Here's the link to my review of the original DF64V ua-cam.com/video/H1bRhOD2u0o/v-deo.html If you order this grinder from df64coffee.com/ please use the coupon code 'tomsgrinderlab' to score a discount. Please note that I receive a modest commision is you use that code and naturally, if you prefer to order from a local supplier, more power to you. For those who prefer to order from within Australia: www.CasaEspresso.com.au and also use the discount code ‘tomsgrinderlab’.
I have the Version 2, and I'm very happy with it. The slow feeder does usually retain a bean, so I have to stop and start the grind process to finish the job, but I wouldn't swap it out. 👍
@propertwb if you are into lighter roasts then I think you will enjoy the clarity that the Mizzens offer. If you remember then I'd love to hear back from you in regard to your impressions.
Indeed. I still don't know why DF feel the need for the CF version if it has the same burrs. Any ideas? I mean it's horizontal versus vertical and maybe an augur is nice but I'm not sure there would be much difference in workflow or in the cup. Maybe?
@@tomsgrinderlab I think I heard it from Lance Hedrick, but now I can't find when and where he said it... If I got it right, vertical burrs with the right kind of auger can do two things: slow-feed the burrs, and pre-break beans before they reach the burrs. This in turn should cause beans from a single dose to be ground more consistently (in a more typical grinder, the first beans slow down the last beans, so some beans spend more time in the burrs than others). This in turn would change how fast the water flows at a given grind setting: the improved consistency would allow grinding finer, for a given dose/yield/contact time, leading to possibly better (though not higher?) extractions. I think this claim may be related to a James Hoffmann video (a few years ago) where he discussed re-grinding coffee. There are also some rare (?) grinders that pre-break beans. So, that could be theory backing the notion that vertical burrs are somehow better. Now of course, maybe the CF64v simply exists to fill a new niche in the market carved by the likes of the Zerno, Philos, Gevi, etc... (BTW the much older EK43 is also vertical.) We'll see!
Hey mate, Im looking to get a DF64 Gen2, or a DF64V Gen2. Outside of the visual design differences im unsure which to lean toward - On forums a lot of people are leaning toward the Df64 gen2. Could you shed some light on which is a safer bet? Also regarding maintenance if there is any differences
Similarly robust. What sort of coffee do you drink? If you like milk coffees then get the V but if you like espresso or you an all rounder (milk coffees and espresso) then go with the DF64 G2 because it offers more clarity. Hope that helps.
@@tomsgrinderlab what's the reason behind such difference, given the burrs are exactly the same? or you were comparing the DLC burrs in the V with the base uncoated steel burrs in DF64?
@kevinalvarado3724 Hi Kevin, the short answer is maybe. Its always a bit hit and miss. But that's true of all grinders including some new ones. If you order from DF64Coffee.com use the coupon code tomsgrinderlab and you'll get a discount but more importantly if you ask them to fit the aftermarket burrs then they will make sure they are aligned. But for most espresso ranges, especially milk drinks (my favorite burr for milk) the stock burrs are very good.
I have the V1 and (at the humidity level that's typical for my kitchen) RDT is not optional - without it the static cling is insane, and I'm not even particularly fussy about mess. It's the only annoying aspect of the grinder. Ok, that and the stupid wooden puck that's never clean. And the lack of PF forks. Three annoying things.
Hey tom what us the best grinder for best tasting espresso please help me decide i am going up and down with df83v(watched your video) , timemore 078s and df64v. I just want to know which will produce the best tasting espresso. I can swap burrs in df64v as it's cheaper so can buy ssp hu . Now it is up to you please decide 😢 or you can also suggest something better if you know in the same price range . Espresso!
Depends very much on your preferred roast depth and taste preferences. If you like a bright juicy light roast espresso (third wave style) then the SSP HU are my pick. For medium or medium/light beans and a more traditional full bodied espresso with some interesting flavor notes separation the stick burrs in the WPM ZP-1 are my top pick or the stock burrs in the VS6. Both of these grinders produce exceptional espresso for my preferred roast depth and espresso style. For the ZP-1 I have a discount for some countries under the video review. PS great question.
I have version 2, but I have big issues with it. My second circuit board got damaged, and I'm not the only one. Symptoms when I turn the socket on, there is a small pop sound, like a small explosion, this sound vary from almost none to loud. There is a transistor on the board that needs to regulate the electricity that goes into grinder and that explode and disintegrate. I advise everyone who has one to open the base and inspect the board. If it looks fine, lucky you. If not, contact the seller to fix it in warranty. Other than that the grinder is great.
Thanks for this video, been wondering if it'd be worth an upgrade. I'm very happy with my original DF64V and right, just don't use any speed below 800. I'm still a little disappointed in the slow speed stalling issue, honestly. Also, I got a slow feeder disk a while back but can't be arsed to install it.
Ha ... me too! They are an amazing bang-for-bucks grinder. I guess you are using very light roast beans or maybe you are on 110v (or both) versus 220v as we have here in Australia? The 220v grinders seem to have less issues with stalling.
@@tomsgrinderlab Right, 110v as I'm in the states. I drink a mix of light and medium roasts and have seen some stalling on light roasts even at 800 RPM once or twice. Hadn't even considered the voltage difference being a factor, but that makes a lot of sense.
@Stantube1000 I regard the bellows as compulsory for Version 1 but optional for Version 2. The amount of exchange grounds is not going to make a difference in the cup.
@@tomsgrinderlab I was hesitant because I don't like how it looks on the counter fitted with bellows. I watched your review of the first version and remember you pointed out bellows were absolute necessity for that grinder. I ordered the new version I will try to run without bellows exclusively and leave the feedback in few months. Thanks for sharing with us your invaluable experience, reviews and keep it up!
For my espesso preferences it would be the DF64 Gen 2. The burrs are the only reason. Same geometry is both burrs but the uncoated version in the DF64 Gen 2 offer more clarity with plently of viscosity and sweetness still
The DF64V2 is such a let down for me. It has 2 plastic declumpers, which cause a massive amount of regrinding. Downgrade from a metal declumper. The 1 piece chute makes it much harder to clean. Then, the plasma generator makes a constant buzzing noise. The unit that I received had an extremely poor alignment. I ended up returning the V2. It's such a big disaappointment for me...
Here's the link to my review of the original DF64V ua-cam.com/video/H1bRhOD2u0o/v-deo.html
If you order this grinder from df64coffee.com/ please use the coupon code 'tomsgrinderlab' to score a discount. Please note that I receive a modest commision is you use that code and naturally, if you prefer to order from a local supplier, more power to you.
For those who prefer to order from within Australia: www.CasaEspresso.com.au and also use the discount code ‘tomsgrinderlab’.
thank you sir
I have the Version 2, and I'm very happy with it. The slow feeder does usually retain a bean, so I have to stop and start the grind process to finish the job, but I wouldn't swap it out. 👍
Good to know.
Thanks for the update. I have the V1 which I really enjoy although I just received the Mizen Omni burrs so that should be interesting.
@propertwb if you are into lighter roasts then I think you will enjoy the clarity that the Mizzens offer. If you remember then I'd love to hear back from you in regard to your impressions.
@@tomsgrinderlab Yes, I’m a light roast person. I’ll let you know.
Hi Tom, with the coming of the cf64v it will be difficult to choose!
Indeed. I still don't know why DF feel the need for the CF version if it has the same burrs. Any ideas? I mean it's horizontal versus vertical and maybe an augur is nice but I'm not sure there would be much difference in workflow or in the cup. Maybe?
@@tomsgrinderlab I think I heard it from Lance Hedrick, but now I can't find when and where he said it...
If I got it right, vertical burrs with the right kind of auger can do two things: slow-feed the burrs, and pre-break beans before they reach the burrs.
This in turn should cause beans from a single dose to be ground more consistently (in a more typical grinder, the first beans slow down the last beans, so some beans spend more time in the burrs than others).
This in turn would change how fast the water flows at a given grind setting: the improved consistency would allow grinding finer, for a given dose/yield/contact time, leading to possibly better (though not higher?) extractions.
I think this claim may be related to a James Hoffmann video (a few years ago) where he discussed re-grinding coffee. There are also some rare (?) grinders that pre-break beans.
So, that could be theory backing the notion that vertical burrs are somehow better. Now of course, maybe the CF64v simply exists to fill a new niche in the market carved by the likes of the Zerno, Philos, Gevi, etc... (BTW the much older EK43 is also vertical.) We'll see!
Hey mate, Im looking to get a DF64 Gen2, or a DF64V Gen2. Outside of the visual design differences im unsure which to lean toward - On forums a lot of people are leaning toward the Df64 gen2. Could you shed some light on which is a safer bet? Also regarding maintenance if there is any differences
Similarly robust. What sort of coffee do you drink? If you like milk coffees then get the V but if you like espresso or you an all rounder (milk coffees and espresso) then go with the DF64 G2 because it offers more clarity. Hope that helps.
@@tomsgrinderlab what's the reason behind such difference, given the burrs are exactly the same? or you were comparing the DLC burrs in the V with the base uncoated steel burrs in DF64?
Hello, if I got this grinder and decide to upgrade the burrs, should I worry about alignment? Or can I just change them and forget about it?
@kevinalvarado3724 Hi Kevin, the short answer is maybe. Its always a bit hit and miss. But that's true of all grinders including some new ones. If you order from DF64Coffee.com use the coupon code tomsgrinderlab and you'll get a discount but more importantly if you ask them to fit the aftermarket burrs then they will make sure they are aligned. But for most espresso ranges, especially milk drinks (my favorite burr for milk) the stock burrs are very good.
tk Tom and last question your chose between Df83V or DF64 GEN 2. Big différence? Tank s for your opinion
DF64 Gen 2. Both very good but for my taste the 64 G2 burrs offer more flavor notes without sacrificing more than a tiny bit of body.
I have the V1 and (at the humidity level that's typical for my kitchen) RDT is not optional - without it the static cling is insane, and I'm not even particularly fussy about mess. It's the only annoying aspect of the grinder. Ok, that and the stupid wooden puck that's never clean. And the lack of PF forks. Three annoying things.
@Hundredthldiot Do you have the oriiginal burrs in it? Hows the coffee?
Hey tom what us the best grinder for best tasting espresso please help me decide i am going up and down with df83v(watched your video) , timemore 078s and df64v. I just want to know which will produce the best tasting espresso. I can swap burrs in df64v as it's cheaper so can buy ssp hu . Now it is up to you please decide 😢 or you can also suggest something better if you know in the same price range . Espresso!
Depends very much on your preferred roast depth and taste preferences. If you like a bright juicy light roast espresso (third wave style) then the SSP HU are my pick. For medium or medium/light beans and a more traditional full bodied espresso with some interesting flavor notes separation the stick burrs in the WPM ZP-1 are my top pick or the stock burrs in the VS6. Both of these grinders produce exceptional espresso for my preferred roast depth and espresso style. For the ZP-1 I have a discount for some countries under the video review. PS great question.
I have version 2, but I have big issues with it. My second circuit board got damaged, and I'm not the only one. Symptoms when I turn the socket on, there is a small pop sound, like a small explosion, this sound vary from almost none to loud. There is a transistor on the board that needs to regulate the electricity that goes into grinder and that explode and disintegrate.
I advise everyone who has one to open the base and inspect the board. If it looks fine, lucky you. If not, contact the seller to fix it in warranty. Other than that the grinder is great.
Thanks for the heads up and hopefully it gets sorted quickly.
df64coffee dont provide the slow feeder by default. its a seperate part
Ah, good to know. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for this video, been wondering if it'd be worth an upgrade. I'm very happy with my original DF64V and right, just don't use any speed below 800. I'm still a little disappointed in the slow speed stalling issue, honestly. Also, I got a slow feeder disk a while back but can't be arsed to install it.
Ha ... me too! They are an amazing bang-for-bucks grinder. I guess you are using very light roast beans or maybe you are on 110v (or both) versus 220v as we have here in Australia? The 220v grinders seem to have less issues with stalling.
@@tomsgrinderlab Right, 110v as I'm in the states. I drink a mix of light and medium roasts and have seen some stalling on light roasts even at 800 RPM once or twice. Hadn't even considered the voltage difference being a factor, but that makes a lot of sense.
Can I use the V2 without the bellows at all?
@Stantube1000 I regard the bellows as compulsory for Version 1 but optional for Version 2. The amount of exchange grounds is not going to make a difference in the cup.
@@tomsgrinderlab I was hesitant because I don't like how it looks on the counter fitted with bellows. I watched your review of the first version and remember you pointed out bellows were absolute necessity for that grinder. I ordered the new version I will try to run without bellows exclusively and leave the feedback in few months. Thanks for sharing with us your invaluable experience, reviews and keep it up!
Your suggestion DF 64 gen2 or DF64V v2?
For my espesso preferences it would be the DF64 Gen 2. The burrs are the only reason. Same geometry is both burrs but the uncoated version in the DF64 Gen 2 offer more clarity with plently of viscosity and sweetness still
The DF64V2 is such a let down for me. It has 2 plastic declumpers, which cause a massive amount of regrinding. Downgrade from a metal declumper. The 1 piece chute makes it much harder to clean. Then, the plasma generator makes a constant buzzing noise. The unit that I received had an extremely poor alignment. I ended up returning the V2. It's such a big disaappointment for me...
I really appreciate you posting about your experience thanks. I'm surprised about the buzzing noise.
@tomsgrinderlab not to mention that the unit i received had horrible alignment, infinitely worse than my gen 1 too