I have to admit that's the most info in the shortest time I've ever seen regarding mic'ing a cab. No muckin about! That room mic trick was naughty, I'll definitely remember that one!
I position the mics where i think i will get what i need (knowing your mics sound is a plus) I just record a pluck on a muted string and zoom in that tells me wich mic is behind move the mic then i flip phase lower the amps volume get my heaphones tight with a bandana and fine tune the position it's a pretty quick thing but i only use two mics
Will have to give this method a try and the distorted room mic trick = nice! Looking for plugins for auto align and ended up here. I use a few different methods, but this gives a different perspective. Thanks for sharing!
I wish I had the time in the studio to do this. Budget rarely allows for that kind of time for the projects I work on, Auto Align by Sound Radix does the job for me though. When I started multi micing guitars I can now hear the phase problems on my old projects. Very interesting and informative technique though, must definitely give it a try..
I totally know what you’re talking about, but: there are those people spending thousands of bucks for guitars, amps, cabs, pedals, strings and cables, and then on the other side of the glass us engineers can’t spend two minutes for moving one mic in relation to the other? I tend to force the band to coffee breaks for doing this noise cancellation trick, whenever I could… I typically generate the noise just by cranking up the players distortion pedal. Then I‘d boost my headphones to max, so I don’t have to touch the mic pre gain…
Great video, never saw re-amping with pink noise like that. Great 👍🏼 I like Api on guitars a lot, since recently I used the Fairchild and it’s very likable on guitars I agree 😊 At least I have the same re-amp box but have to save money for a beautiful console like that, nice 👌🏼
I have to say I can’t imagine going through all the trouble to do that rather than just making sure the capsules are all lined with one another. Overdriving the preamps on the room mic sounds fucking cool though, 100% going to try that out.
🤦♂️It's the quickest way to get them in phase 🤷♂️ A speaker isn't a flat surface, so which part of it would you "just make sure" the mics are aligned in relation to ?
@@DaveyMulholland dude lining the capsules up will get your mics in phase within like a hundredth of a millisecond, you think using your ears is going to be more accurate than that? And faster?
And obviously we’re talking about the mics being perpendicular to the plane of the speaker. Getting pedantic with the topology of a speaker cone will get you no better results.
I feel like Its actually pretty weird trying decipher whats in or out of phase for guitar amp. You have to apply it to a mix as it’s not black n white; it’s more subjective in certain cases if phase is like wrong or out. Alignment has more subtly than just dipped / 180 degrees w Amps bc the mics are all facing the same direction and are close.
How about we put each of those three microphones on a different speaker? Each speaker may sound different but each microphone also sounds different.It's just an idea that could solve phase problems What do you think?thanks for sharing.
What headphones are being used here? I've used a few pairs to try and position mics in the past but always end up going back and forth to the control room because my cans are never isolated well enough.
I use KRK KNS8400. You don’t have to go full airplane turbine level with this. I often even do this witch a rather quiet level of noise, just barely as loud as the guitar later on… the outcome will be the same, level does not matter for phase…
On the room mic, I didn’t get whether you compensated for the phase like you did for the 3 amp mics…if not, are you effectively creating reverb there by letting the room mic phase drift from the others?
Thank you! That studio tour took a lot of time to set up and do but we love it so much we have recorded a fab piano video at the studio to show of the studio sound, if you have time please give that a watch :-)
Can you not accomplish this by simply zooming in on the wave forms of two different tracks (recorded with different mics) and drag the tracks until you’ve got phase alignment? 🤷♂️
Not necessarily. Unless you're using omni mics, distance will make the sound thinner because of proximity effect. It'll be roomier and less sharp though, which may give a hint of depth, but I'd rather just move the mics sideways off center or angle them off axis. That way you won't lose the bottom end and still get the depth.
Does playing on one amp and then using the DI to re-record ok another amp or using the DI to re-record with more mics cause phase issues due to timing ? I haven’t used a DI before and wonder if there is a meaningful time shift overlaying DI over the same performance . Even if there is a toke shift from overlaying a DI over the same DI.
I understand everything going on her but when it comes to panning and stereo image within your daw what do you do. He has 3 mics ont his one preformnace, are they all stereo per mic and stereo panned around, are they all in mono and panned around, should you record all 3 mic sun mono and pan those all left, and then do another take and do the same to the right side
Yeah so basically for a stereo image you would record these 3 mics then sum it into one track, so it becomes a mono guitar track, pan it all left then double track with another 3 mics, sum that into mono and then pan that right! So in the end you only have 2 guitar tracks with the full tone you want
@@LeeGee First, others and I have been doing variations of this for decades. Second, finding that first “sweet spot” is far more effective if one if listening to an actual guitar playing through the cab, so that the sweet spot represents a musical choice. 3rd, in the mist basic versions of this technique, one can just use the amp hiss to align consecutive/sequential mics relative to the first mic.
The studio desk is catastrophically too deep. You can really see how badly your colleague's back is already broken. Please pay attention to your health and better ergonomics of your workplace.
I have to admit that's the most info in the shortest time I've ever seen regarding mic'ing a cab. No muckin about! That room mic trick was naughty, I'll definitely remember that one!
Clearly, unlimited blow and limitless studio time are a lost art combo.
This guy rules.
This is a Gil Norton method - I learnt this from Sean Genockey back in 2007. I use it every time and it never fails to get a great sound.
Phase is real isn't it! Amazing how just a touch of a finger on one mic alters the tone of the pink! Great video!!!!!
Thanks for watching - hope this was helpful :-)
Yes a touch of a finger on the pink is amazing, or so i've heard.
I position the mics where i think i will get what i need (knowing your mics sound is a plus) I just record a pluck on a muted string and zoom in that tells me wich mic is behind move the mic then i flip phase lower the amps volume get my heaphones tight with a bandana and fine tune the position it's a pretty quick thing but i only use two mics
Nice video. Never heard of this Dan chap, but he obviously knows what he's doing... Cheers for making the video.
Will have to give this method a try and the distorted room mic trick = nice! Looking for plugins for auto align and ended up here. I use a few different methods, but this gives a different perspective. Thanks for sharing!
I wish I had the time in the studio to do this. Budget rarely allows for that kind of time for the projects I work on, Auto Align by Sound Radix does the job for me though. When I started multi micing guitars I can now hear the phase problems on my old projects. Very interesting and informative technique though, must definitely give it a try..
I totally know what you’re talking about, but: there are those people spending thousands of bucks for guitars, amps, cabs, pedals, strings and cables, and then on the other side of the glass us engineers can’t spend two minutes for moving one mic in relation to the other? I tend to force the band to coffee breaks for doing this noise cancellation trick, whenever I could… I typically generate the noise just by cranking up the players distortion pedal. Then I‘d boost my headphones to max, so I don’t have to touch the mic pre gain…
Awesome thanks for sharing, what a wealth of Gtr tone knowledge, Thank You !
Great video.
Thanks!
Great video, never saw re-amping with pink noise like that. Great 👍🏼
I like Api on guitars a lot, since recently I used the Fairchild and it’s very likable on guitars I agree 😊
At least I have the same re-amp box but have to save money for a beautiful console like that, nice 👌🏼
I have to say I can’t imagine going through all the trouble to do that rather than just making sure the capsules are all lined with one another.
Overdriving the preamps on the room mic sounds fucking cool though, 100% going to try that out.
🤦♂️It's the quickest way to get them in phase 🤷♂️
A speaker isn't a flat surface, so which part of it would you "just make sure" the mics are aligned in relation to ?
@@DaveyMulholland dude lining the capsules up will get your mics in phase within like a hundredth of a millisecond, you think using your ears is going to be more accurate than that? And faster?
And obviously we’re talking about the mics being perpendicular to the plane of the speaker. Getting pedantic with the topology of a speaker cone will get you no better results.
@@godofspacetime333 you're a gobsh¡†e mate
Very nice way to do it! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Awesome vid! Will be definitely trying that out :)
Please let us know how you get on 😎
Nice! Henceforth I shall cal this the Gil Norton vacuum cleaner technique 🙏🏽
I feel like Its actually pretty weird trying decipher whats in or out of phase for guitar amp. You have to apply it to a mix as it’s not black n white; it’s more subjective in certain cases if phase is like wrong or out. Alignment has more subtly than just dipped / 180 degrees w Amps bc the mics are all facing the same direction and are close.
How about we put each of those three microphones on a different speaker?
Each speaker may sound different but each microphone also sounds different.It's just an idea that could solve phase problems
What do you think?thanks for sharing.
Great! What are these pres? They distort awesomely
What headphones are being used here? I've used a few pairs to try and position mics in the past but always end up going back and forth to the control room because my cans are never isolated well enough.
I use KRK KNS8400. You don’t have to go full airplane turbine level with this. I often even do this witch a rather quiet level of noise, just barely as loud as the guitar later on… the outcome will be the same, level does not matter for phase…
Mint 👍
Hi. Great video! Thanks. I have one question. Can you please tell me what ribbon mic is that?
this guy is for real. you can tell becuase he has a wizard and a dover$$$$$$$$
On the room mic, I didn’t get whether you compensated for the phase like you did for the 3 amp mics…if not, are you effectively creating reverb there by letting the room mic phase drift from the others?
The intro is killing me, the guy talking about phase issues with his voice having phasing issues is so funny to me 😂
Thank you! That studio tour took a lot of time to set up and do but we love it so much we have recorded a fab piano video at the studio to show of the studio sound, if you have time please give that a watch :-)
Can you not accomplish this by simply zooming in on the wave forms of two different tracks (recorded with different mics) and drag the tracks until you’ve got phase alignment? 🤷♂️
What mic pre do you recommend if I don’t have a board? Tg2, ?
Look how close they are, insane, distance =depth,
Not necessarily. Unless you're using omni mics, distance will make the sound thinner because of proximity effect. It'll be roomier and less sharp though, which may give a hint of depth, but I'd rather just move the mics sideways off center or angle them off axis. That way you won't lose the bottom end and still get the depth.
Does playing on one amp and then using the DI to re-record ok another amp or using the DI to re-record with more mics cause phase issues due to timing ?
I haven’t used a DI before and wonder if there is a meaningful time shift overlaying DI over the same performance . Even if there is a toke shift from overlaying a DI over the same DI.
Can i connect the tbone mb 75 to phone?
Which mic stands are these? Love it
I understand everything going on her but when it comes to panning and stereo image within your daw what do you do. He has 3 mics ont his one preformnace, are they all stereo per mic and stereo panned around, are they all in mono and panned around, should you record all 3 mic sun mono and pan those all left, and then do another take and do the same to the right side
Yeah so basically for a stereo image you would record these 3 mics then sum it into one track, so it becomes a mono guitar track, pan it all left then double track with another 3 mics, sum that into mono and then pan that right! So in the end you only have 2 guitar tracks with the full tone you want
What DB Level is the amp for recording
UhhhgSo what is the sweet spot of pink noise
I was going to post something similar, phase alignment sure, but sweet spot? nah.
S U P E R .......
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
finding the sweet spot for a metal guitar tone with pink noise is just like guessing...
This is the beginner, not-yet-ninja method.
It’s just a method, effective though..
@@LeeGee First, others and I have been doing variations of this for decades. Second, finding that first “sweet spot” is far more effective if one if listening to an actual guitar playing through the cab, so that the sweet spot represents a musical choice. 3rd, in the mist basic versions of this technique, one can just use the amp hiss to align consecutive/sequential mics relative to the first mic.
I looked like that one time when I let my 6 yr old daughter cut my hair.
Seems like your 6 year old is more mature
Just use SysTune……
Imagine paying thousands of dollars to produce music that's worth two dollars.
Lets hear yours cunt
Boring, many have been doing this for years but chasing the bloom is a much better past time
The studio desk is catastrophically too deep. You can really see how badly your colleague's back is already broken. Please pay attention to your health and better ergonomics of your workplace.