Dragon Age: The Veilguard Has Me Feeling Bittersweet

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  • @97AMAURY
    @97AMAURY 2 дні тому +47

    For me this is a game that I wanted to love and after my first run I even convince myself that this was the best DA but after having some time to process the game I was just feelings empty and frustrated just to realize that I was just fooling myself. At the end this game seems like something that just have to get out and then be forgotten it feel like there is no soul in this game like nothing matter. And to wait all this time just to get a just mediocre game feel so bad because I was hoping that BioWare, knowing that this could be their last game, would try to make the most memorable game possible but instead, maybe by fear, make the most safest game possible just to try to sell more copies and using DA just as a cash grab feel so heartbreaking.

    • @97AMAURY
      @97AMAURY 2 дні тому +2

      The only saving grace where to thing the first one was the last act where it got better but it was to late and the few moments with solas.

    • @carloscrispens4816
      @carloscrispens4816 2 дні тому +7

      That's the word, it lacks soul.

    • @xhadebrinsbane5238
      @xhadebrinsbane5238 4 години тому

      Of course it feels Empty, it's WOKE.

  • @traiforse5777
    @traiforse5777 2 дні тому +22

    I too find the dialogues to be way too simplified and casual most times. The "Discord talk" is a really accurate description imo. Which is why someone with a more 'refined' dialogue like Morrigan shines. Even in DAI, we had more range to dialogues from how each companions differ. Someone like Cassandra spoke eloquently. Then we have regional twang, like Sera's Cockney or Blackwall's Yorkshire. They also have their own unique deliveries, like Cole's poetry or Sera's 'made up' words.
    With the "Tell don't show" problem, I think you already hinted a solution with your note of Morrigan. For new players, some can be genuinely curious or don't really care. And adding the optional question dialogues would give them the choice to inquire or ignore, in addition to not drag veteran players with the over exposition. They did this in Trespasser, where you can ask Solas the whole background of the Evanuris, or go straight to asking what comes next.
    Lastly, the secret ending is such a determent to DAV. It pigeonholed the whole events of the series into a bad cliche, stripping originalities from each game's plots. Which almost like Bioware is not only done with DAV, but the whole series.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  День тому +3

      Yeah, I think giving us the optional questions would've really helped with the exposition. Options are always good!
      I think what they want to do with the secret ending can work, but it really depends on how it's executed (no pun intended lol). I think they need to be very careful with how they present it. When I first watched the secret ending, it came across as if the Executors/Those Across The Sea influenced the previous antagonists directly, retroactively taking away their autonomy and accountability. Later, however, John Epler (on Bluesky) clarified that is not what they were going for- but rather that their actions were still completely their own and they've only been influenced in a way where they were fed the right information at the right time, like how Bartrand got the information for the location of the Red Idol for example. I think I'm okay with it if that's what it is, but again I think it really depends on how this story is told if that's what they're going for in a next installment. (If there is to be one).

  • @richardbubb6062
    @richardbubb6062 2 дні тому +12

    There are 3-4 gigantic elephants i the room when it comes to veilguard that Bioware can't control
    Disco Elysium: Writing and choices never have been sharper in an RPG
    Cyberpunk 2077: Presentation and worldbuilding ( Night City is argubly the main character)
    Baldur's Gate 3: Companion Quests , Romance, interweaving main and sidestory, music
    BONUS:
    Elden Ring: Lore, feel of danger (all souls games btw) enemy variety presentation of Boss fights
    What's left is good but not a great RPG if the game came out in 2019 and did not have as much Joss Weadonesc writing it might be considert as great

    • @HeartoftheWinter
      @HeartoftheWinter 23 години тому

      Another part I would like to include in regards to Elden Ring is the hand holding. Veilguard holds your hand through everything. Not at any point does the game say "You got this. Go out and do this on your own" The game constantly treats you as if you are stupid and/or incompetent, there is not a single puzzle where the companions just do not tell you what to do. While Elden Ring gives you a 10 minute tutorial then kicks you out in the world and trusts you to find your own way.

  • @Neon_Neutral94
    @Neon_Neutral94 День тому +8

    Failure breeds opportunity. I think it’s clear BioWare is no longer staffed with capable writers. Now we know Mass Effect and Dragon Age should be given to better writers.

  • @jenniferhanses
    @jenniferhanses День тому +7

    The game was a mess. After waiting for a sequel to Inquisition for forever, they tried to destroy any connections to prior games, and that was a HUGE mistake.
    Beyond that, the writing was just piss poor. So many cliches like an AI wrote it, not a living breathing person who is thinking about how a living breathing person in this world with a given cultural background would act.
    Unless the next Dragon Age game retcons this one out of existence (and there is a way it could), I hope there isn't another Dragon Age game because they broke the world. It is tainted, and I would not want to go back to the ruins of a thing I loved.

  • @Darkness_cs
    @Darkness_cs 2 дні тому +28

    My biggest problem with Veilguard is the actual story and how it ended, because I knew the game would be very rushed and potentially bad but I still wanted to play it fully for story and lore.
    My second biggest problem with this game is the non-existent fan service, as a die hard fan of Origins I was hoping for different origin stories to make me feel more immersed with my character and the story. I was also hoping to get some closure for my Warden and to have characters from previous games return and have an actual impact in Veilguard which didn't happen. And of course you can add here everything else that people wanted like griffon riding, swimming etc.
    Combat = Absolute garbage, you can use one ability every 30 seconds, the enemy AI is very limited and always has the same limited pattern, you will fall asleep mid fight and dread playing on Nightmare mode; Elgar'Nan was more non-existent than Corypheus and it was actually much easier to beat him ( on Nightmare difficulty ) than most demons
    Exploration = useless, very unrewarding, not to mention the fact that the game was so rushed and we didn't even get a proper exploration of Rivain, Minrathous, The Grand Necropolis and we didn't get to explore a dwarven Thaig at all
    Choices? What choices?
    Romance absolutely useless and unfulfilling.
    Overall you can obviously tell that the game was just very rushed and I just hope that this game's story is not actually canon and something like a dream or one of Varric's novels, but this is probably the last DA game we will ever get. We can only cope for an Origins remaster to ever happen.

    • @suyasuya3995
      @suyasuya3995 2 дні тому +2

      I’m afraid of what will be altered in an Origins remaster

    • @rustymarriott9951
      @rustymarriott9951 2 дні тому

      @@suyasuya3995 You are funny that we are getting an origins remaster

    • @suyasuya3995
      @suyasuya3995 2 дні тому +1

      @@rustymarriott9951 I never said we were getting a remaster of origins. Im guessing you didn’t read the comment i replied to.

    • @iamcsxii4043
      @iamcsxii4043 12 годин тому +1

      Didn’t realize the exploration in origins was so much better than the VG lol

    • @Darkness_cs
      @Darkness_cs 11 годин тому +1

      @@iamcsxii4043 it was more rewarding; also exploring the hinterlands was 10 times better than the useless garbage we got in veilguard

  • @AeschylusShepherd
    @AeschylusShepherd 2 дні тому +3

    I kind of wished Mythal and the Inquisitor got to speak.

  • @jessicab5525
    @jessicab5525 День тому +2

    You hit the nail on the head Lisa. Thank you for making this video 🫶🏻

  • @fkzx77AkaJonasTornqvist
    @fkzx77AkaJonasTornqvist День тому +5

    Angry Joe's rewiew of Dragon Age the veilguard says everything i feel about this game! I have a love and hate relation with Dragon Age the veilguard more hate! I did 1 playthrough and i probably will not touch the game again! In DAO i did 6 playthrough on ps3 6 on xbox like vise in DA2, DAI i did 10 playthrough and i had different world state in! Bioware took away our choices period! I want to know about what happend to the warden and all of my favorite characters! And why can't i be evil??? In DAO i had a SOB mage that was a bloodmage ! The only nice i did was saving the magetower ! I crushed the elves sacriface connor in the fade so i could get the bloodmage power! I loved that playthrough ! In DAI your inqusitior you could choose what you did before your Rook who is he ?!? I really don't don't like him!

  • @rilan_carnavon
    @rilan_carnavon День тому +2

    Thank you for that video. I totally agree with you in regards to your criticism as well as your prais for the game. I'm really grateful for what we've got, especially considering the development process. I just wished there would have been more. More about the companions, more Varric, more Inquisitor, more Solas. I might add, yes even more about the antagonists. After meeting Elgar'nan and Ghily for myself rather than just hearing about them from a very biased Solas, I would have really liked to get to know all the other Evanuris as well. I'm secretly hoping for some ancient Arlathan content (I probably won't get, but a girl can dream). And I am so so relieved, we were able to get a happy Solavellan ending. 💞

  • @sailorniburu411
    @sailorniburu411 2 дні тому +2

    Thank you for your video, Lisa!! 🙏

  • @sizzybubbles
    @sizzybubbles 13 годин тому +1

    Oh boy, I do love hour long thoughts videos! No seriously I like fans really need to get their feels out with longer form content. I agree with most of “thoughts and feels” the only one I can never relate to are the Solas romancers (never did that in inquisition and just never had an interest). Though I wish the inquisitor could have more interactions with Solas in general.
    I really like how you brought up that the companion stories just never got explored enough… they just ended kinda abruptly or conflicts never seem to get resolved. Like how the companion-specific-boss-battles were climax of their story (which I also have issues with) And then that’s just it. Everything is fine now. Hmm. Once again I never romanced Lucanis BUT DANG I if he isn’t one of my favorites! With the demon possession and his complicated character, it just really felt like nothing got properly explored. It’s a good example of how unexplored and unfinished(?) the characters seem. Also, We really needed non-exclamation point times where we could just talk to the companions at home base, like in inquisition, where we could ask more about them.
    Anyway, I could go on forever! I’m akso writing down all my thoughts and feels about Veilguard as it just makes me feel better… may post it somewhere, may not. Just gotta get it out!
    Love your video!

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  9 годин тому

      Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
      Yeah it's such a shame the companion arcs don't have a little more content because the set-ups are all so interesting :(
      If you end up posting your thoughts somewhere I'd love to know, I like reading what other people's experiences with the game were

  • @johnklaassen9125
    @johnklaassen9125 День тому +3

    Did 2 playtroughs to get 100% and made the all the verry view choices, will never touch it again, returned to DAO to finish my mage playtrough.

  • @jcksparrowfan
    @jcksparrowfan 13 годин тому

    The banter can still be permanently interrupted. I've had enemies attack me twice in on go and, the companions just didn't pick their convo up a third time.

  • @calimel9092
    @calimel9092 День тому +2

    as a more casuall player - (combat thema)
    i did enjoy the new combat system in the beginning but it also felt really just like a "oh a fight, lets just hit that combo and move on" because it wasnt that.. challenging. i have the impression it was just the same after the same. the fights felt like more of a stalling to slow the progress while in the other games first two games it was more tied to the story. you had quests and fights connected to you, sure there were bandits to but they felt way more natural than the venatori patrols, antaam soldiers occuping the same spot in the same constellation. dunno. in veilguard it felt for me more like a "here crumbs to level".
    i am sad that we did not to get to know Felassan and Solas Story more, reminded by the fact that we visited solas memorys.
    i did like how they connected the companions dialogues after an interruption.
    Same with the dialogues we can have with our companions. I miss the CHOICE to actually ask them things and not just three phrasings of basically the same.
    another one is the dialouges. the casuall chats you get feel so... forced. the phrasing is sometimes so...bodyshakingly aweful.
    The suicide mission is so...unsatisfing. i dont know if it had to be devastating, but the fakt that is does not matter if they are heros of the veilguard, but that the choosen one at one point someone has to die, regardless of the bonds. despite how much time you invest with them and the fractions.
    The romances are somewhat halfbaked? The characters are precious everyone of their own characteristics, but the missing way to how the bonds deepen of show us, here that was a spark, this made him/her/them fall in love for rook. slowburn or fast pace, BUT its just something missing for me. it can be the complete opposite for you, its just for me it is missing some essentials.
    AND YES. Taashs companion Quest. I feel like its unjust. That we decide for THEM what they should or have to embrace rivaini or qunari? Let them figure it out! Let her have time to discover it for herself. For me it feels like we press a stamp on them to say "yea embrace this, the other part is not worth embracing". missing the option to say life like you see it fit is somewhat downgrading their quest.
    aaand i better stop myself here for the rest.
    In shot: it is for me an okay-ish game, but cahracter wise i think they all miss some essentials, the combat is repetative combo spamming, the CC is awesome, i love the scenerys and places but the phrasing or dialogues are sometimes strange, despite that i love the idea of the companions, even if i think some of them are more annoying than others. and for me its just not the same feeling, the urge to replay it more and more

  • @jcksparrowfan
    @jcksparrowfan 12 годин тому

    The thig is about Anders/Justice, it changes drastically depending on whether your friendmance him or rivalmance him.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  10 годин тому

      You mean his relationship with Justice? What's it like when you rivalmance him? I've only ever done the friendmance or non-romance high friendship route

  • @tomizu5
    @tomizu5 19 годин тому

    Such a good video which sums up all my feelings about the game! I loved it, but... yeah. I enjoyed my two playthroughs (Emmrich and Lucanis romances) and when I put the game away for the time being, I was surprised how little it was on my mind. I kept thinking about Inquisition or other games for weeks and months after finishing them, breathing the fandom and everything, but with Veilguard it's different. I still follow tons of DATV fans on Bluesky, enjoy screenshots of their Rooks etc., but I rarely think about my Rook and my own headcanons for them and the world. It's making me sad and disappointed.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  9 годин тому

      I get that :( I do still think about the game often and I'm planning to do a couple more playthroughs in the near future, but in terms of headcanon I noticed I'm not as invested in thinking about what happens next for my Rook compared to my Inquisitor after Inquisition. I think for me, the reason is, after Inquisition we knew the next game was coming and we had something to look forward to. We knew the basics of what the game would be about as well and I found it fun to make headcanons based on that. Now, we're not even sure if there will be a next DA game, and if there is a next game, we don't know how relevant Rook and their companions will be. Makes me kinda sad because I did get pretty attached to my Rook in the end. I just wish we had some sort of epilogue scene... ahh I could go on and on so I'll just stop myself here xD

  • @DanielJosephBaker
    @DanielJosephBaker День тому +3

    Amazing: Character Creator
    Good: Combat
    Okay: Level Design & Mission Design
    Story: Disappointing
    Companions: Mediocre
    Overall: good/okay
    Replay: No desire. One and done for me

  • @spellandshield
    @spellandshield День тому +3

    Wow, dit is een heel lange opname...ik kijk eruit naar!

  • @jcksparrowfan
    @jcksparrowfan 13 годин тому

    Wait, you can import your inquisitor into a new save? HOW? I have to recreate my Inquisitor every time.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  9 годин тому

      It's a bit of a hassle, but before you import your Rook, you need to go all the way to the Inquisitor in the CC, then edit something about their appearance. Then you go back to import your Rook, once your Rook has been imported you can go back to the Inquisitor and they should be imported as well. This post on Bsky explains it well: bsky.app/profile/saewuvv.bsky.social/post/3lbepygnrt22o

  • @calimel9092
    @calimel9092 День тому +1

    i did enjoy the game but after taking off my rose-tinted glasses and being aware of the troubles they had making the game, its solid.
    ßand despite criticizing (or whining) about what bugs me, i like the game, but really wished it would get updates to be more refind, adding stuff to make it more round and complete like the comapnions... but as we wont get anything..
    i like that we have closure, not the one i hoped for but...well. something atleast. aaaaand many more questions, space to speculate

  • @Знаток-м6и
    @Знаток-м6и День тому

    My main problem with this game is that you are not given the opportunity to play as a character. In each of the series I had a party member whom I conflicted (Morrigan Fenris Solas) But in this game you simply cannot go beyond the "friendly protagonist" and this applies to almost all aspects of the game.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  8 годин тому

      Yeah, I feel like it's also a lot harder to get disapproval from the companions this time around, which I was actually a bit surprised by. I got disapproval only a few times throughout the entire game

  • @danwoods8195
    @danwoods8195 15 годин тому

    Thank you for your opinion, im still waiting for a sale

  • @danielshorrock8271
    @danielshorrock8271 2 дні тому +1

    I agree with everything you said in this video 😊

  • @adnanrivera7795
    @adnanrivera7795 2 дні тому

    I finished it nightmare. Given I was Qunari grey warden, champion spec. Even if I’m tanking you sometimes need Davrin or Taasg to take the enemies off of you.

  • @kimmoruohoniemi7158
    @kimmoruohoniemi7158 День тому

    I found the game fun as a action RPG, with pretty levels that were interesting to explore. Good combat as well. The heroes were too selfish tho; they kept focused on their personal issues all the time. Real heroes would have focused their time on helping others, not just helping themselves and their friends. That selfishness of the Veilguard left a sour taste.
    It was disappointing the new update did not add NG+. Still, it is encouraging that they are still updating the game. This means there is still a team working on the game, which in turn means it might get that NG+ everyone wants.

    • @healsallwounds
      @healsallwounds 14 годин тому

      They just issued their final update for Veilguard. As of now, there is no one working on the game.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  9 годин тому

      Yes like healsallwounds said, we recently got the final patch. I'm actually a little surprised they're not adding a Golden Nug, or a feature similar to it.

  • @darkbeach72
    @darkbeach72 11 годин тому

    I hated the way that I felt trapped in my party choice because of the applies/detonates pairings. I wish that the party members could have their combos synergies reordered.
    It's wild how they force Taash into a cultural binary, something that is not a thing for most of the world, considering their gender plot. The writing is just crazy undercooked, I was waiting for them to say you can be a Qunvainian just like you're a tomboy, or whatever.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  8 годин тому

      Yeah I get that. I think you can get away with ignoring the combos and just going with whoever you feel like bringing along on lower difficulties, but probably not so much on higher difficulties. I tend to base my party on which companions fit best with the story of the quest I'm doing, and it usually worked out for me on Adventurer. Then again, I was lucky that my Rook had a combo with Lucanis, who I brought almost everywhere (x

  • @mysteriousfox88
    @mysteriousfox88 День тому

    they reboot the characters and story with every sequel

  • @carmenwillow7991
    @carmenwillow7991 День тому

    The romances were shallow and light because the writers were writing this game for young adults (early puberty 13-15) just as the dialogue is modernized for the same age group ( think about the reading level of the dialogue). Someone on the DA:V team decided they needed to reach a younger crowd! Go back and compare it to games you KNOW were written for young teams. You’ll see what I mean.
    Obviously a poor decision- one that will probably close BioWare.

  • @minashepard1255
    @minashepard1255 День тому +1

    I will say the dialogue and story plotline was a little lacking with Veilguard. Nevertheless I enjoyed the game, the levels were just beautifully designed and so detailed. The interactions with Manfred and Assan were just wholesome and made the game all the more sweeter. Had Bioware and EA spent more time on the game and stuck the original plot Veilguard would have been easily the best in the franchise. I played as an Elven Crow who romanced Lucanis on my first run-through and it was a slow burn. On my second playthrough I played an Elven Mournwatcher who fell for our dear Emmrich. Both romances were so sweet. Currently on my third playthrough with my Human Greywarden Micah also romancing Emmrich. I'd give VG a 7.5/10. Thanks for posting Lisa.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  8 годин тому

      Agreed, all the areas are absolutely stunning. Plus the game released in a super polished state, too! Despite being stuck in development hell for so long and having so many issues behind the scenes the game actually had a pretty smooth launch as far as I've heard, not a lot of game-breaking bugs. I'm planning on romancing Emmrich on my next playthrough and with everything I've seen and heard about his romance I'm so excited 😄 What's it like playing as a Grey Warden? How's the reactivity?

  • @danielshorrock8271
    @danielshorrock8271 2 дні тому

    I romanced Bellara on my. 2nd playthrough and Elgar'nan took her which ruined my romance with her I plan on romancing her again but this time Elgar'nan can take Neve😂

    • @adnanrivera7795
      @adnanrivera7795 2 дні тому

      Yeah if you romance bellara and she gets kidnapped you don’t get to do it with her.

    • @LisaLynnsTavern
      @LisaLynnsTavern  День тому

      Oh noo hahaha, isn't there a scene with her after getting her back?

  • @KCville6324
    @KCville6324 День тому +1

    Every single aspect of this game is awful and to say otherwise is an abject lie that people in this comment section is just lying to themselves.
    The absurdly bad writing.
    The terrible dialogue
    The awful characters
    The agenda pushing that doesnt fit in a dark medival fantasy game
    The railroaded gameplay
    The "you can only be this way" gameplay
    The destruction of previous story
    There is no saving grace to this game and to say or believe otherwise is wantimg to push your own agenda because you WANT it to be good.
    The best thing that bioware could do is release a statement that veilguard was a horrible mistake and they are giving it to a group that actually cares about DA and gamers to make a real sequel

    • @jr5687
      @jr5687 День тому +1

      So is she lying the whole video?

  • @ScáthachAssassin
    @ScáthachAssassin 2 дні тому +9

    Bitter because it destroyed my favorite franchise. Sweet because it failed and dealt a heavy blow to fake journalism and woke games.