Fact or Fiction and the Sega Saturn
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2019
- The first of a potentially huge series of videos about what's going on with the Sega Saturn hardware, games, and peripherals.
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Episode Notes:
1. I used a mix of SSF and Mednafen for most of the games here. This is the first video I have ever used emulation of the Sega Saturn. I did this exclusively for the content involved.
2. Music:
Opening Commentary - Magic Knight Rayearth - Tower
Transparencies - Astal Into Darkness - Akira's Theme
RAM Cartridges - Shining Force III Main Theme
Video CD Card - Gungriffon Track 3
Model 1 vs Model 2 - Panzer Dragoon - Flight
Saturn Emulation - Dragon Force - Relaxation
FRAM Mods - Sega Rally
Retro-bit Controllers - Virtua Cop - Arms Black Market
ST-V Titan - Shienryu - Stage 5
End Commentary - Sega Rally Track 1
3. I wish I had a way to capture screen grabs from the Saturn that haven't been upscaled. Running my systems through the Framemeister pretty much destroys the small differences I talk about here. Well, except the jail bars in most instances.
4. I own an original Sega ST-V Titan Arcade board with 8 games and 2 multi carts. It's such a great piece of arcade history.
5. I actually use my "Model 2" Saturn mentioned in this video for capturing because the jail bars are much less pronounced than my launch Japanese Sega Saturn using RGB.
6. Professor Abrasive's Patreon for the Satiator:
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7. Mednafen has a front end called MedSat that makes using it much easier for Saturn games.
8. Be weary about purchasing Video CD Cards. Some of them appear to be region locked.
9. I learned something in the making of this video. Seems that VDP1 had multiple function of transparencies, and actually did the shield I showed in Sonic R, not VDP2. I had always assumed it was a 2D overlay aided by VDP2. I double checked this in emulation by disabling VDP2 entirely, and the effect stayed. Definitely a product of VDP1. - Ігри
Check the description for some interesting notes about the episode.
What’s the name of the track used at the start of the vid whilst you were talking?
I typically put music info in the description. Check it out for more info.
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Subscribed today to your channel. I'm a Sega Fan for sure.
What was last game that come out for Saturn?
Sega should recognize this guy as a living Sega museum. He should get at least a shirt or something.
"I created a Sega museum and UA-cam channel, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"
SEGA is a near useless company. Anyone dedicating their time to covering anything dealing with this FAILURE company, deserves.. NOTHING😂🤣😆
@@NB-1 I'm very familiar with SEGA's former status and their rank and file. Anything relevant and noteworthy they ever accomplished, was a lifetime ago. I have no respect for them as a developer. They're useless and utterly incompetent. The Yakuza games are their only saving grace, otherwise they'd burn in the hell of mediocrity😂🤣😆
@@shinbakihanma2749 Shut the fuck up nerd, Nagoshi is still the best developer working today, sonic mania just came out in 2017, fuck off with the cringe and extreme hyperbole post. Coming in to shit on Sega Lord X just cause he likes Sega is some of the cringiest fuck boy shit ive ever seen
@@ImmaDoWhatIWant when did he ever shat on Sega Lord X? He was just saying that without Yakuza sega would be nothing.
Love this channel, I’m 41 now and lived the Saturn and Dreamcast days in my teens/early 20’s. Great times.
I was a Genesis-Saturn-Dreamcast kid. I was just a little guy though, born in 1990.
"I straight up told they were full of shit and moved on." BEST LINE EVER.
6:51 This footage of X-Men vs. Street Fighter is amazing! I had no idea the Saturn could do stuff like this. Technically this is the Saturn along with the 4 MB RAM expansion cart. Still, it's the Saturn hardware actually drawing these huge and detailed characters, and these effects that require redrawing the entire screen very quickly. Just seeing this footage, you'd guess it was a Dreamcast or PS2 port of the arcade game. It's amazing to think this is running on hardware released in late 1994 (for the original Saturn release).
Glad I found this channel. As a die hard Sega Saturn fan I can say loud and clear... SEGA4LIFE
The Saturn is a POWERHOUSE
Indeed!!! Saturn could even be considered 64bits.
N64 says hi
i’m somewhat of a big fan of the Saturn as well.
*Had this happen on a stream of mine once when playing Sega Saturn games* "The Saturn can't do transparencies!"
*Pop in Mega Man X4 first level, run 10 steps forward into the tunnel* So, what do you call this then?
"Uh......"
Ken Williams X4 is so much more fun on Saturn
Exactly, Saturn was an awesome system that could totally do transparencies with the best of them.
I love the Japanese grey Saturn,please Sega make a mini Saturn!
Please Analogue, make a Saturn FPGA
@Gene Bone fan translations as a basis. Pretty sure they wouldn't mind c;
I love my white Saturn with large, circular buttons.
0:14 I thought you were wearing a King Tut headdress! 😂 Seriously, love the channel, brother! ❤️
Yeah, I can see it. The chair does look like that.
Hee hee, I thought at first it was a pirate hat...
Is that a green screen effect?
The Saturn was a beast, only the developers where lazy. I love my Sega saturn collection. My favorite Sega console ever.
@@PhilBaxter that's what these narrow minded fanboys don't want to understand. You out it 100% why ps1 was lead platform...
@@PhilBaxter Or if Sega had at least produced good dev tools for the Saturn at the start. It might have mitigated the issue
Nah Sega shit the bed 94-95 and undone all there good work with the Mega Drive. Isn't there own fault. Love my Saturn but it wasn't the Devs fault it was bad business decisions between SOJ and SOA
@@dtester the tools were vastly improved by 1996ish. Saturn had a great 1996, then Bernie Stolar murdered it the next year.
@@Thor-Orion So true! Still it would have been nice if they were able to get good tools out by day one. Some devs had the chops and some didn't and really needed that.
this is very informative and fun. thank My Sega Lord.I also want Fact or Fiction and the Dreamcast.
Since im a younger retrogamer, ive had a hard time getting hardware so the strides being made in sega emulation are impressive and helpful. Great footage here also
I went on an import craze during the Saturn days. So I got to experience the 2nd and 3rd parts of Shining Force 3. X-men vs Street Fighter. All the Capcom collections. Several RPG's. The MPEG adapter. The 4mb ram cartridge.
I may be the only person on the planet who gets nostalgic about GunGriffon. I haven't heard that music in years.
Not only is SLX's voice and presentation getting better every video... he keeps putting distance between himself and the other YT "stars" with his intense knowledge, production values, notes, carefully edited and thought out segments, informative details on hardware, honest opinions, and willingness to take the gloves off when it's needed. I love several other retro gamers videos, but none compare to SLX to be honest; even the best of the others are, to be kind, pretty toothless, and higher on churning out a million videos per hour versus actually putting in the work like SLX. You rock, man!!!
He puts effort into his videos and still makes a lot of them.
What a cool concept for a video! Very fun to watch and definitely addresses things I've been long wondering about.
Excellent and very informative episode. Keep up the good work, mate!
Another great video, you're really killing it lately man!
Fascinating stuff, I have always been intrigued by the crazy complicated Saturn design.
I want to reiterate a request/suggestion that someone posted on your last video, asking for the name of the games to be on screen when you're showing them. However I'm grateful in this case as in trying to find out about the last game I've discovered the Power Instinct series, which seems to have miraculously passed me by, but is definitely something I'm gonna check out!
Cheers again Sega dude!
*it wasn't your last video, it was one from July last year!
The request still stands though, cheers 🥂
Oh, I also forgot to mention that this was a good vid bud, very interesting and informative. More videos like this would be cool if you have the right subjects to do them on, I'm sure you could probably do a similar thing for all the Sega hardware (and probably some software), as there are generally loads of ignorant comments about most subjects, even if they haven't been left on your vids or directed at you.
Cheers again again!
I try to most of the time. This video was actually problematic. I kept getting errors on the final cut in audio and graphics overlays. I didn't know where the issue was so I edited it down until it would render out correctly. I just went with what I had at that point.
@@SegaLordX, I probably only notice when there's a game that I really like the look of but have no idea what it is - this time it was Groove on Fight! Man I'm going to have to try those series of games out.
Cheers again again again!
@@SegaLordX, oh yeah, aren't video editing programs a pain in the arse when they, seemingly randomly, start playing up on things that usually work as expected!
I was skeptical on getting myself a Sega Saturn due to its failure in 94. But man i was so wrong. I felt in love with it, the games, hardware, everything
People in the 90s were blindfolded!
Yup, it's a fantastic system. Younreally need to get into Japanese imports though to get the most out of it.
@@Yukatoshi I burned a lot. I use Pseudo Saturn Kai
@@Ziimbiian I buy originals. I like having the real thing! :P
Great information, I always learn something from your videos, every time. Watched this after work, what a great Friday! I'm gonna play some Gen/Saturn/DC for this 3-day-weekend :)
I missed out on so much gaming stuff in the 90s. I probably played or owned less than 10 Genesis games, got a Saturn when the system was pretty much dead, and only played, maybe, six N64 games.
Very informative! Please make a part 2. I also enjoy the detailed tech explanations. Please keep doing it!
Another awesome video! Keep it up. I would be interested in a full episode about emulation.
Me too, especially with Saturn stuff becoming more and more expensive, and a Saturn Mini being but a distant dream.
Awesome vid, man! Legitimately one of the most in-depth breakdowns for the Saturn I've seen, yet. Guides and reviews of the Saturn are nice, but your went the extra mile!
Excellent, excellent video. The transparencies issue is very clearly explained. There is no channel on UA-cam that shows the Saturn the love and respect it deserves like your content do. Great stuff. I'd love to see more episodes on the same subject.
Great breakdown. Saturn emulation is great now. Ive been playing most of these games on emulation now. I played through around 60 more saturn games since I got the newer emulation focused PC in 2017. Prior to that , on my old machine, saturn wasnt even available. I only owned a few games when I got the system in the USA, long ago. It was basically dead by that point and I got it used. These videos are great as I still have alot to explore on the console.
TheConsole Killer Mednafen (Beetle Saturn) core is getting better and better. Compatibility is already at 9x%, and it's getting close to what Genesis Plus GX is for Genesis - the point of emulation being *better* than original hardware in everything.
@@shadowflash705 Nice. I mostly use Retroarch to emulate saturn now but I have a few other emulators on the machine just in case one doesnt work with certain games. That rarely occurs on saturn though, if ever. I like retroarch since its fast to configure controllers and save and load states. Its great to see emulation evolve though. That was the reason I ended up selling all my old consoles and switching over to emulation.
@@NB-1 Definately reccomend checking it out. I recently beat God Hand on Hard with no issues on PSXE emulator. Thats a real precise game, so I dont think youll have any issues if youre using the right emulator and settings. Between PS2 and Saturn Ive probably played through over 100 games since I got them emulated in 2017. I havent updated some of the emulators so they may be even further improved, but have not had issues with games that were compatible. Occasionally a game doesnt run on the PS2 emulator but its rare. Everything seems to work on the Saturn emulator Im using, Retroarch, but I do switch emulators anytime I have compatibility issues.
@@NB-1 No problem. I know how that can be. I go through alot of extreme modes and games and Ive done some lag tests by feel. When I upgraded from a plasma to an OLED tv I noticed a big difference on the OLED in terms of imperceptible latency. Only in game mode though. I tested this by beating Mike Tyson's Punchout legit for the first time on the TV and emulator. When switching off game mode accidentally one time, I got demolished. Metal Storm on expert mode is brutally precise and I tested that as well as games like Gun.Smoke for the arcade on MAME. Certain old games and shooters are great input lag tests. You may be more sensitive to it if you focus more on old twitch shooters though, so you may want to tweak some settings, as you said.
Another high quality video as usual! I’d definitely like to see more videos like this in the future. Good stuff!
Cheers from Brazil man! dude i came across your channel ´cos some days ago i finally bought my first SS, (that´s only because the console here costs a freaking lot of money), and i got to know a lot of good stuff about the system thanks to you.
TBH i i never ever played on a Saturn, even though i saw the machine release on a magazine in early 95, the Saturn was oficially released here the same year but the PSX and n64 dominated the market and i did the choice for the sony console.
i´m very anxious about the coming of my machine, i´m a little worried cos our mail sucks and the waiting is killing me but what is to wait some days more when you already waited for nearly 25 years? the Saturn was always a wish of mine and i´m certain it won´t disappoint me!
Thanks for adding the music titles! It was because of this, i learned the awesomeness of the Space Harrier theme. Youre doing great!!
I would stick with the Action Replay Plus cartridge for the Sega Saturn.
Sega Lord X you did another great video on your favorite Sega system covering everything except...the Saturn Netlink. This gets overlooked alot and was a great asset to video gaming. I had it when I owned the Saturn and this is what introduced me to the Internet as at that time I had no clue what the Internet was. Only a hand few of games supported it but I had great time playing others online and thought that Sega should of given the Netlink feature a serious push in their marketing department. I you have the Netlink or have experience with it in the past please do a video on it.
Great video - loved the format and the intro/outro.
Excellent Video SLX! The video was very informative and entertaining. I suggest you do a similar segment for the rest of the sega hardware library. (including arcade boards)
GREAT episode. Really like your in depth explanation of the Saturn hardware and how it works. Excellent video as always brother!!
Very fascinating info. I would like to see future videos like this. Thank you, as always, for such great content.
The Saturn has the cleanest RGB output of any other system. This didn't surprise me that much given how bright and vivid the Genesis RGB was. The SNES always looked good but it seemed Nintendo favored a softer look.
Best video of this kind that I have seen. I was tired of hearing all of the misinformation, while knowing better.
Keep it up!!
The presentation of this video reminds me of the technicalities explained by Next Generation magazine. Surprisingly, it heavily favored Saturn over other magazines.
So did its sister magazine, Game Players! Those were great mags.
@@Sega_Dreams They were both geared toward hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers tended to prefer the Saturn. Sad that the general public didn't.
Next Generation magazine was great. It was sort of the moment I realized I'm more interested in following the twists and turns of the gaming industry, the business and technology side, the personalities involved... than I am necessarily interested in actually playing the games. Although don't get me wrong games are p dope too!
I think what might be perceived as a pro-Saturn bias on the part of Next Generation, is partly just a reflection of the Saturn's improved stature in Japan relative to the US. Next Generation probably puts a lot more weight on big releases on the Saturn than does the average gamer in 1996 in America. Friends and I were mostly paying attention to games on the PSX. In a detail largely lost to history, the PlayStation was called the PSX in the mid to late 90's. Nobody called it the PS1 until after the PS2 was released. Geez, listen to me... "Back in my day..."
great stuff really enjoy your epsiodes!
Always with the great content. I love learning more about this system. It’s very special little gem
Great vid! Thanks for the education pn this. I'm excited for trying out the emulation now.
Hope you do more vids like this. This was really REALLY informative!
Worth noting that the complex Saturn hardware had to do with its development. The first design of the Saturn in development had only one SH-1 cpu and one VDP. When the big Sega boss got wind of the specs of the Sony PlayStation (and it's focus on 3D gaming), he was furious at his Sega design team. The team was given less than a year to beef up the horsepower of the system for primarily 3D games. This meant they demoted the SH-1 processor to just a CD-ROM controller chip. They bolted on two SH-2 processors, but they weren't able to access the memory/bus at the same time. They also added in VDP2 (background graphics) and some more RAM for it. It was thought that the two SH-2 chips would be powerful enough for calculating coordinates in 3 dimensions. It was hard to impliment because programmers had to really use the 2kb of CPU cache effectively. The originally designed Saturn was a 2D powerhouse for sure... probably twice as much (or more) than Neo-Geo for 2D workloads. But Sega got blindsided by Sony's emphasis on 3D games. They realized they designed an awesome console for the 2D gaming era, but had to upgrade it hastily for better 3D. Also, because of the rushed nature of the early/surprise console launch, the software/drivers/libraries were under-baked... making for a ho-hum launch. IMHO, if the Saturn could play all MegaDrive/Genesis games (SegaCD would have been nice too), and was $299 (like Sony PS), and packaged in Panzer Dragoon, Sega would have done a LOT better against Sony. Also, bringing over many awesome Japanese Saturn titles would have helped too. Finally, not having an AWESOME 3D Sonic game hurt them too... not to mention the mistrust they earn with the whole 32X crap. Ok, I'm done.
Gene Bone maybe so, but in terms of the video game market (business wise) Sony stomped on Sega with the PS, and effectively ended the life of the Dreamcast with the PS2. I like Sega better, but that’s the hard reality of what happened in the marketplace at that time. I love Saturn and Dreamcast both BTW.
I was grateful for getting the RAM cart, so I can play the imports. Also been enjoying your channel and gave it a sub
Man I LOVE your intro bro! Arguably one of the top 5 in all of UA-cam. No doubt 👊🏿
Thanks for the clarification on transparencies! I knew the Saturn could do it, but was unaware of the VDP1 vs. VDP2 differences in that regard. Also, I was unaware of the FRAM mods/upgrades. I'll have to look into that. I'm definitely looking forward to Professor Abrasive's VCD slot solution.
I've been working on creating an incredibly in depth gaming channel that includes hard to get interviews, gameplay footage, commentary, history, etc... all in an interesting and fun format but every time I watch your videos I just think, "Damn... how can I top this? This guy has literally done the things I want to do but to a level I'm not sure I can beat". Anyway, just commenting to say that I'm a long time listener/first time caller and I think your work is outstanding and inspirational. I really admire your passion and hope to someday match your talent and passion in this area.
I really like your Saturn videos man. I think you're one of the only people out there that genuinely loves the Saturn more than I do. I have two Saturns and one is modded. I have a pretty decent game collection too, but man you have a really nice Saturn collection. I dig all the different models you have.
Great Video! I bought a Sega Satunr back in the day for Xmen vs street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter. I still have the 4 meg ram cartridge and play the heck out of both of them. My Saturn controllers are starting to wear, so thanks for the segment on the controllers.
Great video on a great console. 4K emulation - mind blown. Always good to hear someone big up an often put upon system,
That is a dope chair, thanks again for coming back!
Great vid. I found the emulator info particularly helpful!
I thought so too! I might finally play some of those hard to afford games! And I can finally replace my stolen Panzer Dragoon Saga :O
@@ShinobiWan1 Stolen PDS? Aww man, my heart breaks for you. :(
You have a soothing voice, like aloe vera being applied onto skin on a hot day. Some UA-cam presenters voices can be whiney or nasaly or just plain right anno3, but your presentation is always top notch man, great work
James Roa
When I first started watching his videos (ones where he just did voice over) I thought whoever ran the channel had hired him just to narrate.
Wtf. Aloe vera on skin on a hot day... Just wtf.
Most UA-cam gaming channels are too obnoxious and act like their target audience is 8 year olds with ADHD and a cocaine and sugar addiction.
Great stuff, all the best from one of your fans from Scotland
Great video. Informative, especially on the motherboards.
love your videos man, please keep the hard work.
Loved this episode! I thought I already knew a lot about the Saturn but after watching this I realized I was greatly mistaken. Keep up the great work! I am glad I subscribed.
The Saturn is a deep well of secrets of mysteries. I learn new things often, myself.
I was playing Saturn games on a Core 2 Duo based laptop back in 2011 using SSF. While there were sometimes minor issues with sound or graphics, most games I played were still completely playable and came very close to original hardware. Anyone who thinks Saturn emulation is still what it was in the mid-late 00s hasn't been paying attention.
Love your vids bro!!! Keep up the great work!!
Damn, it’s good to finally see your face. I love your videos. We’re at about the same station in life…it’s good to see a guy like me on here.
Incidentally, where do you source your music? I love the soundtrack, especially your credits music.
The Sega Saturn is perhaps my favorite underdog console with a lot of hidden gems as well as dream from fighting and racing games.
My Macbook Pro from mid-2009 has OpenEmu runs most Saturn games like a champ. I can only imagine what it'll be like once I get a new laptop and/or tower.
vidlink ur playing on a mac?
Good luck getting full speed on that system
Very informative and complete video thanks Sega Lord X
fascinating console. I finished the space under my TV set..but I am thinking of getting a Saturn to keep company to the Dreamcast, its such a gorgeous machine.
I really love your content man. I never owned a Saturn, was a PSX guy back in the day as we could only afford one in the house. I like a lot of the games and always wanted clock works knights. Keep up the excellent work man.
Since you mention it, that's a great future video topic: the Titan library and it's Saturn counterparts; comparison & gameplay!
That'd be a heck of an undertaking. The Saturn received many games from the ST-V. I could do the more popular ones, though.
I enjoy all your videos brother. Only regret is not discovering your channel earlier!
You do remind me of a young Master Gabriel from SF3 though. Maybe an idea for a future episode ha ha.
The best way to save your games is the floppy disk, high capacity and never lose your saves, but it is pretty expensive nowadays.
The next solution is pseudo saturn, a cartridge that saves into a sd card and even directly during the game, the bad thing is the loading time for saving or loading the backup ( sometimes more than 30 seconds)
amazing video! I really enjoy when people talk about the Saturn, I love the system.
btw, I am finally finishing my video review of panzer dragoon saga! can’t wait to share w/ you.
Love your channel man!
i havent owned a saturn since the turn of the millennium, but this channel has me looking for one to re-acquire and mod now. thanks for spreading the sega love.
Great Episode!
Yes more content like this
When I was a middle school kid I was saving my paper route money for a new system. I was considering Sega Saturn, PlayStation, or N64. I decided as soon as I got enough money it was going to be a Saturn. I would play Virtua Cop on a Saturn console at Blockbuster and I was blown away by how fun it was.
Before I saved up the money, I was surprised by my dad with a PlayStation for my birthday. I was pumped about getting it. I played Crash Bandicoot and got super into it.
Months later I finally saved up the money and thought I’ll buy a Saturn and set it up in my sisters room. I was never a video game connoisseur. I was pretty ignorant to the ins and outs. When I went to the Electronics Boutique at my local mall with cash in hand, I said I’ll take a Sega Saturn. They said are you sure you want to do that? They explained a lot of their Saturn buyers came back unhappy. This was the same Electronics Boutique staff who told me Genesis was superior to Super Nintendo in every way so I was shocked at the time. I bought the N64 which ended up being my favorite system of all time. By far. The whole thing is still crazy to me. My initial impression of Saturn was so high I never thought it could fall so hard. It reminds me a lot of WCW. I never thought that wrestling company could collapse.
Love it. Keep it up dude!
Great video! I enjoyed it. Long time Sega and Saturn fan here. 👍
crazy how the dreamcast emulation was out years before the saturn
The Dreamcast sh4 specs were released as open source so it's emulation didn't need almost reverse engineering, just sticking to the open standard, and the Power VR chip was stock, not customised, so their ABI were known and could be emulated just as easy. Not without caveats, as with any emulation but good enough.
Saturn hardware on the other hand was closed, and required every bit of reverse engineering, even 16 bit console emulation isn't perfect currently, yet, there we are
Awesome video as always!!!!
Awesome video. Thank you!
What a great video, thanks very much!
Thank you for putting your tracklist in the description.
Very interesting video, keep the good work lord X !
I love Sega (Genesis/Saturn/Dreamcast repruhzent) and I've watched several of your videos. But I wasn't ready to subscribe, until I saw that you had a beard. Thanks!
Great videos man :)
Exellent content and research, you are truly a SEGA lord! : )
A note about emulation: RetroArch is generally the standard these days as far as frontends go, allowing unified settings and input/hotkey mapping, an assortment of fantastic shaders and overlays, and a ton of community support. Mednafen has been ported to RA as the Beetle Saturn core. It may not have the best launcher UI compared to something like Launchbox or Hyperspin, but those work great with RA as well to get all the benefits of both.
Quality video as always!
Top-notch work!
Wow. Super interesting and informative! Especially for someone like me who never had a Saturn or any Sega consoles during their original life cycles.
Great episode!
I am only a casual Sega fan but I have enjoyed all your recent videos. I think the quality has improved in the last 6 months
Great video series
As a fellow Sega guy, I love your channel. Keep it up!
Great content as usual! I was wondering if you did test the retro bit wireless controller and if it was any good? On amazon, the feedback of many costumers says it didn’t last long and ended up not working after 2 month. Would you say the same?
I think this video is my favorite ao far. Or at least in the top 3. So many good informations
Love the science. Great episode!
SEGA even sent out a vhs promotional video to current Sega owners for the Saturn. I still have it.
Lots of great information. Thanks for the video.
I like it! Keep em coming. 👍
I love this channel. It deserves more views.
Wow. You really know your stuff man. Great video!!
Always look forward to yur vids 👍🏻