I love the transition from thinking Strife is crazy for not auto-including corruptors, to the corruptor being the best candidate for the chopping block when Emperor needs adding.
Nagassh Well in a grinder deck concept, you're trying to outvalue your opponent with each drop. Corrupter is a tempo play with little value as a 5/4 body.
I'm really starting to appreciate what a genius Trump is seeing his sense of humor when things aren't working out for him. He actually has to work very hard to stay at the top of the game. I love how we're seeing more of his personality now. :3
SBroproductions lol the best part is the irony in that strifecros dragon grinder is the actually good deck and usually anything trump designs deck- wise turns out terrible, including this one
I think maybe an hybrid dragon-freeze mage wouldbe playable. Actually, just a dragon deck with alexstrasza, antonidas, thaurissan and ice lances. And the classic fireball/frost bolt. Then maybe one doomsayer + one or two frost nova/blizzard. And just if you resist in the early game(with doomsayer to help), you have anough thing to kill big minions (ice lance, doomsayer frost combo) Ad the lategame with chrommaggus (good to duplicate blast), and alexstrasza and antonidas. Midgame with classic things, like sludge belcher, azure drake and twilight drake. Early game with doomsayer and blackwing technician. With 2 arcane intellect (for draw, for thaurissan/chrommagus combo, to get the blast to finish your opponent). And last mad scientist, with counter spell, mirror entity or an ice block. It's a little bit more freeze, but it will be a control dragon deck with a lot more than a heavy minion dragon deck, it will have the board clean doomsayer+frost nova/blizzard, the blast to finish your opponent, and high tempo/good minions (like your deck actually has). That jow I see a dragon deck, a little bit more freezy than your version. And it will be more complicated, more interesting to play/watch :)
dragon decks are viable with almost every class because the synergy they have on each other is good enough (although a bit weak in current meta). for the same reason, murlocs would've worked with every single classes as well. but the difference between murlocs and dragons is murlocs are all low cost cards therefore making them only good with classes having strong card-draws.
Stanley Li Difference also is that with very few exceptions, once dragons are played they do their effect if they have one and then just sit there with no further abilites. Murlocs on table may have abilities to grow when you play more murocs. New murlocs may boost all already played murlocs etc. Dragons... severly lack anything like that. Huh , dragon in hand, here your 2/4 no ability card became 3/5 no ability card. When you compare it to cards like Knife jugler, Voidcaller or hobogoblin, all these cards are threats to oponent simply by being on board. But 3/5? That is just body. Respectable body... but still just Sludge without taunt and slime.
Bryan Krager Midrange hunter and certain handlock variants are pretty solid options. I also think dragon buff priest works about as well as any other priest deck in the current meta.
Bryan Krager Dragon Priest just sounds really good in theory. I'm a few cards off of what I was hoping to use in my build though, so I cannot currently test it.
Love this, made a deck like this but with sorc appren & flame cannons instead of belchers & syv/bgh. Works ridiculously well. The duplicates on healbots and chrommagus value factory lets you fatigue any deck.
Dragon breath could be changed (buffed) to be "dragon-related", like if you are holding a dragon or you have a dragon on the board, it deals damage to all enemy minions.
Trump. Doomsayers and volcanic drake can be awesome with this deck. I'm running one on my dragon priest for the possible turn 3 volcanic drake on those 2 enemy minion on board turn 2s. With freezing capabilities it could be huge!
I'm new to the hearthstone scene, I was just wondering how you get the list of your deck to the right. I was curious if it was in game and live or edited in. If anyone knows and has an answer it would mean a lot thx :)
To the right? That's always when you go to your collectin. On the left he has a screenshot of his deck while playing, and later Jens (the editor) makes the cards disappear using editing.
Wizzam101 the thing is that druid already has cards available to it that are just as good, and often better than what dragons have to offer. dragon druid does work, and work better than dragons in other classes, but it's still usually worse than just regular ramp druid. (speaking from personal experience playing with and against both variants)
Edzter All of the tribal synergy comes from holding the cards so far, it could hypothetically have a (weak) place in a tempo-y dragon priest to fuel twilight whelps but you're generally not going to be holding onto a 2-drop long enough for it to activate anything. So you basically just have to evaluate it as a shrouded 3/2, suddenly it becomes difficult to justify the card slot over other options. This is especially true since most dragon decks tend to be slower so an evasive early beater isn't high on the list of priorities. It isn't a bad card, it just doesn't happen to work very well in the kind of decks that would want to run dragons-matter cards.
Yeah, it almost looks like a deck. In fact, it's pretty much exactly like a deck that I've been running for some time now, without any dragons (aside Azure Drakes). I'm not going to be adding any either, after seeing this. :P
Has Trump ever mentioned why he never puts the golden version of cards in his decks? I've always wondered since I'm sure lots of people including myself as soon as I get a golden, it goes straight into a deck.
Aww this looked like a fun deck, I miss trump grinding out his opponents with lots of little plays. A nice change from the rush decks and the boring "strong" decks out there.
Trump, the mechanics of that deck are sound you just need to tweak it a bit maybe add Flamewakers and some Direct Damage, Flamewakers trigger off any "spell" including your secrets.
I feel like unstable portals and mirror entities don't belong to this deck. Imo, zombie chow and ice block\barrier would be much more appropriate. Chow can hold off early aggression, and a secret could buy a turn for a clutch healbot and\or belcher.
Funny that he doesn't have Malygos for the dragon mage. But then again, the only way to play Malygos on a cost-effective curve is through Thaurissan discounts.
I don't think there's enough meaningful synergy for Dragon decks to really work. I mean, you have a 3-drop that gains +1/+1, five drop that deals 3 damage and REND BLACKHAND! Paladin has the only meaningful synergy card in Dragon Consort; actually being able to accelerate out a big, powerful legendary dragon. Shame that wasn't a neutral. I was definitely hoping for more shenanigans involving those big late game cards with dragon synergy but it seems their only purpose in a dragon deck is to work as an enabler for these lower cost cards. A shame and a missed opportunity by the dev team really.
Also I think of the dragon decks, you should stick to paladin. I believe the Dragon Paladin deck you had put together before could use some revision. (However it still suffers against fast pace decks like face hunter or zoolock)
despite cringing at trump's deckbuilding (abominable, as always), I think that this fault is very much eclipsed by his skill in playing. cool video, dragon mage is sufficiently different from the rest of the meta to satisfy
***** this is like telling a customer to be a chef before judging the food of a restaurant: illogical and irrational. You aren't required to be a 5-star chef to judge a shitty meal; you don't need to be a legend to find a person mediocre in hearthstone.
derp. Sure you can judge, but please take in account that your opinion isnt worth shit unless you're good in what you are judging. Its like calling a meal shittty because you don't like it...
Feel like he gives up on the concept too quickly. Personally think Ysera was not a needed card. Would have gone with a second flame strike myself, though I get why he felt it was not necessary. Would like to see some more science.
He made some strange choices, and he minion plays are unclean. With certain minion attributes. his Nvidia audio settings are hall or stage (large), interesting audio effects. Meh. Don't know, but it seems that he having fun with the settings, which I am not sure if that enhances the audio quality for the youtube observer. He could tighten it up, and crisp the sound quality.. imo. the echo comes across tinny
People don't realise this but Rend Blackhand is actually the best card in Hearthstone, not in terms of viability but rather as a social commentary on the notion of "Pay to Win". Think about it, people say Legendaries are overpowered and let people win the game more often than those that don't have them. What does Blizzard do? They make a legendary so terrible with an effect so dependent on other circumstances that it will always stand out as a legendary is so extraordinarily shitty then it will always be the "go-to" example for people to say "Aha! See!? Legendaries don't equal free wins" Yet brilliantly at the same time they remove the RNG element usually associated with getting legendary cards, hiding it instead behind a very clear pay or play wall as if to say 'See? Anyone can get these "fantastic" legendaries if they only play for long enough! This game is not pay to win" In one fell swoop they are attempting to destroy the notion that legendaries are better than ordinary cards and that they require inordinate amounts of luck and money, and they're doing it with this shitty shitty card.
I like how Garrosh, the most stone headed idiot in the Warcraft universe, has his entire play style essentially boil down to hiding until he can use Alexstraza. He barely even plays the game until turn 9.
13:45 "ok, it's pretty good, it's ok, it's not actually good. it's pretty bad, it's not the worst"
Trump 2015
Bruno Quevedo My work is paramount, leave me alone!
Bruno Quevedo He's not even thinking before judging... We lost our Trump :/
Maxime Lajous No, he's just salty from before
***** You still get the slime from Sludge Belcher if it dies to Brawl.
I love the transition from thinking Strife is crazy for not auto-including corruptors, to the corruptor being the best candidate for the chopping block when Emperor needs adding.
Nagassh Well in a grinder deck concept, you're trying to outvalue your opponent with each drop. Corrupter is a tempo play with little value as a 5/4 body.
Reggae Marley 3 dmg and 5/4 for 5 mana is still pretty good value though.
It's like Fire Elemental Lite
Reggae Marley can't grind them down if u can't board control. The 3 dmg isn't meant for the face after all
Not Visible Say that to the Warrior who won over Trump in the vid :P
orbing he didnt win the long game though
I love how happy he gets when he puts that Echo of Medivh on top of the other card to make three 😁
I'm really starting to appreciate what a genius Trump is seeing his sense of humor when things aren't working out for him. He actually has to work very hard to stay at the top of the game. I love how we're seeing more of his personality now. :3
did anyone notice the gas on jaina 18:40 ( bug ) ???
ProSuper so the legends of farting girls are true after all?
ProSuper It's the sludge belcher's deathrattle.
Man, the amount of shots fired by Trump within the first minute of the video. Oof, my screen looks like freaking cheese with all these holes.
Stupid sexy Strifecro
SBroproductions I think you mean it's like inception with all these holes.
SBroproductions Trump was a bit salty...
SBroproductions Considering StrifeCro stole his number 1 legend spot 2 seasons back, it's somewhat understandable that he would be salty.
SBroproductions lol the best part is the irony in that strifecros dragon grinder is the actually good deck and usually anything trump designs deck- wise turns out terrible, including this one
I like to listen to Trump's voice while I study, which has a strange soothing effect. Sometimes I fall asleep by accident
"Stupid sexy Strifecro" hahahaha
Oh dear god that Flamestrike.
Twilight drake, my fierce enemy. Whenever i play it , it dies like nothing and when the enemy plays it theres just no way to get rid of it :D
Merlinose Earth Shock :)
L2I_ Andy who plays shaman nowadays
No one plays shaman man
shuvo rahman Which would mean there is an open spot for a epic shaman deck nobody suspects...
Wellenwolf too bad shaman sucks right now
This deck took about an hour to create on stream - not even kidding.
«Stupid sexy Strifecro» It's like I'm wearing nothing at all !
17:14 best topdeck, how to mage.
Jordan McGarty Damn mages! lol -_-
I think maybe an hybrid dragon-freeze mage wouldbe playable.
Actually, just a dragon deck with alexstrasza, antonidas, thaurissan and ice lances.
And the classic fireball/frost bolt.
Then maybe one doomsayer + one or two frost nova/blizzard.
And just if you resist in the early game(with doomsayer to help), you have anough thing to kill big minions (ice lance, doomsayer frost combo)
Ad the lategame with chrommaggus (good to duplicate blast), and alexstrasza and antonidas.
Midgame with classic things, like sludge belcher, azure drake and twilight drake.
Early game with doomsayer and blackwing technician.
With 2 arcane intellect (for draw, for thaurissan/chrommagus combo, to get the blast to finish your opponent).
And last mad scientist, with counter spell, mirror entity or an ice block.
It's a little bit more freeze, but it will be a control dragon deck with a lot more than a heavy minion dragon deck, it will have the board clean doomsayer+frost nova/blizzard, the blast to finish your opponent, and high tempo/good minions (like your deck actually has).
That jow I see a dragon deck, a little bit more freezy than your version.
And it will be more complicated, more interesting to play/watch :)
Wrote so much, but no one gives a fack
I'm french, I'm sorry if :
1. I don't undertand your message
2. I make mistakes in english
x)
Monkey Don't worry. :P Your deck idea is interesting. Dun lissen ta tha haterz.
Sounds interesting
The last Blackrock Wing wasn't even out when Strifecro made the grinder mage, thus couldn't use Corruptor FailFish
dragon decks are viable with almost every class because the synergy they have on each other is good enough (although a bit weak in current meta). for the same reason, murlocs would've worked with every single classes as well. but the difference between murlocs and dragons is murlocs are all low cost cards therefore making them only good with classes having strong card-draws.
Stanley Li Murloc not Merloc
Verumnos Grohiik oops
Stanley Li Difference also is that with very few exceptions, once dragons are played they do their effect if they have one and then just sit there with no further abilites. Murlocs on table may have abilities to grow when you play more murocs. New murlocs may boost all already played murlocs etc. Dragons... severly lack anything like that. Huh , dragon in hand, here your 2/4 no ability card became 3/5 no ability card.
When you compare it to cards like Knife jugler, Voidcaller or hobogoblin, all these cards are threats to oponent simply by being on board. But 3/5? That is just body. Respectable body... but still just Sludge without taunt and slime.
The other similarity is that both decks suck.
Now you made me wanna see someone play a murloc dragon hybrid deck
Dragon (m)Age? Oh, Trump, you so punny! XD
Ive been messing with dragon viability on my channel
and I think trump may have made the most viable dragon deck
i have seen so far
Bryan Krager Midrange hunter and certain handlock variants are pretty solid options. I also think dragon buff priest works about as well as any other priest deck in the current meta.
mac102938 you may be right, i havent seen any other dragon priest deck besides my own
Bryan Krager
Dragon Priest just sounds really good in theory. I'm a few cards off of what I was hoping to use in my build though, so I cannot currently test it.
mac102938 My deck was not very effective since the meta is so set in stone
Love this, made a deck like this but with sorc appren & flame cannons instead of belchers & syv/bgh. Works ridiculously well. The duplicates on healbots and chrommagus value factory lets you fatigue any deck.
Dragon breath could be changed (buffed) to be "dragon-related", like if you are holding a dragon or you have a dragon on the board, it deals damage to all enemy minions.
Cost 3 less if you have a dragon
shuvo rahman that'll be a little same as frost bolt and flame cannon. anyway, better than now.
I think this deck works with the defesive secrets and probably some freeze
It was worth the try. Was a fun deck, and I enjoyed watching.
what site does trump use to search his decks? he always finds heaps of different versions of them.
Trump. Doomsayers and volcanic drake can be awesome with this deck. I'm running one on my dragon priest for the possible turn 3 volcanic drake on those 2 enemy minion on board turn 2s. With freezing capabilities it could be huge!
What card back does that warrior has in game 1?
How does he get the deck to show on the side?
Do you Think duplicate Can be replaced with zombie Chow?
Im doing a f2p paladin on N.A, should I save to get cards like sludge belcher as they seem to be in all the paladin deck
That Flamestrike though...
Never even drew Rend Blackhand. R.I.P. Dragon 1.0, 2015 - 2015
Is it bad that I actual really like this deck? as in I was super hoping for a part two :(
What about a TGT version of this deck?
I'm new to the hearthstone scene, I was just wondering how you get the list of your deck to the right. I was curious if it was in game and live or edited in. If anyone knows and has an answer it would mean a lot thx :)
To the right? That's always when you go to your collectin. On the left he has a screenshot of his deck while playing, and later Jens (the editor) makes the cards disappear using editing.
Basicly its edited
ok thx yeah i meant left haha
Why do you put in the regulars instead of golden cards?
Trump gets a like purely for the StrifeCro heat and the duplicating Echo of Medivh gag.
Belcher + Duplicate combo = OP
What is a "Grinder Mage" deck??? It looks kinda like a control mage but i'm curious about why it's called grinder instead of control....
I think dragons would work well in a Druid ramp deck.
Wizzam101 the thing is that druid already has cards available to it that are just as good, and often better than what dragons have to offer. dragon druid does work, and work better than dragons in other classes, but it's still usually worse than just regular ramp druid.
(speaking from personal experience playing with and against both variants)
Wizzam101 they do actually. I think Amaz ran a variation with onyxia. Onyxia with savage roar is actually interesting
How does he keep track of his deck like that
26:00 Frostbolt keeper, trade in all minions on Sylvanas, belcher. Yeah?
Echo of Medivh, Duplicate, Arch-Mage,Sorcerers Apprentice, and Gang-up.
Fireballs forEVER
I have yet to receive my annoy-o-tron alarm clock for subscribing
twilight guardin is a neutral card and pretty op, why not play it?
what do you have against fairy dragon in a bloody dragon deck????
Mediocre card? Just for the dragon sinnergy, not good enough
Edzter All of the tribal synergy comes from holding the cards so far, it could hypothetically have a (weak) place in a tempo-y dragon priest to fuel twilight whelps but you're generally not going to be holding onto a 2-drop long enough for it to activate anything. So you basically just have to evaluate it as a shrouded 3/2, suddenly it becomes difficult to justify the card slot over other options. This is especially true since most dragon decks tend to be slower so an evasive early beater isn't high on the list of priorities.
It isn't a bad card, it just doesn't happen to work very well in the kind of decks that would want to run dragons-matter cards.
5:43 straight to gameplay
Skipperino trumperino*
imKriwz lol was thinking of saying that but didnt think it was the right place ;D
I love my dragon decks, I don't even care if they suck, it's just interesting to try to get it to work.
Yeah, it almost looks like a deck. In fact, it's pretty much exactly like a deck that I've been running for some time now, without any dragons (aside Azure Drakes). I'm not going to be adding any either, after seeing this. :P
Replacement for salvannas plz??
Try using echo of medivh and volcanic drake. It's an awesome combo
These kind of vids are why i watch trump
1:07 "Stupid sexy Strifecro."
Put your pants back on Trump.
replace the unstable portals for a blackwing and a chow to survive early, you could also replace chromagus/ysera into a more anti-agro heavy drop
Has Trump ever mentioned why he never puts the golden version of cards in his decks? I've always wondered since I'm sure lots of people including myself as soon as I get a golden, it goes straight into a deck.
How come you don't use golden cards?
did they tell trump during stream that strifecro played grinder mage with dragons b4 last wing came out, so he was looking at an old list
How long has he been toying with me?
Anyone else notice the Dragon Age in the title? Sneaky sneaky Trump
Dusky The Husky No. None of us did. You were the only one. You must have some pretty sick observational skills
Aww this looked like a fun deck, I miss trump grinding out his opponents with lots of little plays.
A nice change from the rush decks and the boring "strong" decks out there.
"How long has he been toying with me?!" -Trump
Trump, the mechanics of that deck are sound you just need to tweak it a bit maybe add Flamewakers and some Direct Damage, Flamewakers trigger off any "spell" including your secrets.
No shit, Sherlock
This is such a weird mix of tempo mage and grinder/dragon mage.
Dragon mage! Ooooo, now that's something
How do you have so much dust o.o and probably gold???/
I feel like unstable portals and mirror entities don't belong to this deck.
Imo, zombie chow and ice block\barrier would be much more appropriate. Chow can hold off early aggression, and a secret could buy a turn for a clutch healbot and\or belcher.
Funny that he doesn't have Malygos for the dragon mage. But then again, the only way to play Malygos on a cost-effective curve is through Thaurissan discounts.
I don't think there's enough meaningful synergy for Dragon decks to really work. I mean, you have a 3-drop that gains +1/+1, five drop that deals 3 damage and REND BLACKHAND! Paladin has the only meaningful synergy card in Dragon Consort; actually being able to accelerate out a big, powerful legendary dragon. Shame that wasn't a neutral. I was definitely hoping for more shenanigans involving those big late game cards with dragon synergy but it seems their only purpose in a dragon deck is to work as an enabler for these lower cost cards. A shame and a missed opportunity by the dev team really.
Why trump no use golden cards?
26:37 Dr. Balanced strikes again.
I think rend should be replaced with another poly; same effect less mana. Plus way more reliable
"How long has he/(she) been toying with me!?!"
Said every nerd that has been in a relationship.
Malygos?! Nefarian?! They seem great in this deck.
Awesome deck
You should put fel reaver in that deck
Also I think of the dragon decks, you should stick to paladin. I believe the Dragon Paladin deck you had put together before could use some revision. (However it still suffers against fast pace decks like face hunter or zoolock)
Maiden of lake, Cold Dara Drake, and Fallen Hero
this is before tgt.. this was after black rock mountain was released .. so maybe 2 weeks after the final wing or something
wouldn't hungry dragon be good for a mage since they have good chance of tagging that extra enemy mob with fireblast
watching you and strifecro lose makes me so happy , go KRIPP
Dragon deck retiring party coming soon. Once the hype is over with.
This is basically Strifecro's deck. Except it runs Portal instead of Sheep.
what is he playing around with the minion positioning?
Warrior doesn't have betrayal and he has no wolves
Unstable portal argus?
It's just a habit
Just good habits to build
NujumKey (Kingdom Gaming) Nefarian into Cone of Cold?
Dragon decks just don't work though xD
Didn't people used to say that about mech decks?
Bruce Redfern Nope.
Novron I remember there being some GvG kerfuffle. Maybe it was sharpsword oil being useless or something
Novron Yes I remember when GvG came out several people telling me mechs deck were bad. Then BAM mechmage was everywhere.
Dragon's don't have much support as of yet. Hope they go somewhere though
17:07, flamestrike or bust.
lol
"How long has he been toying with me?" xD
Why he doesn't use his golden cards
Up4lIFe he want's symmetry (he only uses gold cards if he has all)
Niroc bosswaldo what a maniac lol
lol ok wtf
a taunt giver would be cool with that deck.
Love the video title
Belcher saves the game!
despite cringing at trump's deckbuilding (abominable, as always), I think that this fault is very much eclipsed by his skill in playing. cool video, dragon mage is sufficiently different from the rest of the meta to satisfy
I'm your biggest fan!
'warriors can't deel damage through taunt' o past Tump if you only knew :P
Then suddenly.. Stealth DragonRider Deck appeared.. (Rogue)
I wish pirate gang up decks were in the meta...
Trump always struck me as the kind of guy to like Grindr
trump logic: "why not use the coin? because it saves the coin, and the coin is important. besides, I don't need that coin to win." *facepalm*
***** yeah, but he does over value the coin, and he's done this exact same thing using the exact same logic multiple times while being serious.
***** He doesnt need to get to top 100 to judge trump
***** this is like telling a customer to be a chef before judging the food of a restaurant: illogical and irrational.
You aren't required to be a 5-star chef to judge a shitty meal; you don't need to be a legend to find a person mediocre in hearthstone.
derp. Sure you can judge, but please take in account that your opinion isnt worth shit unless you're good in what you are judging. Its like calling a meal shittty because you don't like it...
Trump starts talking without knowing how he will end the sentence. ^^
Has golden cards, but uses normal cards
-goodguyTrump-
Feel like he gives up on the concept too quickly. Personally think Ysera was not a needed card. Would have gone with a second flame strike myself, though I get why he felt it was not necessary. Would like to see some more science.
He made some strange choices, and he minion plays are unclean. With certain minion attributes. his Nvidia audio settings are hall or stage (large), interesting audio effects. Meh. Don't know, but it seems that he having fun with the settings, which I am not sure if that enhances the audio quality for the youtube observer. He could tighten it up, and crisp the sound quality.. imo. the echo comes across tinny
the Beltcher Army :D
couldve just traded the mirror entity for another healbot, maybe one less unstable portal for another polymorph
People don't realise this but Rend Blackhand is actually the best card in Hearthstone, not in terms of viability but rather as a social commentary on the notion of "Pay to Win".
Think about it, people say Legendaries are overpowered and let people win the game more often than those that don't have them. What does Blizzard do? They make a legendary so terrible with an effect so dependent on other circumstances that it will always stand out as a legendary is so extraordinarily shitty then it will always be the "go-to" example for people to say "Aha! See!? Legendaries don't equal free wins"
Yet brilliantly at the same time they remove the RNG element usually associated with getting legendary cards, hiding it instead behind a very clear pay or play wall as if to say 'See? Anyone can get these "fantastic" legendaries if they only play for long enough! This game is not pay to win"
In one fell swoop they are attempting to destroy the notion that legendaries are better than ordinary cards and that they require inordinate amounts of luck and money, and they're doing it with this shitty shitty card.
I like how Garrosh, the most stone headed idiot in the Warcraft universe, has his entire play style essentially boil down to hiding until he can use Alexstraza. He barely even plays the game until turn 9.