There was also some of the original location footage found of the War Games quite recently so it’s kind of a good thing that the collection was delayed.
That's probably what some of the sci-fi media sites are referring to, even though they're claiming we see Teoughton turn into Pertwee (which is a newly made scene and never existed, never recorded at the time.)
Completely agree about wheel in space, i thought we would have got it years ago. Ive wanted it so bad along with the dalek master plan which im sure if it gets done will be the last one due to the size of it. And have wanted a troughton set for so long. It will be a glorious treasure trove of goodies im sure when we finally get one.
As I said: I am quite confident that Season 11 will be the next Pertwee release rather than 7. And The War Games doesn't directly lead into Spearhead. In fact, there is no regeneration on screen, and there is a soft reset, almost as big as between the movie and Rose: New doctor, new companion, new premise (stuck on Earth) and transition to colour.
@@Nikioko I’m pretty sure it’s season 7. Still work to do on Dino’s and probably giving the family time to grieve before doing a tribute video for Richard Franklin.
Seasons 3 and 4 will definitely be the last ones to be released. Just because they have the highest amount of fragmented or completely missing serials. In Season 1, only Marco Polo is missing. In Season 5, only The Wheel in Space is missing. And in Season 6, only The Space Pirates is missing. So, these will come earlier for sure.
4 I wouldn’t be sure because it’s going to be mostly animations it will need less restoration work for the surviving episodes and will therfore be “easy “ to do
I expect that Wheel in Space's marketability is exactly why they're keeping it in their back pocket. That way the range can survive riskier or less marketable animations underperforming - break glass in case of emergency. They did much the same with Terror of the Zygons on dvd, did they not?
When bbc America removed its funding they should have used it as the big gun to relaunch the animations not underwater menace toy maker tied into the 60 th they can’t afford to be picky now
@@dylangoodfellow4778Underwater Menace deserved to get a version at last that you could watch in its entirety at last. The Moonbase style animation just to plug the gaps would have been massively preferable, but that ship has sailed. The test animation for The Wheel in Space was as good as these things get now. Far better than the likes of Galaxy Four. It’s such a shame that Wheel wasn’t a complete project.
If it’s all gonna go that way, guess it means they really will just leave the remainder of the black and white seasons to last. I was hoping since there was roughly half and half colour to black and white sets left that they’d alternate them slightly. Wonder what leaving all the black and white sets will do for sales too 🤔
I read that there was missing footage of the regeneration into Pertwee which is interesting because I also read that Pertwee was cased after the War Games was filmed. I think it might be re-edited with nuWho regeneration effects. As for animations, if the Smugglers is next, then please let them take their time to do it right! lol
When considering this, i think it's important to remember that the tenth planet animation got released on a box set before it got a standalone release, so that might happen again with the colourised war games...? 🙏
@@farfromallover I’m firm believer of having alternative versions of stories to watch. Just watched the new omnibus cut of silver nemesis on the season 25 boxset and enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Now we know why Season 6 has been held back and I agree it’s not likely to come out until late 2026 now. Was hoping the delay was due to Space Pirates episodes either being found or animated but this is a good second prize. I think the next few Collection releases will be S7 then S21 for 2025 followed by S13 (50th Anniversary) and finally S6.
I don’t think we will get another Heartnell or a Troughton Blu ray set, until all other doctors sets are finished. It will give them more time to restore, animate, figure out special features, etc. Plus Troughton is the best, gotta save the best for last!
One thing that will be pretty cool if it happens this way is if we get War Games in colour then the next "Collection" set is season 7. So even tho it's a 90 minute edit we have a nice run of War Games to The Green Death in season 10.
I am worried about the cut-down length, especially because I agree with you that the pacing is pretty great. I worry that they chose to do a long story rather than a regular 4 parter (which would've been a lot easier) BECAUSE they intentionally wanted to take a long story and cut it down... a 'Tenth Planet in Colour' or a 'War Machines in Colour' would be something I'd be a hell of a lot more excited for... but maybe that's just my conspiracy brain. I do also understand the view- you do the start and the end of the black and white era first and then nibble away at everything inbetween, but you have to remember that for this era of Dr Who I am particularly protective of it.
There's an interview with Terrance Dicks talking about this season and these shows. Originally, there was a 6-part episode that was supposed to go between The Space Pirates and The War Games. It fell through and instead of getting another story to fill the gap, it was decided to extend The War Games (which was a 4-parter) into a glorious 10 part epic. (This must have been a common fix as The Space Pirates was padded from 4 episodes to 6). For this reason, I think the 90 minute cut might not be so bad. Just my opinion though.
I love the idea of a color version of Doctor Who War Games. My home version is a BBC version and this would bring all the classic Patrick Troughton to a USA standard and coherent and cool. Just my thoughts
It might seem a bit odd to show the S7 trailer after The War Games in Colour as there'd need to be 10 minutes afterwards. The schedules would have it down as 100 minutes, which could kind of give the game away. With Thursday generally being an announcement day, the BBC could announce it on Boxing Day (26th Dec) as a belated Christmas gift to fans. S1 being late next year might not happen. If they want to do a William Russell tribute, they'd probably want to wait at least a year like with Richard Franklin for S11 to give the family more time to grieve. As well as Carole Anne Ford, we still have have directors Waris Hussein, Richard Martin and John Gorrie from the early years.
The colourization looks intriguing but I'm more excited about the official edit. I've played a lot of rpgs and I recognize busywork fetch quests when I see them
I'm not sure about the colourisations going in the collection sets. The 60s sets are probably going to have a quite high disc count already. It would also be interesting to know exactly how many stories are going to get colourised
there is no guarantee that the colourised stories will even appear on the season collection sets so I don't think the war games cut down will affect when a season 6 set can be released
Now I want more missing stories found in entirety, let's see how they'll minimise and colourise the Evil of the Daleks, the Massacre, Marco Polo, and Fury from the Deep, the latter's edit would be as equal to its animation.
I'm about to watch my copy of the black and white version of The War Games . I had forgotten that the War Games is 10 episodes long. If the colour version is only going 90 minutes long we are going to lose a lot of the story. My DVD version of the War Games is 3 discs. I've dug out my DVD copy of the War Games to find out how many parts the story is = 10 parts
....Cut down to 90 Minutes!? Thats like over Half the Story Cut OUT!? How the (insert multiple curse words here) are they going to pull that off? And yes. need a Troughton for the Shelf.
Man this dude must have a lot of money with all those Blue Rays and all. Can someone tell me what it is that makes the "highly marketable" amazing marketable Wheel in The Remarkable Space marketable, so very marketable?
Haha, I just know what hobbies I like to invest my limited funds on. Wheel is a season finale, a cyberman story, a Companion's first story, and the only story left to animate to make season 5 complete.
The next collection will be after season 2 standard so January And the war games needs to be cut down i feel as a fan of nuwho its an almighty commitment to watch all 10 parts
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've never understood the collector shelf mentality. Surely you just wind up buying the same thing over and over again? Just with a load of actors waffling about getting stones in their shoes, the bickering when people were given silly lines, a cameraman fell over a lighting cable, and the landlady at the digs was a bit frisky. If it gives you pleasure then fair play to you. I've loved the show for years (I'm old enough to dimly remember being parked on the sofa for Wargames and watching the first Pertwees in black and white because we couldn't afford a colour set) but the VHS then DVD then Steelbox then Bluray obsession strikes me as a rather expensive and exploited hobby.
@@AnotherScifiGuy Absolutely fine. I've a feeling the cut down colourised Wargames will do better in the ratings than the Christmas special and that might cause a few red faces and new round of excuses... I also suspect more people enjoyed discovering or revisiting Pyramids than RTD's dog on the box update, but the comparative figures aren't available. I think the BBC have to be a bit careful setting up such comparisons - it's all very well trying to spin more out of your back catalogue, but if your new stuff struggles against your old repeats, you have to ask questions, I should say.
@@AnotherScifiGuy Come come now. Are you really saying you aren't looking forward to Ncuti bursting into tears when his twerking doesn't work to beguile a tyrannosaur and some lass resolving a creation shattering threat with some sharp Irish wit and pressing a button marked "Ho Ho, Geddit?" And cue another song and dance routine. Scathing of me of course, but give me precedent and I set my expectations to match. Don't know if you get Wallace & Grommit over there, but the new one is on BBC just before Hotel Gatwaforya and I'm certain it will smash it for popularity. One will have plasticene characters, a stupid plot and cheesy music and the other will be Wallace & Grommit.
I like "The War Games" as it is it should be left alone and if they don't include the original good old black and white 10-part version on Blu-Ray for Season 6 I won't be buying it I'm not going to give RTD that satisfaction. I don't understand people's obsessions about tinkering with old film it wasn't made to be colourised it should be left as it should be in glorious black and white as broadcast as the original creators and producers intended it would also lose it's importance because not only it's Patrick Troughton's last story as well as Frazer Hines and Wendy Padbury but its also the last black and white story and it should be honoured that way in my opinion. I hate that they try to add NuWho crap into Classic.
There was also some of the original location footage found of the War Games quite recently so it’s kind of a good thing that the collection was delayed.
That's probably what some of the sci-fi media sites are referring to, even though they're claiming we see Teoughton turn into Pertwee (which is a newly made scene and never existed, never recorded at the time.)
Completely agree about wheel in space, i thought we would have got it years ago. Ive wanted it so bad along with the dalek master plan which im sure if it gets done will be the last one due to the size of it.
And have wanted a troughton set for so long. It will be a glorious treasure trove of goodies im sure when we finally get one.
As I said: I am quite confident that Season 11 will be the next Pertwee release rather than 7.
And The War Games doesn't directly lead into Spearhead. In fact, there is no regeneration on screen, and there is a soft reset, almost as big as between the movie and Rose: New doctor, new companion, new premise (stuck on Earth) and transition to colour.
@@Nikioko I’m pretty sure it’s season 7. Still work to do on Dino’s and probably giving the family time to grieve before doing a tribute video for Richard Franklin.
Just seen the Colour version on BBC 4. Finally saw how Troughton turned in to Pertwee after 54 years .
Seasons 3 and 4 will definitely be the last ones to be released. Just because they have the highest amount of fragmented or completely missing serials. In Season 1, only Marco Polo is missing. In Season 5, only The Wheel in Space is missing. And in Season 6, only The Space Pirates is missing. So, these will come earlier for sure.
4 I wouldn’t be sure because it’s going to be mostly animations it will need less restoration work for the surviving episodes and will therfore be “easy “ to do
I expect that Wheel in Space's marketability is exactly why they're keeping it in their back pocket. That way the range can survive riskier or less marketable animations underperforming - break glass in case of emergency. They did much the same with Terror of the Zygons on dvd, did they not?
When bbc America removed its funding they should have used it as the big gun to relaunch the animations not underwater menace toy maker tied into the 60 th they can’t afford to be picky now
@@dylangoodfellow4778Underwater Menace deserved to get a version at last that you could watch in its entirety at last. The Moonbase style animation just to plug the gaps would have been massively preferable, but that ship has sailed.
The test animation for The Wheel in Space was as good as these things get now. Far better than the likes of Galaxy Four. It’s such a shame that Wheel wasn’t a complete project.
If it’s all gonna go that way, guess it means they really will just leave the remainder of the black and white seasons to last.
I was hoping since there was roughly half and half colour to black and white sets left that they’d alternate them slightly.
Wonder what leaving all the black and white sets will do for sales too 🤔
I was hoping that as well, but i do want them to have the time to make the 60's sets as good as possible. so many episodes that need restoration work.
I read that there was missing footage of the regeneration into Pertwee which is interesting because I also read that Pertwee was cased after the War Games was filmed. I think it might be re-edited with nuWho regeneration effects.
As for animations, if the Smugglers is next, then please let them take their time to do it right! lol
@@lanceyarema4013 they are using a modified version of confession dials regeneration video from a year or two ago.
When considering this, i think it's important to remember that the tenth planet animation got released on a box set before it got a standalone release, so that might happen again with the colourised war games...? 🙏
doubtful, the BBC know how to get their money
Appreciate you're going in with an open mind
@@farfromallover I’m firm believer of having alternative versions of stories to watch. Just watched the new omnibus cut of silver nemesis on the season 25 boxset and enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Now we know why Season 6 has been held back and I agree it’s not likely to come out until late 2026 now.
Was hoping the delay was due to Space Pirates episodes either being found or animated but this is a good second prize.
I think the next few Collection releases will be S7 then S21 for 2025 followed by S13 (50th Anniversary) and finally S6.
I don’t think we will get another Heartnell or a Troughton Blu ray set, until all other doctors sets are finished.
It will give them more time to restore, animate, figure out special features, etc.
Plus Troughton is the best, gotta save the best for last!
Only about two hours before this went to air I was asking myself that very same question about a Throughton boxset.
One thing that will be pretty cool if it happens this way is if we get War Games in colour then the next "Collection" set is season 7. So even tho it's a 90 minute edit we have a nice run of War Games to The Green Death in season 10.
I am worried about the cut-down length, especially because I agree with you that the pacing is pretty great. I worry that they chose to do a long story rather than a regular 4 parter (which would've been a lot easier) BECAUSE they intentionally wanted to take a long story and cut it down... a 'Tenth Planet in Colour' or a 'War Machines in Colour' would be something I'd be a hell of a lot more excited for... but maybe that's just my conspiracy brain. I do also understand the view- you do the start and the end of the black and white era first and then nibble away at everything inbetween, but you have to remember that for this era of Dr Who I am particularly protective of it.
@@dwfan91- I agree, doing something like tomb or even Dalek invasion of earth seems better.
There's an interview with Terrance Dicks talking about this season and these shows. Originally, there was a 6-part episode that was supposed to go between The Space Pirates and The War Games. It fell through and instead of getting another story to fill the gap, it was decided to extend The War Games (which was a 4-parter) into a glorious 10 part epic. (This must have been a common fix as The Space Pirates was padded from 4 episodes to 6). For this reason, I think the 90 minute cut might not be so bad. Just my opinion though.
@@LAdivad I’m looking forward to seeing it.
I love the idea of a color version of Doctor Who War Games. My home version is a BBC version and this would bring all the classic Patrick Troughton to a USA standard and coherent and cool. Just my thoughts
It might seem a bit odd to show the S7 trailer after The War Games in Colour as there'd need to be 10 minutes afterwards. The schedules would have it down as 100 minutes, which could kind of give the game away. With Thursday generally being an announcement day, the BBC could announce it on Boxing Day (26th Dec) as a belated Christmas gift to fans.
S1 being late next year might not happen. If they want to do a William Russell tribute, they'd probably want to wait at least a year like with Richard Franklin for S11 to give the family more time to grieve. As well as Carole Anne Ford, we still have have directors Waris Hussein, Richard Martin and John Gorrie from the early years.
The colourization looks intriguing but I'm more excited about the official edit.
I've played a lot of rpgs and I recognize busywork fetch quests when I see them
I'm still wondering if there will be a wilderness years boxset
@@TheRealUnkn0wn_289 I hope so!
1:43 early last year*
The War Games is perfectly paced, no need to mess with it.
It is paced well.
I'm not sure about the colourisations going in the collection sets. The 60s sets are probably going to have a quite high disc count already. It would also be interesting to know exactly how many stories are going to get colourised
there is no guarantee that the colourised stories will even appear on the season collection sets so I don't think the war games cut down will affect when a season 6 set can be released
new information suggests that Peter Croker hasn't even started restoration work on 6 yet either.
Now I want more missing stories found in entirety, let's see how they'll minimise and colourise the Evil of the Daleks, the Massacre, Marco Polo, and Fury from the Deep, the latter's edit would be as equal to its animation.
I think Season 21 would be next after 7
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I'm about to watch my copy of the black and white version of The War Games . I had forgotten that the War Games is 10 episodes long. If the colour version is only going 90 minutes long we are going to lose a lot of the story. My DVD version of the War Games is 3 discs. I've dug out my DVD copy of the War Games to find out how many parts the story is = 10 parts
Yep. It’s a long one!
Why are they colorizing something that has to be cut down so much? There are 90-120 minutes Troughton episodes.
7, 21, 16, 6 seems a fairly likely pattern.
@@leecarroll4622 agreed
....Cut down to 90 Minutes!? Thats like over Half the Story Cut OUT!? How the (insert multiple curse words here) are they going to pull that off? And yes. need a Troughton for the Shelf.
Man this dude must have a lot of money with all those Blue Rays and all. Can someone tell me what it is that makes the "highly marketable" amazing marketable Wheel in The Remarkable Space marketable, so very marketable?
Haha, I just know what hobbies I like to invest my limited funds on. Wheel is a season finale, a cyberman story, a Companion's first story, and the only story left to animate to make season 5 complete.
The next collection will be after season 2 standard so January
And the war games needs to be cut down i feel as a fan of nuwho its an almighty commitment to watch all 10 parts
So classic who needs to pander to people withn no attention span? How about hell no. How about you grow a braincell or two instead?
I'm afraid I have no interest in these bastardized versions and holding back season sets for them is insane.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've never understood the collector shelf mentality. Surely you just wind up buying the same thing over and over again? Just with a load of actors waffling about getting stones in their shoes, the bickering when people were given silly lines, a cameraman fell over a lighting cable, and the landlady at the digs was a bit frisky.
If it gives you pleasure then fair play to you. I've loved the show for years (I'm old enough to dimly remember being parked on the sofa for Wargames and watching the first Pertwees in black and white because we couldn't afford a colour set) but the VHS then DVD then Steelbox then Bluray obsession strikes me as a rather expensive and exploited hobby.
@@Pooter-it4yg it can be an expensive and explosive hobby for sure and the bbc know it, lol. But as you say, it gives me pleasure.
@@AnotherScifiGuy Absolutely fine.
I've a feeling the cut down colourised Wargames will do better in the ratings than the Christmas special and that might cause a few red faces and new round of excuses...
I also suspect more people enjoyed discovering or revisiting Pyramids than RTD's dog on the box update, but the comparative figures aren't available. I think the BBC have to be a bit careful setting up such comparisons - it's all very well trying to spin more out of your back catalogue, but if your new stuff struggles against your old repeats, you have to ask questions, I should say.
@ I’m far more excited about the new version of the war games than I am about the Christmas special.
@@AnotherScifiGuy Come come now. Are you really saying you aren't looking forward to Ncuti bursting into tears when his twerking doesn't work to beguile a tyrannosaur and some lass resolving a creation shattering threat with some sharp Irish wit and pressing a button marked "Ho Ho, Geddit?" And cue another song and dance routine. Scathing of me of course, but give me precedent and I set my expectations to match.
Don't know if you get Wallace & Grommit over there, but the new one is on BBC just before Hotel Gatwaforya and I'm certain it will smash it for popularity. One will have plasticene characters, a stupid plot and cheesy music and the other will be Wallace & Grommit.
@ believe it or not the Christmas special has me feeling meh.
Never seen Wallace but am aware of it and that Bob baker co-created it.
I like "The War Games" as it is it should be left alone and if they don't include the original good old black and white 10-part version on Blu-Ray for Season 6 I won't be buying it I'm not going to give RTD that satisfaction.
I don't understand people's obsessions about tinkering with old film it wasn't made to be colourised it should be left as it should be in glorious black and white as broadcast as the original creators and producers intended it would also lose it's importance because not only it's Patrick Troughton's last story as well as Frazer Hines and Wendy Padbury but its also the last black and white story and it should be honoured that way in my opinion.
I hate that they try to add NuWho crap into Classic.
Agreed. I loathe these hacks.
@@joshuajoshua2732 they will certainly have the original on the boxset.