@@VanceVelez Not sure I want to take up space and my back log. I have most of these games in other Genesis collections though. Bloodlines, Hard Corps, and Darius are the ones I am most interested in.
actually the sega genesis is an upgraded master system, back in the day you just needed the official adapter to play master system cartridges and and game cards.
Sega could make Saturn mini. You just need to get everyone to buy as many of Genesis mini and search for a lost source code of Saturn(yes Sega lost a source code of Saturn hence why they haven’t bothered to rerelease any Saturn games). I’ll make this simple: Get everyone to buy many of this and search for a lost source code of Saturn.
I bought the US and Japanese versions. I can handle the sound lag and the sound quality is the best I've heard that isn't my Model 1 Genesis (it's funny that a 30 year old chip is still giving programmers heck to emulate). I'm happy to get some titles that have been either pricey to obtain or are obscure Japanese releases. My biggest hope is your last message. I bought the Minis, because I want to see more of Sega's back catalog available to own. I want every Super Scaler game out there. I want a Saturn Mini because I know one day the disc drive will fail on mine or the console will die. Sega's history needs to be preserved properly and I think us Sega fans want to make that a reality with our wallets so long as love and attention is given to the releases.
Yup. I think the Genesis Mini here is a step in the right direction for Sega. Hopefully we will see the games and systems expanded in future products. There is so much more out there than their 16-bit era stuff.
Amen! I bought a Mega Pi case for a Pi 3 because of all the bad Genesis collections out there! I have no need for this, but I will get one to support a good product by SEGA! Or Nintendo, SNK, NEC!(Konami), etc.
@@RolandoMarreroPR I'm not against emulation anymore. It's not perfect but at least it let's us preserve the games and have access to them. But when I can, i buy the good products.
agree. nintendo has shown its classic library the love and care which it deserves. it's an absolute tragedy that sega hasn't, for whatever reason, done the same with their own classic games.
I know I am replying late, but you seem like the type of person who will have an opinion on this: the sound difference between original and mini is NOT consistent from game to game, right? Like... does it seem as though some games are missing some depth of sound, while others are much closer to being spot on? Sonic in his demo sounded pretty close.
Sega lord X I got my mini on day one well I actually pre ordered it some of the points that you making I was just explaining it to my audience last night yea we have hundreds of ways to play these games it's not about that the Sega introduced me to another level gaming and it's good to go revisit those memories I'm enjoying my Sega mini I don't no about anybody else this is why I love your channel because you keep it 💯💯
OH MY GOD!!! Thank you so much for testing out the Hyperkin controller on the Mega Drive Mini/Genesis Mini... and tell us that it doesn't work. So we don't have to. That is what I truly needed to know before buying the Mega Drive Mini. I'm disappointed... but I'm happy to know. Don't know why other reviewers on UA-cam never bothered with testing out the Hyperkin controller on it. Cos I've got the Hyperkin controller. Now I can confirm to save up money for a Mega Drive Mini with 2 controllers. Planning to get mine in Japan.
Fortunately there are units that come bundled with 2 controllers and not for much more money but in the worst case scenario, the retro bit controllers seem to be readily available for purchase.
Most reviewers who got it earlier had to send the package on to the next reviewer so it’s not like they got it for free either but I hear you, Sega lord is really informative.
Great in depth review! I love my Genesis mini, the build quality and attention to detail on the system are really nice. I did notice the sound bugs you pointed out but it isn't really a deal breaker for me, I really wanted to support Sega and hope all of the other Sega fans out there do too so we can get a Saturn mini!
Seeing that box brings back memories from when my sister got me the genesis with Sonic 1 packed in and an extra controller way back in 1991. A week later I got alien storm and a few other games and eventually streets of rage 1 two months before streets of rage 2 came out. So happy my genesis is still working and I can use the everdrive to play games I used to have along with games I wanted to get. Hopefully I'll be able to get a mini too since it's looking good even with the few problems mentioned and hopefully sega will do a firmware fix for them.
I share the same thoughts as some of the people who already commented; I’ll wait until Sega Lord X reviews this unit before deciding to buy. Thanks as always for your videos. Cheers!
Sega Saturn Mini please. If I had my choice, here’s what I’d include: Nights into Dreams Gungriffon Panzer Dragoon 1, 2 and Saga Virtual On Virtua Cop 1 and 2 Virtua Fighter 1 and 2 Sega Rally Decathalete Burning Rangers Daytona USA Sonic R Magic Dead or Alive Enemy Zero Nightwarriors - Darkstalkers Revenge Dragon Force Saturn Bomberman Magic Knight Rayearth Manx TT Sky Target Herc’s Adventure Worldwide Soccer Die Hard Arcade Alien Trilogy Dragon Force Lunar: Silver Star Story And I’m probably missing a bunch. Astal Guardian Heroes
They’d have to include a light gun for virtua cop. Or make it to where you can play it with a controller. In either case, they’d have to include House of the Dead too.
@@SuperZombiepimp Not many people owned a Turbographix 16 either, but we are seeing a TG16 mini this month released. Although I do admit that the Japanese version (PC Engine) was much more popular in Japan. Sega has shown they know what they are doing for mini consoles and can do a much better mini console than Sony did for the PS1.
Good review of the Sega Megadrive mini: Sega has made its legendary console playable again in 2019. Thank you SEGA, you take well care of your customers.
Is it just my imagination, or does the sound delay for a couple games actually help rather than hurt? Streets of Rage 2, for example, in the original, the punch sound effect starts at the very beginning of the animation, before the hit. In the Mini, the sound is delayed, and it ends up syncing better with the punch. Same with Sonic, the jump sound effect begins just before the jump animation in the original, and feels more natural with a delay.
@nunya baznus original hardware vs typical emulation lag in addition to the 3-5 frames delay due to the underclocked processor of the Genesis Mini is to blame primarily. There are TV's and monitors that can get digital output down to less than 30-40 milliseconds of lag. "Game Mode" plus a real 120 to 240 refresh rate can help. Yet even if the best combination of modern display tools are utilized the Sound lag remains on the system. It's slightly worse than top of the line emulation software, which already has nearly half a second of lag compared to a native Sega Genesis.
i hooked a pc up to my flatscreen and the lag is un-noticable compared to sega mini, which can be seen in the sound just from watching a youtube video and comparing it to any other version, even atgames lol. so yea its kinda bad,. Glad someone can find a bright side to it.
@nunya baznus what do you mean I don't have the right? When I can see and hear the sound just by watching anyone play it on UA-cam, I don't need to play it to know. Also I'm talking about sound lag, obviously I'd have to play to know input lag. But come on its quite evident just by watching that the ring of sonic doesn't sound until after you touch etc.. Lord x demonstrated it for us as well with different games are you saying his video is pointless? Ok if you don't play with the sound on that's your thing, I'm only referring to the disappointing sound lag that has never been prevalent on any Sega release till now. If it's not a big deal to you that's great, but some people were expecting at least Kega Fusion standards.
@nunya baznus I'm not using headphones or Bluetooth. It's bothering alot of people, especially in principle. There's no need to insult us. It's not UA-cam, because it's in this Sega Lord X video review among others, and other Genesis platforms look fine on youtube. I keep hearing about sound lag in the comments section from ppl who bought one. It's not that the games are even bad, just below their original standard. It might not bother everyone but fans have the right to complain. It's nice if someone can warp into thinking it's a positive but I highly doubt it was done to optimise the game. It's a fact it's there because hackers went inside and can see the cpu is slightly underclocked. Underclocking has never been a positive. People are even working on trying to fix it and probably will via hacking. Sega was so close to making a perfect system, to be the top dogs in something again. And it takes perfection to do that, like when they made the original. If the sound lag wasn't there Sega Lord X would have had nothing negative to say about it. Same with everyone else. He said it didn't ruin it but could notice it the entire time with all of the games. He doesnt have OCD. Its just being honest. Im glad it's not bothering people though, and I could probably get use to it. But since its there I rather just stick to free emulation and or my real genesis. I may start to think about getting a mini when it's resolved. Someone already hacked into it and overclocked it but hasn't released how to do it yet, not until he finds a safe way to easily do it without corrupting the system.
I got my Sega Genesis Mini this past Christmas. I was so excited to have it, I nearly cried tears of joy. It always was one of my favorite game consoles of all time. The line up of games is very solid. Mega Man: The Willy Wars being the one game I really didn't expect to get at all. Honestly, this even blows some game compilations like Rare Replay away.
Another great work from SLX! It would be amazing if they release later an ultimate edition with Sega CD and 32X games included. BTW the pc engine mini Will come with CD ROM games
I'm looking forward to a potential Sega Master System, Saturn, or Dreamcast miniature console more than a Genesis mini, as I have many of these games already. Saturn games are getting ridiculously expensive and my Dreamcast has survived several surgeries to keep me playing (the original) "Crazy Taxi," "Jet Set Radio," and "Skies of Arcadia."
I'm pretty impressed, the sound issues are completely trivial to me. They are miniscule i would never had noticed had someone not mentioned it. That being said I didn't really grow up with most of these games so I get how it can irk some people. Also, I had no idea we also got the Japanese ROMs to the games, that's amazing!
Great review man, love all the auto comparisons. The lag sucks, it’s really disappointing. Thanks for being critical and not just praising everything - like most YT retro channels.
Great to get the comparison clips - the sound seems very accurate to me even while wearing headphones. Lag seems not too noticeable until you cut to the original and then instantly notice it's much quicker. Not sure about this vs my laptop with Genesis style pad. Got a SNES Mini and happy with it; I like the convenience, authentic controller, CRT filter, rewind function and low lag.
Just picked mine up yesterday. I am running into that double input issue that some reviews are mentioning but it only seems to be in the menu and maybe in Columns. Still excited to keep playing around with it as I never owned a Genesis growing up.
I saw one at a flea market for $50. My biggest concern after that AtGames trash heap was the sound and graphics. I'm not disappointed at all and might have to grab it. Just being able to play MegaMan The Wily Wars legit is almost enough for me.
exactly. especially when theyve never messed that up before, and free emulators online do it better. There really isnt a good reason in this day and age, with so many free emulators that do it better. Even the latest AtGames did it better. They should have stuck with them, or went to Kega Fusion. Maybe Nintendo paid Sega to slow the CPU. It would have been easy to port just like their previous collections, yet they took the extra step to slow it down for us. but seriously its got programmers stumped. it's 11 frames slow, and noticable, once you notice, its always there. the system was just shy of being perfect
@JURO • I own the original AtGames and it sucks, it instantly gave AtGames a bad name. Looked and sounded terrible. But AtGame's last model, which I think is their 2nd HD model, actually fixed their issues. This is why Sega was debating about using them until people told them not to. The latest AtGames revision I can't seem to find much wrong with, especially not sound lag, that was never one of AtGames issues. The latest AtGames may actually be a better consol than the new Mini, in that it plays 100s of games off an SD card, can use the original Genesis controller, and has no apparent sound lag. When I first heard about Sega using AtGames I freaked not realising that the last AtGames wasn't bad.
@JURO • fair enough. I haven't actually played it yet,. Just been reading up, and reviewing footage. It has a nice selection of games and a great menu.
I noticed with the audio that there's some kinda.. lack of pitch/treble with the mini.. which is sad. I don't have these issues using retro-arch and the cores that come with it for the genesis/segaCD/32X.
Because of the nature of the Genesis sound and music, sega fans have much more of a reason to want the original hardware. I haven’t found very many software options that can replicate what that Yamaha chip could do. It’s almost like a evolutionary dead end.
I already have a Genesis with almost all the games in the Genesis mini. But the quality and attention of detail makes want to get it. They really excelled here.
Oniphire That's nothing compared to Paperboy 2 on SNES and Amiga fortunately. Also, I saw Retro Core's video about the Mega Drive mini (He lives in Japan) and it seems the original Japanese hardwares have no sound delay. Did SEGA of America fuck up again?
The sound is delayed. It’s annoying for a few seconds but once you get into playing the games you don’t notice it. Its not so bad that it becomes distracting.
I haven't played the original hardware in 20 years so I didn't even notice it at all on this. back when I did have one here in Australia the Megadrive would run at 50hz pal version so this is actually faster lol
Got my Mini for only a handful of games, but was pleasantly pleased with the additional inclusion of the Japanese versions of Hard Corps, Headdy, the original version of Puyo Puyo/Mean Bean and Probotector version of Hard Corps.
Now for a Sega CD Mini, then Saturn and finally Dreamcast. If they're feeling extra bold, maybe a MasterSystem/32X combo? I think combining those two might be best since there's not really a whole lot of compelling software on the latter to do a mini by itself and, while I have little experience with the MasterSystem, I'm compelled to say the same with that console as well.
To be honest I think the mini has slightly clearer sound. There was some slight his and distortion on both road rash and streets of rage that wasn't there in the mini.
It's strange how illegal roms played on Kega Fusion have less sound lag. But I'm glad this plays well. Great review as usual. Did you know that if you open up the mini Sega CD they put a surprise in there for us? Yea it doesn't actually play or do anything besides look cool but they put cardboard computer chips and a sonic CD disc printed inside. Someone I follow opened it up with a screwdriver and found the Easter Egg! Now that's fan service!
I got the Genesis mini and been enjoying it alot I also got the Sega Genesis Flashback 2018 Edition the best one they ever put out of the Genesis I like both cause each has games on it that the other doesn't but the Flashback plays original cartridges which the mini doesn't plus has a SD card slot to add more games without having to jailbreak it , I got them both on sale under the retail price at Target , button line they keep me satisfied and I get enjoyment out of em , I too grew up being a Sega Genesis fan , I got one for Christmas in '91 and played it up until I got a PlayStation when it cameout which also got it for Christmas but alot of great memories with the consoles I did have growing up , keep up the good work
Thank you for the review, I was wondering about this myself. The library thing isn't something I worry about with these mini consoles as there will always be a way to add games to them later. That is unfortunate that the sounds are low and laggy. At first I was thinking "How bad could it be." But then after listening to it I was surprised by how off they sounded. Especially in Road Rash. I was thinking of getting one but I think I will wait for it to come down in price first, or at least when the 6 button controllers come down also.
The sound of Genesis games was always the most iconic part of the system to me. While the Mini's sound is faithful the delay is a potential deal breaker for me.
In my opinion, the BEST way to play Genesis games is on the mighty Kega FUSION emulator. Flawless emulation, full 32X and Sega CD support (not to mention Master System and Game Gear), razor sharp graphics, flawless sound, savestates, cheat codes, unlimited controller compatibility. I think it's even BETTER than the original hardware!
My first Genesis when I was a kid was the streets of rage 2 package,i had no idea it was rare bought it at a Kmart of all places sitting in the back of the electronics section all alone on a shelf
Michael San Fun fact - a few open source emulators emulate the sound perfectly. And companies can totally just use them. All they are required to do is to provide source code of all changes they made to original source.
Lag was much improved on the SNES mini. Digital Foundry said sound delay is around 3 frames in their video, but Genesis Mini is more like 10-11 frames. Looked very noticeable in Streets of Rage 2.
@@shadowflash705 it's not that simple. If Sega were to work with "pirates" and legitimize the sites and people around the emulation community it could get them into legal trouble, you could see Nintendo suing the pants off Sega for doing that.
Wait. If you switch it to Japanese, will the Tetris Rom change? Also, I've heard they fixed the framerate on Wily Wars. The original suffered from considerable frame rate plummeting.
Is any one having issues with double presses with the Dpad? I tried both controllers that came with the system and a 6 button retro bit. All of them act the same. The 6 button controller acted up the most.
@@SegaLordX thanks I noticed it in Sonic 2 while trying to jump platforms and thought I was just really bad at the game. Might still be the case but at least I can blame it on the controller.
I can hear some sound delay in some of the games. Me, personally, I would have used a different emulator for the Genesis like Gens32 (my favorite). I also wish they drop a 6-pad controller as well.
KrispyNoKen Gens? The only reason to use it now would be running it on a PC from late 90s-early 2000s because actual emulation core is written in the assembly language, so it's very fast. But for emulation quality it lags waaay behind Genesis Plus GX. You can use it as Retroarch core also with nice set of CRT filters, some of them make picture look very close to actual RGB CRT.
BlastEM is the gold standard second only to the MEGASG, it is a cycle accurate emulator that finally supplanted KegaFusion that ruled for years, endorsed and tested thorougly by DF John Linneman.
@@bogartwilley you can use 3rd party controllers with this? Also are the buttons remappable? Because I have the 8bitdo 6 button mega drive gamepad but it's useless at playing many games on the mega drive collection on switch because you can't remap the buttons
The more I see about the Genesis Mini the more I like it. The only lag in audio I could see in your video was in Thunder Force III. But I already own the real Genesis and Saturn versions so that doesn't matter. The rest of the lag was undetectable to me. But that's not surprising consider I went to play Rock Band on my projector the other day and calibration showed ENORMOUS lag that I had never noticed when playing games. LOL Based on your video it looks like M2 did an absolutely incredible job with this and I'm almost tempted to get one just for how cool the thing is. But with the entire genesis library on my Wii and my real Genesis with loose games that need reproduction cases...I just can't justify it right now. But if I had the income of my last job this would be a day one purchase for nostalgia and execution alone. Tho it DOES make me want a model 1 just for the heavenly stereo sound through headphones. Ah, the memories! Also, "oomph" does NOT belong on menu screen music. When you are stuck in an area for a long time (a dungeon, an overworld, a menu, rousing music becomes REALLY annoying REALLY fast). So I'll disagree with you on that as well.
As far as the sound goes, it's similar to music nowadays. A Casio Synthesizer keyboard from the 80's will not sound like a modern version. Manufacturing processes and materials have changed. Some chip manufacturers are no longer in business. So it's hard to fully duplicate. Minor issue.
Yes sir, this IS exactly how a mini console should be built & priced! SEGA not only thinking of profits but reasonable & equally entertaining quality product both the ol' faithful ones AND the new generation fans! THANKS SEGA. The GENESIS Lives!
Best thing is that I just found out you can use the ebitdo wireless Sega Saturn controller on the mini. I just picked it up for 20 bucks Cdn on amazon. I can't wait. The Saturn controller was the best game pad ever made IMO. I also have their Nintendo styled arcade stick and the PlayStation styled Pro pad and that's some quality stuff for its ease of use and build quality. Its cheap to upgrade the arcade stick if you need to but out of the box its not that bad. Nothing compares to my MS elite controller or my moded xbone Hori stick but damn 8bitdo makes some quality product. I can't wait to use it on my mini....which I only looked up cause I was watching this review for something I own already for some reason so thanks?😂👍🤘 I was going to buy the Genesis wired 8 button controller for 10 bucks more too. 😅
Question, not sure if anyone can answer this: how hard would it be for a co. such as Sega to work with homebrew devs? Example, the Wolfenstein 3d game that's out there. Could something like that have been added to the SGMini?
The only thing that sucks about the Mini me Mega is the wireless controller doesn’t come out until a month after the release of the Mega Sega Something.
Correct. It's the same game no matter the language. The original Tetris game that came out for the Mega Drive is similar in appearance, but has many, many more options. The one we actually get here, is a barebones port of the Sega System 16 Tetris arcade game.
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Still working through this library. Thank you for sharing your thoughts so quickly! It's a good time to be a Sega fan.
Seems like it would take me a year to give these titles the time they are worth.
Jack Burton That's a great problem! A year's worth of games pre-packaged in a mini console like this is a great deal.
@@VanceVelez Not sure I want to take up space and my back log. I have most of these games in other Genesis collections though. Bloodlines, Hard Corps, and Darius are the ones I am most interested in.
Why does he not give a summarisation on the product? ... wtf?
I would gladly pay $60 for a Sega Master System mini
Then good luck finding one for that price lol
@@TheDerrty111 there isn't a master system mini...yet...
I was disappointed with this review, as he offered no conclusion on the
Device.
Great Basketball.....YES!
actually the sega genesis is an upgraded master system, back in the day you just needed the official adapter to play master system cartridges and and game cards.
The quality of your analysis and the show in general has definitely been picking up. Keep up the good work bro.
Hopefully a Sega Saturn mini will be released in the future!
Don't expect for it
I would actually buy a few of those!
That would be a dream come true. I would gladly pay $200+ for one with the right mix of games included.
One condition, it has to have Sonic R!
Sega could make Saturn mini. You just need to get everyone to buy as many of Genesis mini and search for a lost source code of Saturn(yes Sega lost a source code of Saturn hence why they haven’t bothered to rerelease any Saturn games). I’ll make this simple: Get everyone to buy many of this and search for a lost source code of Saturn.
I bought the US and Japanese versions. I can handle the sound lag and the sound quality is the best I've heard that isn't my Model 1 Genesis (it's funny that a 30 year old chip is still giving programmers heck to emulate). I'm happy to get some titles that have been either pricey to obtain or are obscure Japanese releases. My biggest hope is your last message. I bought the Minis, because I want to see more of Sega's back catalog available to own. I want every Super Scaler game out there. I want a Saturn Mini because I know one day the disc drive will fail on mine or the console will die. Sega's history needs to be preserved properly and I think us Sega fans want to make that a reality with our wallets so long as love and attention is given to the releases.
Yup. I think the Genesis Mini here is a step in the right direction for Sega. Hopefully we will see the games and systems expanded in future products. There is so much more out there than their 16-bit era stuff.
Amen! I bought a Mega Pi case for a Pi 3 because of all the bad Genesis collections out there! I have no need for this, but I will get one to support a good product by SEGA! Or Nintendo, SNK, NEC!(Konami), etc.
@@RolandoMarreroPR I'm not against emulation anymore. It's not perfect but at least it let's us preserve the games and have access to them. But when I can, i buy the good products.
agree. nintendo has shown its classic library the love and care which it deserves. it's an absolute tragedy that sega hasn't, for whatever reason, done the same with their own classic games.
I know I am replying late, but you seem like the type of person who will have an opinion on this: the sound difference between original and mini is NOT consistent from game to game, right? Like... does it seem as though some games are missing some depth of sound, while others are much closer to being spot on? Sonic in his demo sounded pretty close.
You gotta give Sega credit for doing this in house. I've got to support this.
@Steve Fox oh I see. I always confuse m2 with am2. My mistake lol
@Steve Fox It was in house.
@@VirtuaBros SEGA did DO it in house. Don't listen to Steve. M2 is an affiliate of SEGA.
@@Tornado1994 haha ok. I'm so confused now
I was so worried when they talked about it the first time. Atgames... Thanks god Sega listened to us !
Sega lord X I got my mini on day one well I actually pre ordered it some of the points that you making I was just explaining it to my audience last night yea we have hundreds of ways to play these games it's not about that the Sega introduced me to another level gaming and it's good to go revisit those memories I'm enjoying my Sega mini I don't no about anybody else this is why I love your channel because you keep it 💯💯
jeremy2684 Millbrooks this thing called punctuation exists. Try it out.
OH MY GOD!!! Thank you so much for testing out the Hyperkin controller on the Mega Drive Mini/Genesis Mini... and tell us that it doesn't work. So we don't have to. That is what I truly needed to know before buying the Mega Drive Mini.
I'm disappointed... but I'm happy to know. Don't know why other reviewers on UA-cam never bothered with testing out the Hyperkin controller on it. Cos I've got the Hyperkin controller. Now I can confirm to save up money for a Mega Drive Mini with 2 controllers. Planning to get mine in Japan.
Fortunately there are units that come bundled with 2 controllers and not for much more money but in the worst case scenario, the retro bit controllers seem to be readily available for purchase.
I've heard a lot of good things about this but I trust your reviews as you like me had to pay for it. Keep up the great videos.
Most reviewers who got it earlier had to send the package on to the next reviewer so it’s not like they got it for free either but I hear you, Sega lord is really informative.
@@MegaFeeso I did not know that. Thank you. It's a good day when I learn something.
@@MichaelGreen-dm2ov np : )
The only review that matters!
And yet he offers no conclusion on this product...😐
@@Dangerous2099 He gives you his personal praises and gripes about it... it's up to you to decide whether or not it's worth it to you or not.
Great in depth review!
I love my Genesis mini, the build quality and attention to detail on the system are really nice. I did notice the sound bugs you pointed out but it isn't really a deal breaker for me, I really wanted to support Sega and hope all of the other Sega fans out there do too so we can get a Saturn mini!
Seeing that box brings back memories from when my sister got me the genesis with Sonic 1 packed in and an extra controller way back in 1991. A week later I got alien storm and a few other games and eventually streets of rage 1 two months before streets of rage 2 came out.
So happy my genesis is still working and I can use the everdrive to play games I used to have along with games I wanted to get. Hopefully I'll be able to get a mini too since it's looking good even with the few problems mentioned and hopefully sega will do a firmware fix for them.
I share the same thoughts as some of the people who already commented; I’ll wait until Sega Lord X reviews this unit before deciding to buy. Thanks as always for your videos. Cheers!
Forget all those other reviews, I was waiting for that Sega Lord X review.
Sega Saturn Mini please. If I had my choice, here’s what I’d include:
Nights into Dreams
Gungriffon
Panzer Dragoon 1, 2 and Saga
Virtual On
Virtua Cop 1 and 2
Virtua Fighter 1 and 2
Sega Rally
Decathalete
Burning Rangers
Daytona USA
Sonic R
Magic
Dead or Alive
Enemy Zero
Nightwarriors - Darkstalkers Revenge
Dragon Force
Saturn Bomberman
Magic Knight Rayearth
Manx TT
Sky Target
Herc’s Adventure
Worldwide Soccer
Die Hard Arcade
Alien Trilogy
Dragon Force
Lunar: Silver Star Story
And I’m probably missing a bunch.
Astal
Guardian Heroes
Not many people owned a saturn so to me it would make more sense to do a dream cast mini
SuperZombiepimp Someday we will have a Saturn mini, I can only hope....
They’d have to include a light gun for virtua cop. Or make it to where you can play it with a controller. In either case, they’d have to include House of the Dead too.
@@SuperZombiepimp Not many people owned a Turbographix 16 either, but we are seeing a TG16 mini this month released. Although I do admit that the Japanese version (PC Engine) was much more popular in Japan. Sega has shown they know what they are doing for mini consoles and can do a much better mini console than Sony did for the PS1.
Good review of the Sega Megadrive mini: Sega has made its legendary console playable again in 2019. Thank you SEGA, you take well care of your customers.
Nice thorough review! I like how you even touched on controller compatibility. Nice attention to detail!
Is it just my imagination, or does the sound delay for a couple games actually help rather than hurt? Streets of Rage 2, for example, in the original, the punch sound effect starts at the very beginning of the animation, before the hit. In the Mini, the sound is delayed, and it ends up syncing better with the punch. Same with Sonic, the jump sound effect begins just before the jump animation in the original, and feels more natural with a delay.
The ring sound is the one that is most irksome in Sonic imo.
@nunya baznus original hardware vs typical emulation lag in addition to the 3-5 frames delay due to the underclocked processor of the Genesis Mini is to blame primarily. There are TV's and monitors that can get digital output down to less than 30-40 milliseconds of lag. "Game Mode" plus a real 120 to 240 refresh rate can help.
Yet even if the best combination of modern display tools are utilized the Sound lag remains on the system. It's slightly worse than top of the line emulation software, which already has nearly half a second of lag compared to a native Sega Genesis.
i hooked a pc up to my flatscreen and the lag is un-noticable compared to sega mini, which can be seen in the sound just from watching a youtube video and comparing it to any other version, even atgames lol. so yea its kinda bad,. Glad someone can find a bright side to it.
@nunya baznus what do you mean I don't have the right? When I can see and hear the sound just by watching anyone play it on UA-cam, I don't need to play it to know. Also I'm talking about sound lag, obviously I'd have to play to know input lag. But come on its quite evident just by watching that the ring of sonic doesn't sound until after you touch etc.. Lord x demonstrated it for us as well with different games are you saying his video is pointless? Ok if you don't play with the sound on that's your thing, I'm only referring to the disappointing sound lag that has never been prevalent on any Sega release till now. If it's not a big deal to you that's great, but some people were expecting at least Kega Fusion standards.
@nunya baznus I'm not using headphones or Bluetooth. It's bothering alot of people, especially in principle. There's no need to insult us. It's not UA-cam, because it's in this Sega Lord X video review among others, and other Genesis platforms look fine on youtube. I keep hearing about sound lag in the comments section from ppl who bought one. It's not that the games are even bad, just below their original standard. It might not bother everyone but fans have the right to complain.
It's nice if someone can warp into thinking it's a positive but I highly doubt it was done to optimise the game.
It's a fact it's there because hackers went inside and can see the cpu is slightly underclocked.
Underclocking has never been a positive. People are even working on trying to fix it and probably will via hacking.
Sega was so close to making a perfect system, to be the top dogs in something again. And it takes perfection to do that, like when they made the original.
If the sound lag wasn't there Sega Lord X would have had nothing negative to say about it. Same with everyone else.
He said it didn't ruin it but could notice it the entire time with all of the games. He doesnt have OCD. Its just being honest.
Im glad it's not bothering people though, and I could probably get use to it. But since its there I rather just stick to free emulation and or my real genesis.
I may start to think about getting a mini when it's resolved. Someone already hacked into it and overclocked it but hasn't released how to do it yet, not until he finds a safe way to easily do it without corrupting the system.
I got my Sega Genesis Mini this past Christmas. I was so excited to have it, I nearly cried tears of joy. It always was one of my favorite game consoles of all time. The line up of games is very solid. Mega Man: The Willy Wars being the one game I really didn't expect to get at all. Honestly, this even blows some game compilations like Rare Replay away.
It'll be complete for me once I add sonic 3 NHL'94 mutant league football
Another great work from SLX! It would be amazing if they release later an ultimate edition with Sega CD and 32X games included. BTW the pc engine mini Will come with CD ROM games
I'm looking forward to a potential Sega Master System, Saturn, or Dreamcast miniature console more than a Genesis mini, as I have many of these games already. Saturn games are getting ridiculously expensive and my Dreamcast has survived several surgeries to keep me playing (the original) "Crazy Taxi," "Jet Set Radio," and "Skies of Arcadia."
I'm pretty impressed, the sound issues are completely trivial to me. They are miniscule i would never had noticed had someone not mentioned it. That being said I didn't really grow up with most of these games so I get how it can irk some people.
Also, I had no idea we also got the Japanese ROMs to the games, that's amazing!
Yeah, the Japanese games were a total bonus. I loved that.
Close enough. Nothing will ever quite be like the original genesis, but us old timers can kick back with a collection like this.
Great review man, love all the auto comparisons. The lag sucks, it’s really disappointing. Thanks for being critical and not just praising everything - like most YT retro channels.
Great to get the comparison clips - the sound seems very accurate to me even while wearing headphones. Lag seems not too noticeable until you cut to the original and then instantly notice it's much quicker. Not sure about this vs my laptop with Genesis style pad. Got a SNES Mini and happy with it; I like the convenience, authentic controller, CRT filter, rewind function and low lag.
Just picked mine up yesterday. I am running into that double input issue that some reviews are mentioning but it only seems to be in the menu and maybe in Columns. Still excited to keep playing around with it as I never owned a Genesis growing up.
It's in the menu for sure. It's almost like the dpad is ultra sensitive. You get use to it, but it can be slightly irritating.
THE channel that deserves all the attention regarding the Sega Genesis mini!!!
Cannot wait for mine to arrive
I saw one at a flea market for $50. My biggest concern after that AtGames trash heap was the sound and graphics. I'm not disappointed at all and might have to grab it. Just being able to play MegaMan The Wily Wars legit is almost enough for me.
Saw this review and just bought my sega genesis mini. Thanks for the review SLX. Sega should hire you. Seriously. Keep up the great work.
How the hell do they mess up the emulation for sound in 2019??
exactly. especially when theyve never messed that up before, and free emulators online do it better. There really isnt a good reason in this day and age, with so many free emulators that do it better. Even the latest AtGames did it better. They should have stuck with them, or went to Kega Fusion. Maybe Nintendo paid Sega to slow the CPU. It would have been easy to port just like their previous collections, yet they took the extra step to slow it down for us.
but seriously its got programmers stumped. it's 11 frames slow, and noticable, once you notice, its always there.
the system was just shy of being perfect
@JURO • I own the original AtGames and it sucks, it instantly gave AtGames a bad name. Looked and sounded terrible. But AtGame's last model, which I think is their 2nd HD model, actually fixed their issues. This is why Sega was debating about using them until people told them not to. The latest AtGames revision I can't seem to find much wrong with, especially not sound lag, that was never one of AtGames issues.
The latest AtGames may actually be a better consol than the new Mini, in that it plays 100s of games off an SD card, can use the original Genesis controller, and has no apparent sound lag.
When I first heard about Sega using AtGames I freaked not realising that the last AtGames wasn't bad.
@JURO • fair enough. I haven't actually played it yet,. Just been reading up, and reviewing footage. It has a nice selection of games and a great menu.
I couldn’t hear a difference in the comparisons.
I LOVE your channel! You constantly are putting out great content and every video I am glued to the screen. Keep up the good work dude.
Best review yet bar none! not just an unboxing talking about Japanese mini tower etc.
I noticed with the audio that there's some kinda.. lack of pitch/treble with the mini.. which is sad.
I don't have these issues using retro-arch and the cores that come with it for the genesis/segaCD/32X.
Because of the nature of the Genesis sound and music, sega fans have much more of a reason to want the original hardware. I haven’t found very many software options that can replicate what that Yamaha chip could do. It’s almost like a evolutionary dead end.
I already have a Genesis with almost all the games in the Genesis mini. But the quality and attention of detail makes want to get it. They really excelled here.
Rocket Knight once again gets left out. It's a real shame that gem of a game is destined to be forgotten and never re-released ever again.
The 8bitdo M30 works now with a firmware update in case anyone missed this.
It has scanlines as well... you have to hit.. C i think.. to make it apply it when messing with screen settings.
The moment you mentioned sound and I heard Sonic get hit but the sound came a millisecond I knew what you meant.
It seems to vary but it sounds like the delay is as much as a quarter of a second. That's pretty significant in some games
@@Oniphire Ouch...
Oniphire That's nothing compared to Paperboy 2 on SNES and Amiga fortunately.
Also, I saw Retro Core's video about the Mega Drive mini (He lives in Japan) and it seems the original Japanese hardwares have no sound delay. Did SEGA of America fuck up again?
The sound is delayed. It’s annoying for a few seconds but once you get into playing the games you don’t notice it. Its not so bad that it becomes distracting.
I haven't played the original hardware in 20 years so I didn't even notice it at all on this. back when I did have one here in Australia the Megadrive would run at 50hz pal version so this is actually faster lol
Got my Mini for only a handful of games, but was pleasantly pleased with the additional inclusion of the Japanese versions of Hard Corps, Headdy, the original version of Puyo Puyo/Mean Bean and Probotector version of Hard Corps.
My Sega Genesis Mini will be here next Wednesday! Happy times, happy times!
Now for a Sega CD Mini, then Saturn and finally Dreamcast. If they're feeling extra bold, maybe a MasterSystem/32X combo? I think combining those two might be best since there's not really a whole lot of compelling software on the latter to do a mini by itself and, while I have little experience with the MasterSystem, I'm compelled to say the same with that console as well.
Each and every one of those will never happen, _dude!!_
Got one today as a really late birthday present at my GameStop! Holy cow! It has been so long since I played a Sega Genesis! I’m loving it so far!
Do to delivery problems still waiting for my Genesis Mini but appearently my Mega Drive Mini from Japan will be delivered sometime today!
To be honest I think the mini has slightly clearer sound. There was some slight his and distortion on both road rash and streets of rage that wasn't there in the mini.
It's strange how illegal roms played on Kega Fusion have less sound lag. But I'm glad this plays well. Great review as usual.
Did you know that if you open up the mini Sega CD they put a surprise in there for us? Yea it doesn't actually play or do anything besides look cool but they put cardboard computer chips and a sonic CD disc printed inside. Someone I follow opened it up with a screwdriver and found the Easter Egg! Now that's fan service!
the teams who are trying to hack this system have discovered that the chip inside has been under clocked/not running at full power apparently
I got the Genesis mini and been enjoying it alot I also got the Sega Genesis Flashback 2018 Edition the best one they ever put out of the Genesis I like both cause each has games on it that the other doesn't but the Flashback plays original cartridges which the mini doesn't plus has a SD card slot to add more games without having to jailbreak it , I got them both on sale under the retail price at Target , button line they keep me satisfied and I get enjoyment out of em , I too grew up being a Sega Genesis fan , I got one for Christmas in '91 and played it up until I got a PlayStation when it cameout which also got it for Christmas but alot of great memories with the consoles I did have growing up , keep up the good work
As a new owner of a Sega CD, 32X, Genesis and Saturn, this channel is my new addiction.
What game is the song from at 1:22? Sounds so familiar, but I can’t quite place it.
Thank you for the review, I was wondering about this myself. The library thing isn't something I worry about with these mini consoles as there will always be a way to add games to them later. That is unfortunate that the sounds are low and laggy. At first I was thinking "How bad could it be." But then after listening to it I was surprised by how off they sounded. Especially in Road Rash. I was thinking of getting one but I think I will wait for it to come down in price first, or at least when the 6 button controllers come down also.
I would imagine any day now there will be a hack replacing the M2 emulation core and allowing you to add games.
The sound of Genesis games was always the most iconic part of the system to me. While the Mini's sound is faithful the delay is a potential deal breaker for me.
Excellent analysis. Saw this in the shop yesterday and wasn't that fussed - but this video is making me think about picking one up now!
Loved your take on the system warts and all. You tell it like it is and that's appreciated. The one thumbs down must have come from a SNES owner 😉
aye, nei pfp
About the external cardboard box, is it the same size as the NES and SNES Mini?
A bit larger.
@@SegaLordX Thanks! And the japanese box, is it like the nes/snes ones? :)
Gotta love the 42 games on the Sega Genesis Mini like Sonic, Castlevania, Contra, Mega Man, Streets of Rage 2, Street Fighter II and many more!!
In my opinion, the BEST way to play Genesis games is on the mighty Kega FUSION emulator. Flawless emulation, full 32X and Sega CD support (not to mention Master System and Game Gear), razor sharp graphics, flawless sound, savestates, cheat codes, unlimited controller compatibility. I think it's even BETTER than the original hardware!
Anyone else not notice any sound differences in the comparison clips??
The only sega megadrive mini review I need to watch on the tubes
A great overview
We still have a bit of a wait here in the U.K.
Genesis Does, Sega Lord X!
My first Genesis when I was a kid was the streets of rage 2 package,i had no idea it was rare bought it at a Kmart of all places sitting in the back of the electronics section all alone on a shelf
Does anyone know the name of the music that plays from 12.30? Or which game it's from?
Sound seems to be the hardest thing to emulate on these mini consoles. Both the Nes and SNES classic suffered from audio lag.
Sound lag or not, I got to save the game and beat Super Ghosts n Ghouls finally lol
Michael San Fun fact - a few open source emulators emulate the sound perfectly. And companies can totally just use them. All they are required to do is to provide source code of all changes they made to original source.
Lag was much improved on the SNES mini. Digital Foundry said sound delay is around 3 frames in their video, but Genesis Mini is more like 10-11 frames. Looked very noticeable in Streets of Rage 2.
@@shadowflash705 it's not that simple. If Sega were to work with "pirates" and legitimize the sites and people around the emulation community it could get them into legal trouble, you could see Nintendo suing the pants off Sega for doing that.
Hey, what is that title music (home screen)? 4:17 Is it a mash up of songs from the Genesis library? If so, which games? I'm dying to know!!!
The only UA-camr I trust when reviewing this beautiful piece of hardware. I look forward to grabbing one myself, and making a tower of power one day.
Picked up 2. One for me and another for my buddy. Good stuff.
The only difference in the sound that I can hear is that the original hardware is a little louder on most games. What else am I missing here?
Lord Publius Same here , I really cannot hear any other difference.
Been waiting to see your thoughts on this. As a genesis saga master system kid back in the day myself I think this is a good collectable.
I'd agree. A good collectible for most, a decent option for playing the games for the rest.
I immediately noticed the sound lag, wanted to see if it was just me. They put a damn good sound chip in the gen1, it'll never be emulated perfectly.
Sega was a big part of my childhood. Genesis, Game Gear, Sega CD, and Dreamcast.
Wait. If you switch it to Japanese, will the Tetris Rom change? Also, I've heard they fixed the framerate on Wily Wars. The original suffered from considerable frame rate plummeting.
With how detailed and intricate M2 was, I'm surprised there isn't an option to emulate the overscan like you see in Sonic 1 or Road Rash 2
Just as a suggestion, you really ought to reach out to Sega to apply for a job in marketing.
Could you test Retroflag Megadrive controller with 6 buttons with Street Fighter 2 ? Thanks
I don't own a Retroflag Mega Drive controller, but if the other non official controllers are anything to go by, it isn't going to work with the Mini.
Watching this before your Genesis Mini 2 review :)
Man I can't wait for the Belgium release in october. I kinda hope it will lead Sega to release a Master System mini too. Thank you for the review !
Is any one having issues with double presses with the Dpad? I tried both controllers that came with the system and a 6 button retro bit. All of them act the same. The 6 button controller acted up the most.
I get double taps in the game menu. Hopefully they can update that.
@@SegaLordX thanks I noticed it in Sonic 2 while trying to jump platforms and thought I was just really bad at the game. Might still be the case but at least I can blame it on the controller.
I decided to take the controller apart and found the screw on the Dpad was loose. Tightened that up and no more double taps. Doad feels better also
I can hear some sound delay in some of the games. Me, personally, I would have used a different emulator for the Genesis like Gens32 (my favorite). I also wish they drop a 6-pad controller as well.
KrispyNoKen Gens? The only reason to use it now would be running it on a PC from late 90s-early 2000s because actual emulation core is written in the assembly language, so it's very fast. But for emulation quality it lags waaay behind Genesis Plus GX. You can use it as Retroarch core also with nice set of CRT filters, some of them make picture look very close to actual RGB CRT.
RetroArch Genesis Plus GX can play the music properly in Comix Zone and Vectorman 2
you know, the annoying "pew" "pew" "pew" "pew" "pew" "pew" sound
BlastEM is the gold standard second only to the MEGASG, it is a cycle accurate emulator that finally supplanted KegaFusion that ruled for years, endorsed and tested thorougly by DF John Linneman.
There already is a 6 button controller. Check Google/Amazon for "8BitDo"
@@bogartwilley you can use 3rd party controllers with this? Also are the buttons remappable? Because I have the 8bitdo 6 button mega drive gamepad but it's useless at playing many games on the mega drive collection on switch because you can't remap the buttons
The more I see about the Genesis Mini the more I like it. The only lag in audio I could see in your video was in Thunder Force III. But I already own the real Genesis and Saturn versions so that doesn't matter. The rest of the lag was undetectable to me. But that's not surprising consider I went to play Rock Band on my projector the other day and calibration showed ENORMOUS lag that I had never noticed when playing games. LOL
Based on your video it looks like M2 did an absolutely incredible job with this and I'm almost tempted to get one just for how cool the thing is.
But with the entire genesis library on my Wii and my real Genesis with loose games that need reproduction cases...I just can't justify it right now.
But if I had the income of my last job this would be a day one purchase for nostalgia and execution alone. Tho it DOES make me want a model 1 just for the heavenly stereo sound through headphones. Ah, the memories!
Also, "oomph" does NOT belong on menu screen music. When you are stuck in an area for a long time (a dungeon, an overworld, a menu, rousing music becomes REALLY annoying REALLY fast). So I'll disagree with you on that as well.
Yeah I can't hear or notice any lag in this clip
Excellent system I don't hear any sound issues!!!
As far as the sound goes, it's similar to music nowadays. A Casio Synthesizer keyboard from the 80's will not sound like a modern version. Manufacturing processes and materials have changed. Some chip manufacturers are no longer in business. So it's hard to fully duplicate. Minor issue.
Yes sir, this IS exactly how a mini console should be built & priced!
SEGA not only thinking of profits but reasonable & equally entertaining quality product both the ol' faithful ones AND the new generation fans!
THANKS SEGA.
The GENESIS Lives!
Thank you, really very nice review
bought it after watch ur review. I am happy with it with $35 from gamestop
That Shinobi music is amazing!
I can handle some sound issues, thats a crazy good lineup!
Best thing is that I just found out you can use the ebitdo wireless Sega Saturn controller on the mini. I just picked it up for 20 bucks Cdn on amazon. I can't wait. The Saturn controller was the best game pad ever made IMO. I also have their Nintendo styled arcade stick and the PlayStation styled Pro pad and that's some quality stuff for its ease of use and build quality. Its cheap to upgrade the arcade stick if you need to but out of the box its not that bad.
Nothing compares to my MS elite controller or my moded xbone Hori stick but damn 8bitdo makes some quality product. I can't wait to use it on my mini....which I only looked up cause I was watching this review for something I own already for some reason so thanks?😂👍🤘 I was going to buy the Genesis wired 8 button controller for 10 bucks more too. 😅
Question, not sure if anyone can answer this: how hard would it be for a co. such as Sega to work with homebrew devs? Example, the Wolfenstein 3d game that's out there.
Could something like that have been added to the SGMini?
The problem is paying the huge royalty fees for that game and others like it.
I was really happy with the games included. When they announced Megaman: The Wily Wars was going to be on it I knew I had to preorder it right away.
Is that yellow Lambo a Transformer?
The only thing that sucks about the Mini me Mega is the wireless controller doesn’t come out until a month after the release of the Mega Sega Something.
I love the 3button OG controller.
the audio lag could be fixed in a firmware update don't you think? If it's a global emulation issue they could update the emulator so to speak.
Possible. But most of these boxes are 1 and done unless they fix it in a new revision.
What's the "Review" thumbnail font called?
Tetris WAS released on the Genesis, it is just really rare.
Like I said in the video, the Tetris on the Mini is not a port of the rare Mega Drive game.
@@SegaLordX Even on the Japanese menu?
Correct. It's the same game no matter the language. The original Tetris game that came out for the Mega Drive is similar in appearance, but has many, many more options. The one we actually get here, is a barebones port of the Sega System 16 Tetris arcade game.
The lack of Thunder Force IV/Lightening Force is a real shame.
Thanks for sharing your review. I plan on getting one for my fiancé cause she loves some of the Genesis games back in the day
What song is that during your intro? Not your Sega Lord jingle, but the intro to this particular episode
00:13 Shinobi III - Whirlwind
Whenever you have a question about music, check the description. I often put the info there.
Yeah I am really disappointed we didnt get at least 1 6 button included, especially since the Hyperkin usb ones I had dont work on the mini. :(