The census really matters too. Still gotta distribute federal grants, find out which cities need what services, and how many congressional districts each state has.
@@alexandrub8786 the census is primarily for that yea, but since the data is also released publicly it's also used by a lot of other groups for decision making
John Lewis Many employees of the Ellen show have come foreword to report toxic working conditions and how Ellen’s personality on camera is not what it is behind the scenes. To top it off, when the pandemic started and everyone was at home, she laid off the crew only to continue doing the show from her house by hiring non-union workers. She’s definitely falling out of favor.
Kevin Andrade I recall hearing about it shortly after the lockdown began. It didn’t make headlines, for sure, but accounts of the toxic culture were making rounds on reddit.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 sorry that I didn't know the difference between the medal of honor and the presidential medal of freedom when I found out about it few days ago
@@chickenfishhybrid44 idk how many he gave in total but Obama gave bout 28 by my count idk if more or less I only found a couple of sources. He gave 4 in first two years, but they said Trump gave out twice as many in his first two years. The total of Medal of Honors given out were 3525, but the recipients of the Presidential Medal of Freedom total count is like 647. But there was a different Medal of Freedom before JFK remade it and that count is like 20,000. By the that standard it seems like a Medal of Honor is harder to get and only awarded to those who display exceptional valor in the line of duty, as it should be!
The fact no one named Mr Rogers in any list of americans is kind of shocking to me. He was an icon of children's television and a genuine, caring, faithful man. No one who met him could ever say anything negative about him and the stories about said meetings have become almost legendary. For example, he continued writing correspondence with guests on his show, and really did treat everyone like a personal friend. =) Truly, a man to look up to more so than *any* politician.
@@chrishohri688 Near Folsom Prison is just the Sacramento metro area. I'm pretty sure Cash is just a demigod everywhere. Thank Rick Rubin because the poor guy was doing shows at shitty tiny casinos in the 80s until Rick realized that his music was just as relevant as ever and put out the American recordings.
Audie Murphy is criminally under-appreciated. He actually did have a semi-successful film career, and helped break the taboo of veterans talking about PTSD.
Dude was a total badass. The movie _Fury_ is largely based off his wartime heroics. Tragically he was heavily tramautized by the war. They say he'd watch newsreels about German war orphans and break down weeping.
I'm not sure about BC but in Ontario NFL is probably second to the NHL in popularity and Brett Favre would be more than a well known name. At least in southern Ontario
Except Woody was a Stalin line Commie. Johnnie Cash found his soul in jail for petty crimes, becoming prominent in White Soul music circles, C&W. I like his voice & music. I was only briefly exposed to Woody Guthrie, like 1st & 2d Grades. He certainly "Has not aged well".
Brett Favre is well remembered in NFL circles, as he is a member of the Pro Football Hall Of Fame. Pat Tillman is not really recognized, but I am under 30 and know a little about him, so that’s something. And as an aviation nerd, Chuck Yeager is held up as an amazing figure in the aviation community. Fun fact: The Bell X-1 that he broke the sound barrier in, back in 1947, was nicknamed “Glamourous Glennis” after Yeager’s wife, and I have seen it on display at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum in Washington. Well done as always, JJ, and have a good day.
Probably because he gets skipped over quite a bit in our education system, I find. We seem to just agree that he was good while ignoring the reasons why (probably because he was pretty progressive and many Americans would not agree with him back then, some of what he advocated for they wouldn't agree with now, even).
To be quite honest, the mythos surrounding Teddy Roosevelt is simply something the internet has exaggerated based on real life, and said exaggerations are projected onto him retroactively. From an objective standpoint, Theodore was far from a bad president, but he really isn't extraordinary with respect to his policies. On the otherhand, his cousin, FDR, laid the groundwork for the modern American welfare system and for the most part revolutionized the role of not only the federal government in people's live but government as a whole.
Declan Newton-Maharaj the modern American welfare system was more accurately created during the LBJ administration with the Great Society program. FDR is well known for giving hope to all Americans in some of the darkest times of our history, most of his success comes from areas that aren’t generally involved in modern politics. Such as cementing the US as the worlds greatest power and diplomacy among the allies. Though he did indeed change the role the government plays in American lives and the economy. In regards to Teddy, his policies today had fundamentally changed the role of the government in regards to the economy. Being the first progressive president, his installation of progressivism and activism left an eternal impact on US politics making it a political issue. His actions towards trust busting lead for a more equal and just society, reducing corruption in the economy and government. The creation of the Panama Canal and the Great White Fleet established the US as a global power and brought us out of isolationism. This can be further seen by his mediation of the Russo-Japanese war. His personal life saw him to many amazing things, the only aspect that is overblown was the Battle of San Juan Hill in the Spanish American War. Both men were equally incredible people who had vastly different political ideologies yet ascribed to progressivism. FDR is better known because it is easier to see his impact.
If they did it today, Kobe Bryant would rank high because his death was so recent, also i believe that Michael Phelps would rank high for the same reasons that Armstrong did
I think Bernie Sanders would make it onto the list today but unless he attempts to run for president again I don't think he will be particularly well known in 15 years time. At least one of the Kardashians would probably have a chance of getting on the list but once again they will probably become irrelevant within the next 15 years. Thinking about it, if any super obnoxious UA-camr like Jake or Logan Paul made it onto such a list, I cannot imagine that ageing well.
@Nick Smith Whilst I personally am a fan of Bernie Sanders I wasn't trying to make any political point here. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he is very influential and therefore would stand a good chance of appearing on a top 100 greatest Americans list if any such survey was conducted today. When the 2005 survey was conducted, you could just as easily have asked why Barack Obama made it onto the list if he had not even attempted to run for president by that point.
Nick Smith Whatever your politics, you kinda have to acknowledge that Bernie Sanders essentially woke up a rather ferocious left-wing movement. Depending on the events of the next few months, years, and decades, he could end up being long term super influential despite not becoming president.
Oh my God JJ. The fact that you guessed Kanye, and he turned out to be more of a Henry Ford-like entry instead of a lasting entry just in the few years since you did this video. So nuts.
@@merc-chef "I mean they convinced the world that the ok hand sign is racist. It isn't by the way." Except actual white supremacists do the OK sign publicly too. The Christchurch shooter did the OK sign on his trial, for example.
@@theobuniel9643 And? You got played fool. They told you they were pulling a prank, you believed them, and then you called anyone who did the handsign a white supremacist. Do you know who else has done the ok handsign? Every f'ing politician in history, especially the dem ones...because they're even more racist probably. Obama did it, hilary did it, the burn guy did it, aoc has done it....etc etc etc ad naseum. Go away now.
As A Wisconsinite I can assure that Bret Favre (pronounced Farve) would likely not make the list today. He was the Green Bay Packers' Quarterback and was a much bigger deal during the time of the survey however lost a lot of respect amongst the die-hard Green Bay Packers fans when he ended up moving to the Jets and long-time rivals of the Packers Minnesota Vikings in the late 2000's. If anything the Packers fans might consolidate behind Aaron Rodgers (the current Quarterback) instead.
He actually made it on to the extra 75 back then, I would say being on money helped but interestingly neither Jackson nor Grant were on the list, which goes against that explaination
When it comes to Audie Murphy, he's really popular among servicemen and historically, he contributed a lot to mental healthcare for military veterans, particularly those that suffer from PTSD. Chuck Yeager aside from his record of breaking the sound barrier later in his career dedicated himself to aviation safety and in many ways, the skies are safer thanks to him. You can also credit that mentality to him being a test pilot, who understood the need for safety in such a dangerous field.
Ron Paul still is one of the greatest Americans. Do you even liberty bro? On a serious note, Ron Paul was one of the people prescient enough to know why GW, Colin Powell, Guliani, and Condelezza Rice would not be liked in the future. Also his criticisms of the Federal Reserve and monetary policy in general will bear out as the governments of the world run up insane levels of debt.
@@Smithistory I do liberty, bro. His fiscal policies are fine; his social policies are complete and utter dogshit (if we're going on them being about liberty for all lol)
@@Smithistory i totally agree with you but most people have forgotten about him now, and he was never really _that_ popular. libertarian-minded people are a small minority of americans unfortunately
Ron Paul wasn't that popular actually, He never polled more than around 15% in the Republican primary polls and would have certainly lost to Barrack Obama if he made it as the Republican nominee despite it's massive online fandom. He would probably have been in the top 100 if it was done in 2012 but not top 20, let alone 5. He will likely be remembered as a libertarian and a figure in the tea party movement of the time that would eventually get superseded by Trumpism. If there was a survey held in 2012, the more dated answer would likely come from either John McCain or Sarah Palin.
I discovered your channel earlier this week. As an American, I find this video and your videos on Canadian politics very interesting. Keep up the good work.
I love this channel! I know that steamrolling the same topics like: Geography, History, Culture, Politics, and Geopolitics can get tiresome - but your channel delivers really precise and interesting facts, or topics, or concepts which most would gloss over. No matter the topic, I'm going to keep on watching this channel! Keep up with the great videos, they're unlike anything else on UA-cam, and are really entertaining and interesting during these times. Keep up the fantastically unique work J.J!
@@JJMcCullough Oh wow, I didn't think you would see my comment. I did have some ideas, by some, I mean 12 xD 1) The very obscure fringe parties of Canada or the fringe parties of the U.S (so many) 2) More mysterious flag videos (I loved that series) 3) Explaining the capital cities of each province (I've only been to Vancouver, very beautiful city) 4) Ranking all Prime Ministers of Canada by any means like accomplishments, or what they are known for 5) Making a history video of your channel 6) A video where you react or share some funny comments 7) Crazy stories which have occurred to you in or out of Canada 8) What Canadian stereotypes are true and not true (I'm Canadian but barely) 9) What to know or what to do if visiting Vancouver or just any city in Canada 10) Rating Canadian city flags (I know there are some really good ones, like Toronto, and some bad ones like Halifax) 11) Rating international flags 12) Giving your opinions or thoughts on people from each province of Canada, or even territory (I had a neighbor from the Yukon for a month oddly enough - even though I live in California)
Audie Murphy is huge in military circles. He is the single most decorated soldier in US history. Absolute legend that even the freshest private out of basic training is familiar with. His service record reads like a folk tale. Definitely has an almost larger than life reputation dispite him only being 5'5".
@@dustinsihotang5328 This so true I find his videos super entertaining I already once said to him that I would choose to watch him if someone would just blindly suggest to watch UA-cam, everyone has its own favorite UA-camrs but I think it's just beyond subjective, it's the energy and an overall feel he transmits through his videos which makes them so pleasant to watch.
There were some small mistakes in the first upload, including, yes, a weird photoshop of Malcolm X I didn't realize wasn't an actual photo of him. Please forgive, and enjoy this video. There is also a small new graphic only the most alert viewer will notice.
For celebrities Beyoncé and The Rock would make it on, I’ve seen a lot of people saying John McCain and Kobe Bryant and I definitely agree with those, plus Fauci as a pick that would age quickly. I’ve seen a lot of people saying Bernie and AOC, but I don’t think their supports really revere them as heroes in a way that they would put them on a greatest Americans list but I could be wrong.
That's my problem with these lists. They should be people that have had a long and broad impact and have high aproveal ratings amongst the majority of Americans. So Trump or Bernie shouldn't be on the list cause there mixed opinions depending on your policital views. AOC or Fauci should also not be there cause there recent figures and not huge in the broader history.
Kobe would not age well thou. People are only going to vote for him because of his tragical death recently. He is likely going to get forgotten the same way we forget all the other sport stars.
I think people like Fred Rodgers and Bob Ross would be in the current top 100 because they've had recent resurgences in the cultural consciousness for one reason or another. Even though Rodgers died in 2003, a few years before the list, it wasn't until recently when biopics & documentaries on him were released did he get a true resurgence in appreciation.
I think we'd see a few actors from the MCU (RBJ Chris Evans, Stan Lee)on the lower end of the list, other actors like Jack Black, Robin Williams, the Rock probably higher up there. I think Bob Ross could make it since we've seen a rise in his popularity in recent years. This would be a very interesting list
@John leftist hold Pat Tillman and his family has heroes of the opposition to the Global War on Terror. There are conspiracy theories on the left that Tillman was killed by his men on purpose because he became disillusioned with the war.
Pick that will age well: Obama, because while liberals will always approve of the first black president, in time conservatives will start to forget about their past hatred of him and will eventually hold him up as a classy model to compare with the black politicians of the future. Conservatives hated MLK at the time, but now he's universally revered and his radicalism is forgotten. The obvious answer is AOC but to be more interesting I'll say Joe Kennedy III
Thats a good point. But Obama also wasn’t exactly the FDR type of president that left something extremely notable in history bit rather as a president of peace and tranquility. So it can also argue that people in the long term will not remember him as clearly as presidents that left deep marks in history, which don’t necessarily mean that they were much greater.
I honestly don’t think Obama will age well among republicans for a long time to come. I don’t think that republicans are gonna shut down the rumors of scandal that’ve started to spread about him and most right-wingers see him as sam hu said - not notable enough.
My guess is that politicians like Sanders/Warren/AOC would probably be somewhere in the top 100 today, as a symbol of how far the Democratic Party has shifted since 2005. I won't speculate on how prescient or not this would be. ;)
Infiltrating the joebiden campaign it not. Centre right it a big tent centre to left wing party that a American politics don’t like move to Canada and vote ndp or green
I paused at 13:05 I'm 17 years old and from Ireland. I know Pat Tillman was a American football player who gave up playing in the NFL to enlist in the military after 9/11. I have mad respect for him. He's more known about than he is talked about but people do know him.
Yeah I'm 19 and everybody kind of knows who he is but he's not really highly regarded anymore especially as public opinion regarding the Iraq war is extremely negative these days
Pat Tillman is still a very popular figure within the US military and veteran community. His legacy lives on through the Pat Tillman foundation which helps veterans and veteran spouses go to college. It's probably one of the best known scholarship programs or grants for this group of people.
Pat Tillman still deserves to be on the list. Leaving the NFL for the military is still quite brave. It's not his fault the military paid him back by using his dead body as a prop.
Then Hank Greenberg should be on the list. He left baseball for almost 4 years, in his prime, to fight in WWII. He was the first Jewish superstar in US sports. Having faced discrimination, Hank befriended the rookie Jackie Robinson and helped him handle the difficulties of being the first black MLB player. Greenberg was the league MVP twice and has been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
@@javierrivera9824 To correct you, everyone questions Iraq not Afghanistan (even though both wars are very questionable). Al-Qaeda (who did 9/11) was literally birthed in Afghanistan.
@@javierrivera9824 also Pat before the “friendly fire” incident he was literally going to speak to Chomsky on being against the Iraq War. “According to Prof. Michael I. Niman: As both wars droned on, Tillman, the picture perfect recruiting poster boy, evolved into somewhat of a wild card. With a Chomsky meeting on the horizon, there existed a very real possibility that Tillman might go public with his anti-war anti-Bush stance in the weeks leading up to the 2004 presidential election, dealing a fatal blow to the very foundation of the Bush administration's propaganda pyramid. That day, however, never came. On April 22nd, 2004, Tillman was killed on patrol in Afghanistan by three American bullets to the head.” From his wiki you could look for other sources yourself.
@@porsche911sbs I've been suspicious of him for being more OK with the French Revolution, the template for subsequent unjust bloody egalitarian flavored Revolutions.
Audie Murphy is a beast. He’s somewhat well known in the US. More recently he has reclaimed some fame due to a Sabaton song being made about him a couple of few years ago with some high profile youtube videos being made about him, but nothing to big. Overall of people who know of him, he’s regarded as one of America’s best real-life heroes. Also his grave is still visited a lot.
11:18 there's a great UA-cam video about Murray that I saw before this video: ua-cam.com/video/cF5NXNqKGoQ/v-deo.html. But sadly, his story after the war became sadder when he was one of the first high profile people to suffer from PTSD en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy
Kim Kardashian would definitely make it on the list now but would be embarrassing later on. Michelle Obama and Donald Trump would make it in. Also Tom Brady and Elon Musk and Jeff Bazos would make it in. Steve Jobs would definitely be higher. Mark Zukerburg could make it on too.
Elon musk is south african Edit: what I meant is that he was born in south africa, not in america. I know hes an american citizen, but I thought that it might not count for greatest american.
Mark Zuckerburg is very influential. But, most people hate him and pull him down the list now after the privacy and election interference scandals. Jeff Bezos is also very influential in that it is predicted that he could become the world’s first trillionaire in a few years but people could also hate him and pull his name down the list due to the massive wealth inequality. If the contest was done today, it contest could certainly be rigged by people paying for votes for fame like how Mike Bloomberg paid for votes.
I feel like "The Rock" and Beyonce might make the hypothetical list. Controversial picks might include Zuckerberg, Musk, and Bezos Mostly, I'm curious to see a person we don't know yet who will end up on that list!
I first learned Audie Murphy and Chuck Yeager from The Simpsons When Marge gave Grampa a haircut he complained that he wanted an Audie Murphy haircut. Sideshow Bob referenced Chuck Yeager when he tried to destroy television "Son, this is Colonel Hapablap. That fool McGuckett sprayed runway foam all over Chuck Yeager's Acura." As a Simpsons guy you'd probably know those references
Yeah, I bet some of the so-called "intellectual dark web" (Shapiro, Rogan, Sam Harris, etc) would make it on for sure. As well as some Trump-era stars like Alex Jones and... I dunno, Diamond and Silk maybe?
The greatest Americans should be people that had a broad and long impact and have high aproveal ratings amongst the majority of Americans. So Ben Sharpio or AOC shouldn't be on the list cause there diversive and are recent figures.
@@acegarcia3719 oh no doubt, but people don't choose based on their actual impact, that's why movie stars made it into the list. today niki minaj would probably be within the top 100
@@caden7745 But... He literally didn't give any criteria, he just said a single, broad point. I think he means, that people choose based on how they feel toward that person, instead of weighing the impact each of them had. This doesn't mean that impact has no effect, just that impact isn't entirely responsible for what place people are in.
John McCain would probably be somewhere in there. I feel like some very famous actor would be in the 100. Maybe Robert Downey jr. Or something. Depending when this hypothetical show would be made, maybe Dr.Fauci would be on there. I feel like Michelle Obama might be on there too. And I feel like SOMEONE from tech would have to be there. Probably not Jeff bezos considering he can be pretty polarizing, but perhaps Steve jobs. And I feel like someone along the lines of Jimmy Fallon or someone might be on there purely because of their popularity.
How are we forgetting Elon musk. Technically he’s South African but he also has American and Canadian citizenship. The U.S certainly trusts him, cause he’s literally launching rockets for the government. He would definitely be on the list.
@@DrCinemaJunkie saying Bill Nye is in the scientific field is a good joke. He has no scientific credibility. He just read a script and continues to do so to this day. Not really a scientist. Tyson? Yes. Nye? No.
Reagan was kinda like our thatcher, depending on where you lived you either loved or hated him. I respect every president to some degree but I really feel lincoln should be first
Depending on who you talk to, Lincoln was kind of a Thatcher figure as well. He wasn't criticized for acting like a dictator for no reason after all. Suspending Habeas Corpus and court-marshalling anyone who speaks ill of the Union were very unpopular
In June of 2020, I think Kayne was a good choice for someone who would make the list and stay popular. Now, I think the only list he's on is probably the loneliest list in the history of list -- The list of black Nazis
Paul Ramone Brian Wilson is great but to the general public, he wouldn’t make it today. People probably don’t even know who he is or what band he was in nowadays, except for people who like the Beach Boys, obviously.
@@JLEFWrestling I'm a huge Beach Boys fan and you're absolutely right. I feel like not nearly enough ppl know who Brian Wilson is or his contribution to the musical revolution of the 60s
@@cameronchieppo7504 He´s probably Greek, and in Greece they have a really big problem with poeple from North Macedonia calling themselves Macedonians.
Indeed, it's weird to imagine a time when the president was like, a broadly popular figure. Like most Americans, liberal or conservative, would just be like "yeah Reagan seems like he's doing a good job, I approve of him!"
@@JJMcCullough I feel like this was kind of the case in both the early- to mid-presidencies of Clinton and Bush still, though both of those men left office in (partisan) disgrace, whereas with both Obama and Trump the Controversy was just immense from the beginning.
@@phosphoros60 The old man Bush, maybe. But W came to office under extremely controversial circumstances and a significant chunk of the left always held that he was never legitimately elected. He did get a brief boost from 9-11 though.
I feel like maybe this is because before Reagan partisanship wasn't as big of a deal and appointments for judgeships and cabinet positions were dull rubberstamp affairs.
I said “Pence” like 10 seconds before I heard you say it. As America becomes more socially liberal, it’s unlikely that he’ll remain super popular in 20 years, but he’d be on the list now.
I feel the fame and impact of Audie Murphy was really missed in this video, especially the part about him not really having success in his movie career. His imdb page list him as appearing in 50 movies. He played himself in the film adaptation of his autobiography, which was well reviewed and popular. Seeing him reenactment his war exploits really cemented him in the public consciousness at the time, although apparently the experience freaked out Murphy so much he avoided war films after that. He stared in a bunch of western films at the hight of the genre’s popularity, and was appearing in movies up until his sudden death. I also think the details of his personal life helped in public understanding of PTSD. Oh, and he wrote a bunch of songs for popular artists and had a couple of hits.
@@JK-gu3tl It’s not that she played activist in that case. The majority of the court held that eminent domain was constitutional in that situation. It’s not a popular constitutional provision. It’s quite unpopular, in fact. But that’s just how it’s written and that is the power that the states agreed upon when they ratified the Constitution.
As a non American non football fan (which I realize is essentially saying the same thing twice) I'd never heard of him before. But his sheer dedication is admirable and inspirational and for that reason alone his legacy is still very relevant to remember today.
This isn't really agreeing with the guidelines J.J. set out for who we would choose, but I think it's crazy that Ulysses S. Grant wasn't in the top 100 greatest Americans. At one point the most famous American in America, now a slightly forgotten figure in our history. Lincoln may have been the head of the country in the Civil War, and he may have made the political moves that re-framed war into one that ended slavery; but Grant won that war, he fought those battles that won abolition, and he brought the South back into the Union. He needs a resurgence in the public, he's a fascinating character, not just for his exploits in war and politics but also just as a person. Some don't like him because of his presidency but he did a lot more than people give him credit for and did great things for this country. If I had to pick someone that would age well, and that is famous today I would 100% pick Andrew Yang.
I'm surprised that Fredrick Douglas wasn't in there or Tesla. I would've also liked to have seen Richard Feynman and Bobby Fischer. But, yes. Grant absolutely should've been on that list.
I disagree. For all of of Ulysses S. Grant's merits, he has just as many demerits in my opinion. Grant is generally considered among the worst presidents ever, particularly for the levels of corruption associated with his presidency. He was also a slave owner, which in itself isn't disqualifying because so are shoe-ins to this list like Washington and Jefferson, but goes against him nevertheless. He was also a war criminal in multiple respects. He very nearly expelled Jewish people from Union occupied territory in Tennessee. His pre-general career was also famously undistinguished. He was not an unimportant American. You can't tell the story of the United States without him. But greatest implies their contributions were significant especially in comparison to their deficits. You could very easily argue that Grant's deficits were greater than his contributions.
You asked what musicians I think deserve to be on this list. So here is my pick for musicians - a) Leonard Bernstein - would definitely place him in the top 25 b) Taylor Swift - somewhere in the top 100 c) Van Cliburn - somewhere in the top 100 As for current celebrities I would choose - Kristen Bell, Jessica Alba, George Clooney
I’m surprised of how few Hollywood golden era actors made it into the cut. I would have thought people like James Dean or Marlon Brando would still be known and beloved.
Brando started in golden age and was extremely influential then, but he is more recalled now or is later life with how uninterested he was in his work and strange personal life and his politics. Dean is more Golden age Hollywood symbol.
I had the same thought. Like MLK Jr, Malcolm X is a person everyone in the US has heard of and has vaguely good feelings about, but most people couldn’t tell you a lot of what they actually said. I think the elite class in the 70’s put a lot of effort into sanitizing these men so they could comfortably be held up as token African-American heroes. It’s a tragedy that they aren’t studied more closely because they had really fascinating things to say.
Who would absolutely be in the top 10 now is Alexander Hamilton, not because he wasn't around back in 2005 (obviously) but because everyone knows about him now.
Honestly, Pat Tillman is probably one of the names that you’d probably still see in the bottom 75 today. Very well told story to young fans of football, at least in the past decade.
Elon is a tricky one. Even though he was born in South Africa, he has Canadian and American citizenship. He’s basically Mr. Worldwide of the Anglo-sphere lol
Yeah you may be correct regarding ocasio cortez. As proven by the list presented by JJ in the video, you don't necessarily have to be very good at anything to make it on.
@@therast5 He was a Navy Seal sniper and the subject of the film American Sniper. Quite a popular figure with conservatives (and quite unpopular with liberals), although I think his moment has kind of passed by already with that movie being at least 5 years old by now, and his death being even older.
@@demonstructie I don't think she's good at making policy, but she's clearly good at getting attention. So far she's a one-term congresswoman who is very young and has somehow become a national figurehead of the one of the two biggest American parties. She's broadly viewed as someone who is as important in politics as people like Nancy Pelosi or Mitch McConnell, despite her lack of seniority or real power.
I was surprised to see Audie Murphy, I think his legacy was pretty cool but unknown. The band sabaton made a song about him called "To Hell and Back" and its how I first discovered him.
Very late, but I think Pete Buttigieg or AOC could end up being a "well-aged" choice nowadays. I think both have a pretty good chance of becoming increasingly relevant in national politics.
Odd you said John Glenn was a non-politician. I get that he was probably on the list for his career as an astronaut, but he WAS a politician. A longtime Senator, and even a one-time failed presidential candidate.
I had posted the comment on the old version of this video, but since that one’s gone, I figured I’d put in my two cents again. :) I think that, with the popularity of the musical which bears his name, Alexander Hamilton would make this list today. Also, the writer of Hamilton, Lin-Manuel Miranda, would also likely make the list.
People from the Black Panther Party would definitely be on the list (Fred Hampton could make the list too since he had a very martyrish death compared to Newton), given how BLM popularized many ideas in the 2010s that the Panthers did first around the 60s and 70s.
Audie Murphy is still fairly well known in US military history circles (and rightly so IMO), and I think Pat Tillman still should belong on the list for choosing to serve his country over stardom. Friendly fire aside, he did serve well based on my understanding. I am sad that Teddy Roosevelt wasn’t on this list, though.
I think that Alan Menken and Howard Ashman should be on because they are two of the newest songwriters to have work in the great American songbook. Together, they did the Little Shop of Horrors musical and Disney’s versions of Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid and Aladdin.
I feel like for musicians, some of the most important are Louis Armstrong, the man that basically invented jazz as we know it today, and Daniel Dumile aka MF DOOM, a fairly unknown rapper but also someone that very silently influenced the industry by inspiring many popular rappers of today. DOOM was also an incredibly enigmatic figure, to the point where the public was only let known about his death on Halloween of 2020 on New Year’s Eve of 2020.
Funky Fact: Suprising to myself, not a single NASCAR driver made the list, despite the peak of NASCAR's popularity being in 2006 and the relatively recent death (at the time) of Dale Earnhardt in 2001.
14:41 I think it would be Technoblade, a Californian Minecraft youtuber known for his dry humor and being very good at pvp. I think he would be on the list because of his determination in uploading videos even as he was dying to cancer. Edit:fixed timestamp
Oh yeah, I could see that. People like Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande could have exponentially high amounts of votes due to the tactics that pop stans do when it comes to online polls.
Chuck Yeager broke the sound Barrier with 2 broken ribs after a horseback riding incident he had to close the hatch of the X-1 with a broomstick. RIP legend
Brett Favre has actually aged poorly. In 2005 he would have been a little after his peak. But he still would’ve been one of the best quarterbacks at the time. By this point, he had taken the Packers to two Super Bowls and won 1. He then later left the Packers for the Vikings, who are one of their greatest rivals, and then recently it came out that he was miss handling state welfare money.
I’m surprised Bob Dylan and Prince were left off. They seem like obvious choices. Also, Mariah Carey. She had, what, every top hit for most of the 90s? If it were done today, Beyoncé would surely be on there. It’s hard to imagine there are any Barack Obama’s currently floating around… maybe London Breed or Jared Polis? Gretchen Whitmer? I could go either way on AOC-as in, she’d probably be on the list, but I think it’s equally likely that she’d be seen 15 years later as a weird, obscure pick or a prescient one
Why Joe? He has the potential (with an appropriate VP and cabinet) to make the country more progressive than it ever has before. He will implement the Green New Deal, expand the coverage of medicare, and move this country away from Trump and into the next decade on the right foot.
@@MithrandilPlays Because he actually opposes all of those things? He's basically a moderate Republican in all but name. And also, he is personally responsible for the current police state.
In my opinion, Audie Murphy is a lot like Alvin York. Both tend to be war heroes that the nation can take pride in. I would say that Murphy is less well-known because of the scale of the war. It's a lot more difficult to remember one war hero out of a sea of hundreds of similar acts, where the US's relatively limited involvement in WWI created fewer heroes to compare York to.
One of my history teachers in high school would never shut up about Audie Murphy and Chuck Yeager. He even threw a girl out of the class once for criticizing Murphy's addiction to sleeping pills. The teacher was a stereotypical conservative older Boomer who was still angry about draft dodgers in the Vietnam War, which perfectly encapsulates the reasons for his rather fanatical dedication to Murphy and Yeager.
I think Kanye West, Elon Musk, & David Goggins would be great picks. I think Ellen is going to be the worst aging one since her allegations for treating her em pop loyees terrible and having to cancel her show
I found out about Audie Murphy thanks to Sabaton's song To Hell and Back and also thanks to the Sabaton History episode on his life and struggle with PTSD. So please indulge as I leave bellow one of his poems where you can see his struggles with PTSD: "Oh, gather ‘round me, comrades And listen while I weep; Of a war, a war, a war… where hell is six feet deep. Along the shore, the cannons roar. Oh how can a soldier sleep? The going’s slow on Anzio And hell is six feet deep. Praise be to God for this captured sod That’s rich where blood does seep; With yours and mine, like butchered swine; And hell is six feet deep. That death does wait There’s no debate; No triumph will we reap The crosses grow on Anzio, Where hell is six feet deep."
Not only was there the timing of Reagan's death, 2004-05 was basically the high-water mark of the optimistic Reagan type conservatism that has never really recovered since Katrina, public turning on Iraq War, and 2008 financial crisis. The number of people that went from overtly supporting the Bush administration to criticizing it was pretty stunning to someone who was called a gay terrorist lover two years prior.
I liked the inclusion of Pat Tillman, I grew up near ASU where he went to college. I always liked hearing him going from rising college star, to a hometown hero in the NFL. Sad how he lost his life in a friendly fire incident but much respect for giving up a sport to fight for his country. but sadly the country didn't really do him justice.
Yeah I’m from AZ and go to college in the valley. He’s still an icon. Every single ASU game will still have multiple mentions of him. The military lying was bad, but it doesn’t undo his personal heroism
Instead of a census, they should conduct this poll every ten years.
Would probably give more insight about the american people than the census
The census really matters too. Still gotta distribute federal grants, find out which cities need what services, and how many congressional districts each state has.
@@lawriebeckett7805 on what i know the census is about electoral college and money distribution.
Agreed
@@alexandrub8786 the census is primarily for that yea, but since the data is also released publicly it's also used by a lot of other groups for decision making
"Ellen DeGeneres was an example that aged well" -Well that's going to age badly.
I was thinking the same thing. I guess J.J. hasn't heard.
David Greene what’s the news ?
John Lewis Many employees of the Ellen show have come foreword to report toxic working conditions and how Ellen’s personality on camera is not what it is behind the scenes. To top it off, when the pandemic started and everyone was at home, she laid off the crew only to continue doing the show from her house by hiring non-union workers. She’s definitely falling out of favor.
@@DavyDangerous Well that didn't come out till the end ofJuly and this was posted June 6.
Kevin Andrade I recall hearing about it shortly after the lockdown began. It didn’t make headlines, for sure, but accounts of the toxic culture were making rounds on reddit.
The absolute irony of the Ellen DeGeneres pick "aging well" had me in stiches.
Even the medal of Honor is now becoming worthless since Ellen and Rush Limbaugh got one
😂😂😂, same here
@@chickenfishhybrid44 sorry that I didn't know the difference between the medal of honor and the presidential medal of freedom when I found out about it few days ago
@@chickenfishhybrid44 120 and 100 really isnt that much compared to the American populace as a whole.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 idk how many he gave in total but Obama gave bout 28 by my count idk if more or less I only found a couple of sources. He gave 4 in first two years, but they said Trump gave out twice as many in his first two years. The total of Medal of Honors given out were 3525, but the recipients of the Presidential Medal of Freedom total count is like 647. But there was a different Medal of Freedom before JFK remade it and that count is like 20,000. By the that standard it seems like a Medal of Honor is harder to get and only awarded to those who display exceptional valor in the line of duty, as it should be!
The fact no one named Mr Rogers in any list of americans is kind of shocking to me. He was an icon of children's television and a genuine, caring, faithful man. No one who met him could ever say anything negative about him and the stories about said meetings have become almost legendary. For example, he continued writing correspondence with guests on his show, and really did treat everyone like a personal friend. =) Truly, a man to look up to more so than *any* politician.
I was very surprised James Dean wasn’t on it. When I think of old Americana he’s the face of it
I agree with Bill Burr’s defense of Armstrong.
“Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy”
Neil or Louis?
@@kabouterwesley83 Lance
Ah yes the "everyone was doing it" defense. Congrats you are dumber than a second grader.
@@sticks4632 eh?
@@kabouterwesley83 I don't think you need performance enhancing drugs to land on the moon
Johnny Cash should be on there. If there ever was an American icon, it'd be him.
I know people from near where Folsom Prison is and he’s a demigod there
Yeah, I'm shocked he's not on the list.
Hell ya my guy
@@chrishohri688 Near Folsom Prison is just the Sacramento metro area. I'm pretty sure Cash is just a demigod everywhere. Thank Rick Rubin because the poor guy was doing shows at shitty tiny casinos in the 80s until Rick realized that his music was just as relevant as ever and put out the American recordings.
He and Jimi Hendrix came to mind for me.
Audie Murphy is criminally under-appreciated. He actually did have a semi-successful film career, and helped break the taboo of veterans talking about PTSD.
JJ clearly doesn’t listen to enough Sabaton.
Dude was a total badass. The movie _Fury_ is largely based off his wartime heroics. Tragically he was heavily tramautized by the war. They say he'd watch newsreels about German war orphans and break down weeping.
Well one of the communities I know is named after him.
@@alexstamp5482 he went to hell and came back
Didn’t he ride on top of a burning tank?
JJ struggling to pronounce Brett Favre name, is one of the most Canadian things I’ve ever seen.
Go pack go!
To be fair, Favre pronounces his own name incorrectly
Haha, that made me chuckle too.
I'm not sure about BC but in Ontario NFL is probably second to the NHL in popularity and Brett Favre would be more than a well known name. At least in southern Ontario
How is that Canadian though? A lot of people watch the nfl in Canada.
I'm genuinely shocked that Woodie Guthrie and Johnny Cash aren't on the list. They wrote some of what are considered quintessential "American" songs.
Except Woody was a Stalin line Commie. Johnnie Cash found his soul in jail for petty crimes, becoming prominent in White Soul music circles, C&W. I like his voice & music. I was only briefly exposed to Woody Guthrie, like 1st & 2d Grades. He certainly "Has not aged well".
I’m shocked they didn’t include Aaron Copeland, who composed the quintessential American orchestra.
Or Bob Dylan
Or John Lennon
Too bad the way the timeline went means Bernie Sanders probably wouldn't make the list.
Brett Favre is well remembered in NFL circles, as he is a member of the Pro Football Hall Of Fame. Pat Tillman is not really recognized, but I am under 30 and know a little about him, so that’s something. And as an aviation nerd, Chuck Yeager is held up as an amazing figure in the aviation community. Fun fact: The Bell X-1 that he broke the sound barrier in, back in 1947, was nicknamed “Glamourous Glennis” after Yeager’s wife, and I have seen it on display at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum in Washington. Well done as always, JJ, and have a good day.
Maybe since after Bret Favre Aaron Rodgers? Ik in this time it wouldn't age well but still
For a choice that I think people would make now but which would be dated I’d say Joe Rogan
Mr. Reverse Robin Hood.....steal from the poor to give to himself has aged MAGNIFICENTLY!!!!
@@andychen4810 yea Brett favre is amazing. We should all aspire to steel millions from the welfare system to pocket it for ourselves.
Theodore roosevelt should have ranked much higher honestly
It’s shocking that he didn’t make it into the top ten to be honest
Probably because he gets skipped over quite a bit in our education system, I find. We seem to just agree that he was good while ignoring the reasons why (probably because he was pretty progressive and many Americans would not agree with him back then, some of what he advocated for they wouldn't agree with now, even).
To be quite honest, the mythos surrounding Teddy Roosevelt is simply something the internet has exaggerated based on real life, and said exaggerations are projected onto him retroactively.
From an objective standpoint, Theodore was far from a bad president, but he really isn't extraordinary with respect to his policies.
On the otherhand, his cousin, FDR, laid the groundwork for the modern American welfare system and for the most part revolutionized the role of not only the federal government in people's live but government as a whole.
@@wishy1741 I mean yeah,he literally campaigned for universal health care in 1912
Declan Newton-Maharaj the modern American welfare system was more accurately created during the LBJ administration with the Great Society program. FDR is well known for giving hope to all Americans in some of the darkest times of our history, most of his success comes from areas that aren’t generally involved in modern politics. Such as cementing the US as the worlds greatest power and diplomacy among the allies. Though he did indeed change the role the government plays in American lives and the economy.
In regards to Teddy, his policies today had fundamentally changed the role of the government in regards to the economy. Being the first progressive president, his installation of progressivism and activism left an eternal impact on US politics making it a political issue. His actions towards trust busting lead for a more equal and just society, reducing corruption in the economy and government. The creation of the Panama Canal and the Great White Fleet established the US as a global power and brought us out of isolationism. This can be further seen by his mediation of the Russo-Japanese war. His personal life saw him to many amazing things, the only aspect that is overblown was the Battle of San Juan Hill in the Spanish American War.
Both men were equally incredible people who had vastly different political ideologies yet ascribed to progressivism. FDR is better known because it is easier to see his impact.
If they did it today, Kobe Bryant would rank high because his death was so recent, also i believe that Michael Phelps would rank high for the same reasons that Armstrong did
I don't think Phelps would rank as highly. In 2016, sure.
Kobe doesn’t deserve it
@@alicem1961 didn’t he assault some women or something I forget
LeBron would fs be up there
I think Bernie Sanders would make it onto the list today but unless he attempts to run for president again I don't think he will be particularly well known in 15 years time.
At least one of the Kardashians would probably have a chance of getting on the list but once again they will probably become irrelevant within the next 15 years.
Thinking about it, if any super obnoxious UA-camr like Jake or Logan Paul made it onto such a list, I cannot imagine that ageing well.
Bernie will not run again, he will be 82 in 2024.
@@MithrandilPlays That's a miracle
tbf Logan Paul's perception has done a 180 in the past few months
@Nick Smith Whilst I personally am a fan of Bernie Sanders I wasn't trying to make any political point here. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he is very influential and therefore would stand a good chance of appearing on a top 100 greatest Americans list if any such survey was conducted today. When the 2005 survey was conducted, you could just as easily have asked why Barack Obama made it onto the list if he had not even attempted to run for president by that point.
Nick Smith
Whatever your politics, you kinda have to acknowledge that Bernie Sanders essentially woke up a rather ferocious left-wing movement. Depending on the events of the next few months, years, and decades, he could end up being long term super influential despite not becoming president.
Oh my God JJ. The fact that you guessed Kanye, and he turned out to be more of a Henry Ford-like entry instead of a lasting entry just in the few years since you did this video. So nuts.
SO GODDAMN TRUE!!!!
If this was held today (with an online poll), then 4chan would rig the poll to have George Wallace or someone like that at number 1.
They'd only do it to mess with you. I mean they convinced the world that the ok hand sign is racist. It isn't by the way.
George Wallace? Nah bro, they'd go with William Luther Pierce or someone far more psychotic and obscure.
The idea that 4chan wouldn’t have done this in 05 is hilarious.
@@merc-chef "I mean they convinced the world that the ok hand sign is racist. It isn't by the way."
Except actual white supremacists do the OK sign publicly too. The Christchurch shooter did the OK sign on his trial, for example.
@@theobuniel9643 And?
You got played fool. They told you they were pulling a prank, you believed them, and then you called anyone who did the handsign a white supremacist. Do you know who else has done the ok handsign? Every f'ing politician in history, especially the dem ones...because they're even more racist probably.
Obama did it, hilary did it, the burn guy did it, aoc has done it....etc etc etc ad naseum. Go away now.
As A Wisconsinite I can assure that Bret Favre (pronounced Farve) would likely not make the list today. He was the Green Bay Packers' Quarterback and was a much bigger deal during the time of the survey however lost a lot of respect amongst the die-hard Green Bay Packers fans when he ended up moving to the Jets and long-time rivals of the Packers Minnesota Vikings in the late 2000's. If anything the Packers fans might consolidate behind Aaron Rodgers (the current Quarterback) instead.
Can’t blame Favre for leaving the only state not to go Reagan. 😂
Steven Miller that’s Minnesota not Wisconsin
umop apIsdn, well then screw Favre! He’s a traitor!!!
Don't forget texting pics of his junk while in crocs.
Tom Schneeberg, what’s wrong with that?
JJ Struggling to pronounce the name of a football player with a french last name is Peak JJ.
True, although I don't think Americans pronounce his name in a french way. We just swap the v and the r around.
@@1perspective286 lol I never new that Favre was spelt with the V before the R
J.J. should just list himself as greatest american. He knows more about the U.S. than most actual americans,
Factual he could be my high school history teacher
Are we now adopting a Canadian?
JJ is certainly more American than Canadian, he might as well make it official!
I think alexander hamilton could probably make it onto the list today
Oooh, great shout!
Kind of like a really old celebrity who became extra-mega-famous just in the last 15 years (is that true?)
@@JoeNaeem Nah he just had a musical made about him a few years ago.
He actually made it on to the extra 75 back then, I would say being on money helped but interestingly neither Jackson nor Grant were on the list, which goes against that explaination
When it comes to Audie Murphy, he's really popular among servicemen and historically, he contributed a lot to mental healthcare for military veterans, particularly those that suffer from PTSD. Chuck Yeager aside from his record of breaking the sound barrier later in his career dedicated himself to aviation safety and in many ways, the skies are safer thanks to him. You can also credit that mentality to him being a test pilot, who understood the need for safety in such a dangerous field.
If this was held in 2012 Ron Paul would easily be a top 5 pick that would seem outdated almost instantly after.
Ron Paul still is one of the greatest Americans. Do you even liberty bro?
On a serious note, Ron Paul was one of the people prescient enough to know why GW, Colin Powell, Guliani, and Condelezza Rice would not be liked in the future. Also his criticisms of the Federal Reserve and monetary policy in general will bear out as the governments of the world run up insane levels of debt.
@@Smithistory I do liberty, bro. His fiscal policies are fine; his social policies are complete and utter dogshit (if we're going on them being about liberty for all lol)
@@Smithistory i totally agree with you but most people have forgotten about him now, and he was never really _that_ popular. libertarian-minded people are a small minority of americans unfortunately
Ron Paul wasn't that popular actually, He never polled more than around 15% in the Republican primary polls and would have certainly lost to Barrack Obama if he made it as the Republican nominee despite it's massive online fandom. He would probably have been in the top 100 if it was done in 2012 but not top 20, let alone 5. He will likely be remembered as a libertarian and a figure in the tea party movement of the time that would eventually get superseded by Trumpism.
If there was a survey held in 2012, the more dated answer would likely come from either John McCain or Sarah Palin.
Maybe we could put JJ on top ten Americans after the merge lol
😳
Who's going to tell him/her .....
😂
Hey hey, they put Mel Gibson on the list and he's Australian.
I discovered your channel earlier this week. As an American, I find this video and your videos on Canadian politics very interesting. Keep up the good work.
I love this channel! I know that steamrolling the same topics like: Geography, History, Culture, Politics, and Geopolitics can get tiresome - but your channel delivers really precise and interesting facts, or topics, or concepts which most would gloss over. No matter the topic, I'm going to keep on watching this channel! Keep up with the great videos, they're unlike anything else on UA-cam, and are really entertaining and interesting during these times. Keep up the fantastically unique work J.J!
Thanks so much my friend. Do you have any good ideas for future videos?
@@JJMcCullough Oh wow, I didn't think you would see my comment. I did have some ideas, by some, I mean 12 xD
1) The very obscure fringe parties of Canada or the fringe parties of the U.S (so many)
2) More mysterious flag videos (I loved that series)
3) Explaining the capital cities of each province (I've only been to Vancouver, very beautiful city)
4) Ranking all Prime Ministers of Canada by any means like accomplishments, or what they are known for
5) Making a history video of your channel
6) A video where you react or share some funny comments
7) Crazy stories which have occurred to you in or out of Canada
8) What Canadian stereotypes are true and not true (I'm Canadian but barely)
9) What to know or what to do if visiting Vancouver or just any city in Canada
10) Rating Canadian city flags (I know there are some really good ones, like Toronto, and some bad ones like Halifax)
11) Rating international flags
12) Giving your opinions or thoughts on people from each province of Canada, or even territory (I had a neighbor from the Yukon for a month oddly enough - even though I live in California)
@@ACHistory This is a gem. Probably the best comment I’ve seen from this channel or any channel because these ideas became videos!
Audie Murphy is huge in military circles. He is the single most decorated soldier in US history. Absolute legend that even the freshest private out of basic training is familiar with. His service record reads like a folk tale. Definitely has an almost larger than life reputation dispite him only being 5'5".
You are one of the most interesting UA-camrs
Seriously! You never know what to expect. Love it.
Thanks JJ
@@dustinsihotang5328 This so true I find his videos super entertaining I already once said to him that I would choose to watch him if someone would just blindly suggest to watch UA-cam, everyone has its own favorite UA-camrs but I think it's just beyond subjective, it's the energy and an overall feel he transmits through his videos which makes them so pleasant to watch.
Who's here after the original got taken down?
Me
Same here
It was really confusing lol
Me too m8
There were some small mistakes in the first upload, including, yes, a weird photoshop of Malcolm X I didn't realize wasn't an actual photo of him. Please forgive, and enjoy this video. There is also a small new graphic only the most alert viewer will notice.
For celebrities Beyoncé and The Rock would make it on, I’ve seen a lot of people saying John McCain and Kobe Bryant and I definitely agree with those, plus Fauci as a pick that would age quickly. I’ve seen a lot of people saying Bernie and AOC, but I don’t think their supports really revere them as heroes in a way that they would put them on a greatest Americans list but I could be wrong.
That's my problem with these lists. They should be people that have had a long and broad impact and have high aproveal ratings amongst the majority of Americans. So Trump or Bernie shouldn't be on the list cause there mixed opinions depending on your policital views. AOC or Fauci should also not be there cause there recent figures and not huge in the broader history.
Kobe would not age well thou. People are only going to vote for him because of his tragical death recently. He is likely going to get forgotten the same way we forget all the other sport stars.
sam hu you dont forget the legends. Kobe was a legend of the game
@@samhu5878 nah man, kobe should be put on the same tier as lebron and michael jordan, and we are forgetting them any time soon
I think you right that DSA dems would'nt name AOC or Bernie, but both of them have really idolized Eugene B. debs and i think that would rub off
The fact that Jim Henson (and almost the whole Muppet troupe) and Mr Rogers are not on the list destroys my trust in America.
Definitely Mr Rogers should be on the list. But it doesn’t shock me that he’s not.
I think people like Fred Rodgers and Bob Ross would be in the current top 100 because they've had recent resurgences in the cultural consciousness for one reason or another. Even though Rodgers died in 2003, a few years before the list, it wasn't until recently when biopics & documentaries on him were released did he get a true resurgence in appreciation.
Every muppet is legitimately a greater American than Reagan
I think we'd see a few actors from the MCU (RBJ Chris Evans, Stan Lee)on the lower end of the list, other actors like Jack Black, Robin Williams, the Rock probably higher up there. I think Bob Ross could make it since we've seen a rise in his popularity in recent years. This would be a very interesting list
"Has anyone under 30 ever heard of Pat Tillman?"
Yes, but I had a military upbringing.
I know of him because he has become a sort of folk hero on the left
even though I was born in 1997 I can vaguely remember him after some prompting from JJ.
@John leftist hold Pat Tillman and his family has heroes of the opposition to the Global War on Terror. There are conspiracy theories on the left that Tillman was killed by his men on purpose because he became disillusioned with the war.
I legitamitely never heard about him until I watched this video
I didn't have a military upbringing. I'm 26, and I very much remember the talk about Tillman.
Pick that will age well: Obama, because while liberals will always approve of the first black president, in time conservatives will start to forget about their past hatred of him and will eventually hold him up as a classy model to compare with the black politicians of the future. Conservatives hated MLK at the time, but now he's universally revered and his radicalism is forgotten. The obvious answer is AOC but to be more interesting I'll say Joe Kennedy III
Thats a good point. But Obama also wasn’t exactly the FDR type of president that left something extremely notable in history bit rather as a president of peace and tranquility. So it can also argue that people in the long term will not remember him as clearly as presidents that left deep marks in history, which don’t necessarily mean that they were much greater.
I honestly don’t think Obama will age well among republicans for a long time to come. I don’t think that republicans are gonna shut down the rumors of scandal that’ve started to spread about him and most right-wingers see him as sam hu said - not notable enough.
Obama was black Bush.
My guess is that politicians like Sanders/Warren/AOC would probably be somewhere in the top 100 today, as a symbol of how far the Democratic Party has shifted since 2005. I won't speculate on how prescient or not this would be. ;)
John Chessant the Democratic Party is a centre right party, Bernie and AOC are just outliers
John Chessant
For Republicans: Dan Crenshaw, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio.
KnuxMaster 368 really? I always thought if Marco Rubio as very establishment republican, but maybe I’m wrong
Infiltrating the joebiden campaign it not. Centre right it a big tent centre to left wing party that a American politics don’t like move to Canada and vote ndp or green
KnuxMaster 368 I say trump and josh hawley
I paused at 13:05 I'm 17 years old and from Ireland. I know Pat Tillman was a American football player who gave up playing in the NFL to enlist in the military after 9/11. I have mad respect for him. He's more known about than he is talked about but people do know him.
Yeah I'm 19 and everybody kind of knows who he is but he's not really highly regarded anymore especially as public opinion regarding the Iraq war is extremely negative these days
Yeah idk about Canada, but he’s still a huge star with football fans, military people, Arizonans, and ASU students
Pat Tillman is still a very popular figure within the US military and veteran community. His legacy lives on through the Pat Tillman foundation which helps veterans and veteran spouses go to college. It's probably one of the best known scholarship programs or grants for this group of people.
Pat Tillman still deserves to be on the list. Leaving the NFL for the military is still quite brave. It's not his fault the military paid him back by using his dead body as a prop.
The military killed Tillman because he was going to speak out against the invasion of Iraq.
Then Hank Greenberg should be on the list. He left baseball for almost 4 years, in his prime, to fight in WWII. He was the first Jewish superstar in US sports. Having faced discrimination, Hank befriended the rookie Jackie Robinson and helped him handle the difficulties of being the first black MLB player. Greenberg was the league MVP twice and has been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
@@Littlepeep192 everyone in the military question the invasion of Afghanistan that was the most ignorant comment u just made
@@javierrivera9824 To correct you, everyone questions Iraq not Afghanistan (even though both wars are very questionable). Al-Qaeda (who did 9/11) was literally birthed in Afghanistan.
@@javierrivera9824 also Pat before the “friendly fire” incident he was literally going to speak to Chomsky on being against the Iraq War.
“According to Prof. Michael I. Niman:
As both wars droned on, Tillman, the picture perfect recruiting poster boy, evolved into somewhat of a wild card. With a Chomsky meeting on the horizon, there existed a very real possibility that Tillman might go public with his anti-war anti-Bush stance in the weeks leading up to the 2004 presidential election, dealing a fatal blow to the very foundation of the Bush administration's propaganda pyramid. That day, however, never came. On April 22nd, 2004, Tillman was killed on patrol in Afghanistan by three American bullets to the head.”
From his wiki you could look for other sources yourself.
Teddy Roosevelt and Jefferson not even being in the top ten is a travesty
Yeah, it's absolutely baffling that Reagan is ranked above them. I am a conservative and was ok with Reagan but those 2 are just way more important.
@@caden7745 I like the implication of Teddy Roosevelt being a conservative
Isaac Vogel I don’t think he implied Teddy was a conservative, he said despite the fact he’s conservative. He thinks Teddy is more important
Seriously Jefferson had so much influence on American political philosophy. As much as anyone, he was the nation embodied in a single man.
@@porsche911sbs I've been suspicious of him for being more OK with the French Revolution, the template for subsequent unjust bloody egalitarian flavored Revolutions.
Hey JJ. Even if you reupload. I'm still gonna rewatch cause i dont want that evil algorithm to hurt the channel. The world must know your videos!
Audie Murphy is a beast. He’s somewhat well known in the US. More recently he has reclaimed some fame due to a Sabaton song being made about him a couple of few years ago with some high profile youtube videos being made about him, but nothing to big. Overall of people who know of him, he’s regarded as one of America’s best real-life heroes. Also his grave is still visited a lot.
11:18 there's a great UA-cam video about Murray that I saw before this video: ua-cam.com/video/cF5NXNqKGoQ/v-deo.html. But sadly, his story after the war became sadder when he was one of the first high profile people to suffer from PTSD en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy
Kim Kardashian would definitely make it on the list now but would be embarrassing later on. Michelle Obama and Donald Trump would make it in. Also Tom Brady and Elon Musk and Jeff Bazos would make it in. Steve Jobs would definitely be higher. Mark Zukerburg could make it on too.
Elon musk is south african
Edit: what I meant is that he was born in south africa, not in america. I know hes an american citizen, but I thought that it might not count for greatest american.
@@hidragon.3096 He has been an American citizen since 2002.
Mark Zuckerburg is very influential. But, most people hate him and pull him down the list now after the privacy and election interference scandals. Jeff Bezos is also very influential in that it is predicted that he could become the world’s first trillionaire in a few years but people could also hate him and pull his name down the list due to the massive wealth inequality. If the contest was done today, it contest could certainly be rigged by people paying for votes for fame like how Mike Bloomberg paid for votes.
@@Ratchet4647 hell yeah brother. The American identity is bound by philosophy, not race nor borders.
Trump or Bernie shouldn't be on the list cause the greatest Americans in my opinion need to have high aproveal across party lines.
I feel like "The Rock" and Beyonce might make the hypothetical list.
Controversial picks might include Zuckerberg, Musk, and Bezos
Mostly, I'm curious to see a person we don't know yet who will end up on that list!
I believe that as youtube, tiktok and other video media grow, a dude named Anton Wong will dominate the list in 10 years.
Musk is South African. They forgot Richard Nixon
@@robroux6074 that's where he's from. He moved to the US. Unless there's a rule that you need to be born in USA to qualify for the list...
I think there’s a 0% chance anyone picks Bezos. Left wing or right wing, we all generally hate Bezos.
As for musicians: Jimmi Hendrix
Jimi
Prince
Nah Johnny Cash
@@cam-edy1294 marty robbins*
I first learned Audie Murphy and Chuck Yeager from The Simpsons
When Marge gave Grampa a haircut he complained that he wanted an Audie Murphy haircut.
Sideshow Bob referenced Chuck Yeager when he tried to destroy television "Son, this is Colonel Hapablap. That fool McGuckett sprayed runway foam all over Chuck Yeager's Acura." As a Simpsons guy you'd probably know those references
7:34 this is a rare example of a pick that has aged well that has aged horribly.
Honestly I could see some political commentators like Ben Shapiro making it on and end up becoming irrelevant in the years after.
Yeah, I bet some of the so-called "intellectual dark web" (Shapiro, Rogan, Sam Harris, etc) would make it on for sure. As well as some Trump-era stars like Alex Jones and... I dunno, Diamond and Silk maybe?
The greatest Americans should be people that had a broad and long impact and have high aproveal ratings amongst the majority of Americans. So Ben Sharpio or AOC shouldn't be on the list cause there diversive and are recent figures.
@@acegarcia3719 oh no doubt, but people don't choose based on their actual impact, that's why movie stars made it into the list. today niki minaj would probably be within the top 100
@@blew1t if people voted based on your criteria 75% of these people wouldn't be on the list.
@@caden7745 But...
He literally didn't give any criteria, he just said a single, broad point.
I think he means, that people choose based on how they feel toward that person, instead of weighing the impact each of them had. This doesn't mean that impact has no effect, just that impact isn't entirely responsible for what place people are in.
Audie Murphy is the guy Sabaton sung about in the ''To hell and back'' if I'm not mistaken
There’s a book and a movie about Audie called “To hell and back”. You should at least check out the movie.
Why do I have so many Sabaton fans?
@@JJMcCullough Because Sabaton rocks!!!
J.J. McCullough We multiply exponentially.
As of today I’m a fan... 🤔
John McCain would probably be somewhere in there. I feel like some very famous actor would be in the 100. Maybe Robert Downey jr. Or something. Depending when this hypothetical show would be made, maybe Dr.Fauci would be on there. I feel like Michelle Obama might be on there too. And I feel like SOMEONE from tech would have to be there. Probably not Jeff bezos considering he can be pretty polarizing, but perhaps Steve jobs. And I feel like someone along the lines of Jimmy Fallon or someone might be on there purely because of their popularity.
Ooh Jimmy Fallon is a great choice.
I feel that John McCain would not be a bad choice
How are we forgetting Elon musk. Technically he’s South African but he also has American and Canadian citizenship. The U.S certainly trusts him, cause he’s literally launching rockets for the government. He would definitely be on the list.
@@DrCinemaJunkie saying Bill Nye is in the scientific field is a good joke. He has no scientific credibility. He just read a script and continues to do so to this day. Not really a scientist. Tyson? Yes. Nye? No.
@@KennyGaming98 I can see a lot of people being mad, however.
Reagan was kinda like our thatcher, depending on where you lived you either loved or hated him. I respect every president to some degree but I really feel lincoln should be first
Depending on who you talk to, Lincoln was kind of a Thatcher figure as well. He wasn't criticized for acting like a dictator for no reason after all. Suspending Habeas Corpus and court-marshalling anyone who speaks ill of the Union were very unpopular
@@Wig_Girl i said "wasnt criticized for no reason, after all"
Same decade too
In June of 2020, I think Kayne was a good choice for someone who would make the list and stay popular.
Now, I think the only list he's on is probably the loneliest list in the history of list -- The list of black Nazis
Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan & Brian Wilson should be included for musicians.
Paul Ramone Brian Wilson is great but to the general public, he wouldn’t make it today. People probably don’t even know who he is or what band he was in nowadays, except for people who like the Beach Boys, obviously.
I haven’t heard of Brian Wilson, but Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan both definitely deserve a spot
@@JLEFWrestling I'm a huge Beach Boys fan and you're absolutely right. I feel like not nearly enough ppl know who Brian Wilson is or his contribution to the musical revolution of the 60s
Scott Joplin is what comes first to my mind for musicians
I'm utterly shocked Dylan didn't make the list. Should be top 50, let alone 100.
I'm a 16 year old Macedonian boy and I've heard of Pat Tillman, every year they remind us of his memory on nfl games.
"Macedonian" 🙄
@@starman1144 what’s weird about being Macedonian? Lol
@@cameronchieppo7504 He´s probably Greek, and in Greece they have a really big problem with poeple from North Macedonia calling themselves Macedonians.
"Reagan was very popular *even* in his own time..."
Quite unusual for modern American Presidents
Indeed, it's weird to imagine a time when the president was like, a broadly popular figure. Like most Americans, liberal or conservative, would just be like "yeah Reagan seems like he's doing a good job, I approve of him!"
@@JJMcCullough I feel like this was kind of the case in both the early- to mid-presidencies of Clinton and Bush still, though both of those men left office in (partisan) disgrace, whereas with both Obama and Trump the Controversy was just immense from the beginning.
@@phosphoros60 The old man Bush, maybe. But W came to office under extremely controversial circumstances and a significant chunk of the left always held that he was never legitimately elected. He did get a brief boost from 9-11 though.
@@JJMcCullough But wasn't that cancelled out by the rally around the flag after the 9/11?
I feel like maybe this is because before Reagan partisanship wasn't as big of a deal and appointments for judgeships and cabinet positions were dull rubberstamp affairs.
I said “Pence” like 10 seconds before I heard you say it. As America becomes more socially liberal, it’s unlikely that he’ll remain super popular in 20 years, but he’d be on the list now.
I feel the fame and impact of Audie Murphy was really missed in this video, especially the part about him not really having success in his movie career. His imdb page list him as appearing in 50 movies. He played himself in the film adaptation of his autobiography, which was well reviewed and popular. Seeing him reenactment his war exploits really cemented him in the public consciousness at the time, although apparently the experience freaked out Murphy so much he avoided war films after that. He stared in a bunch of western films at the hight of the genre’s popularity, and was appearing in movies up until his sudden death. I also think the details of his personal life helped in public understanding of PTSD. Oh, and he wrote a bunch of songs for popular artists and had a couple of hits.
I think Ruth Bader Ginsberg might end up on the list today - one of the few “celebrity” judges in the USA.
Oof
Well she definitely would now
Definitely would now
Hell no, she voted for majority in Kelo vs New London. I would take Harlan over her if we're talking Supreme Court Justices.
@@JK-gu3tl It’s not that she played activist in that case. The majority of the court held that eminent domain was constitutional in that situation. It’s not a popular constitutional provision. It’s quite unpopular, in fact. But that’s just how it’s written and that is the power that the states agreed upon when they ratified the Constitution.
Pat Tillman is still quite well known here in the states, at least among the people I know.
why I’ve never heard of him, but then again that’s not my generation
I think he is far better known among big NFL fans since they continue to honor him frequently.
Shayne Cytrynbaum that’s not my generation either but he’s still a household name
As a non American non football fan (which I realize is essentially saying the same thing twice) I'd never heard of him before. But his sheer dedication is admirable and inspirational and for that reason alone his legacy is still very relevant to remember today.
@@shayne-1880 I'm a zoomer and not that big of a football fan but idk, maybe I've just heard of him more for some reason
This isn't really agreeing with the guidelines J.J. set out for who we would choose, but I think it's crazy that Ulysses S. Grant wasn't in the top 100 greatest Americans. At one point the most famous American in America, now a slightly forgotten figure in our history. Lincoln may have been the head of the country in the Civil War, and he may have made the political moves that re-framed war into one that ended slavery; but Grant won that war, he fought those battles that won abolition, and he brought the South back into the Union. He needs a resurgence in the public, he's a fascinating character, not just for his exploits in war and politics but also just as a person. Some don't like him because of his presidency but he did a lot more than people give him credit for and did great things for this country.
If I had to pick someone that would age well, and that is famous today I would 100% pick Andrew Yang.
I'm surprised that Fredrick Douglas wasn't in there or Tesla. I would've also liked to have seen Richard Feynman and Bobby Fischer. But, yes. Grant absolutely should've been on that list.
who’s buried in Grant’s tomb?
@@OrigamiMaster06 Tesla wasnt american
I disagree. For all of of Ulysses S. Grant's merits, he has just as many demerits in my opinion. Grant is generally considered among the worst presidents ever, particularly for the levels of corruption associated with his presidency.
He was also a slave owner, which in itself isn't disqualifying because so are shoe-ins to this list like Washington and Jefferson, but goes against him nevertheless. He was also a war criminal in multiple respects. He very nearly expelled Jewish people from Union occupied territory in Tennessee. His pre-general career was also famously undistinguished.
He was not an unimportant American. You can't tell the story of the United States without him. But greatest implies their contributions were significant especially in comparison to their deficits. You could very easily argue that Grant's deficits were greater than his contributions.
@@freddiesimmons1394 He was a citizen of the US. I think that qualifies.
You asked what musicians I think deserve to be on this list. So here is my pick for musicians -
a) Leonard Bernstein - would definitely place him in the top 25
b) Taylor Swift - somewhere in the top 100
c) Van Cliburn - somewhere in the top 100
As for current celebrities I would choose -
Kristen Bell, Jessica Alba, George Clooney
I agree on George Clooney and Taylor Swift, but disagree on everyone else.
I’m surprised of how few Hollywood golden era actors made it into the cut. I would have thought people like James Dean or Marlon Brando would still be known and beloved.
Brando started in golden age and was extremely influential then, but he is more recalled now or is later life with how uninterested he was in his work and strange personal life and his politics. Dean is more Golden age Hollywood symbol.
Great video jj, I am 13 and I find your political videos very informative. Thanks, Jack
10:15 How is Malcolm X not a controversial figure?
I had the same thought. Like MLK Jr, Malcolm X is a person everyone in the US has heard of and has vaguely good feelings about, but most people couldn’t tell you a lot of what they actually said. I think the elite class in the 70’s put a lot of effort into sanitizing these men so they could comfortably be held up as token African-American heroes. It’s a tragedy that they aren’t studied more closely because they had really fascinating things to say.
Exactly!! Maybe people still believe in violent protest even after MLK proved him wrong.
he IS controversial in his views rhetoric etc. but his inclusion on this list is obvious
@@samhu5878 MLK proved X right because her was just as hated by americans despite being peaceful, look up the polls.
Who would absolutely be in the top 10 now is Alexander Hamilton, not because he wasn't around back in 2005 (obviously) but because everyone knows about him now.
I think this is very illustrative of how little American history the average American actually understands
Honestly, Pat Tillman is probably one of the names that you’d probably still see in the bottom 75 today. Very well told story to young fans of football, at least in the past decade.
Elon Musk would 100% make the list.
He was born in South Africa so I’m not sure if it would work
Maybe but he probably wouldn't deserve it
@@matthewwiszowaty653 but has American.
WHY??
Elon is a tricky one. Even though he was born in South Africa, he has Canadian and American citizenship. He’s basically Mr. Worldwide of the Anglo-sphere lol
American who will gain more prominence: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
American who will become obscure: Chris Kyle
Yeah you may be correct regarding ocasio cortez. As proven by the list presented by JJ in the video, you don't necessarily have to be very good at anything to make it on.
I think she’s a fad
Who's Chris Kyle?
@@therast5 He was a Navy Seal sniper and the subject of the film American Sniper. Quite a popular figure with conservatives (and quite unpopular with liberals), although I think his moment has kind of passed by already with that movie being at least 5 years old by now, and his death being even older.
@@demonstructie I don't think she's good at making policy, but she's clearly good at getting attention. So far she's a one-term congresswoman who is very young and has somehow become a national figurehead of the one of the two biggest American parties. She's broadly viewed as someone who is as important in politics as people like Nancy Pelosi or Mitch McConnell, despite her lack of seniority or real power.
I was surprised to see Audie Murphy, I think his legacy was pretty cool but unknown. The band sabaton made a song about him called "To Hell and Back" and its how I first discovered him.
Very late, but I think Pete Buttigieg or AOC could end up being a "well-aged" choice nowadays. I think both have a pretty good chance of becoming increasingly relevant in national politics.
I was thinking Bernie.
Odd you said John Glenn was a non-politician. I get that he was probably on the list for his career as an astronaut, but he WAS a politician. A longtime Senator, and even a one-time failed presidential candidate.
I had posted the comment on the old version of this video, but since that one’s gone, I figured I’d put in my two cents again. :)
I think that, with the popularity of the musical which bears his name, Alexander Hamilton would make this list today. Also, the writer of Hamilton, Lin-Manuel Miranda, would also likely make the list.
14:40 charli d'amelio fit that definition perfectly
Charli is no Barack Obama lmao.
myman 284 Pretty much yeah ha ha
I think John Mcain would make it if it were done today, I also think Huey Newton should have been on the list
People from the Black Panther Party would definitely be on the list (Fred Hampton could make the list too since he had a very martyrish death compared to Newton), given how BLM popularized many ideas in the 2010s that the Panthers did first around the 60s and 70s.
Audie Murphy is still fairly well known in US military history circles (and rightly so IMO), and I think Pat Tillman still should belong on the list for choosing to serve his country over stardom. Friendly fire aside, he did serve well based on my understanding. I am sad that Teddy Roosevelt wasn’t on this list, though.
Bush at 2:25 looks like he just woke up from a nap.
J.J. choosing Kanye did not age well today lol
was just about to comment this lmao
I think that Alan Menken and Howard Ashman should be on because they are two of the newest songwriters to have work in the great American songbook. Together, they did the Little Shop of Horrors musical and Disney’s versions of Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid and Aladdin.
I feel like for musicians, some of the most important are Louis Armstrong, the man that basically invented jazz as we know it today, and Daniel Dumile aka MF DOOM, a fairly unknown rapper but also someone that very silently influenced the industry by inspiring many popular rappers of today. DOOM was also an incredibly enigmatic figure, to the point where the public was only let known about his death on Halloween of 2020 on New Year’s Eve of 2020.
I doubt doom would ever make it onto a list like this. Maybe a rapper with more presence in the mainstream like Dre or Kendrick
Doom ain’t making it on the top 100 Americans ever💀
Late comment, but MF DOOM was born in the UK, so he couldn't make this list.
Pat Tillman is extremely well loved in Az. Other then McCain, and Goldwater, he’s up there for most loved AZ people
Funky Fact: Suprising to myself, not a single NASCAR driver made the list, despite the peak of NASCAR's popularity being in 2006 and the relatively recent death (at the time) of Dale Earnhardt in 2001.
pat tillman is probably more famous to younger people as he is one of the most broken cards in madden
I'm from the future. Turns out Kanye wouldn't age so well.
15:11 I straight up spit out my drink
14:41 I think it would be Technoblade, a Californian Minecraft youtuber known for his dry humor and being very good at pvp. I think he would be on the list because of his determination in uploading videos even as he was dying to cancer.
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I don't think so. This would be a survey taken by the general American public, and I doubt many of them would know who he is.
Wow less than 3 years later and JJ got both of his choices on point for being canceled
George Carlin got a front row seat to the freak show.
Yet neither Jack Kerouac nor Lenny Bruce made the top 100?
Me: *Reads title*
*sees George Bush in the thumbnail*
Me: Oh boy here we go
I don't know if the survey COULD be held today without stan culture distorting the results.
Or cancel culture.
Oh yeah, I could see that. People like Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande could have exponentially high amounts of votes due to the tactics that pop stans do when it comes to online polls.
Chuck Yeager broke the sound Barrier with 2 broken ribs after a horseback riding incident he had to close the hatch of the X-1 with a broomstick. RIP legend
Brett Favre has actually aged poorly. In 2005 he would have been a little after his peak. But he still would’ve been one of the best quarterbacks at the time. By this point, he had taken the Packers to two Super Bowls and won 1. He then later left the Packers for the Vikings, who are one of their greatest rivals, and then recently it came out that he was miss handling state welfare money.
Pat Tillman still has some memorials in Arizona by the Arizona Cardinals.
I’m surprised Bob Dylan and Prince were left off. They seem like obvious choices. Also, Mariah Carey. She had, what, every top hit for most of the 90s?
If it were done today, Beyoncé would surely be on there.
It’s hard to imagine there are any Barack Obama’s currently floating around… maybe London Breed or Jared Polis? Gretchen Whitmer? I could go either way on AOC-as in, she’d probably be on the list, but I think it’s equally likely that she’d be seen 15 years later as a weird, obscure pick or a prescient one
Will age well: Colin Kaepernick
Will age poorly: Joe Biden
Biden is only going to get votes because we are in election. He is predictably going to be the blandest president even if he gets elected.
Agree
has already aged poorly: two time loser Bernie Sanders 😉
Why Joe? He has the potential (with an appropriate VP and cabinet) to make the country more progressive than it ever has before. He will implement the Green New Deal, expand the coverage of medicare, and move this country away from Trump and into the next decade on the right foot.
@@MithrandilPlays Because he actually opposes all of those things? He's basically a moderate Republican in all but name. And also, he is personally responsible for the current police state.
In my opinion, Audie Murphy is a lot like Alvin York. Both tend to be war heroes that the nation can take pride in. I would say that Murphy is less well-known because of the scale of the war. It's a lot more difficult to remember one war hero out of a sea of hundreds of similar acts, where the US's relatively limited involvement in WWI created fewer heroes to compare York to.
One of my history teachers in high school would never shut up about Audie Murphy and Chuck Yeager. He even threw a girl out of the class once for criticizing Murphy's addiction to sleeping pills. The teacher was a stereotypical conservative older Boomer who was still angry about draft dodgers in the Vietnam War, which perfectly encapsulates the reasons for his rather fanatical dedication to Murphy and Yeager.
Rock "the Dwayne" Johnson!
Yeah, he would be on there.
I think Kanye West, Elon Musk, & David Goggins would be great picks. I think Ellen is going to be the worst aging one since her allegations for treating her em pop loyees terrible and having to cancel her show
I found out about Audie Murphy thanks to Sabaton's song To Hell and Back and also thanks to the Sabaton History episode on his life and struggle with PTSD. So please indulge as I leave bellow one of his poems where you can see his struggles with PTSD:
"Oh, gather ‘round me, comrades
And listen while I weep;
Of a war, a war, a war…
where hell is six feet deep.
Along the shore, the cannons roar.
Oh how can a soldier sleep?
The going’s slow on Anzio
And hell is six feet deep.
Praise be to God for this captured sod
That’s rich where blood does seep;
With yours and mine, like butchered swine;
And hell is six feet deep.
That death does wait
There’s no debate;
No triumph will we reap
The crosses grow on Anzio,
Where hell is six feet deep."
Not only was there the timing of Reagan's death, 2004-05 was basically the high-water mark of the optimistic Reagan type conservatism that has never really recovered since Katrina, public turning on Iraq War, and 2008 financial crisis. The number of people that went from overtly supporting the Bush administration to criticizing it was pretty stunning to someone who was called a gay terrorist lover two years prior.
I liked the inclusion of Pat Tillman, I grew up near ASU where he went to college. I always liked hearing him going from rising college star, to a hometown hero in the NFL. Sad how he lost his life in a friendly fire incident but much respect for giving up a sport to fight for his country. but sadly the country didn't really do him justice.
Yeah I’m from AZ and go to college in the valley. He’s still an icon. Every single ASU game will still have multiple mentions of him. The military lying was bad, but it doesn’t undo his personal heroism