Thank you guys so much for watching! This video took a while and was a lot longer than I intended it to be but I like the end result! Jimmy jr was highly requested and for good reason. I hope you guys enjoy watching this hour long video. If you want you can tell me your favorite Jimmy jr moments or catch phrases down below 🧡💙 *Also there seems to be people who think I was implying bisexual people have no romantic attraction. Which I never said. I was trying to say that he may be Jimmy may be aro but he might also be bisexual or gay. I was listing off different identities people have speculated for Jimmy to possibly be. Those are the 3 suggestions I see the most. If he has romantic interests gay/bi (Due to his interactions with Zeke and Tina). But if not then aro. I just wanted to clear up that I know the difference between sexual and romantic attraction. I should've worded it better.
I'm 100% Team Zeke for Tina, but I do sometimes like Jimmy Jr. I thought him trying to 'win back' Zeke during the double-butt episode was pretty funny, and I genuinely felt sorry for him during Spencer Whatshisname's Modern Dance Seminar.
I am the oldest of a lot of siblings, so I'm coming from the perspective of an older sister. I have siblings in every age range from kids to adult siblings. And even then, I can say it's abnormal to not even say the name of your siblings. Do we always get along? No. Do we embrass each other? Of course. But we're siblings at the end of the day. We acknowledge each other no matter how big or small our age differences were. So, that's why to me its weird that he doesn't even so much as complain about them to his friends. In 14 season he's barely mentioned his brothers. They don't have to get along but it shouldn't feel like Jimmy Jr is an only child. The amount of people who didn't even know they were related is kind of mind blowing. So I do get that to some people its normal to ignore your siblings. Trust me, I understand that very well. However, I think this is more of a case of the show underutilizing a potentially interesting family dynamic. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to argue or anything like that. You're experience is more than valid for sure. I'm just explaining how its abnormal from my prospective. Pretending my siblings don't exist was never really an option for me as the oldest, so it was surprising to me personally.
@TersTrippyTV I wonder if it's because Andy & Ollie are so tightly wrapped up in each other? There's an episode (I think the one where Louise is principal for a day) where Jimmy bewails not having his own twin. They don't need him - they have each other - so he never plays, hangs out with, or generally brothers them because they've got all that covered in their weird codependent dynamic 😅Perhaps he feels excluded, and responds by excluding them in turn. Can't believe I'm defending Jimmy Jr - he's my least favourite character after Cynthia and Jimmy Pesto!
I actually do agree that he feels excluded from them. I do think that you have a solid theory honestly. My thing is that since he's older, I do think that its up to him to try to break the ice. If Louise can find a way to be friends with them and spend time with them then Jimmy could try if he wants to. Andy and Ollie are actually super friendly kids so its not hard to spend time with them as long as they get to stay together at all times lol. All Jimmy has to do is ask and they'll hang out with him no doubt. Plus I do think Andy and Ollie looks up to Jimmy. They call him "our big brother" or they want him to hold their hands when they cross the street. They even openly love their dad even though he kind of ignores them too. So I personally think those two would love to spend time with Jimmy Jr. Either way we need more episode about their family life. I want to know what goes on in the Pesto household. Also I get it lol. He is nowhere near my favorite character either. Defending him is weird for to me too! But when I do these videos I find that being empathetic towards the characters can open new perspectives. Even if you can't stand them lol
Tina having a crush on someone who's mostly cold with her but occasionally gives her the attention she craves is something i find extremely relatable especially at her age.
I was like that when I was Tina's age. It honestly wrecked me for a long time, but in the end, I learned how not to be in relationships and recognize my own self-worth.
@@Daughter_ofStars can you give some pointers about that? I'm still sorta dealing with this. Kinda embarrassing when I'm still struggling with it coming into my 30s
@VilliageSquidiot There's nothing to be embarrassed about! Everyone has their time for self growth, and it never stops. :) When I got out of my last relationship, I focused more on myself and began to realize how much of myself I willingly gave away for the sake of making my partner happy. I pined for attention, sacrificed my own happiness and wellbeing so I could always put them first, and allowed myself to be treated badly because I thought it was what I deserved. But you have to realize how priceless you are. Don't sacrifice yourself for the sake of always putting someone else first. It's okay to be selfish sometimes and decide that you deserve better or that you need to put your own priorities first. Don't let the Jimmy Jr's of the world try to dim your light to make theirs shine brighter. You are amazing. 💕
I really hate him... for Tina As a character, he is a sweetie, most of the time. But as a love interest... no I despise him as Tina's boyfriend. I will always support ZekexTina because THAT is where the true romance exists!
You shouldn't, but you should reevaluate your personal standards of what you want in a relationship. Look at things as if you were tina when he says them and ask yourself if youd really tolerate that treatment.@@salty_4275
From what I gathered, Gene is also an artsy kid who favors music, but Bob doesn't shame Gene for his interests and Linda joins in with Gene's musical antics. Whereas Jimmy Jr's only creative supporter, his mom, doesnt live with them; and Jimmy Pesto is an asshole. Definitely tracks that he would want the creative freedom Gene is granted inside and outside the home.
I think that is the biggest reason why Jimmy is jealous of Gene. Gene is allowed to be more open with his interests and emotions. I think him and Bob also having a semi-close relationship also helps that. He gets to have his mom much more active in his life too
Unless i'm not remembering an episode wasn't the only time he was really jealous of Gene was that two butted goat episode? I mean i'd be a little jealous if my best friend Suddenly hung out with someone else like that, especially at his age. But that could be true im still on season 9 tho
51:09. I always took Tina's obsession with Jimmy as a kind of.........it was more the idea of Jimmy Junior then the actual reality of him. The movie seemed to kind of touch on this, but Jimmy is a tall, good looking guy in her school who is popular. He can also SEEM like a boy more in touch with his feelings as he likes art and dance, and there's also a touch of rebellion in her romance with him because of his family life. I mean if you examine like EVERY piece of young adult or teen media that has been released around Bob's burgers and if you were absorbed in said kind of media (which it is implied Tina is) that is who she would THINK she is supposed to like and/or the romance that she should be pursuing.
I totally agree. I think Tina actually likes Zeke deep down, but doesn't really consciously acknowledge it. Zeke and Tina have helped each other out a lot over the course of the show, from Zeke helping Tina and Louise go to the Boys for Now concert, to the whole mad pooper incident. The two have really gotten to know each other, but Tina's obsession with Jimmy Jr pushes her to seek out the popular boy over the wild child that is Zeke. In episode 14 from season 8, Gene and Louise read Tina's diary and remark on a reoccurring dream she has where Jimmy Jr and Zeke switch heads. This could mean that subconsciously, Tina likes Zeke, but she's also conditioned to seek out Jimmy Jr because he is popular and good-looking.
i think another important piece is that jimmy jr is literally "the boy next door", one of the most classic romance tropes. tina cant get that kind of romance from most of the boys shes dated or been interested in, and would certainly amp her reasoning for obsessing over jimmy jr
I actually really like Jimmy Jr as a character. He's a very typical young teen boy, especially with the type of dad he has. I appreciate the layers they show of him. Also I'm SO glad you mentioned his nonexistent relationship with his brothers, like he literally doesn't even say their names ever! 😭 his relationship with Zeke also has other layers because of this, which you touched on really well
I think he said their names once, but in reference to how he used to gaslight them into thinking there was only one brother and the other twin didn't exist.
Jimmy Jr. probably is quite sad. Apparently his parents are probably divorced, his brothers probably have, er, problems, and he isn't as close to them as the Belcher children are. Bob and his family have MUCH more than probably everyone in town, it seems: love, and THAT is the key to a good life... 😏
@@K37-h1ztheres an episode where he refers to his mum picking him up (its the episode about him doing dance classes with a guy in the industry and being disheartened)
I feel like Jimmy Jr. Probably grew up idolizing his father before he was old enough to understand what was happening. I also would not be surprised if Jimmy Jr. Turned out to be gay or bisexual and his womanizing tendencies are to cover up his feelings and to earn his father’s love.
I feel like Bisexual tbh. There's times where he does like Tina but I think the fear and confusion towards his own feelings leaves a lot up in the air and it is why he disappears so much
Jimmy truly just gives me 12-14 year old boy lmao. He’s not mature and i don’t expect him to be. Given who his dad is i’m surprised he’s not completely awful. He’s not a great love interest for Tina but i find that realistic. People get crushes on less than stellar people all the time, especially those early crushes when you’re figuring out what you like, who you are etc.
Realistic, Yes. But at the same time also frustrating in a 14 season long show. Because characters in animated shows like this don't age or grow up, certain dynamics in a show always run the risk of becoming stale. Which is kind of what happens here. So thats why to me their ages matter but at the same time it doesn't because their gonna be 13 forever. So while it's was realistic and relatable in the first half of the show, at a certain point it got old. Its also realistic to move on from people you thought was so great at one point.
the thing is that clearly there are writers that ship him and Tina, while others don't so his relationship with her depends on the episode, makes it hard to have a clear idea of him
I really feel like once tina gets over him n realizes her self worth, Zeke would be a perfect endgame. Especially since the fanbase already loves him and loves the tension n underlying romance with them even if right now its one-sided
There was so many times that we get alot of Zeke/Tina moments! And while rewatching I think I overthink sometimes but Zeke does have some interest into what Tina says more then when Jimmy Jr. would care to listen. Zeke even mentioned about it in "The Oeder Games"
when zeke said “now i have a story to tell on our wedding day. you dont think its gonna happen but im gonna getcha girl” i shipped them immediately 😭 i hope you get her, zeke
@@joriebelle1 nah I think Josh is better. Zeke has had multiple times where he didn't respect Tina's boundaries. Josh has done that with Jimmy. Josh gives Tina the space she needs
I feel like Tina's frustration at Zeke is partly fueled by her having this ideal that jimmy jr is supposed to be the one who is nice and treats her well, but just isnt. She's chasing a fantasy the whole time and zeke is getting in the way of that by not upholding what she desires from their group dynamic (i.e. for jimmy to be her knight in shining armor and for her to be prioritized above zeke)
I really want to like Jimmy Jr, but he's such a self-absorbed jerk around Tina. I hope he grows up a bit and sorts through this sooner rather than later.
The biggest problem with Jimmy Jr is he’s turning into his dad. He see the way his dad just uses people, and appears happy so he does the same. You can’t tell me he didnt see the way his dad treats his mom & translated that to how he treats Tina. He see the way his dad treats Trevor & assumes that’s how he & Zeke should be. So when his sidekick tries to do something else, he doesn’t know how to process it.
Surprised when you brought up Jimmy and Tina racing during the mile run, Jimmy uses his arms way too much, and Tina doesn't move her arms at all. Pretty big visual clue how opposite they are.
@@HashknightGaming the notion of opposites attract only can be stretched so far, but I really wasn't doing more than pointing out the symbolism. Not commenting on whether opposites attract applies to them.
i really do think most if not all of jimmy jr's behaviour would be explained by him not being attracted to girls but experiencing compulsive heterosexuality. he's pressured by his dad to conform to who his dad wants him to be - not "artsy", and "like him", and womanising/treating women poorly is part of his dad's character. therefore when it comes to dating, jimmy jr is both mimicking his father's behaviour and trying to live up to societal expectations. like, the times he's shown the most active interest in tina are a) when it's a novelty or a rite of passage that he needs A Girl to engage in with, b) when she's not physically there with him so he can emotionally connect with her without having to think about how he's not physically attracted to her, and c) when somebody else is interested in her, which is when it seems like he's motivated by the fear of losing her as a safe option. you could say that's just because he doesn't want to lose his ego boost, but i think it's very helpful and convenient for him to have a girl he knows is always interested who he can call upon whenever he needs to play a heterosexual role, who lets him drop her once she's fulfilled that need. she's a real safety net for him in terms of appearing straight. oh, and d) when she's mean to him/seems uninterested. this ties in with both a) and c), and it's also that that disinterest is an added layer of safety. as a mostly asexual person i have only ever been interested in people i know i don't have a chance with haha, it's a protection from having to act on it. it's easier for him to actively pursue her when she's created distance between them, because it seems like there's less likelihood of it going too far. i see comphet in how he treats becky as well. it reads like "oh now everyone's saying she's cute, if i'm the one to go out with her it says something about my masculinity and affirms my heterosexuality" but then he's not into it on the date - seems like he didn't even want to go, since he was so late. it's also why using tina's picture frame wouldn't register as definitively callous to him because he doesn't attach the same meaning to it, even if he knows tina does. it's all just a vehicle for performing heterosexuality, so to him it doesn't matter which girl's picture is in it. that wouldn't absolve him of how he treats girls, but explaining it as learned behaviour from his dad combined with covering his sexuality makes it sit better for me lol. i can see reading him as asexual, and maybe i'd land there if it weren't for zeke. i don't see the way jimmy jr feels about zeke as brotherly at all (i'm not sure that jju would even have a real understanding of a usual brotherly dynamic lol). the intensity he displays towards zeke is unlike anything he shows for anyone else, and possibly that's to do with how zeke uplifts him - but tina does the same. the way he cares SO MUCH about zeke while not caring much at all about tina as an actual person means that zeke and tina act as foils to each other in terms of jimmy's actual affections. and he reminds me of myself when i was a kid, being so obsessed with and possessive of same sex friends without realising i had crushes on them. jju doesn't have commitment issues when it comes to zeke, he wants zeke with him forever. and his jealousy of gene is interesting given that gene is the show's most queer coded character, who is allowed the freedom to express himself. gene represents everything jju wants: a supportive family, freedom, the ability to ignore societal expectations, and i can see him worrying that zeke might prefer someone like that. and on that - rather than stereotypes, i would say the show leans heavily on queer coding. for jimmy jr the big two are 1) dancing - men dancing has long been associated with queerness in tv/movies (which is not to say that dancing is gay, or that that's a valid stereotype irl, but that it is used as a shorthand in media); jju expresses himself through dance and he wants to be free to do so, but his dad doesn't approve and wants him to be more masculine. and 2) wrestling with zeke, which is essentially "you construct intricate rituals to allow yourself to touch other men" lmao. it's metaphorically interesting how often scenes devolve into zeke and jju rolling around together, especially during scenes where he was talking to tina. it's a sharp contrast: the societal rituals he's supposed to perform, and the one he really wants to. even his protests go into that! because he's trying to be seen as straight and zeke pulling him in to wrestle disrupts that. dear god i could analyse this all day. basically it's not that i wouldn't be surprised if jimmy jr was gay - it's that i think there is a clear, valid reading for it in the show, possibly on purpose, and that everything that is already in the show explains why he behaves the way he does. of course you could always just read him as a shitty, troubled, confused teenage boy who doesn't like tina as much as she wants but likes the ego boost/doesn't want to lose her entirely. i understand why people see that, and i understand why some might think that he is sometimes into her. i just think it's completely possible that she's just an easy way for him to live up to societal expectations. (oh and there's another interesting element in that even though part of dating tina is trying to conform to his father's expectations, he's doing so with the one girl his father would prefer he not date. it's defiant, almost, as if he's trying to spite his dad. sort of a "fuck you for making me do this", "maybe i have to behave like you, but i'm going to do it in a way you won't like".) and it completely doesn't absolve him, it's not okay that tina (and other girls) are just collateral damage. but it does make him easier to understand and a more sympathetic character. and maybe i'm totally wrong, but i don't really care; queer coding is real, and this explains all of his choices better than anything else imo. he's not a callous and cruel character, and he genuinely does like tina as a friend, so i don't think him just using her as an ego boost really holds up to his characterisation overall.
I definitely got vibes, like the only time he's active in his interest in tina is when he has to compete with (and get the attention of) other men. He fights Josh for tina but then it turns more into a dance battle and jealousy that he goea to a dance school and be himself. I can see a weird jrXzeke vibe between them and tbh zeke either is mutual crushing or just has a good handle on himself, but if the characters were allowed to grow up they would def experiment in college and zeke would be bi or jrs bff forever.
I've always wanted to see an episode where Jimmy Jr. is paired with Teddy! It always stuck with me how in Teddy's imaginary family scenario from "Bob Fires the Kids" he says his imaginary son "Jeremy" is his favorite because "he needs him the most. The twins have each other", which is basically what the Pesto kids dynamic is. It's such a bittersweet thing for Teddy to say and I doubt the writers even thought of it that way (especially considering how long it has been) but I just think it would be interesting/sweet to see Teddy interacting with the Pesto kids and maybe get him to care deeply about everything Jimmy Pesto takes for granted. And it would be an opportunity to give Jimmy Jr. a really caring parental figure he could look up to.
@@gabfog I love this and I’ve seen other fan theories that go up this alley but also add that Teddy could end up being with Jimmy Jr‘s mom and he can be the over caring step dad
I have hope for Zeke and Tina, and almost none for Jimmy, romantically. Otherwise, I think they're such fun characters! Jimmy's dancing is relatable and fun, probably because it's his PASSION. 😄
I've been showing my brother Bobs Burgers, and we watched an episode where Jimmy Jr acknowledges Andy and Ollie and my brother was like "wait??? they're related?"
Ugh, *PLEASE* keep uploading Bob's Burgers video essays bc no one's doing it like you. I totally agree that Jimmy Jr's superior as a platonic friend to Tina rather than as a love interest. I would say Zeke is the closest competition we've had since Josh, especially in the later seasons as she outgrew being mean to him as the series has gone on tbh. That being said, I do agree that she needs to date other people.
I always assumed jimmy is gay/ace. He seems to mostly date girls because hes "supposed to". He gets dates to the dance because...thats what you do. He gets a date for events where other kids are going to have dates. Like tina has gone on dates outside of school with other guys. We never hear about jimmy doing that. Him and tina kissed a few times, but its always her seeing fireworks and him being like "ok cool". Id hate him if he was chasing other girls and leading tina on, but you never hear him mention other girls bodies or personalities. He only wants a dance and wrestle with zeke.
I never connected the way he treats Tina and the example his dad sets. And yes, Jimmy jr would be willing to live with his dad to keep going to his school. Losing Zeke would hurt to much. Which is super sad. Great video 👍
I agree with you and think Jimmy doesn’t genuinely *like* like anyone but his insecurity and need to fit in is why he pursues Tina when she’s interested in someone else. I also think Zeke knows this. He’s seen enough of their dynamic that he will keep his crush to himself in order to not making Jimmy uncomfortable, but is also comfortable doing this knowing that this on and off pattern means there’s probably a decent chance for him when they’re older and things have settled. Zeke has this really odd and interesting mature streak with how comfortable he is in himself and where he sees his future going.
honestly i believed jimmy jrs character arc was delving more into a closeted/queer storyline, like he's attempting to emulate his dads relationship with women as a cover because he doesn't know how to express what he feels, it also explains how he only seems interested in Tina when it's about his social image or when another man is involved as a way to show how masculine he is as his dad often emasculates him due to his queer coded interests, alongside explaining why he never commits with women he seems to 'like' (similar with his dad and how he uses women to elevate his image) however something a little more obvious is the multiple Footlose references (made both by jimmy and the shows writing), which is commonly seen as a metaphor for being closeted in a small town, and with the clear link to Jimmys own passions and his relationship with Pesto, it becomes an almost explicit and consistent reference to what is widely considered as queer media portraying a closeted kid with an unsupporting family, this coding is also supported with his almost obsessive relationship with zeke which i struggle to see as sibling-like, as the feelings seem mutual, although more dependant on jimmys side, which paired with the other narratives makes it seem like their relationship is almost experimental, with Jimmy failing to be close with others like he is with zeke despite multiple options to pursue romantically/platonically, jimmy always chooses zeke, while zeke is shown to love jimmy, though still have genuine romance and relationships outside him
100%. His relationship with Zeke gets me the most. I’m bisexual and had a similarly intense friendship when I was his age (definitely a huge crush). And while Zeke seems interested in romance with Tina, Jimmy Jr seems only interested in Zeke. Whether or not this ever gets to addressed in the show, it definitely seems like the story they’re setting up. We just gotta remember that they’re all still kids and messy AF. Lmao
It seems a lil reachy but he does seem gay at times though they never really imply he is. He probably has no sex drive yet and is actually an Asexual who isn't attracted to people but concepts probably
I like Jimmy Jr. a good bit but I agree that the situationship with Tina has ran it's course. Jimmy needs episodes that tackle his family issues and relationship with Zeke over any romantic ones, at least for now. And Tina needs an actual rival for her attention. If they're planning on them being endgame then they need to grow apart.
YASSS I agree with the grow apart storyline. I think it is the most realistic and I think it would cause Jimmy to do a lot of reflecting. I can see them as endgame if he stops taking his parental issues out on Tina
Bobs burgers is my ultimate comfort show… I can’t believe I haven’t come across a channel that does deep dives on it! Keep up the good work! Also, I never really noticed that Jimmy Jr doesn’t interact with his brothers much. I totally want an episode where we get some sweet moments between him and andy and olie.
I almost want to see a little arc where Jimmy does actually meet a girl he genuinely likes and starts dating for real, where he is actively engaged in the relationship. It would be a bit of a role reversal, Tina is usually the one moving on and getting roped back but now Tina is trying to rope Jimmy back, but it doesn't work and she realizes that she really is better off without him leading her on. Maybe keep that for a good few episodes where Tina is getting over him. She finds another boyfriend but Jimmy gets jealous and his new girlfriend breaks up with him over it, but Tina doesn't come back, and puts her foot down instead. She's done it before, it just never really lasts for long.
It’s interesting to hear someone say that the fact Jimmy Jr doesn’t even mention or spend time with his brothers is ‘weird’, prior to watching Bob’s Burgers, I just thought it was unhealthy, but that’s how reality is like. Growing up, my mum would pit me and my siblings against each other constantly, the whole package - I was smarter than my siblings, my sister was prettier than me, my brother was sweeter than my sister and I, etc. and we hated it so much that we’d distance ourselves from each other and the only way someone would connect the dots between us would be by our last names, which is a common name so practically no one knew we were all siblings. Watching the Belchers’ siblings made me cry - at 26 years old, I hadn’t even realised that they were how siblings were supposed to act towards each other. I feel strongly for Jimmy Jr - I was pitted against my siblings the most, and I used to wish for a twin too.
Sorry to hear that. I hope you know that when I write these videos I'm strictly only talking about the characters in context with the show. I'm not universally passing judgment on anyone in real life. Real life has nuances but bobs burgers is a show with writers and messages. I think their relationship is weird in the context of a TV show. It's a missed opportunity for the writers to define their relationship as good or bad or even neutral. Andy and Ollie aren't pitted against Jimmy Jr at all as far as we know. The twins do like their older brother. Jimmy's only jealous because he wants a close connection like twins have. That's all we know about his relationship with his brothers. The fact that we don't really know their dynamic is what was weird to me. Not the fact that they may not be close. It just feels like writers forget they are related. We don't know how Jimmy feels about his brothers. We don't know what their relationship is like at all because the writers don't include details about it. That's why I called it weird. Hope that explains things.
I adore Jimmy Jr. as a character, but my God he is the worst boyfriend for Tina. He really just doesn’t seem like he’s emotionally ready to be dating people because he does the dumbest shit to the girl and ends up hurting their feelings but doesn’t seem to grasp why. But he seems like a sweet kid overall and he’s definitely a good friend most of the time so I have no problems with him outside of his life really
Honestly you hit the nail on the head. Allot of my issues with Jimmy Jr are exclusively how he strings Tina along. (As you said the way Tina is written doesn't help the situation either.) But i wish the writers would just drop the stupid 'will they, won't they,' thing as its really not needed. And there are plenty of other things they can do with him outside of just being Tina's love interest. He legit has no character outside that. Show his relationship with his mum, show him excel in his dancing e.g. maybe he gets a part in a theatre show, maybe he and Josh could even bond over their love of dance, give him more moments with his brothers. E.g. maybe the reason Andy and Ollie are so co-dependent is because they feel like he doesn't even like them, maybe they say have a moment where they say something like 'why can't we be as close at Tina, Gene and Louise are.' Literally anything but continuing the constant relationship thing.
Something else I'd like to point out is that the only way Jimmy Pesto Sr. could have majority custody of Jimmy Jr. and his brothers, despite his obvious neglect and inability to parent, is if Jimmy's mom straight up told the court she didn't want custody of the kids. So not only is Jimmy Jr. dealing with a bad father figure, but he is dealing with a mother who regrets having him. Which would also explain why he treats Tina the way he does.
@themedia1271 thats not true though. There are many other reasons Jimmy Snr could have custody including the mother not being able to financially support the kids, having a disability, or potentially being a worse parent than Jimmy Snr.
His name is JIMMY PESTO JR. Of course he hates his dad. Jimmy sees his 14 YEAR OLD CHILD as an extension of himself. I think he’s a people pleaser. He doesn’t seem interested in romance at all but just goes with it because he craves whatever affection he can get.
I love the attention you gave to Jimmy Pesto being a horrible dad and setting a bad example for his son in terms of relationships and women. Jimmy Jr. seems to have a modicum of respect more for Tina than his dad has for other women, but not enough for them to work as a couple. In fact, the dude needs a LOT of therapy or at least a better role model before he can be in any relationship. Being a bystander, letting Tammy pick on Tina, his apathy towards his brothers, Zeke is his only functional relationship and in that case Jimmy Jr. is pretty clingy and it's easy to see why. (And yes, I ship it too.) Honestly so much of Jimmy Jr.'s issues can be traced back to his home life. Unsupportive dad, a mom he doesn't get to see that often aside from her driving him to dance classes, no relationship with his brothers, we need an episode where he ends up staying with the Belchers and gets a taste of what a REAL family is like.
Re: Jimmy Jr.'s stance on bullying. I think the reason Jimmy Jr. doesn't stand up to Tammy (from a writing standpoint) is that the episode isn't often about Jimmy Jr. and his growth or learning. I think Jimmy Jr.'s role in the show is, 9 times out of 10, to be part of a representation of peer pressure for Tina, especially in episodes where Tammy is bullying her. When he stands up to Zeke's bullying, it's because the episode is partially about him learning and growing as a person in some capacity. He's one of the main characters of that episode rather than a side character who frames the learning and growing for the main character. Within the show's universe, I would theorize that Jimmy Jr. doesn't stand up to Tammy's bullying for a couple of reasons. Firstly, she's a friend, but not a close friend. I think Jimmy Jr., being a 13 year old kid, probably doesn't want to deal with the fallout of calling someone like Tammy out. Zeke is different because A. he's Jimmy Jr.'s best friend and Jimmy Jr. has more emotional investment in Zeke as a person and B. Zeke made fun of another kid's speech impediment, which hits MUCH closer to home to Jimmy Jr. than any of Tammy's bullying. Additionally, given Jimmy Pesto Sr.'s attitude toward women, it could be that Jimmy Jr. sees Tammy's bullying as "normal" cattiness rather than capital-B Bullying. "Of course Tammy is making fun of Tina. That's how Dad says girls are." Or even possibly (since we don't have much context regarding the Pesto kids' mom), "Of course Tammy is making fun of Tina. Mom said stuff like that about Dad's girlfriends all the time."
I understand why he doesn't in the context of the episodes, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of his morals as a person. No matter what reasons he could have to excuse Tammy but not Zeke, bullying is bullying. He only cared when it was effected his inner circle. Thats why I used it as an example of how Jimmy Jr usually operates in a morally gray area. For contrast, Louise as always hated bullies. She tends to stand of for people even if she's not particularly close to them. She even had an episode questioning if it was worth sticking up for people if she's going to keep getting in trouble for it. Personally, I like to focus on just the characters in my video rather than analyze the writing or themes of an episode. So I don't tend to focus on what he represents or his role in the overall story. Instead I find it more fun to talk about him as a person in universe. I try not to theorize too much in my videos and just focus on events that happen in the show if that makes sense. There's 100 ways people can interpret his actions or reasoning so I just leave it to the viewer's to come to their own conclusions or theories about him. I don't want to rationalize everything he does because that can come off as making excuses for his bad actions. But at the same time he's young so I don't want to bash him and write him off as horrible. So I try to keep it balanced between accountability and understanding. Hope that makes sense
@@TersTrippyTV For sure! I wasn't trying to criticize your approach in your video or anything like that. I just enjoy discourse around my favorite shows and bringing my own thoughts to the table. I really like the video and I hope I didn't come across as rude. 😊
Oh of course not! I liked your comment. It was an interesting way to look at things. I was just explaining my approach thats all. I actually might do some videos revolving around a theme instead of a character now that you gave me the idea.
My hc for why Jimmy jr treats women like garbage is bc he isn't really interested. I think he dates girls because that's what he thinks he's supposed to do, but I don't think he really wants to.
So glad I found you channel. Bob’s Burger is one of my comfort shows I like how it is very different from other adult animation. While others have horrible parents. I love how Bob and Linda are just fun parents going through the motion of parenthood with such outspoken kids
It’s so funny to me because the only time he says his own name is in S5 E12 and he doesn’t call himself Jimmy Pesto Jr he calls himself “Jimmy Jr Pesto” insinuating that his legal middle name is Junior
I feel a little like Jimmy doesn’t want to like Tina because Zeke OBVIOUSLY loves her. Who else would leave poop around to help Tina’s photojournalism career?
Excellent analysis of Jimmy Junior!! Time to look up your other videos, I'm excited! Regarding what's said at 55:42, though, I think Tina IS studying her parent's relationship as a guide for her own. At least, their whirlwind romance while dating, quick marriage and reaffirming, dramatic speeches they give each other. Is it any wonder she expects a passionate relationship to happen quickly?
I don’t think that the writers forgot Jimmy Junior is the brother of Andy and Ollie, and remember an article saying when they set out to create the show they want to create a family that actually loved each other and the pesto family across Bob’s Burgers definitely serves to be a foil to the main characters of Bob’s Burgers. Even the food is almost kind of symbolic of their characters. Bob is genuinely passionate about burgers whereas Jimmy just views his restaurant as it means to elevate his own prestige. Even the naming of his son Jimmy Junior comes across incredibly egotistic. as someone who is trying to find my own version of healthy masculinity, it’s kind of blown my mind how much I used to get annoyed by Gene and now he’s one of my favorites, and where I used to have no opinion of Jimmy Jr, I now find him deeply tragic and Zeke as a character who’s grown on me as well. I think it would be a missed opportunity for the writers if they don’t use Jimmy Junior as a way of exploring positive examples of masculinity ? Or at least healing from it. We do kind of get it from Zeke for sure. I love this fucking show. I could go my entire life without watching another show where the family is just fucking toxic to each other and it’s excused in some fashion or were the husband hates his wife. It’s a show that highlights the importance of agency for kids and the immature behavior of adults, or the importance of embracing your inner quirk I guess. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the writers room. 😊
It's hard to think much about Jimmy Junior for me, because it always felt like the joke of his character is that he was a basic, uninteresting guy that Tina was obsessed with for some reason. I never really thought of him as a good or bad character, really, just a character who was there.
i wanna see tina and zeke in a full fledged relationship, and jimmy sobbing in a corner. or a like a love triangle ark. zeke can really call out jimmy on his bs, and maybe he can work out his nonchalant/noncommittal tendencies, have him go on a journey to figure out why he can’t get into romance/emotional stuff like the rest of the kids/his friends. maybe jimmy can have a conversation wit his mom about why her and jimmy senior broke up and tht can open his eyes about his past relationships including tina.
I love your content omg!!! Just saw one of your vids for the first time last week and now I’m OBSESSED and jimmy jr is one of my favs! Love his weird noodle arms dancing😂😂 also I can’t wait for pt 2 of your gene series he’s my favorite fruity boy!
My main problem with jimmy Jr is that he’s no longer a character but a plot device the writers use for whatever Tina story they want to tell. One episode he likes Tina, then he’s completely oblivious to her crush or doesn’t care, then in another he’s a complete jerk (the valentine episode is when this became clear to me). I’m also not a fan of making him “one of the cool kids”. I liked it better at the start of the series where it was clear he was just as much a dork/weird kid as Tina but she’s so awkward/self conscious she thinks he’s out of her league. (him being friends with/focused on hanging with Zeke because it’s clear JJ doesn’t really have many close friends and zeke was also meant to be a different kind of weird/loser kid). I liked that aspect that the kids weren’t the standard popular v. Nerd schtick most shows do but instead we follow all the kinda weird coastal town kids
I have been binging your videos! I love a good video essay. I enjoy hearing people’s thoughts and takes on a lot of different medias. You’re so invested and nice to listen too. You give off number 5 vibes for sure. Excited for future content!
You don’t know how much I needed this video, I loved Jimmy Jr x Tina for a long time but now since I’ve been binging the show I started to hate him a bit 🙃 I felt I was the only one having a love hate relationship
Jimmy Jr's brothers are a complete set together without him. As a multiple, I've listened to my non-multiple, older sister tell me about how envious and left-out she felt from not being one of the multiples. No matter how close she was, we were always in a lower grade, so we were hanging out at school all day without her. Socially, this made her feel left out because she didn't organically know the classmates, stories, and inside jokes.
"Jimmy Jr is a very polarizing figure: People either fully hate him, or people love/hate him. You rarely hear someone fully love him." I feel like I had a seizure :3 Im just messing, thanks for the vid. Polarizing statement, though.
When you mention that Jimmy Jr could be aromantic, I can totally believe that 💯 % bc it makes a lot of sense. And that could make a great episode of him coming out, that way Tina and JJ could work, if he is interested/ready.
50:54 OMG NOW I NEED TO A VIDEO ABOUT ARNOLD AND HELGA!!!! I think It would be interesting to analyze how Arnold fell in love with Helga. And about Helga... omg she is a very deep character! definitely a character that needs analyzing
I recommend @DuskTillShawn if you haven't checked him out yet! He makes long videos on hey Arnold characters and he did a great one on Helga. I may do one someday but you want to watch some videos now, his channel is the way to go.
What could be cool would be a Rudy-style episode for Jimmy jr. We could get to see more of his homelife, how his relationship is with his siblings and father is (how they interact at home) and then maybe something happening, maybe he messes up badly with Tina and gets called out by Zeke, and that’s where he could finally change? Or we get him saying he’s just not ready yet due to his age and stops dating, or we get a better look into his sexuality like the video said, him realizing he is ace or something like that?
These videos are awesome!!!! your details and depth are incredible. it would be awesome to see a rundown of Millie, especially her relationship (obsession) with Louise that turns into a friendship. so much love!!
Really enjoyed this analysis. Makes me want to watch all of Bob's Burgers. It is such a good show from what I've seen. It's understandable if Jimmy Jr. doesn't like Tina or isn't ready for a relationship, but he should make that clear instead of playing with her. As you pointed out Jimmy Jr. usually expresses more interest in Tina when she's being pursued/pursuing other options. They are both still teenagers and you reslly highlighted his sad family life, which I was only vaguely aware of. I could go either way on the ship depending on how it's written, but in general dislike "will they-wont they" style plots.
This makes me want an episode of “pestos pizzaeria” exploring their family dynamic and how the belchers look like through the pesto kids eyes. And I want Jimmy and Tina to finally get together then break up maybe after a couple of eps so they both can finally move on!!!
I'm so glad I found this channel because I love Bob's Burgers! I actually really love Jimmy Jr because he's such a mess and acts like a typical tween boy who doesn't know what he wants. Like no, he doesn't have to be so malicious, but I think I would like to see an arch where Tina is just over Jimmy Jr and he has a full blown crisis about it. Also shout out to Zeke for being the best character over all
oh hell yes i found a bobs burgers video essay series?!! im so exited to binge these this is one of my favorite shows i could listen to ppl talk ab it for hoursss
I was literally playing stardew when you made that reference😂 and i always think about this too cuz demetrius is so proud of maru but he doesnt say diddly squat about sebastian😭
My husband is jealous of how much I love this show and how invested I am in every relationship and dynamic that exists within its community. It drives him nuts that I compare our family to the Belchers😂 Does anyone else relate to this or am I really crazy???
I think a lot of these issues with his character can be boiled down to his character being in the closet. It explains his indifference to Tina (who kinda just declared herself his girlfriend), his overly close relationship with Zeke, his extreme distancing from all of his family, and his unwillingness to stand up to Tammy .
I think its realistic him not being close with Andy and Ollie. I dont think either of his parents nurtured his relationship with the twins and compared to the Belcher siblings dynamics neither Jimmy jr and the twins have anything in common. Im the second youngest out of five siblings with the eldest and I have a similar age gap to Jimmy jr and the twins. He definitely was the emotionally unavailable type of brother we're at best more like family friends at worst just acquaintances. While we love each other we never really did hang out at all in our entire lives. We just didnt have that much in common. Our relationship wasnt really nurtured by our parents,they just let us do our own things never forced or encouraged us to spend time together. He's only close ish to to the second eldest but not close enough to consider him as a best friend as for the rest of our siblings same dynamic just not really close. I'll admit I find Andy and Ollie kinda relatable because the youngest and I while aren't twins did act like twins did everything together, had a lot in common and just easier to bond with. We spent more time with each other than with our older siblings.
I feel like that’s the contrast the writers created between the pesto and belcher family. Jimmy jr has divorced parents, weird brothers, jerk dad, ext.
I think it makes sense the way Jimmy strings Tina along from a writing perspective. He likes edgy girls who take risks, but he's also very emotionally guarded and scared of failure or being left alone. He has to fight for his father's love, and that constant unconditional attention he gets from Tina is likely a nice thing to keep in his back pocket. But that's just it, it's something to fall back on. Tina is his back-up choice. The reliable thing he knows will always be there. And when he thinks his back-up might give up on him, it's terrifying. He plays with girl's hearts because his dad is a bad role model (or he's queer and struggling with not understanding why girls don't make him feel the way he wants them to) so his non-Tina relationships always fail. But Tina is always there. He may not LIKE her. She may be a bit boring for him. But it's better to have a boring back-up plan you don't really like than to not have any security net at all. No matter how many times his other options fall apart, he feels Tina will always be there. But I also agree, this back and forth has gone on too long. The show needs to just develop Jimmy already. He's been in 14 seasons, and I can't think of too many episodes where his character actually got the spotlight and he got to have genuine character development as the focus character of the episode. The dance instructor episode is like one of the only times he's ever actually felt like a main character and not just a love interest.
Thank you guys so much for watching! This video took a while and was a lot longer than I intended it to be but I like the end result! Jimmy jr was highly requested and for good reason. I hope you guys enjoy watching this hour long video. If you want you can tell me your favorite Jimmy jr moments or catch phrases down below 🧡💙
*Also there seems to be people who think I was implying bisexual people have no romantic attraction. Which I never said. I was trying to say that he may be Jimmy may be aro but he might also be bisexual or gay. I was listing off different identities people have speculated for Jimmy to possibly be. Those are the 3 suggestions I see the most. If he has romantic interests gay/bi (Due to his interactions with Zeke and Tina). But if not then aro. I just wanted to clear up that I know the difference between sexual and romantic attraction. I should've worded it better.
I'm 100% Team Zeke for Tina, but I do sometimes like Jimmy Jr. I thought him trying to 'win back' Zeke during the double-butt episode was pretty funny, and I genuinely felt sorry for him during Spencer Whatshisname's Modern Dance Seminar.
I am the oldest of a lot of siblings, so I'm coming from the perspective of an older sister. I have siblings in every age range from kids to adult siblings. And even then, I can say it's abnormal to not even say the name of your siblings. Do we always get along? No. Do we embrass each other? Of course. But we're siblings at the end of the day. We acknowledge each other no matter how big or small our age differences were. So, that's why to me its weird that he doesn't even so much as complain about them to his friends. In 14 season he's barely mentioned his brothers. They don't have to get along but it shouldn't feel like Jimmy Jr is an only child. The amount of people who didn't even know they were related is kind of mind blowing.
So I do get that to some people its normal to ignore your siblings. Trust me, I understand that very well. However, I think this is more of a case of the show underutilizing a potentially interesting family dynamic. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to argue or anything like that. You're experience is more than valid for sure. I'm just explaining how its abnormal from my prospective. Pretending my siblings don't exist was never really an option for me as the oldest, so it was surprising to me personally.
@TersTrippyTV I wonder if it's because Andy & Ollie are so tightly wrapped up in each other? There's an episode (I think the one where Louise is principal for a day) where Jimmy bewails not having his own twin. They don't need him - they have each other - so he never plays, hangs out with, or generally brothers them because they've got all that covered in their weird codependent dynamic 😅Perhaps he feels excluded, and responds by excluding them in turn.
Can't believe I'm defending Jimmy Jr - he's my least favourite character after Cynthia and Jimmy Pesto!
I actually do agree that he feels excluded from them. I do think that you have a solid theory honestly. My thing is that since he's older, I do think that its up to him to try to break the ice. If Louise can find a way to be friends with them and spend time with them then Jimmy could try if he wants to. Andy and Ollie are actually super friendly kids so its not hard to spend time with them as long as they get to stay together at all times lol. All Jimmy has to do is ask and they'll hang out with him no doubt. Plus I do think Andy and Ollie looks up to Jimmy. They call him "our big brother" or they want him to hold their hands when they cross the street. They even openly love their dad even though he kind of ignores them too. So I personally think those two would love to spend time with Jimmy Jr. Either way we need more episode about their family life. I want to know what goes on in the Pesto household.
Also I get it lol. He is nowhere near my favorite character either. Defending him is weird for to me too! But when I do these videos I find that being empathetic towards the characters can open new perspectives. Even if you can't stand them lol
I enjoyed your narration, but the background music was torture. It sounds like a phone ringtone going off quietly, constantly in the background
Tina having a crush on someone who's mostly cold with her but occasionally gives her the attention she craves is something i find extremely relatable especially at her age.
So real for that
I was like that when I was Tina's age. It honestly wrecked me for a long time, but in the end, I learned how not to be in relationships and recognize my own self-worth.
@@Daughter_ofStars can you give some pointers about that? I'm still sorta dealing with this. Kinda embarrassing when I'm still struggling with it coming into my 30s
@VilliageSquidiot There's nothing to be embarrassed about! Everyone has their time for self growth, and it never stops. :) When I got out of my last relationship, I focused more on myself and began to realize how much of myself I willingly gave away for the sake of making my partner happy. I pined for attention, sacrificed my own happiness and wellbeing so I could always put them first, and allowed myself to be treated badly because I thought it was what I deserved.
But you have to realize how priceless you are. Don't sacrifice yourself for the sake of always putting someone else first. It's okay to be selfish sometimes and decide that you deserve better or that you need to put your own priorities first.
Don't let the Jimmy Jr's of the world try to dim your light to make theirs shine brighter. You are amazing. 💕
Im around her age, and thank god Im not like that bc I saw that on media such as bobs burgers
I really hate him... for Tina
As a character, he is a sweetie, most of the time. But as a love interest... no
I despise him as Tina's boyfriend. I will always support ZekexTina because THAT is where the true romance exists!
Agreed! Like Jimmy Jr. and Tina *DO* have cute moments together but Jimmy's behavior toward her sours their relationship potential for me
Same!👍🏾
I feel like a bad guy for shipping jimmy jr and tina 😂
You shouldn't, but you should reevaluate your personal standards of what you want in a relationship. Look at things as if you were tina when he says them and ask yourself if youd really tolerate that treatment.@@salty_4275
"Damn, Tina. Now I got a story to tell on our wedding day. You think that's not gonna happen, but I'll get you, girl. I'm gonna getcha"
From what I gathered, Gene is also an artsy kid who favors music, but Bob doesn't shame Gene for his interests and Linda joins in with Gene's musical antics. Whereas Jimmy Jr's only creative supporter, his mom, doesnt live with them; and Jimmy Pesto is an asshole. Definitely tracks that he would want the creative freedom Gene is granted inside and outside the home.
I think that is the biggest reason why Jimmy is jealous of Gene. Gene is allowed to be more open with his interests and emotions. I think him and Bob also having a semi-close relationship also helps that. He gets to have his mom much more active in his life too
Unless i'm not remembering an episode wasn't the only time he was really jealous of Gene was that two butted goat episode? I mean i'd be a little jealous if my best friend Suddenly hung out with someone else like that, especially at his age. But that could be true im still on season 9 tho
51:09. I always took Tina's obsession with Jimmy as a kind of.........it was more the idea of Jimmy Junior then the actual reality of him. The movie seemed to kind of touch on this, but Jimmy is a tall, good looking guy in her school who is popular. He can also SEEM like a boy more in touch with his feelings as he likes art and dance, and there's also a touch of rebellion in her romance with him because of his family life. I mean if you examine like EVERY piece of young adult or teen media that has been released around Bob's burgers and if you were absorbed in said kind of media (which it is implied Tina is) that is who she would THINK she is supposed to like and/or the romance that she should be pursuing.
Agreed
I totally agree. I think Tina actually likes Zeke deep down, but doesn't really consciously acknowledge it. Zeke and Tina have helped each other out a lot over the course of the show, from Zeke helping Tina and Louise go to the Boys for Now concert, to the whole mad pooper incident. The two have really gotten to know each other, but Tina's obsession with Jimmy Jr pushes her to seek out the popular boy over the wild child that is Zeke. In episode 14 from season 8, Gene and Louise read Tina's diary and remark on a reoccurring dream she has where Jimmy Jr and Zeke switch heads. This could mean that subconsciously, Tina likes Zeke, but she's also conditioned to seek out Jimmy Jr because he is popular and good-looking.
i think another important piece is that jimmy jr is literally "the boy next door", one of the most classic romance tropes. tina cant get that kind of romance from most of the boys shes dated or been interested in, and would certainly amp her reasoning for obsessing over jimmy jr
I actually really like Jimmy Jr as a character.
He's a very typical young teen boy, especially with the type of dad he has. I appreciate the layers they show of him.
Also I'm SO glad you mentioned his nonexistent relationship with his brothers, like he literally doesn't even say their names ever! 😭 his relationship with Zeke also has other layers because of this, which you touched on really well
when he hits that ego death he’ll have empathy for them😭
I think he said their names once, but in reference to how he used to gaslight them into thinking there was only one brother and the other twin didn't exist.
Jimmy Jr. probably is quite sad. Apparently his parents are probably divorced, his brothers probably have, er, problems, and he isn't as close to them as the Belcher children are. Bob and his family have MUCH more than probably everyone in town, it seems: love, and THAT is the key to a good life... 😏
I thought the mom was dead? Maybe I missed a divorce ref somewhere. Just kinda thought she was dead.
@@K37-h1ztheres an episode where he refers to his mum picking him up (its the episode about him doing dance classes with a guy in the industry and being disheartened)
@@K37-h1z Yep, def divorced, Jimmy and the twins have all mentioned staying at there mums or getting presents from her.
@@Parasolhyena also Jimmy Jr mentions his moms new boyfriend a few times, i think
The entire cast is very neurodivergent coded
I feel like Jimmy Jr. Probably grew up idolizing his father before he was old enough to understand what was happening. I also would not be surprised if Jimmy Jr. Turned out to be gay or bisexual and his womanizing tendencies are to cover up his feelings and to earn his father’s love.
I feel like Bisexual tbh. There's times where he does like Tina but I think the fear and confusion towards his own feelings leaves a lot up in the air and it is why he disappears so much
“she puts all her eggs in a poorly made dirty ass basket” LMAO TRUE
Jimmy truly just gives me 12-14 year old boy lmao. He’s not mature and i don’t expect him to be. Given who his dad is i’m surprised he’s not completely awful. He’s not a great love interest for Tina but i find that realistic. People get crushes on less than stellar people all the time, especially those early crushes when you’re figuring out what you like, who you are etc.
Realistic, Yes. But at the same time also frustrating in a 14 season long show. Because characters in animated shows like this don't age or grow up, certain dynamics in a show always run the risk of becoming stale. Which is kind of what happens here. So thats why to me their ages matter but at the same time it doesn't because their gonna be 13 forever. So while it's was realistic and relatable in the first half of the show, at a certain point it got old. Its also realistic to move on from people you thought was so great at one point.
100% feels like a cringey awful "relationship" I had with a guy when I was in 8th/9th grade which is why I love it because it feels real lol
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the thing is that clearly there are writers that ship him and Tina, while others don't so his relationship with her depends on the episode, makes it hard to have a clear idea of him
You're totally right
I really feel like once tina gets over him n realizes her self worth, Zeke would be a perfect endgame. Especially since the fanbase already loves him and loves the tension n underlying romance with them even if right now its one-sided
There was so many times that we get alot of Zeke/Tina moments!
And while rewatching I think I overthink sometimes but Zeke does have some interest into what Tina says more then when Jimmy Jr. would care to listen.
Zeke even mentioned about it in "The Oeder Games"
when zeke said “now i have a story to tell on our wedding day. you dont think its gonna happen but im gonna getcha girl” i shipped them immediately 😭 i hope you get her, zeke
Duncan!
@@joriebelle1 nah I think Josh is better. Zeke has had multiple times where he didn't respect Tina's boundaries. Josh has done that with Jimmy. Josh gives Tina the space she needs
@@lol-ie6nc yes! I love them 💗
I feel like Tina's frustration at Zeke is partly fueled by her having this ideal that jimmy jr is supposed to be the one who is nice and treats her well, but just isnt. She's chasing a fantasy the whole time and zeke is getting in the way of that by not upholding what she desires from their group dynamic (i.e. for jimmy to be her knight in shining armor and for her to be prioritized above zeke)
The only reason he held Zeke accountable is because the kid he used to bully was like Jimmy Jr (speech impediment)
Jimmy Jr was definitely pressuring Zeke to apologize well before he found out about the speech impediment part of the bullying
I really want to like Jimmy Jr, but he's such a self-absorbed jerk around Tina. I hope he grows up a bit and sorts through this sooner rather than later.
The biggest problem with Jimmy Jr is he’s turning into his dad. He see the way his dad just uses people, and appears happy so he does the same. You can’t tell me he didnt see the way his dad treats his mom & translated that to how he treats Tina. He see the way his dad treats Trevor & assumes that’s how he & Zeke should be. So when his sidekick tries to do something else, he doesn’t know how to process it.
Surprised when you brought up Jimmy and Tina racing during the mile run, Jimmy uses his arms way too much, and Tina doesn't move her arms at all. Pretty big visual clue how opposite they are.
@@inarar5334 That often attracts people towards each other.
@@HashknightGaming the notion of opposites attract only can be stretched so far, but I really wasn't doing more than pointing out the symbolism. Not commenting on whether opposites attract applies to them.
i really do think most if not all of jimmy jr's behaviour would be explained by him not being attracted to girls but experiencing compulsive heterosexuality. he's pressured by his dad to conform to who his dad wants him to be - not "artsy", and "like him", and womanising/treating women poorly is part of his dad's character. therefore when it comes to dating, jimmy jr is both mimicking his father's behaviour and trying to live up to societal expectations. like, the times he's shown the most active interest in tina are a) when it's a novelty or a rite of passage that he needs A Girl to engage in with, b) when she's not physically there with him so he can emotionally connect with her without having to think about how he's not physically attracted to her, and c) when somebody else is interested in her, which is when it seems like he's motivated by the fear of losing her as a safe option. you could say that's just because he doesn't want to lose his ego boost, but i think it's very helpful and convenient for him to have a girl he knows is always interested who he can call upon whenever he needs to play a heterosexual role, who lets him drop her once she's fulfilled that need. she's a real safety net for him in terms of appearing straight. oh, and d) when she's mean to him/seems uninterested. this ties in with both a) and c), and it's also that that disinterest is an added layer of safety. as a mostly asexual person i have only ever been interested in people i know i don't have a chance with haha, it's a protection from having to act on it. it's easier for him to actively pursue her when she's created distance between them, because it seems like there's less likelihood of it going too far.
i see comphet in how he treats becky as well. it reads like "oh now everyone's saying she's cute, if i'm the one to go out with her it says something about my masculinity and affirms my heterosexuality" but then he's not into it on the date - seems like he didn't even want to go, since he was so late. it's also why using tina's picture frame wouldn't register as definitively callous to him because he doesn't attach the same meaning to it, even if he knows tina does. it's all just a vehicle for performing heterosexuality, so to him it doesn't matter which girl's picture is in it. that wouldn't absolve him of how he treats girls, but explaining it as learned behaviour from his dad combined with covering his sexuality makes it sit better for me lol.
i can see reading him as asexual, and maybe i'd land there if it weren't for zeke. i don't see the way jimmy jr feels about zeke as brotherly at all (i'm not sure that jju would even have a real understanding of a usual brotherly dynamic lol). the intensity he displays towards zeke is unlike anything he shows for anyone else, and possibly that's to do with how zeke uplifts him - but tina does the same. the way he cares SO MUCH about zeke while not caring much at all about tina as an actual person means that zeke and tina act as foils to each other in terms of jimmy's actual affections.
and he reminds me of myself when i was a kid, being so obsessed with and possessive of same sex friends without realising i had crushes on them. jju doesn't have commitment issues when it comes to zeke, he wants zeke with him forever. and his jealousy of gene is interesting given that gene is the show's most queer coded character, who is allowed the freedom to express himself. gene represents everything jju wants: a supportive family, freedom, the ability to ignore societal expectations, and i can see him worrying that zeke might prefer someone like that.
and on that - rather than stereotypes, i would say the show leans heavily on queer coding. for jimmy jr the big two are 1) dancing - men dancing has long been associated with queerness in tv/movies (which is not to say that dancing is gay, or that that's a valid stereotype irl, but that it is used as a shorthand in media); jju expresses himself through dance and he wants to be free to do so, but his dad doesn't approve and wants him to be more masculine. and 2) wrestling with zeke, which is essentially "you construct intricate rituals to allow yourself to touch other men" lmao. it's metaphorically interesting how often scenes devolve into zeke and jju rolling around together, especially during scenes where he was talking to tina. it's a sharp contrast: the societal rituals he's supposed to perform, and the one he really wants to. even his protests go into that! because he's trying to be seen as straight and zeke pulling him in to wrestle disrupts that.
dear god i could analyse this all day. basically it's not that i wouldn't be surprised if jimmy jr was gay - it's that i think there is a clear, valid reading for it in the show, possibly on purpose, and that everything that is already in the show explains why he behaves the way he does. of course you could always just read him as a shitty, troubled, confused teenage boy who doesn't like tina as much as she wants but likes the ego boost/doesn't want to lose her entirely. i understand why people see that, and i understand why some might think that he is sometimes into her. i just think it's completely possible that she's just an easy way for him to live up to societal expectations. (oh and there's another interesting element in that even though part of dating tina is trying to conform to his father's expectations, he's doing so with the one girl his father would prefer he not date. it's defiant, almost, as if he's trying to spite his dad. sort of a "fuck you for making me do this", "maybe i have to behave like you, but i'm going to do it in a way you won't like".)
and it completely doesn't absolve him, it's not okay that tina (and other girls) are just collateral damage. but it does make him easier to understand and a more sympathetic character. and maybe i'm totally wrong, but i don't really care; queer coding is real, and this explains all of his choices better than anything else imo. he's not a callous and cruel character, and he genuinely does like tina as a friend, so i don't think him just using her as an ego boost really holds up to his characterisation overall.
Thank you for writing this, your analysis is spot on!
"I ain't reading all that" I'm definitely gonna read all that
I didnt consider him gay until now but yes u have convinced me
I definitely got vibes, like the only time he's active in his interest in tina is when he has to compete with (and get the attention of) other men. He fights Josh for tina but then it turns more into a dance battle and jealousy that he goea to a dance school and be himself. I can see a weird jrXzeke vibe between them and tbh zeke either is mutual crushing or just has a good handle on himself, but if the characters were allowed to grow up they would def experiment in college and zeke would be bi or jrs bff forever.
I've always wanted to see an episode where Jimmy Jr. is paired with Teddy! It always stuck with me how in Teddy's imaginary family scenario from "Bob Fires the Kids" he says his imaginary son "Jeremy" is his favorite because "he needs him the most. The twins have each other", which is basically what the Pesto kids dynamic is. It's such a bittersweet thing for Teddy to say and I doubt the writers even thought of it that way (especially considering how long it has been) but I just think it would be interesting/sweet to see Teddy interacting with the Pesto kids and maybe get him to care deeply about everything Jimmy Pesto takes for granted. And it would be an opportunity to give Jimmy Jr. a really caring parental figure he could look up to.
@@gabfog I love this and I’ve seen other fan theories that go up this alley but also add that Teddy could end up being with Jimmy Jr‘s mom and he can be the over caring step dad
"babe, wake up. New Bob's Burgers deep-dive on Ter's Trippy TV just dropped." 😍
I have hope for Zeke and Tina, and almost none for Jimmy, romantically. Otherwise, I think they're such fun characters! Jimmy's dancing is relatable and fun, probably because it's his PASSION. 😄
Tina x Zeke needs more screen time
I've been showing my brother Bobs Burgers, and we watched an episode where Jimmy Jr acknowledges Andy and Ollie and my brother was like "wait??? they're related?"
Ugh, *PLEASE* keep uploading Bob's Burgers video essays bc no one's doing it like you. I totally agree that Jimmy Jr's superior as a platonic friend to Tina rather than as a love interest.
I would say Zeke is the closest competition we've had since Josh, especially in the later seasons as she outgrew being mean to him as the series has gone on tbh. That being said, I do agree that she needs to date other people.
I always assumed jimmy is gay/ace. He seems to mostly date girls because hes "supposed to". He gets dates to the dance because...thats what you do. He gets a date for events where other kids are going to have dates. Like tina has gone on dates outside of school with other guys. We never hear about jimmy doing that.
Him and tina kissed a few times, but its always her seeing fireworks and him being like "ok cool".
Id hate him if he was chasing other girls and leading tina on, but you never hear him mention other girls bodies or personalities. He only wants a dance and wrestle with zeke.
I never connected the way he treats Tina and the example his dad sets.
And yes, Jimmy jr would be willing to live with his dad to keep going to his school. Losing Zeke would hurt to much. Which is super sad.
Great video 👍
I agree with you and think Jimmy doesn’t genuinely *like* like anyone but his insecurity and need to fit in is why he pursues Tina when she’s interested in someone else. I also think Zeke knows this.
He’s seen enough of their dynamic that he will keep his crush to himself in order to not making Jimmy uncomfortable, but is also comfortable doing this knowing that this on and off pattern means there’s probably a decent chance for him when they’re older and things have settled.
Zeke has this really odd and interesting mature streak with how comfortable he is in himself and where he sees his future going.
honestly i believed jimmy jrs character arc was delving more into a closeted/queer storyline, like he's attempting to emulate his dads relationship with women as a cover because he doesn't know how to express what he feels, it also explains how he only seems interested in Tina when it's about his social image or when another man is involved as a way to show how masculine he is as his dad often emasculates him due to his queer coded interests, alongside explaining why he never commits with women he seems to 'like' (similar with his dad and how he uses women to elevate his image) however something a little more obvious is the multiple Footlose references (made both by jimmy and the shows writing), which is commonly seen as a metaphor for being closeted in a small town, and with the clear link to Jimmys own passions and his relationship with Pesto, it becomes an almost explicit and consistent reference to what is widely considered as queer media portraying a closeted kid with an unsupporting family, this coding is also supported with his almost obsessive relationship with zeke which i struggle to see as sibling-like, as the feelings seem mutual, although more dependant on jimmys side, which paired with the other narratives makes it seem like their relationship is almost experimental, with Jimmy failing to be close with others like he is with zeke despite multiple options to pursue romantically/platonically, jimmy always chooses zeke, while zeke is shown to love jimmy, though still have genuine romance and relationships outside him
I actually really love this interpretation and think it should be canon because I think it could save Jimmy Jr's character (imo).
It's a never ending circle then. Tina>Jimmy Jr > Zeke>Tina.
100%. His relationship with Zeke gets me the most. I’m bisexual and had a similarly intense friendship when I was his age (definitely a huge crush). And while Zeke seems interested in romance with Tina, Jimmy Jr seems only interested in Zeke. Whether or not this ever gets to addressed in the show, it definitely seems like the story they’re setting up. We just gotta remember that they’re all still kids and messy AF. Lmao
It seems a lil reachy but he does seem gay at times though they never really imply he is. He probably has no sex drive yet and is actually an Asexual who isn't attracted to people but concepts probably
Tina is like Bob and Zeke is like Linda
Absolutely agree
I like Jimmy Jr. a good bit but I agree that the situationship with Tina has ran it's course. Jimmy needs episodes that tackle his family issues and relationship with Zeke over any romantic ones, at least for now. And Tina needs an actual rival for her attention. If they're planning on them being endgame then they need to grow apart.
YASSS I agree with the grow apart storyline. I think it is the most realistic and I think it would cause Jimmy to do a lot of reflecting. I can see them as endgame if he stops taking his parental issues out on Tina
Bobs burgers is my ultimate comfort show… I can’t believe I haven’t come across a channel that does deep dives on it! Keep up the good work!
Also, I never really noticed that Jimmy Jr doesn’t interact with his brothers much. I totally want an episode where we get some sweet moments between him and andy and olie.
I almost want to see a little arc where Jimmy does actually meet a girl he genuinely likes and starts dating for real, where he is actively engaged in the relationship. It would be a bit of a role reversal, Tina is usually the one moving on and getting roped back but now Tina is trying to rope Jimmy back, but it doesn't work and she realizes that she really is better off without him leading her on. Maybe keep that for a good few episodes where Tina is getting over him. She finds another boyfriend but Jimmy gets jealous and his new girlfriend breaks up with him over it, but Tina doesn't come back, and puts her foot down instead. She's done it before, it just never really lasts for long.
It’s interesting to hear someone say that the fact Jimmy Jr doesn’t even mention or spend time with his brothers is ‘weird’, prior to watching Bob’s Burgers, I just thought it was unhealthy, but that’s how reality is like. Growing up, my mum would pit me and my siblings against each other constantly, the whole package - I was smarter than my siblings, my sister was prettier than me, my brother was sweeter than my sister and I, etc. and we hated it so much that we’d distance ourselves from each other and the only way someone would connect the dots between us would be by our last names, which is a common name so practically no one knew we were all siblings. Watching the Belchers’ siblings made me cry - at 26 years old, I hadn’t even realised that they were how siblings were supposed to act towards each other. I feel strongly for Jimmy Jr - I was pitted against my siblings the most, and I used to wish for a twin too.
Sorry to hear that. I hope you know that when I write these videos I'm strictly only talking about the characters in context with the show. I'm not universally passing judgment on anyone in real life. Real life has nuances but bobs burgers is a show with writers and messages.
I think their relationship is weird in the context of a TV show. It's a missed opportunity for the writers to define their relationship as good or bad or even neutral. Andy and Ollie aren't pitted against Jimmy Jr at all as far as we know. The twins do like their older brother. Jimmy's only jealous because he wants a close connection like twins have. That's all we know about his relationship with his brothers. The fact that we don't really know their dynamic is what was weird to me. Not the fact that they may not be close. It just feels like writers forget they are related. We don't know how Jimmy feels about his brothers. We don't know what their relationship is like at all because the writers don't include details about it. That's why I called it weird. Hope that explains things.
I adore Jimmy Jr. as a character, but my God he is the worst boyfriend for Tina. He really just doesn’t seem like he’s emotionally ready to be dating people because he does the dumbest shit to the girl and ends up hurting their feelings but doesn’t seem to grasp why. But he seems like a sweet kid overall and he’s definitely a good friend most of the time so I have no problems with him outside of his life really
Honestly you hit the nail on the head. Allot of my issues with Jimmy Jr are exclusively how he strings Tina along. (As you said the way Tina is written doesn't help the situation either.)
But i wish the writers would just drop the stupid 'will they, won't they,' thing as its really not needed. And there are plenty of other things they can do with him outside of just being Tina's love interest. He legit has no character outside that. Show his relationship with his mum, show him excel in his dancing e.g. maybe he gets a part in a theatre show, maybe he and Josh could even bond over their love of dance, give him more moments with his brothers. E.g. maybe the reason Andy and Ollie are so co-dependent is because they feel like he doesn't even like them, maybe they say have a moment where they say something like 'why can't we be as close at Tina, Gene and Louise are.'
Literally anything but continuing the constant relationship thing.
4:28 "HE NEEDS HELP!" My favorite J-ju and Zeke moment
Something else I'd like to point out is that the only way Jimmy Pesto Sr. could have majority custody of Jimmy Jr. and his brothers, despite his obvious neglect and inability to parent, is if Jimmy's mom straight up told the court she didn't want custody of the kids. So not only is Jimmy Jr. dealing with a bad father figure, but he is dealing with a mother who regrets having him. Which would also explain why he treats Tina the way he does.
@themedia1271 thats not true though. There are many other reasons Jimmy Snr could have custody including the mother not being able to financially support the kids, having a disability, or potentially being a worse parent than Jimmy Snr.
His name is JIMMY PESTO JR. Of course he hates his dad. Jimmy sees his 14 YEAR OLD CHILD as an extension of himself.
I think he’s a people pleaser. He doesn’t seem interested in romance at all but just goes with it because he craves whatever affection he can get.
Man I can't wait until you do Tammy
And JOCELYN! And their friendship (all the passive aggressive digs 😂 get me)
She’s so awful but I love it when she gets her comeuppance
I love the attention you gave to Jimmy Pesto being a horrible dad and setting a bad example for his son in terms of relationships and women. Jimmy Jr. seems to have a modicum of respect more for Tina than his dad has for other women, but not enough for them to work as a couple. In fact, the dude needs a LOT of therapy or at least a better role model before he can be in any relationship. Being a bystander, letting Tammy pick on Tina, his apathy towards his brothers, Zeke is his only functional relationship and in that case Jimmy Jr. is pretty clingy and it's easy to see why.
(And yes, I ship it too.)
Honestly so much of Jimmy Jr.'s issues can be traced back to his home life. Unsupportive dad, a mom he doesn't get to see that often aside from her driving him to dance classes, no relationship with his brothers, we need an episode where he ends up staying with the Belchers and gets a taste of what a REAL family is like.
Re: Jimmy Jr.'s stance on bullying.
I think the reason Jimmy Jr. doesn't stand up to Tammy (from a writing standpoint) is that the episode isn't often about Jimmy Jr. and his growth or learning. I think Jimmy Jr.'s role in the show is, 9 times out of 10, to be part of a representation of peer pressure for Tina, especially in episodes where Tammy is bullying her. When he stands up to Zeke's bullying, it's because the episode is partially about him learning and growing as a person in some capacity. He's one of the main characters of that episode rather than a side character who frames the learning and growing for the main character.
Within the show's universe, I would theorize that Jimmy Jr. doesn't stand up to Tammy's bullying for a couple of reasons. Firstly, she's a friend, but not a close friend. I think Jimmy Jr., being a 13 year old kid, probably doesn't want to deal with the fallout of calling someone like Tammy out. Zeke is different because A. he's Jimmy Jr.'s best friend and Jimmy Jr. has more emotional investment in Zeke as a person and B. Zeke made fun of another kid's speech impediment, which hits MUCH closer to home to Jimmy Jr. than any of Tammy's bullying.
Additionally, given Jimmy Pesto Sr.'s attitude toward women, it could be that Jimmy Jr. sees Tammy's bullying as "normal" cattiness rather than capital-B Bullying. "Of course Tammy is making fun of Tina. That's how Dad says girls are." Or even possibly (since we don't have much context regarding the Pesto kids' mom), "Of course Tammy is making fun of Tina. Mom said stuff like that about Dad's girlfriends all the time."
I understand why he doesn't in the context of the episodes, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of his morals as a person. No matter what reasons he could have to excuse Tammy but not Zeke, bullying is bullying. He only cared when it was effected his inner circle. Thats why I used it as an example of how Jimmy Jr usually operates in a morally gray area. For contrast, Louise as always hated bullies. She tends to stand of for people even if she's not particularly close to them. She even had an episode questioning if it was worth sticking up for people if she's going to keep getting in trouble for it.
Personally, I like to focus on just the characters in my video rather than analyze the writing or themes of an episode. So I don't tend to focus on what he represents or his role in the overall story. Instead I find it more fun to talk about him as a person in universe. I try not to theorize too much in my videos and just focus on events that happen in the show if that makes sense. There's 100 ways people can interpret his actions or reasoning so I just leave it to the viewer's to come to their own conclusions or theories about him. I don't want to rationalize everything he does because that can come off as making excuses for his bad actions. But at the same time he's young so I don't want to bash him and write him off as horrible. So I try to keep it balanced between accountability and understanding. Hope that makes sense
@@TersTrippyTV For sure! I wasn't trying to criticize your approach in your video or anything like that. I just enjoy discourse around my favorite shows and bringing my own thoughts to the table. I really like the video and I hope I didn't come across as rude. 😊
Oh of course not! I liked your comment. It was an interesting way to look at things. I was just explaining my approach thats all. I actually might do some videos revolving around a theme instead of a character now that you gave me the idea.
My hc for why Jimmy jr treats women like garbage is bc he isn't really interested. I think he dates girls because that's what he thinks he's supposed to do, but I don't think he really wants to.
I could see that
So happy to hear there is a Zeke video! He’s such a sweetie. 😊
I loved every point you made, I’m caught up in the show and never fully realized how little Jimmy Jr. mentions his brothers
You’ve truly dissected his character so well!!
no i could talk sm about how the pesto family is a deliberate contrast to the belchers bc of the distance and stuff
I'm ready for Zeke/Tina. "I'm gonna getchu girl!"
So glad I found you channel. Bob’s Burger is one of my comfort shows I like how it is very different from other adult animation. While others have horrible parents. I love how Bob and Linda are just fun parents going through the motion of parenthood with such outspoken kids
Great video! I'm hoping we get a Pesto episode like the Rudy one we got this season.
Totally agree! I hope we get to meet his mom eventually
Me and my friend were thinking the same thing! His home life must be rough I’d love an episode focused deeper on tgat
It’s so funny to me because the only time he says his own name is in S5 E12 and he doesn’t call himself Jimmy Pesto Jr he calls himself “Jimmy Jr Pesto” insinuating that his legal middle name is Junior
I wish there was this much content for a video on Marshmallow
I feel a little like Jimmy doesn’t want to like Tina because Zeke OBVIOUSLY loves her.
Who else would leave poop around to help Tina’s photojournalism career?
Excellent analysis of Jimmy Junior!! Time to look up your other videos, I'm excited!
Regarding what's said at 55:42, though, I think Tina IS studying her parent's relationship as a guide for her own. At least, their whirlwind romance while dating, quick marriage and reaffirming, dramatic speeches they give each other. Is it any wonder she expects a passionate relationship to happen quickly?
You make a good point about Tina. I didn't think of it that way. It makes sense if you put it like that. And Thanks! I try lol
I don’t think that the writers forgot Jimmy Junior is the brother of Andy and Ollie, and remember an article saying when they set out to create the show they want to create a family that actually loved each other and the pesto family across Bob’s Burgers definitely serves to be a foil to the main characters of Bob’s Burgers. Even the food is almost kind of symbolic of their characters. Bob is genuinely passionate about burgers whereas Jimmy just views his restaurant as it means to elevate his own prestige.
Even the naming of his son Jimmy Junior comes across incredibly egotistic.
as someone who is trying to find my own version of healthy masculinity, it’s kind of blown my mind how much I used to get annoyed by Gene and now he’s one of my favorites, and where I used to have no opinion of Jimmy Jr, I now find him deeply tragic and Zeke as a character who’s grown on me as well.
I think it would be a missed opportunity for the writers if they don’t use Jimmy Junior as a way of exploring positive examples of masculinity ? Or at least healing from it. We do kind of get it from Zeke for sure.
I love this fucking show. I could go my entire life without watching another show where the family is just fucking toxic to each other and it’s excused in some fashion or were the husband hates his wife.
It’s a show that highlights the importance of agency for kids and the immature behavior of adults, or the importance of embracing your inner quirk I guess. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the writers room. 😊
It's hard to think much about Jimmy Junior for me, because it always felt like the joke of his character is that he was a basic, uninteresting guy that Tina was obsessed with for some reason. I never really thought of him as a good or bad character, really, just a character who was there.
i wanna see tina and zeke in a full fledged relationship, and jimmy sobbing in a corner. or a like a love triangle ark. zeke can really call out jimmy on his bs, and maybe he can work out his nonchalant/noncommittal tendencies, have him go on a journey to figure out why he can’t get into romance/emotional stuff like the rest of the kids/his friends. maybe jimmy can have a conversation wit his mom about why her and jimmy senior broke up and tht can open his eyes about his past relationships including tina.
"he risked getting rabies because tina was upset" made me laugh out loud
God I am STILL salty about the writers dedicating an entire episode to get rid of Josh as a romantic option
I love your content omg!!! Just saw one of your vids for the first time last week and now I’m OBSESSED and jimmy jr is one of my favs! Love his weird noodle arms dancing😂😂 also I can’t wait for pt 2 of your gene series he’s my favorite fruity boy!
Actually had no clue Jimmy was related to Andy and Ollie
I only knew because in the first episode of season 2 they call Pesto their dad
My main problem with jimmy Jr is that he’s no longer a character but a plot device the writers use for whatever Tina story they want to tell. One episode he likes Tina, then he’s completely oblivious to her crush or doesn’t care, then in another he’s a complete jerk (the valentine episode is when this became clear to me).
I’m also not a fan of making him “one of the cool kids”. I liked it better at the start of the series where it was clear he was just as much a dork/weird kid as Tina but she’s so awkward/self conscious she thinks he’s out of her league. (him being friends with/focused on hanging with Zeke because it’s clear JJ doesn’t really have many close friends and zeke was also meant to be a different kind of weird/loser kid). I liked that aspect that the kids weren’t the standard popular v. Nerd schtick most shows do but instead we follow all the kinda weird coastal town kids
I have been binging your videos! I love a good video essay. I enjoy hearing people’s thoughts and takes on a lot of different medias. You’re so invested and nice to listen too. You give off number 5 vibes for sure. Excited for future content!
You don’t know how much I needed this video, I loved Jimmy Jr x Tina for a long time but now since I’ve been binging the show I started to hate him a bit 🙃 I felt I was the only one having a love hate relationship
Jimmy Jr's brothers are a complete set together without him.
As a multiple, I've listened to my non-multiple, older sister tell me about how envious and left-out she felt from not being one of the multiples. No matter how close she was, we were always in a lower grade, so we were hanging out at school all day without her. Socially, this made her feel left out because she didn't organically know the classmates, stories, and inside jokes.
Thank you for creating this video ! Side Note: I hope they do an episode about the Pesto Family similar to "The Amazing Rudy".
i’ve been binge watching all your bobs burgers videos!!! so stoked for when you deep-dive Tammy
"Jimmy Jr is a very polarizing figure: People either fully hate him, or people love/hate him. You rarely hear someone fully love him."
I feel like I had a seizure :3 Im just messing, thanks for the vid. Polarizing statement, though.
When you mention that Jimmy Jr could be aromantic, I can totally believe that 💯 % bc it makes a lot of sense. And that could make a great episode of him coming out, that way Tina and JJ could work, if he is interested/ready.
I’m so glad I discovered this channel, this show is literally one of my favourites and I’m glad it still gets talked about. Fantastic video!💛
50:54 OMG NOW I NEED TO A VIDEO ABOUT ARNOLD AND HELGA!!!! I think It would be interesting to analyze how Arnold fell in love with Helga. And about Helga... omg she is a very deep character! definitely a character that needs analyzing
I recommend @DuskTillShawn if you haven't checked him out yet! He makes long videos on hey Arnold characters and he did a great one on Helga. I may do one someday but you want to watch some videos now, his channel is the way to go.
Jimmy is using Tina as a "placeholder" and stringing her along until he finds someone he thinks is better.
Amazing video. Love seeing Bob's Burgers content ❤
What could be cool would be a Rudy-style episode for Jimmy jr. We could get to see more of his homelife, how his relationship is with his siblings and father is (how they interact at home) and then maybe something happening, maybe he messes up badly with Tina and gets called out by Zeke, and that’s where he could finally change? Or we get him saying he’s just not ready yet due to his age and stops dating, or we get a better look into his sexuality like the video said, him realizing he is ace or something like that?
This got me through a long bus ride! Thank you for your hard work
You’re so underrated! Love this essay! 🧡
These videos are awesome!!!! your details and depth are incredible. it would be awesome to see a rundown of Millie, especially her relationship (obsession) with Louise that turns into a friendship. so much love!!
Really enjoyed this analysis. Makes me want to watch all of Bob's Burgers. It is such a good show from what I've seen.
It's understandable if Jimmy Jr. doesn't like Tina or isn't ready for a relationship, but he should make that clear instead of playing with her. As you pointed out Jimmy Jr. usually expresses more interest in Tina when she's being pursued/pursuing other options.
They are both still teenagers and you reslly highlighted his sad family life, which I was only vaguely aware of. I could go either way on the ship depending on how it's written, but in general dislike "will they-wont they" style plots.
This makes me want an episode of “pestos pizzaeria” exploring their family dynamic and how the belchers look like through the pesto kids eyes.
And I want Jimmy and Tina to finally get together then break up maybe after a couple of eps so they both can finally move on!!!
This is a really cool video! I’ve never really thought about Jimmy Jr. much, but it’s cool to see all his different layers, the good and bad.
I'm so glad I found this channel because I love Bob's Burgers! I actually really love Jimmy Jr because he's such a mess and acts like a typical tween boy who doesn't know what he wants. Like no, he doesn't have to be so malicious, but I think I would like to see an arch where Tina is just over Jimmy Jr and he has a full blown crisis about it.
Also shout out to Zeke for being the best character over all
OMG ITS AN HOURRR IM SOO HAPPYY perfect ending to my day🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽
Jimmy Jr. loves Zeke like his dad loves his employee but I'm definitely rooting for Tina and Zeke being together. I can see their adult life together.
Yay I've been excited for this one!
oh hell yes i found a bobs burgers video essay series?!! im so exited to binge these this is one of my favorite shows i could listen to ppl talk ab it for hoursss
so excited! love your videos, especially at night when i’m trying to wind down!
The font used for the name of the neighboring shop shown at 0:13 was NOT compatible with my dyslexia... 💀
so happy this was recommended literally my new fave channel thank you for your service
excuse me? There are deep dives of bob's burgers characters and youtube took this long to show me??? I guess I have new videos to binge!!
This was so so so well done! Thank you!
Jimmy Jr is one of my favourite characters. He's not good with Tina, but I like the character in general. He is hilarious when he's running.
I was literally playing stardew when you made that reference😂 and i always think about this too cuz demetrius is so proud of maru but he doesnt say diddly squat about sebastian😭
My husband is jealous of how much I love this show and how invested I am in every relationship and dynamic that exists within its community. It drives him nuts that I compare our family to the Belchers😂 Does anyone else relate to this or am I really crazy???
“I think everybody’s got a favourite Jimmy Jr phrase”
What if Gods…. Name was Todd..
In other words…. He’s not BF material!
He's absolutely giving Aaron vibes 😂. We need a Cliff instead!
thank you. thank you. thank you. you understand what goes on in my brain. finally. i need hour-long bob's burger analyses. kindred spirit
You’re my favorite person every! I watch bobs burgers every night before bed and I love your breakdowns!
I think a lot of these issues with his character can be boiled down to his character being in the closet. It explains his indifference to Tina (who kinda just declared herself his girlfriend), his overly close relationship with Zeke, his extreme distancing from all of his family, and his unwillingness to stand up to Tammy .
I can’t believe you don’t have more subscribers! Love the video :)
I think its realistic him not being close with Andy and Ollie. I dont think either of his parents nurtured his relationship with the twins and compared to the Belcher siblings dynamics neither Jimmy jr and the twins have anything in common.
Im the second youngest out of five siblings with the eldest and I have a similar age gap to Jimmy jr and the twins. He definitely was the emotionally unavailable type of brother we're at best more like family friends at worst just acquaintances. While we love each other we never really did hang out at all in our entire lives. We just didnt have that much in common. Our relationship wasnt really nurtured by our parents,they just let us do our own things never forced or encouraged us to spend time together. He's only close ish to to the second eldest but not close enough to consider him as a best friend as for the rest of our siblings same dynamic just not really close.
I'll admit I find Andy and Ollie kinda relatable because the youngest and I while aren't twins did act like twins did everything together, had a lot in common and just easier to bond with. We spent more time with each other than with our older siblings.
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I feel like that’s the contrast the writers created between the pesto and belcher family. Jimmy jr has divorced parents, weird brothers, jerk dad, ext.
I think it makes sense the way Jimmy strings Tina along from a writing perspective. He likes edgy girls who take risks, but he's also very emotionally guarded and scared of failure or being left alone. He has to fight for his father's love, and that constant unconditional attention he gets from Tina is likely a nice thing to keep in his back pocket. But that's just it, it's something to fall back on. Tina is his back-up choice. The reliable thing he knows will always be there. And when he thinks his back-up might give up on him, it's terrifying. He plays with girl's hearts because his dad is a bad role model (or he's queer and struggling with not understanding why girls don't make him feel the way he wants them to) so his non-Tina relationships always fail. But Tina is always there. He may not LIKE her. She may be a bit boring for him. But it's better to have a boring back-up plan you don't really like than to not have any security net at all. No matter how many times his other options fall apart, he feels Tina will always be there. But I also agree, this back and forth has gone on too long. The show needs to just develop Jimmy already. He's been in 14 seasons, and I can't think of too many episodes where his character actually got the spotlight and he got to have genuine character development as the focus character of the episode. The dance instructor episode is like one of the only times he's ever actually felt like a main character and not just a love interest.