RUN OVER Your Poker Table With OVER BETS (Easy Guide!)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Wanna know when to overbet for value, and when to overbet as a bluff? Marc Goone from Hungry Horse Poker walks you through the how, why and when's to use overbets in your live poker game to DOMINATE your table.
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I don’t think some of you realize how good this information is? 😂
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Oh no, I love this recipe George! 😅
@georgeargyris543 I heard that! Dude has a very very good channel for sure.
I’m not even watching for the poker content anymore, which is fantastic. I’m here for the comedy.
Great content, Mark. Can you make (or point me to) a similar video that addresses what to do when the hero the middling hand (Like AJ, KJ, QJ) rather than a monster or air? How does that affect the circumstances under which hero would want to employ overbets?
hey vince!
1) classify your hand. is it a hand that wants to play for stacks RIGHT NOW? thick value (hand when we bet 3 streets and they call we are happy, but unhappy when we get raised at any point) or thin value (hand when we bet 2 streets and they call we are happy, but if we bet 3 streets it’s probably too thin)
2) thick value / can play for stacks / bluffs all usually want to play the same on flops and turns against weak players. thin value / showdown value want to find a check at some point (usually on the turn)
Marc can you go into detail what it means for your opponent to be capped or uncapped?
Question - on the final part of this video with the Ace coming in, you said you’d bet pretty pretty small. Are you saying a small overbet or are you saying small in general? If small in general, what size?
I don't watch many strategy videos multiple times. But these I do. I am also guilty of not noticing the Braves pitching line-up at the table until somebody mentioned it in the comments. My experience with Atlanta-area former major league sports professionals (across all sports) is that they are anything but nits, and almost guaranteed to produce a good game.
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This is where I get methodical and slow with my actions. I understand these concepts watching, but implementing in real time I have to think. This is great when I have the goods, but not so much when I don't. Had a player tell me specifically, you hesitated so I was going to call any bet. I just keep that one in my bank for him specifically....but did show me I could be possibly exploited too.
So basically you're creating a timing tell where you act faster with real hands? Then just deliberately slow down and tank a bit when value betting, cause if that guy can pick up on it, so can other people.
I’m gunna save this video to re watch when I’m further along in my poker journey I’m at 1/3 tables right now and I’m winning 8/10 sessions but I don’t ever come across people at my table wanting to fold top pair or Two pairs
Are you making it a big boi 2x pot overbet? Or are they calling a third pot river bet?
@@connorcrump3825 update, I played later that day and got a lil risky and actually a 2x pot over bet worked, I got someone to fold trip 8’s
Big fan of your videos! How quickly do you deviate from your strategy if caught, and your image changes? I believe you said in other videos that you often have a tight/nitty image, but say you run a 3barrel bluff on a dry Ace board deep and get looked up by a massive station with a lone Ace. Obv the adjustment for the station is to cut out bluffs and shift toward thin value, but given such a massive pot (400bb+) I imagine other players are paying attention and would notice your punty looking OB jam. Do you change your strategy toward other regs? Or assume they won't know the proper counter-adjustment because you have OBs in both bluff and value lines depending on scenario?
we either have a good image to value bet, or a good image to bluff. either way the money should be going in a ton.
i would default to assuming 99% of players are not paying enough attention to pick up on anything relevant.
@@hungryhorsepoker Thanks! Btw what will HHP2 look like? Will you all still be offering bootcamps?
That thumbnail is hilarious LOL
Great vid as always!
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Oh my god I've just read the title and I'm so fucking jacked
Of all of the Braves pitchers playing in the game, an opportunity was missed for John Rocker to be the villain.
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Dude. If I flopped a set on every fucking hand, poker would seem easy for me too.
Don’t you have to take your own image into account as well? Isn’t in better to try big bluffs like this if people think you’re a nit? Just cause someone can fold top pair to an average player (aka nit) doesn’t mean they will fold to you if they think you bluff too much. Doesn’t matter if you do or not but if they perceive you do they will call.
Stop running over me with over bets! I’m scawed
Eesh, dump the lift music!
wats ur fav gas station
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If you are going to try to fold out AJ on A high board, after opening from the button, good luck 😅
tell me u didn’t understand the video without telling me you didn’t understand the video
@@hungryhorsepoker i'd argue you can make profit making three streets of bluffs on A high boards in a live games. People LOVE to call with an Ace and worse they play, more likely they would snap you off on the river
I love your videos for good exploits, but here you ve made a mistake, just admit and move on. Or just forget it and move on 😛
maybe i didn't explain it well enough in this video, and in others, but i talk about it constantly.
1 of these 2 things *HAS* to be true
1) people are capable of folding top pair by the river for 200+bb
2) people are *NOT* capable of folding top pair by the river for 200+bb
if 1 is true - rewatch this video
if 2 is true - you should be going all in on every single river when you beat top pair, marginal kicker, which i would bet my entire net worth you are *NOT* doing this
hopefully you can see the logical inconsistency.
@@hungryhorsepoker I play a lot live games and I tell you that from my experience mostly people ARE NOT capable of folding top pair in bet-bet-shove scenario for 200bb. Thats why it is PROFITABLE to bet bet shove with AK or AQ and NOT profitable to bluff three streets trying to make them fold AJ on A high board
I would even suggest to put it as another exploit for A high boards - no need to bluff your shoes off, but really nice to get max value when you can beat top pair by the river
your content is so different from the rest of poker content ive watched. its very very good, keep it up and thanks for teaching so much!
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That 90's Braves pitching line up was so fierce, I'm not sure how I feel about you making them fish in your simulated poker game
I really enjoy your videos but I sometimes find myself wondering about a comparison. Every time you release a video, you gain some monetary value (ad revenue, selling coaching, etc.) but you lose EV on the marginal value of poker hands as people better understand your strategy.
I guess your own actions reveal how you see this - it's better to share the info than to profit from keeping it to yourself. It just seems like so many of these heuristics would be easily exploitable by anyone playing against you.
I think I’m not taking this line vs certain players and when I have a monster to get the money in. Once villain calls OB turn they should be calling every river blank (where we are supposed to be bluffing)
Waiting for your 20bb/hr sessions to vlog!!! Please!!!!
At 7:22, you said, your best bluffs are, where opponents call flop/turn and then over fold river. I don't think, that this is true. Phil Galfond has a video, where he explains that this strategy usually doesn't add up mathematically
I'm sure the content is great, but I have no clue how to follow along when you're using jargon every fourth word😂
Would be nice to see you use a different hand than 99 and a flop of J92 for every video
Besides that love the content
What if villain can't count? 😅
Hilarious everytime you say, 'raise off their strong shit and call with their weak shit' you move right to left🤣. Love your content, Thank you for all the advice.
Thank you very much for your content. I love all your videos and iam looking forward to the next one. Love from Germany
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My experience at 1/3 in general is that most villains will not fold middle to strong top pair on missed draw boards. Please be careful using this strats as Mark is a well known professional and likely better than most of us choosing when to apply these moves to certain villain types!
just like i talked about in vid - if theyre not folding top pair for 200bb, you should be going all in with tpgk every single time for 200bb!
Indeed we should! My point was to make sure we have a good datapoint when bluffing huge vs villain with air or whatever hands we get to river. Determine ahead if villain is a candidate for running these exploitative plays.
Loyal follower and fan since the beginning of your career by the way. Really hope someday I have the pleasure to meet and attend the HHP bootcamp. 🙏🙌❤️💯
@@cubanhack3r i hope so too, thank u for the kind words and hopefully the content is helping!
Is there an option within UA-cam to slow the video's speed, to maybe...half?
I don't want to say you speak too quickly. The videos are dynamic and fun and entertaining, but I struggle to say they're educational because my brain can't keep up after just a few lines of dialog.
It's pretty adorable that you bounce around in your seat while you're talking, though. I do like that.
yes u can adjust the speed to .5 or .25! i watch most videos on 1.5 or 1.75x (surprise surprise)
Dude, slow down! You don't have to talk so fast! Great info, but I have to constantly pause,back up, and go over again. I do love the enthusiasm, though!
try watching on 2x
Hey Marc! I’m a CLP subscriber and have been binging your videos on that site! Really love all the value you share and have been adding elements of what you teach to my game, as well as how you approach hand reading. Really good stuff man 👍👍
thank you for the kind words glad you’re enjoying the videos!
What is CLP?
@@benmarxxshow Crush Live Poker - Bart Hanson’s site.
HERES A TIP..EVEN THOU I UNDERSTAND U ..U MIGHT WANNA SLOW DOWN CUZ SOME NEWBIES MIGHT HAVE TOUGH TIME FOLLOWING U..
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Yeaaaah!! Overbets raaaain!!!
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love your vids bro but i’m so new to poker i don’t unds much 😂😂😂 but love it man
lmfao this comment section is great
it’s giving me a migraine
The example of A72 at 1:54 doesn't really take into account what is happening with the range comp. The ranges of both players only contain around 5% of 2 pair+, so building your strategy around a low frequency occurrence doesn't make sense. Around 70% (probably more at low stakes live where they call too wide pre) of the BB range is third pair or worse, so we should build our strategy around funneling them into lines where they have to play later streets with a wide range and be forced to overfold or over bluff. Sure, you should just be blasting against Drunk Larry when he has AT and we have 77 and he will never fold top pair, but the main strategy should be to bet small (like 25%) flop, checkback turn and liberally bluff catch or check back flop and bluff catch turns and rivers. We can also take advantage of the fact that when we check back a street and the other player doesn't probe, they will be super weak and we can just blast our bluffs in those spots. Betting tiny forces them to call flop with a wide range. Some players might not even fold a strong K high on this board to a $10 bet. You can test this in PIO by not allowing BB to raise and giving IP a tiny bet and overbet. It will end up range betting small for the most part, and carve out an overbet for the nutted hands, which is the way I would play it vs bad live players.
this isn’t horrible advice, but the piece you’re missing is how bad they play turns when we x back on these static boards.
we node locked 30+ full boards using mass data analysis and i can assure you overbet or x significantly outperforms small bet on these textures.
@@hungryhorsepoker yeah, flop xb with medium strength hands and some bluffs is fine. The same logic applies. We want to keep their range wide and allow them to bluff turn and river probes or double check so we can blast bluffs.
These AI thumbnails are next level lol
thanks i enjoy making them
Braves pitchers are notoriously nitty
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The gas station people are in shambles
hell ya
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3 to a a back door straight flush made me laugh
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FIRST! Finally
omg u did it
Awesome vids!! Thanks
Any ideas how to make it applicable to MTT 25-50bbs?
Why are you using a 50% cbet as example on polar flops esp in hu situations and not a 20% strat?
I love the Atlanta Braves pitchers all sitting at your table. Woulda preferred Steve Avery over Kevin Millwood but that's just my childhood nostalgia talking.
Great content as always but where is Denny Neagle?
Great video even if you dont understand median income
which of these OVERBET strategies will you try implementing in your game first?
I'm a little confused about the flop one when you say turning hands with a 7 into bluffs. Or is what you are saying that ''you can't get 3 streets of value from 2nd pair'' so it's better to get 2 streets of ''value'' by blowing them off the hand on the river specifically. And this makes more money and is easier than just trying to get paid and see a showdown with 2nd pair.
Would you say this approach should be mostly used on A high and dry boards, or could you give a couple more flops where you'd start turning 2nd pair into 3 street bluff.
@@johndoc6635 i'm saying if we can get top pair to fold by the river, turning bottom/middle pair into bluffs is usually good because we block the hands that would never fold (2p/sets) and if theyre capable of folding top pair, easy game. if your opponents are never folding top pair (if you're under 100bb) or you're against super sticky stationy players, just chop out the bluffs and go absolutely massive with top pair +.
Sorry but what? why wouldn't bb raise on A72 with 22,A7, AQ ( a2 is usually a xc to protect the calling range oop) and a bunch of draws and stuff with blockers like 34/45/67/89s/23 - blocker to bottom set and redraw etc. You're making a straw man argument and while this strategy might be good at nl25 max, it sucks any other stake. And everytime you do something like this you unbalance your other lines.
Also you can always overbet enough on the turn, no point in doing shit like this on the flop.
IF you have a very good read on the opponent, sure, deviate a lot, but otherwise good poker is good poker.
because this is based on what people actually do in live poker. not at 25nl, or in the fantasy land you reside.
Hey great video man congrats!!! Imagining that the pool you play dosnt fold KJ+ on the River how would your strategy be? Guess you would turn around the sizes with bluffs and value right? Overbet jam wity value and 2/3 to target the natural folds like miss draws and midle hands like PPs that went sticky on the Turn..
jam everytime we beat kj and bet very small (1/4 pot) to fold out missed draws with air. doesn’t have sticky pocket pairs that call turn when we overbet. hold the thread from street to street of what their range is - that’s literally the only thing that separates winners from losers at low stakes.
I get going huge with value on A72r. The average live player is going to be too inelastic, but why wouldn't you just 1/4 pot with your trash for the same reason? Why limit yourself to over bet or check?
because when we bet 1/4 pot and they call, we don’t have a profitable bluff across turns/rivers.
when we x back they give us way too much info about their hand by their turn action, and now bluffs start becoming very profitable across turns and rivers if they don’t bet large or xr turn.
love marc goone
So if I have this right, dry flops-overbet with your crazy good stuff cause you'll get called by stuff you'll beat and arent ever getting called by speculative hands anyway, also semifbluff with lower pairs because they just might not have top pair and fold their overs.
Wet turns- Overbet with strong value to get calls from hands you beat and either fold out or charge extra to draws, also overbet with bluffs as it gives you information- strong static hands call, draws will likely fold, and that information lets you impersonate a draw if it gets there on the river?
kind of, you have some of the pieces but there’s a lot missing. static vs dynamic is more important than wet v dry. and the turn changing or not changing the nuts is more important than a “wet” or “dry” turn. watch all the other vids on our channel when you get a chance we go into these concepts a ton.
Thanks Marc for helping me to learn along way. Which helps me to have more confidence and skills when I am at the table.
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Great video as always. I still don't get though, because it seems that most of the time you overbet, you have solid value against capped ranges. Doesn't that make you easy to play against if you're going to show up with value in those spots "most" of the time? Where do the bluffs come from to balance out so many overbets?
i am overbetting turn with every draw + airball with no SDV when turn is a blank and they xc the flop. seems like a lot of bluffs to me!
Thank you for sharing cool practical strategies!!!
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Thank you for the content very helpful insight. Should we still inplement this strategy against passive fish callers as well. They never seem to fold to anything in my experience
check out the video on how to exploit every player type, lots of stuff on how to counter passive trappy players
@@hungryhorsepoker thank you very helpful
As always great content and breakdown!
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Greetings from Belarus, I am a hot air balloon operator and love your videos
omg thank u🥰
@@hungryhorsepoker Remember you said that as commentary Belarus hot air balloon story on HCL lol?
@@MarcoK6969 now i do, i dont remember half the things i say when im talking
Of course our opponents don't know that on the river we overbbet bluffs and bet less with value, but if a good opponent sees some showdown and notices it, it will massively exploit us. For this reason I like using the same size (if I overbbet turn on the river is always overbet or check) with value and bluffs. What I change is frequency. With players that overfold I bluff more. This keep me "protected" against other good players.
After all, as a friend of mine that is a lot better than me says "against fishes you can do what you want" (once you have reached a certain level). The difference between a crusher and a winner is more in how he plays vs other "decent" players, not vs fishes.
Not sure if he is right, but he is winning more than me (we play of course in the same room/players).
i think you've misunderstood the concept, and this may be my fault for not explaining it well enough.
i am *NOT* overbetting with bluffs and betting small with value
i am overbetting bluffs when they have a weak river range
i am overbetting value when they have a strong river range
sometimes my bluffs are huge, sometimes they are small. sometimes my value is huge, sometimes it is small.
i am not attempting to play balanced in *ANY WAY* because that is lighting money on fire in live poker. no one is exploiting you. they don't know how to spell exploiting. this is not a super simple strategy to figure out, because we are not just taking one size with value/bluffs, it depends entirely on opponents range.
hopefully this helps.
@@hungryhorsepoker at what limits do people know how to pronounce?)
@@kenshin45736 10/20 live, or 200nl online
Thanks for the explanation. Now it's clearer.
asian male calls any time with K7 😂
Dude, Ive just lost like 2 grand implementing your strategy.... they ve called me on the turn and river twice!
Goddamet
Wrong hand selection for that line
They're supposed to call you on the turn.
Okay at this point it might be too much sauce. You should stop making videos and take the channel down before live poker becomes too difficult.
Great stuff as always!
if you’re ever worried about live poker becoming too difficult, just read half the comments 😂