level lower, less that 40 Hertz in most cases. Whereas we have buttons on the radio to adjust to a frequency that has data on it, the planets (and actually every body in the solar system) act as buttons for you brain radio. The bigger the button, the higher its magnetic field, the more data there is on that frequency. When certain alignments reoccur, people are picking up those same frequencies, therefore history repeats in trend, however adapted to the current technology and culture. There are so many other things that can explained by this, even referencing to the Bible or other religious text, and this the why the ancient personified each planet, each constellation, etc. This is not science fiction, its science, and our solar system is a giant brain. Anyone can look up everything said in this statement, and I actually have a hard time understanding why modern astrologers don't present astrology in this context. Astrology is for astronomy, the same as psychology for physiology.
Resonance
LOF and LOS both in Cancer in the 7th with Saturn in detriment. :( Help!
"The Lot of Fortune is the hand you're dealt, and the Lot of Spirit is how you play your cards." Love it!!
The irony is, the lot of spirit is also a hand we’re dealt (I certainly didn’t consciously choose a 6th house LOS with saturn co-present haha)
@@gabiklw - True that. It can make one's head hurt. Also...👋to a fellow Saturn in 6th! It helps ensure everything hurts. :)
@@gabiklw Spirit is a hand we're dealt. No way I chose a lot of Spirit in Aquarius (Saturn-ruled) in the first decan...The Mark of Exile.
Damn, man. Glad to see you're doing good and thriving in this newer technical age. I remember us all being in the group on MySpace back in the day!
I actually found you, and subsequently this video, because I just learned that my Lot of Spirit released 10th from Fortune in February. Gonna watch more and see if it may give me some type of insight.
Anyways, hope you're doing good. I'm married now, have 4 kids, and live in Chattanooga, TN!
And my wife's name is Keara lol.
Oh and this is Chris Condra by the way! We were in contact quite often back in 2007-2010
Hey good to hear from you! I hope you're doing well! I still remember that consultation we did in Second Life!
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@1:03:59 lot of fortune Vs spirit
@1:51:10 lots and the houses
@1:59:03 lots and signs
@2:05:52 condition
@2:09:38 example charts
Thank you!
Terimakasih
I had a consultation with Kira and she was magical!!!
Here’s an interesting discovery. When you were speaking about day charts versus night charts, moving from lightness to darkness and vice versa I remembered that my daughter and I share the same exact Lot of Spirit at 24° of Aquarius in the fifth house. I have a night chart while she has a day chart. I went to AstroSeek Lots calculator, using #houses and I found this out. We both have the same ascendant yet at different degrees. that is all. I just find it interesting that I gave birth to her while my lot of spirit was active in the house of children. She’s my one and only.
Aw!
Whoa that is incredible!
this is so cute
I am the child of a famous parent and have always felt bad that my fame never quite measured up to theirs. This episode has helped me understand that everyone has a different path to making an impact in the world. I'm looking forward to analyzing lots more so that I can understand my own unique impact and not feel so bad that my life path hasn't looked like others in my family. Thank you so much for all the great work that both of you do
Don’t worry so much. 😊
I come from a legacy family too and watched my Dad whose father was a prominent scientist-contributed to the Big Bang theory, always feeling dwarfed by his shadow even though his death was decades before I was born.
I have the same chart placements as both my Dad and Grandfather with Uranus and Saturn in strong configurations.
It totally shows up.
Isn't it funny how the impulse to watch the stars moves through a family, whether it's astronomy or astrology. I will say, though, that my sister shows little interest in this. So maybe it's just one special person each generation... @CosmicGiggleAstrology @@CosmicGiggleAstrology
@@TeeKeepsthank you for your positivity!
OMG, such an epiphany, this 'going toward the dark (material matter)' for the Lot of Fortune and 'going toward the light (spirit)' for the Lot of Spirit! THANK YOU for this... 🌟
Oh, thank goodness for this episode. I've been searching all over the Internet for solid yet easily digestible information about the Part of Fortune ever since I realized that Pluto was going to start doing the cha-cha over mine . . . right about now, actually. The next two years are surely going to be ~*interesting*~ for me, and it'd sure be great to understand why!
See chris this is what makes your pod cast not only great , but also important!!! And Im barrel y 10 minutes in.
My best personal lot story: in 2022, I had been watching Mars sneak up on my Lot of Fortune. It was verrrry slow this time; also square my natal Mars (although this happens every Mars orbit). The day the Mars--Fortune conjunction perfected, I found out I was being laid off my from my day job (you wanted to be a full-time astrologer? HERE YA GO!)
Chris in most programs, when using a computer pen try this. Hold the computer pen for a sec after the stroke, the pen will make the line perfectly straight or will create the circle perfectly round. But I liked your 🌙
My lot of fortune is in my 5th house Aquarius, so it's pretty apt for me that this video was released at this time. Thanks Chris and Kira!
Thank you for this amazing information and conversation.
Knowledge is power. Discernment is wisdom.
So excited about this episode! Kira is brilliant, I love her writing on the Lots and other trad topics. Thank you both!
I got so excited when I saw the title of this video lol I've been getting more interested in the lots after I realized that all in one day this month I would start a level 2 peak period in the lot of fortune, end a level 1 peak period in the lot of nemesis, and start a level 1 peak period in the lot of victory. Thank you so much for this awesome content; I'm looking forward to diving into this subject!
Chris, I’m so glad to hear you bring up The Secret, etc., I’ve been so annoyed with this manifesting thing as it seems the person (like you said) is always blamed when it doesn’t happen when you know damn well you’ve done it exactly as it was told and yet it didn’t happen so it must be our fault. When stuff doesn’t happen I’m like did I not blink three times, turn my head left 20°, stand on my left foot, chant to the gods, do it on a new moon, and on and on. 😅
A lot of manifestations is believing you are worthy
@Michelle-cb5jf came to say exactly the same, I am so happy that Chris called the manifestation bs out. There is so much tragedy and inequality out there (that I am experiencing daily as I don't live in 1st world country) and I'm just disgusted by the whole manifestation brainwashing cause the only people that it will ever work for are the ones that are already privileged. (there is a great video essay on youtube called something like 'you didn't manifest it, you are just privileged', highly recommended). And again really grateful for Chris to call it out.
With magic/manifesting so popular today the main problem (besides bogus books like the secret) is we often seek a key that will enable us to manifest more easily but the things we want to manifest are out of alignment with what we should be doing or what humans should even attempt to do. Like with "witchcraft" frequently, the problem is often we have no sense of spirituality connected to it. It is our egoic will and if we overstep life responds to our misguided efforts by making us go through a sort of purgatory of purification. The entire sense of spirituality, like astrology, is there are certain necessities and it's not entirely up to you what you have to address at a given time. People should heed this advice. "Your" will is merely "a "devil" unless it is aligned with a higher will.
@@sundown6748a lot of "manifesting" is also a matter of going with the flow of energies. If your chart indicates strongly that this is not a fruitful time to pursue something but instead shows clearly another matter needing to be addressed then you are swimming against the tide and a lot of force would be needed to overcome it (and it may very well be a terrible idea to pursue it at this time). There are cycles of change going on and we must align with what the present calls us to address. If you try your dream career at the wrong time you could fail, for instance. What is needing to be addressed right now may be what will ultimately prevent your failure when the time comes to follow that career path.
Wow! such an amazing episode!! Thank you so much for sharing all of this very valuable information! Also I will be following Kira on all the platforms!
Thank you Chris and Kyra very illuminating and nourishing. That book - The Secret is a dangerous one.
Thank you Chris and Kira, definitely a classic to sqvve as a resource. I especially liked the way you demonstrated finding the lot of fortune and spirit by hand for both day qnd night charts. So clearly explained with quirky humour too! ❤❤
Just wanted to leave a comment of gratitude for this channel :)
I really appreciate you diving so deeply into these topics, its so much nicer to learn from than reading endless articles 🫡
Woah. The way that the Lot Of Fortune echoes the Sun/Moon aspect is so helpful for my intuitive understanding of it’s identity.
Perfect timing for a lecture on lots and as always so informative. Thank you ❤
I love your content! You are my all time favorite astrologer and teacher! You bring so much to my spirit/soul with all your wonderful content! ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Something about how he talks about the way fortune is calculated makes me wonder if we night charts have less free will and more fate than day charts? That holds up to experience tbh
This is absolutely fascinating! Thank you both for such an illuminating discussion!
Thank you two 🙏 A great pleasure listening to your talk. I understand the activation of my birthchart much better now.
I have Lot of Fortune & Spirit in the 1st House with my Sun, Moon & Mercury. I definitely have privileges in the way my body looks and functions, despite me not taking great care of it all the time.
This episode is exactly what I needed! I had no idea my Lot of Spirit placement and its aspects would resonate so deeply. Thank you for exposing yet another facet of myself to myself! (hahaha kind of weird to say, but you know what I mean)
this episode was just what i needed to hear today, thank u
My LOF is in Pisces 8H while my LOS is in Capricorn 5H. I do not have fortune in family, parents, relationships, or friends, but art and making a living off of art has always come to me easily
Thank you for covering this topic. It’s been a mystery in my chart. ❤
I love this topic! This episode is such a vibe.✨❤️
Hi Chris. Thank you so much for teaching me the basics of astrology. I’m reading your book, “Hellenistic Astrology” and studying astrology. You are my go to channel for precise, in depth, and not hard to listen to. I will continue to watch as many videos as I can! ♒️♐️♌️
The Myth of Ur lore & your resultant discussion with Kira is *so* fascinating. I find myself wanting to argue, but none the less this episode is wonderful. Thank you, as always.
The chart of Marie-Antoinette is so vivid. That Lot of Spirit in the 12th house in the decan of Cruelty - 9 of Swords. I am fascinated with placements in this decan as I have my Sun/South Node conjunction in this decan. Oh, wow...then Rubin "Hurricane" Carter...The Lot of Fortune conjunct the South Node in that same decan of Gemini - Cruely - 9 of Swords. Fascinating!
Hi Chris, enjoying this sthanks.. So I have studied Vedic intensely, and am enjoying this, and am drawn to Hellenistic. And I really have to say the way you read a chart in Hellenstic fashion is the same way we read in Vedic. Not the same techniques, or rules, but the same essence. In Vedic sidereal BTW Musck has Ketu in the second (letting go of money) but has the second lord (aquisition) exalted in the 12th with a strong 5th and 9th lord - a powerful combination for money in the 12th house of foreign lands - and he made his fortune across the globe!
I like this episode a lot. There was lots of good information. It was a lot to take in. Thank you for making all this information available. 🙏
Love the discussion about nuances around privilege at the beginning of the example section!
Wonderful talk. I’m fan of midpoints and the Arabic parts are also points in a char bringing additional information. I see Arabic parts bringing more information of the j fluente of some planets as they include the ASC, while midpoints are for me more about creative points bringing information about skills and talents.
So interesting! *Aqua stellium* with lot of Fortune in *Capricorn* (9th H) & lot of Spirit in *Leo* (4th H) ☆ yes, Marie Antoinette didn't really have choices in life :/
This is a FANTASTIC episode!!! I need those dice!
My lot is exact conjunct my sun in Aquarius 3rd at 17degrees.
Saturn in 1st,Sag along with Moon and Mars & N node.
My Moon and Asc also exact. I’m a newbie but this all seems significant in either good or bad, or both as you say. I cant tell with Mars and Saturn there.
Definitely makes me want to learn more and have Kira do a reading on this. I’ll be in touch. Enjoyed
I’ve been waiting for this episode. ☺️ I’ll have to check it out more thoroughly later as I’m really heavy into Rosicrucian astrology right now and I’ll be more into these more specifically after. Kinda skimmed. It also reminded me, an unusual pattern I found with lots that may be useful to an astrologer (Randon) who posted about a sort of (I’d expect big) “black swan” event with transits, she missed the transiting lot of spirit. I couldn’t gather enough data to have full theory but when people or groups state a similar meaningful experience the transiting MC is often in the 11th with an angular fortune and/or spirit. Sometimes the rulers.
Just because I’m here, the rosi’s seem to equate antiscia to past lives and even karma, I noticed I didn’t find an episode on that. I was impressed they view the natal as purely a physical chart, but other charts like antiscia being related to spirit. Nietzsche was used as carrying over the spirit of Venus in aries (mystical idealism) as a talent that quickly advanced his career early on, then shifted to Venus in scorpio (mystical dynamism; his will to power Superman phase) as his later. This was prior to saying sextiles spiritually are the worst possible aspect even though it’s favorable in the physical chart. Putting the native (spiritually) into a world view that they have no prior preparation for which they state lead to his physical and mental health issues. I found it fascinating in contrast to how antiscia and Dodecatemoria are used.
There was so much I wanted to study more with lots, but those are topics people don’t openly talk about.
I appreciate the episode, kinda surprised since they were discussed really well in the zodiacal releasing.
I’ve been waiting for this episode 💛
Here's something that may be missed if you never look at charts with the Asc/Dsc line displayed exactly horizontally, that is a direct result of the calculations for each lot being a reverse of the other:
When you rotate a WSH chart so that the ASC/DSC is horizontal, the Lots of Fortune and Spirit will always appear to be above/below each other and perpendicular to the horizon, i.e. if you drew a straight line from Spirit to Fortune or vice versa, the line would be vertical and at 90° to the Asc/Dsc line.
This can give a kind of "as above, so below" impression of the symbolic relationship between these two lots.
It reminds me of the relationship between a light source and its image on a reflective surface: the reflection is an imperfect version of the real thing, which can be taken as a metaphor for how the mortal life is an imperfect reflection of source/spirit.
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I have not read anything about the lots of Eros and Necessity yet, but the method of calculating them using Fortune to Spirit and vice versa implies the Lots of Eros and Necessity have a similar "as above, so below" relationship to each other, and it would be interesting to see whether this connection is reflected in what we get when using the Eros and Necessity calculations based on Venus and Mercury.
Back to the Lots of Spirit and Fortune: because of how they are calculated, the position of the Lots of Spirit and Fortune by house is correlated to the Sun/Moon cycle / Moon phase under which you were born, which may be a handy shortcut if the Lots are not displayed on a chart.
Those born under or near to New Moons will have their Spirit&Fortune on the Eastern ("self") side of the chart, near to or conjunct each other and the Asc.
Those born under or near to Full Moons will have their Spirit&Fortune on the Western ("other") side of the chart, near to or conjunct each other and the Dsc.
Those born under or near to a half moon will have their Lots of Spirit and Fortune appear in or near to an opposition to each other, at the top ("public") and bottom ("private") of the chart (but not necessarily in the 4th and 10th whole sign houses, they could land in 3rd/5th and 9th/11th, depending on the Asc).
I have not yet delved into the possibilities with the Half Moons and the differences between Waning and Gibbous moons, and Day and Night charts, but I'm sure there is plenty to find.
I'm soooooo excited, for this video😊. Nobody can teach this subject better than you.
Watched this on my Mercury return (exact conjunction) which is the ruler of my lot of fortune. Quite an amusing detail! Lovely, as always.
Fantastic episode!! My POF is in Aquarius in the 1st house and Lot of Spirit in Sagittarius in the 11th house. My fortune seems to reside in spiritual and creative self expression related to humanitarian efforts!
Yas! Ok this was affirming
Need part 2 with more examples ❤❤❤❤ thank you
I'm about 80% done with this video and I felt compelled to comment.
Lot of Fortune- Cancer 9H.
Lot of Spirit- Aquarius 4H.
Lot of Eros-
Leo 10H.
I have Moon in Leo 10H
and Aquarius in 4H. Full moon in Leo today and is Pluto currently in Aquarius? Or it will be soon.
I need to dig deeper now bcuz i just , must. I need to finish and re-watch this video when I'm not so tired.
Many thanks, this information was eye opening.
What a brilliant explanation of sect light, thank you.
Wow, Chris, absolutely brilliant...glad you made that 2007 discovery! Thanks for sharing your profound knowledge! Btw, I did buy your book which is enlightening!
Your explanation regarding calculation was so straightforward, especially the reverse (clockwise) model! I have Moon at 0 and Sun at 21 in the same sign...the backwards version was by far the easiest.
Impeccable timing sir 🧐
This was fascinating….I enjoyed this so much! I will watch this several more times. Great learning experience!!
Ooo, can’t wait to dig into this! 🎉perfect timing 😊
i love you chris it was so mind blowing when u were talking about the movement from the main luminary to darkness astrology is amazing
Thank you Chris and Kira for a great and interesting video.
excellent excellent discussion. Thank you so much for this.
2:05:00 Fortuna is what it's name suggests. It brings Fortune or the health of an individual. Placing it in the 6th house suggests something to do with service or medicine or even small animals etc., and not bad luck to ones fortune because it is placed in a house of misfortune which has other meanings beside that. For a malefic Part of Fortune we look to The Part of Nemesis(Saturn) calculated by asc + fortune - Saturn. Remember when using Whole sign houses the ancients used to refer to the sign only so Fortuna in Gemini was the primary focus. Sign and house are the same thing with this system. Another key point to remember is Lots are points in space, not celestial bodies they do not have dignity because of that. They do not act upon but are influenced by other bodies in conjunction or even in aspect to them to a minor degree.
I'm glad to know that there is a lot of lentils.
I recently had a lentil crisis.
I was making soup and well you know the rest😂
Great discussion
thank you for the video
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What an very educational, flowing conversation. I didn’t Kira before but I think she’s great. Thank you so much again to put that up for free.
Hi Chris and Kira great show I have bought lottery tickets around my Fortune and find I am lucky when the transit Sun is conjunct my DAY Fortune and transit MOON is conjunct my NIGHT Fortune at same time. I have also found to buy lottery tickets when transit Jupiter is in my DAY Fortune House (13 weeks), transit Jupiter is in NIGHT Fortune House (13 weeks), transit Jupiter is in pleasure House 5 (13 weeks), transit Jupiter is in Inheritance House 8 (13 weeks). You forgot to mention Elon Musk has Jupiter in House 5!
This is a really good episode, but the history fan in me is like WAIT. Queen Elizabeth did NOT become heir because her uncle, King Edward, wanted to marry a commoner. He wanted to marry a twice-divorced commoner (divorce at that time being forbidden for remarriage in the Church of England, of which the monarch is head), who was also having affairs with MULTIPLE NOT-SEE OFFICIALS, and passing them state secrets, to the point that Edward wasn’t allowed to receive sensitive information. Saying it was “because she was a commoner” is completely missing the point! 😂
Other than that, excellent show. Thank you for your work!
OMG I’ve been digging into LOF lately! I’ve looked at mine and a few friends. Pre biased impression before watching this… I noticed it’s something that is almost like a talent. Amongst myself and friends it’s tied to what people seek you out for. I could see it bringing a lot of pride and recognition but it also feels like a burden in a sense you are always living up to it and sort of leading people to it for their own good. For example my Partners is in Libra in 11H and he has an uncanny way of solving intrapersonal issues. He wants to start a supportive shared community. I have it in Sagittarius in 1H and I have the tendency to make people feel good about themselves in a philosophical sense of how they fit in the world but it’s from encouraging self expression in art and sex ed. Ok now I’m pressing play. Let’s see 👀
I greatly appreciate your generosity in sharing that valuable information ❤
Lot of Furtune 10°, Rising 13°, Lot of Spirit 15° all in my 1st House of Gemini ♊️ Mercury in the 6th house of Scorpio at 29° Stationary Retrograde at the day of my birth.
To the Moon and BACK. Moms favorize this invocation in all times
The lot of fortune has always intrigued me. Thank you for this information.
Interesting as to how something happens to us in life. Dr's told me one chance in a million re my son born with 3 holes in his heart. He is ihc as well. Pluto was in my birthchart in 5th house of Leo. He has several planets in Aquarius. In 11th house of friends clubs. He now lives in care with 5 other people.
She is a sight for sore eyes and lovely to listen too great show too both of you, I've been hooked from the begining. 🖤
I looked it up and according to a CBS article which was a tribute to Frida Kahlo, it states that her death was “controversial” due to some speculation that she overdosed on pain medication, but the “official” cause of death was a pulmonary embolism brought on by a case of pneumonia it is stated. Loving this episode btw…thank you!🤩
yes!!! we love kira!!!
Thanks, guys. Excellent
1) I have a lot of appreciate this video.
2) it is really funny how the word “lot” appears a lot in this video in its other usage.
Thank you!
Just ordered my Astro Dice great show!
Great input Thanks for sharing God bless
I loveee Kira!!!
I’m looking forward to watching this. My lot of fortune is right on the Uranus and Jupiter conjunction in April. Very curious about that 🤔
Mine is as well!
I have a night chart. My Lot of Fortune is in my 6th house in Libra with Saturn; Venus is in my 5th house in Virgo.
My Lot of Spirit is in my 7th house, conjunct a retrograde Mercury in Scorpio; Mars is in my 9th house in Sagittarius.
I'm hoping my Spirit is buoyant enough to help me get through whatever my Fortune has in store! 😂
I have Lot of Fortune exact conjunct Sun at 14* Gem conj. Venus R at 23* 6th house.. with mutual reception to 22* Mercury conj. Mars 24* in Taurus TRINE- ASC Moon, Neptune all exact at 27* Cap and Jupiter R at 16* Cap… I also have Uranus R at 4* Aquarius in 2nd house trine North Node in Libra 14* and the Sun and LOF ( Grand air trine) …. So Where is Saturn the host of this party in Cap and Aqua? In a place of a aquesition at 5* Aries trine Pluto exactly conj MC at 1* Sag. I always knew my Lot of fortune is in really special position so I am so happy that you did an episode about it. I would love some insight on mine because as you see it stands out! Since childhood I am saying I am going to win big money in lottery and I am really into election astrology with helping me on it and to say to the world - its Thanks to astrology, so take it seriously people haha… I’m also a painter and feeling that this is also going to be big
Thank you
Advice needed please as my lot of fortune is 1.5 degrees of aquarius and lot of spirit 26 degrees of pisces which is close to the positions of neptune sextile pluto in March. At the same time my lot of courage is 21 degrees taurus and so is my progressed sun of which uranus will be conjunct. These are in my 6th, 8th and 10th house. Should I be looking for a different career or would this be to my detriment? All advice is appreciated 😊
My lot is in Libra as my sun is in Taurus, moon in Leo and ascendent in cancer. Looking forward to learning more about this subject.
Where is your Venus? And also look at exalted rulers - Moon and Saturn!
For example if your Lot of Fortune is in the 1st. The planetary ruler is however in retrograde in another house. This means that the effects of this house will be linked to the Lot of Fortune and may represent aspects to both utilize and overcome to attain fortune. Right.
I have the Lot of Fortune in Taurus, in the 10th WS house in a night chart. The ingress into 10th house coincided with the death of my mother and I retired two years ago. When Uranus came into orb for my 24 degree LoF, my health took a turn for the worse, and I've been struggling with chronic illness (6th house stellium) ever since as Uranus goes back and forth. I had a successful career, but this period has been 'shocking'. With lightening speed, I am less able than I was just 3 years ago. I have Uranus in the ascendant at 25 degrees. 😑
I just encountered a fascinating example in one-time richest man in the world Andrew Carnegie. His lot of fortune is on the midheaven in Virgo, ruled by Mercury which is conjunct the ascendant in Scorpio and has a nice trine from an exalted Jupiter. Mars is in the 2nd in a night chart about 6 degrees from Venus; both are ruled by that exalted Jupiter. He may also be an interesting case study for eclipses as he was born just after a total solar eclipse and before a lunar eclipse.
Amazing episode! Thanks so mush
Great episode. Thank you.....
YES KIRA !!!!!
What is the lot of exaltation and how is it calculated? It was referenced under Marie Antoinette but not in the beginning discussing Hermetic lots. Thank you!
It feels like there is a missing lot for the distance between Mercury and the lot of spirit (or vis versa depending on if it's a day or night time chart). The reason it feels like this is because Mercury is part of both day and night sects and is neither malefic or benefic but can behave as both depending on what it is interacting with.
oh the timing was perfect
Love this topic! Thoughts on natal Lot of Fortune 13 degrees Cancer 3rd house conjunct Sirius (12 degrees Cancer) ?? 🤔
Okay I really can't figure out why Astro Seek calculates the Lot of Fortune in the exact opposite way you explained it @1:20:00. Astro Seek calculates Lot of Fortune in a night chart as SUN - MOON, not MOON - SUN. Can someone explain this to me? I feel I can't move forward with my study until I sort out which one is which.
thank yall for all of this great information, will watch this again. Im still learning so much about Zodical Releasing but i've noticed I have my first Level 2 "LBs" for Eros and Spirit on the SAME DAY, 1/31/2030.. is that normal!? I definitely will have my eye on that day and surrounding time as it approaches! thanks again^^
I like their chemistry 🎉
I have a lot of fortune in 4th by house / 5th by sign. As much as I can admit to some luck, it doesn’t come easy and it always has some kind of price attached to it. Sometimes I would rather not have it so I don’t have to go through what comes with it.