As far as a business perspective, everything makes sense for it to happen at Wrestlemania. You do give very convincing arguments as to why Rock can win at Wrestlemania. You also bring up an excellent point about megastars giving wrestlers the rub hasn't always worked out, especially in more recent years. It's good to know you're making a video on that because I think I have a lot to say about why the current wrestlers of today probably won't benefit from it the same way others have in the past.
I respect the hot take and get what you're saying but I do disagree just because I think it's a bit short sighted. Yes the match would be a draw and yes a Rock win would bring a ratings boost, but unless he's somehow a full time champion, is that going to last? I'm just not sure that people who are only tuning in because they heard Rock is champion are going to stick around once they realize he won't be on the show. Business has been going well, so clearly WWE is on a good track. If ratings and attendance were down then sure, they could use the boost, but right now I think it's better to build up new stars. Sure, legends can always pop a rating, but one day they won't be able to go anymore. And yes, you could have Rock drop the title to Cody Rhodes or someone, and that would be a big moment, so there's the counter argument, but it just feels like a waste of a moment to have such a historic reign end with someone who really doesn't need the rub. What I think people aren't talking about enough are 1. Roman can still win the match and 2. It doesn't have to happen right away. This isn't a match that needs the title involved to make money, and remember, they announced Rock vs Cena a whole year in advance. I think the ideal scenario would either be to have Roman retain against Rock at WM 40 (less ideal from a fan's POV because let's be honest, Roman isn't going to lose at a B tier PPV, so it would mean at least another half year of low tension, obvious conclusion matches), or have Roman lose to someone else (probably Cody) at WM 40 and then build up Rock vs Roman for WM 41. Have a yearlong story of Roman losing his grasp on the family after losing the big one, have Rock challenge him for his position as tribal chief, then Roman can get his big redemption by beating Rock. Just my fantasy booking lol but I think that would be a really engaging story for the fans and still make a ton of money.
I agree that we do have to take into account that Roman may still be champion this time next year. In terms of the short term, I've a lot people bringing this up but you presented the counter argument for me, and I also said the same in the video. But what is a "big moment" can I spend it? And I also addressed that I never agreed with the "doesn't need it" mentality. As thats how you end up with hhhs reign of terror and the rating falling off. Speaking of which WWE isnt doing well in the ratings and hasn't beem for a while. And back to the doesn't need it philosophy. Allow me to remind you that Hulk Hogan ended Andre's 15 year undefeated streak during the height of Hulkamania. Regardless as to what "fan common knowledge" might dictate the real pattern does not change
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Heh I knew you were gonna say that about my "big moments" remark. I was almost gonna mention that ultimately I am just a fan so I do think of things in term of what I think would be most entertaining. I'm not in the industry so my priorities obviously different from people who are, but I feel you about the business argument. I honestly thought ratings were doing well? Not 2001 level of course because people just don't watch that much cable anymore, but it's still been up year over year for a while no? Hulk beating Andre is a good example but it is a bit different since that was during the height of his reign. I think a more fitting comparison would be Lesnar ending the streak, which is something WWE definitely did get their money's worth out of since Brock went on to wrestle for another decade plus. Rock is still in great shape, but he is 51 and busy with Hollywood. At the end of the day am I gonna be up in arms if he wins, no. I won't even be mad. People do take this stuff too seriously. I just disagree with it being the best course of action to take.
Well Dave, your prediction of Rock vs Roman at Wrestlemania is coming true. From a business perspective, if the WWE's goal is to make boat loads of money, how this this match not gonna get people glued to their seats?
No, the Rock DOES NOT need to beat Roman. For what ? He doesn’t need it. He’s come back Cena, Punk, Rtruth, Miz ,etc. Him losing won’t hurt him. A win over Roman is just another W for the Rock, nothing else/ If anything he needs to put Roman over to cement him as the top talent of this era. Just let Roman beat Rock then let Cody beat Roman for the title. This is like Hogan coming back to end the CM Punk title reign back in 2011-2012. Yeah,Hogan would draw money but he doesn’t need the win, not the belt. Just make it a good feud , make him look strong and we can wrap it up as a good program that helped a younger talent.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling whatever event The Rock is booked to be in is going to draw money regardless is he wins or loses. Hes not going to be here longterm. Putting the belt on him won’t make any sense. It would further benefit someone who’s there full time.
The Rock vs Roman has been the company’s goal for YEARS and it was even more so after he turned heel and developed this new character. It almost seems tailor made for all this time to lead to Roman vs Rock
yeah? tell that to the dislikes that's reaching a million no one wants to see that match that's not a dream match!!!! and it's not gonna be be good the rock couldn't keep up with Cena at wm 29!!!! and that was 11 years ago!!!!
@@vampirascoffin870 could you be any more wrong? PLENTY OF PEOPLE WANT THIS MATCH AND HAVE WANTED IT FOR YEARS! It is indeed a dream match and one they've been building to ever since the bloodline formed! You Cody Marks are just acting like spoiled children because you can't get your way!
Fascinating video I'll admit that I'm more in favor of an upcoming talent to get the rub against Reigns but there is no one in the roster at this time that fits that role aside established veterans. At this rate, i rather see Cody vs Rollins over the WHC than Cody vs Reigns II. 2024 is going to be another huge year for The Rock so I'm in favor of it if the Rock can make it work. Rock vs Reigns at WM is 🔥. Can't put that in the Elimination Chamber event.
Im totally for this whole thing. But... As someone told me. I would rather see Rock go for that necklace that defines the head of the table.... Not the title itself. That sends Roman second guessing and opens him up for a slip up and descent into madness
Makes more sense. Something valuable to their culture being taken away from Reigns will cause doubt and open him up for a massive L which is losing the belts. Like Zuko in Avatar facing his sister Azula, once she slowly descended into madness, he knew he had an advantage being more in control of his emotions. The Rock doesn't need to take the titles off Roman Reigns. He already has a Hall of Fame resume. A short 7 year prime yet he accomplished a lot in that time span. Great matches, promos, and moments, The Brahma Bull has done it all
In what possible way could wwe even benefit from that , we need a full time wrestler elevate the title not a part timer , ffs The Rock is not even a part timer anymore he’s a full blown Hollywood Actor now , he don’t deserve this
I spent the entire video telling you how WWE benefits. To sum it all up, it's financially. That's what those in the business are primarily concerned with. "Elevating" a fictional prop and its fictional status is what certain other people are concerned with
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Oh im sorry but some of the wrestlers today or in the past used to be those fans , just because someone don’t share the same wrestling vision with you doesn’t make them a ‘’ mark’’ DAVE .
I think people have forgotten that cody's story isn't the first "story" that Roman has stopped dead in it's track. In 2021, WM37 was built up with Daniel Bryan and Edge both having their comback stories. Both valid, both had crowd support. Hell, I'd even go as far as to say Edge's comeback & redemption story was the most justified. And yet, Roman beat them both and crushed our dreams. And 2024's WWE is a lot healthier than 2021 meaning their roster is so much more stacked with Talent. I could really see WWE keeping the title on Roman because they have some bigger plans for the next few years. Whatever happens, I'm just glad that we're at a place where noone can confidently predict how wrestlemania is going to end.
Great video Dave, although j don't believe rocks walking out of WM with the belt, you did make some compelling arguments and I'll be willing to eat crow if I'm wrong
It's true, the rock has never won a world title at WrestleMania 2000 what's the perfect time for the Rock to win the WWF championship, but he got screwed by the McMahon family.
Cody beating Roman would inspire MILLIONS around the world who fail at some stage in life but never give up and later go on to succeed "A hero needs to fail before reaching his moment" That's the story they're telling That's the story Cody has to finish From Roman's perspective The story they're telling is "You need family" The way he behaved with Jey Sami and probably will betray solo (reportedly they're gonna push him in singles run) He's got to suffer the consequences That is This time,your family ain't here to save you That's where roman realizes that he always needed his family and he shouldn't have kicked em out THAT'S where the Rock story/Family story comes in that's where rock tells roman that he's the real head of the table he's the actual leader of their bloodline who treats everyone properly and that's why Rock vs Roman MUST happen without ANY belt on the line!
You are dillusional about how much influence Cody has. I like Cody a lot, but he's not inspiring millions. Raw doesn't even crack two million viewers most of the time. And I doubt he inspires all of those fans who are watching with his win when most of them know that wrestling is predetermined. Besides, what good is inspiration? Can I spend it? TKO and WWE book with the bottom line in mind always. Accept it.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I still hope for them to end a beautiful storyline Btw By millions i do not mean raw ratings I mean many in the future are gonna see it too They'll be able to relate it We all know it's fake But it's all about relateability Most of us can relate to "hero getting tailed in life" Moreover be it does bring in good numbers (if you're not being "dillusional") I agree the numbers won't be as good as the rock But Rock ain't here to show his @ss every week He doesn't care He's here for a one off retirement match About the belt People who work hard deserve it imo Cody has earned it(until you're being "dillusional") I hope Cody wins He can/will make good money too And unlike the rock He can do it IN LONG TERM BUT I hope we both are happy with whatever happens at wm 40!
Perhaps I should have worded it kinder. But I don't think now or in the future, there are going to be millions of people who are about to give up and then they think to themselves "Ya know what Cody did beat Roman" and then climb off their ledge or decide to work harder at their job or whatever.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling 😂that sounded funny for some reason But yeah Atleast what you said has happened with me If Cody can do it I can do it too I and perhaps many see themselves as a hero like Cody Rhodes So I think what you exactly said won't happen😂 But that'll definitely add a layer to some extent Maybe give a lil push that is needed (if you know) You're right though Not millions But MANY will get that Especially who are competing for something
@@DaveKnowsWrestling SO cody vs roman at mania 40 rock probably at mania 41(and i hope not but reportedly at crown jewel) Even though you did not get your wish i hope you're happy with the match we'll get though! atleast wrestling-wise the match would be better!
The rock needs to go back to Hollywood and make some more mediocre movies. It's OK if he shows up from time to time, cut some promos, and even wrestles a match. But as a champ. No.
Dave, the last thing we want to see is another Anoa’i as the top champion. In the words of Cody Rhodes, “wrestling has more than one royal family”, but half of the overall wrestling fanbase views the Anoa’i Family as the only untarnished royal family in wrestling. They don’t give a fig about the Rhodes Family, the Hart Family, the families of the Four Horsemen, or even certain sides of the Anoa’i Family, like those who carry the name of “Maivia”. All they care about are the members who carry names of “Anoa’i”, “Fatu”, and even “Johnson”. To me, that is nothing but prejudice in the industry.
And by we, who exactly do you mean? Because as far as the masses are concerned, they say otherwise and have no idea who the Anoa'i family is. And they speak volumes more than you
@crictv2992 WWE was not running smoothly before The Rock came back. They needed Rock to sell Wrestlemania 27. At that point, Rock was already bigger than WWE in terms of relevance. Something that a quote on quote "deserving" wrestler never got. The fact of the matter is, no one is going to be a megastar on the level of Austin, Rock & Hogan. Punk isn't on that level, Daniel Bryan wasn't on that level & Cody Rhodes won't be on that level either.
I am not talking like WWE was nothing before Rock came back at all. Never said anything close to that. I am simply pointing out that when you are a major corporation, like WWE or TKO or whoever, no matter how well you are doing, you go for the option that makes the most money. And as for 2012-2013, yes Punk did not get the main event of WM28, the Rock did. And guess what, it was and still is the highest selling PPV of all time. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but it's simple pattern recognition that WWE follows the money. And as for morally demotivating.. I say it is, but only to those who believe any of this is real
I admit it, you sold me on the idea. Ever since Cody, returned and cut that "finishing the story" promo on the Raw after WrestleMania, I wanted him to win. To beat Roman at WrestleMania and finish his story. The main reason was because I was engrossed in a great story with 2 of my favorite wrestlers. I think the moment to pull the trigger on Cody (if they were going to) was WM39. That time has gone and passed, and the story of The Rock is just as good. It makes sense and I can engross myself in another great story. The Rock makes sense story wise and in a business perspective. I just hope that if they do pull the trigger and have Rocky win, that they have a great match to go with this great story. Good video, Dave!
No. Lads it's 2024 . Roman reigns has received a monster push since 2015. It's been nearly ten years. A whole generation. Why give all that momentum to a 50 year old part timer who left WWE in 2003? Stop milking cash cows of a bygone era and start building future stars.
I agree that building future stars is important. I just don't think letting someone beat someone does the trick anymore. Austin Theory beat John Cena at Mania and no one cares. LA Knight got more over in the company than anyone and he didn't have to win anything. The way to build a star comes from more than just winning a match that we all know is predetermined
Those were some great points honestly, and in short term success the rock beating roman reigns at WrestleMania to win the championship would be the best option, but for the first time in almost 20 years WWE has finally found themselves a new Megastar, a new top guy that sets records who's not even 40 yet, we don't know the next time we're gonna get a guy like this especially if you throw the biggest moment and the starting moment of their career to someone who everyone knows would be a transitional champion to another heel, and if the rock were to beat roman reigns after he called himself rhe tribal chief for half a decade breaking records then all of that would effectively be a joke, imagine looking back at a roman reigns match after that, "yeah, then roman lost to the rock and then the rock lost to grayson waller." No, that's not how you end that, roman reigns needs to lose to someone who'll have a career afterwards, someone that can say all of it was because of him, because of that moment at wrestlemania, that would really then make roman reigns a legend of the business, that would certify him as the modern day undertaker who's loss will mean something for years to come and made memories, that's why cody rhodes was THE guy even if he didn't have a long reign, Because eventually this era will be over and all of these guys will hsve double the star power to, and the reason for thst isn't because we were banking on older eras bringing Goldberg back for the 100th unmemorable time, but because we bet on ourselves.
You're right Rock dropping it to Grayson Waller wouldn't make Grayson a made man on principle. Because just dropping the strap has no inherent value. Which is why the Rock winning won't hurt either because that sword cuts both ways. And financial value is the primary concern for those in the business
@@DaveKnowsWrestlingRoman winning is financial value, it's proving he's the tribal chief and it elevates everyone he's beaten in that ring, the new generation needs to go over the old else it risks not being taken seriously. the rock vs Roman reigns is the biggest match in wrestling right now, a match so big you can't doubt that the whole world will be watching, to a lot of them, the rock beat the random guy with wet hair and similar tattoos who's name you might have heard once, oh damn he was champion for that long? Cool I guess, But Roman goes over and all of a sudden, he's Roman reigns, the badass who beat the rock at WrestleMania and damn is he Believable, it's a passing of the torch moment that actually works because the torch has already been passed, the rock winning just to maybe generate more headlines for WWE even though he's already their spokesperson for life is pointless long term, btw Grayson Waller would definitely become the most hated man in WWE if he beat the rock so I guess it wouldn't be that bad, but still less memorable than a huge babyface win to carry the company long term which is what WWE could really use right now
I don't understand why some fans think long term plans can only begin with this year's Mania. Rock can win. Make money. And then start the next thing after. And all the money doesn't go anywhere. You still get to keep it. Plus all this supposed elevation is not dependent on the title
I’m of two minds. Actually three, there’s a few ways this could go that make sense. -Pure booking: Rock vs Roman at EC, Roman wins clean and looks like the ultimate final boss heading into Mania where he drops the belt to Cody, making Cody look like the ultimate babyface for the rest of 2024. -Pure business: Rock vs Roman at Mania, Rock wins for all the reasons you stated. -Pure history: It doesn’t matter who Roman faces or when, because he retains the title at least through next September and breaks Hogan’s record.
Roman is due a break and some time off from WWE! He is definitely dropping the belts at Mania but none of the current roster is able to dethrone him! The only one that makes sense is the Rock! It ticks all the boxes on every level to let Rock win but what happens after Mania with the Rock as champion? That’s the only concern.
I'm not entirely against the idea of another Rocky Title run, but in my opinion,timing is everything. I would say avoid Mania because we don't need another Walkout due to bad feelings. But I am open to seeing it happen at a later date. Possibly MITB or Summerslam. BTW ty for the shout-out always Buddy! I kept my word and I am stepping back into the ring asap
@@DaveKnowsWrestling let's hope not! And most definitely and 🍻 to you and the success of your channel and overall you. You're cool in my Book Sir Dave! Make sure you like, comment, share and subscribe to this channel! As always, Dave Knows Wrestling!
The Rock putting a end to Roman character make senses but i hope WWE does good in this storyline because i havw lost hype because how much i waited and plus the Rock showing up and chalenging Roman out knowhere does not make me hype at all.
I had a whole speech cooked up in the comments down here before your last point, but that was a fair point. I still don't want the Rock (or Cody, or for the love of God Brock Lesnar since he'll likely be back for a WM payday) to be the one to finally beat Roman, but I'd be interested to see statistics of up and coming title holders vs has-beens.
It would be an interesting research project but the problem comes into play with who counts as an up and comer. Like is AJ Styles one? My overall point is that making a star seldom has to do with solely giving someone a title. It's all the work outside of that that matters. And so giving it to the Rock is not damaging. It's just profitable
How is Roman is anywhere close to Hulkamania? And it's even funnier that you use that as your example because you just proved my point. Because who took the belt off of Hogan after his 3 year run? Was it an new up and comer? No, it was the seasoned veteran and mega draw, Andre the Giant
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I think he meant Cody was the second coming of Hulkamania. Though I disagree. Cody is popular, but WWE isn't going to let anyone get that over ever again.
As much as The Rock winning the WWE championship once again will be a great fairy tale story let's just be honest with ourselves. That would be a terrible decision simply because it ruins the match that everyone wants to see (Rhodes v Reigns 2) and it also takes away CM punk's LONG OVERDUE WrestleMania main event marquee match. Let's not forget part of the reason why CM punk left the WWE in the first place is because even as WWE champion he never got to main event WrestleMania. I'm just worried that we're going to get a match that we don't really want to see. And that's not saying that the rock can't put "butts in seats" I just don't want another overhype match that became underwhelming.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling you are correct Dave I want to see Cody Rhodes beat Roman reigns so he can" finish his story". But to be fair and you making a great point the rock is a record-setting guy so anything he does is not only going to immediately trend all over social media. It's also going to give WWE ratings and because he's the rock he's an instant draw.
Horrible video man, and I dsy this as a fan of yours. Most of your takes are "because it will make money" and I really dont care about that, I have no stock on WWE after all. I just want a good product with good storyline. You contradictorio yourself saying it needs to be at wmania because audiences will be massive but you also say that internacional shows already have massive audiences anyways. The Rock doesn't need a other title, the match will probably be lame, and as you said yourself, if he wins he will drop it soon, which will be a waste. Roman's defeat puts over the next guy. The Rock defeat will mean nothing to anybody.
You misunderstood the point of audience comment. The point is that audiences for foreign shows are massive no matter what. Filling a football stadium in Philly is not a guarantee unless you have a strong main event. And yes I do talk about money a lot and understand it's not your concern. But I feel fans overlook finances. Like it or not it is the most important part of a promotions decisions. Plus, it is indicative of what the masses like and not just hardcore fans. It's more important to please more people than the few. Even if we are part of the few
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Wrestlemania will make bank no matter what. It's wmania! They dont need The Rock to make it work. If it was anote B tier PLE, sure, maybe. And again, your video was about why The Rock needs to defeat Roman and I still remains unconvinced. You talk about it being a great story but what's good about a part time whose best days are way in the pasta getting the most coveted prize in wrestling from final boss Roman? Nobody wins there. The Rock drops the title later in a B tier PLV or even worse, he hijacks it for a year and drops it at wmania 41 in a other lackluster match. Nah, sounds awful no matter what. The Eockhould lose TO Roman and the Roman should give the rub to a proper full timer, most likely Cody.
Wrestlemanias tickets do fluctuate in sales. As I said, it's not about just doing well it's about the most financially viable option. More people will buy tickets to see the Rock vs Roman than anyone else on the card. What am I basing this off of? While no one knows for sure, I base this off of the social media record and the merch sales and everything I mentioned in this video. I also am not trying to convince you. As I don't think there is any convincing you in particular. The reason why I brought up typical internet mentality in the start of this episode was because as I said, it tends to blind people from recognizing the pattern that's right in front of them. WWE books like a business not based off of what the IWC wants. They made Jinder champ to try and make money. Thats how far theyre willing to go. And the story of the bloodline is about family and the Rock is family. And again I explained this already.
I personally like to give wrestlers a Dragonball comparison in terms of their current sitting on who they can or cannot beat. For the main eventers who are booked strong, the face is Goku, the heel is Frieza, the insanely scary strong heel is Cell, and scary strong face is Super Saiyan Goku. The step below is Gohan for a face, and Vegeta for a heel, they can put up a damn strong fight and maybe pull an upset, but they're not currently strong enough to beat a Goku of Frieza. The next step down is Krillin for a face, and Nappa for a heel, they're capable of winning fights with people of medium strength, but they stand no chance of fighting a Goku or Frieza, but maybe can pull an upset against a Gohan or Vegeta. Then the jobbers are Yamcha and Emperor Pilaf. The only fights they can win is against local competitors. With this being said, I see The Rock as the Goku of the WWE, and Roman Reigns as the Cell of the WWE, so it would be amazing booking wise if The Rock won, but Roman also stands a chance in winning. Plus, whoever The Rock drops the world title to will basically already be on the Goku/Frieza standing due to their momentum building up to that, making them the next top face of heel, which could likely be LA Knight or Gunther.
When you use this analogy, just note that the people who are hopelessly angry want Krillin to beat Cell. Not Goku, not Vegeta, not future Trunks, not Gohan, not Piccolo, not even Tien...but frickin' Krillin.
I thought Rock had deals with other entertainment franchises that forbade him from doing any outside activity that might be dangerous. I knew Rock-Roman had to be at Wrestlemania if it was gonna happen, but Roman's title reign surpassing one of Bruno's in terms of longevity was not in the cards at the time. Neither were the signings of Cody or Punk. So I'm guessing this is how Cody gets his heel turn/title run if Rock gets his reign before him.
I’m all for Rock/Reigns BUT it doesn’t need the title and it kills Cody’s long term storyline too. It’s a perfect example of how short sighted WWE still are as what happens after Rock/Reigns ? Rock isn’t staying around after WrestleMania 40 IF it were to happen. People have become tired of Reigns run as champion which peaked between Summerslam in 2022 and WrestleMania 39, do they attempt to limp along to Summerslam for Cody to win the title and dim the moment ? I much prefer the idea of Rock fending off Solo and Jimmy from interfering in Cody/Reigns 2 thus allowing Cody to cleanly beat Reigns and complete his storyline to become champion. Then you get to do a year long build to Rock/Reigns, have Reigns disappear for a couple of months then to do cross promotion have Reigns turn up on a movie set that Rock is working on and ‘brutally attack’ Rock. Have Reigns come out to enter the Royal Rumble 2025 match and clear the ring and then the countdown to the next person is on and Rock’s music hits, they brawl all around the arena thus eliminating each other and setting up Rock/Reigns for WrestleMania 41.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling in some cases yes you’re right but did Hogan/Rock or Cena/Rock need a title ? Both matches were far bigger than the title matches on those PPV’s. Rock/Reigns is such a personal storyline that the title would be completely forgotten about and very much secondary to the ‘Head Of The Table’ title, having the title as an afterthought at WrestleMania would be criminal. Then you have the problem of Rock winning and the title is vacant the following week as Rock isn’t staying past possibly Raw the night after WrestleMania or Reigns winning and his own reign of terror continuing, it’s basically booking themselves into a no win situation regarding the title.
I find it funny that you mention Rock and Cena not needing the title when they went against each other the following year for the title. The point is, the best match should be for the title. The champion makes the championship not the other way around
@@DaveKnowsWrestling because the company booked a rematch and the only way they could attempt to make it bigger was to use the title but do you think it worked and Cena/Rock 2 was bigger because of the title ? You’re 100% right and the best or biggest match should be for the title BUT in reality that went out the window years ago when PPV’s were being main evented by the biggest feuds or biggest draws over who was champion Do you believe Rock stays around for longer than the night after WrestleMania if he beats Reigns ? The only way I see it working if Rock beat Reigns would be for Priest to beat Rock on Raw the night after WrestleMania but even then the rub of being the one to beat Reigns for the title is wasted on someone who doesn’t need it and WWE do NEED new draws and made stars.
Explaining why the match needed the title doesn't change that it still did. And my point is that the biggest draws should be the champions. And Roman has been exactly that for the past three years overall. So I don't see that as being an out the window idea. Further more the Rock doesn't need to be there all the time. Roman isnt. And by your rationale, why can't whoever beats the Rock become a new star. If you can transfer heat that should work. But if it doesn't work it only proves my point that the idea of passing the torch has never really been true
Good points overall. But i think what the commentors in this section are thinking about one BIG mainstream Pop title win vs The Long Term journey of Cody Rhodes. My(and i think a lot of fans) take is The Rock can totally end the Bloodline ,but doesn't need to dethrone Roman to do it . Cause the long term fans NEED to be rewarded, cause if Cody doesn't finish the Story at 40. Then he'll become a Nobody and any future title win won't matter as much. Cause that moment was sacrificed for a mainstream win that'll only be relevant for about a Month. I guess its one shot BIG money win vs creating a new long term draw.
I get you but disagree. Also the "finish the story" thing is something I don't understand why the IWC holds onto it so dearly. Hhh addressed this in the press conference last year. And it doesn't make Cody a nobody. He didnt win it at 39 and he topped the merch sales for Dec. Cody has become more endeared to fans from not winning at Mania, proving that winning a belt is not the end all be all of getting over. Thus making it no big deal if the Rock wins
Rock was the one on WWE idea to dethrone roman regins that why trible chiff got un beaten so rock come out beat him rock refuce every time but now WWE has new star bulit in Cody Rhodes he sell merch sold live event making money for WWE the guy that WWE want back he never ask them for comeback why would you should spoil his moment rock should have face roman last year but not now when you got a year of building story of Cody fan will turn on thats match it's total injustice for Cody Rhodes busting his ass for year to find out his moment given to rock with all love to rock it's time for Cody Rhodes
I’ve got no problem with The Rock winning the Royal Rumble & the Title in the main event of WrestleMania XL but I hope it’s not gonna be a Champ today gone tomorrow. The Rock should stay on as Champ until at least SummerSlam this year where it would be acceptable for him to drop it if not at this year’s Survivor Series etc
This is the thing mate, no way in the world Rock stays past maybe the Raw the night after WrestleMania as his film schedule and insurance won’t allow him too so it’s a one and done deal created simply to boost WrestleMania viewers.
The market research deems it necessary also The Rock’s schedule between April & August could be doable right now plus The Rock could just only keep the strap until SummerSlam and in those months The Rock does Hollywood stuff in that time between Raws, Smackdowns & other PPV’s he could be a walking billboard sign promoting WWE more as World Champ to try & attract new fans between April & August with on set photos, Film premieres and festivals carrying the belt around while someone new who rises to move merchandise hopefully emerges to take the strap at SummerSlam. It wouldn’t be the first time a WWE World Champ was kept off TV to be saved for certain appearances & PPV’s as long before Brock Lesnar the Old WWF did it with Hulk Hogan and many others all the time in the 80’s & 90’s
You make some excellent and completely valid points, but I still think the WWE should keep moving towards the future, the story of Cody should be finished, sure you could do something with the rock but I just feel so strongly about Cody Vs Roman at mania to finish the story
I don't understand how people got so married to this idea that Cody has to dethrone Roman. And why his little catchphrase in his promo last year somehow gets treated as factual evidence when it's a scripted line that hhh has already debunked
@@DaveKnowsWrestling They got so attached to this line, they believe it should take priority over the biggest match. Cody's "star power" is vastly overrated, if not misleading. You can just tell going by the metrics of ratings and even the UA-cam numbers if you want to count that metric too.
WrestleMania has already been Sold Out for a While. So, it's really irrelevant if The Rock shows up at Mania or not. Furthermore, The Rock doesn't have the stamina to do a WrestleMania caliber match anymore. Period.Thats not hate either. I've been a huge fan of The Rock since 1998 when I was 16. That little 1 minute physical altercation between The Rock and Jinder Mahal totally Gassed him. You say forget about his age? Well, you can't really do that. He's almost 52 years old and hasn't had a WrestleMania main event in 11 years and even then he got injured. Now, as I've mentioned, he can't "GO" like he needs to Go in a WrestleMania main event match. It won't happen.
Mania not sold out at all. There plenty of tickets left. Don't know where you got that from. And yes he did gassed with that Jinder exchange. But my overall point is the match quality is irrelevant if WWE is booking like a business and going for the payday. Which they typically are
The rock winning the belt would be the absolute worst thing that could happen. Whoever beats roman would get such a huge rub. The last time that worked was drew vs lesnar
Agreed completely. Also I'm tired of part-time wrestlers getting the rub because they want a Mania payday. I think it should go to Cody in all honesty, the guy has been incredible since his return.
I like Drew, but I can't give it to you that Brocks momentum rubbed off on him. Especially without fans in attendance. Drew was treading water before his heel turn. And even now he's not on Lesnars level. That's not a sign that he got the rub. It's a sign that this type of booking doesn't work anymore
@@DaveKnowsWrestling him eliminating Lesnar at the rumble was a star making moment. Every single person in that stadium was behind him. And ever since, he can be slotted into a main event program and feel right at home. It certainly solidified him as a main eventer for years to come
I can concede that it solidified his main event status. But I don't think it solidified him as a champion, unfortunately. I can't stand Lesnar and think he's been way over pushed. But his level at the top of WWE is leaps and bounds over Drew. That isn't a torch pass, it's Drew being slightly warmed by Brocks fire
dave you always the complete opposite your opinion makes no sense of this , now i wanna hear your take when roman buried seth and that secondary title which roman said was true , the rock doesnt need to beat roman whats the purpose your reasons makes no sense
Well, if you think after this video and the subsequent video, my position makes no sense, then I doubt clarifying it here is even possible. Especially since I'm not even sure what you're trying to say in your comment
Ni, he is way too old,.There are fans who are legal adults that were not born the last time he held a bet in the WWE. It will bury the rest of the roster. This is Hogan version 2. To be honest the fact his merch sells as much as it does should be concerning to the WWE.
11 year olds are not legal adults. And I agree the merch sales should be concerning to WWE to a degree. But it doesn't change that making money is the goal
Great video! As much as Cody is fantastic and would be an amazing main event, we already had the same thing last year, you know. That was the time to pull the trigger, stretching it over 2 Wrestlemania’s just seems like a bit much. Rock vs Roman is a historic opportunity, I mean it doesn’t get much bigger. And this might sound crazy, but hear me out. Have Rock win the title, then Raw after Mania have Cody come out and congratulate him. Then just viciously attack him, like really lay into him and go crazy. “THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MY STORY!! You part time, Hollywood asshole, you stole it from me!!” Completely shock the hell out of people, take the whitest of white meat babyfaces and give him a legit, believable vendetta to turn him. Maybe make him more of a tweener, cause people will still cheer him anyway. And there, now you got a heated Rock/Cody feud to follow it up, and a new layer to Cody’s character.
If they do put the title on Rock, it’d feel wasteful to just have the Roman feud be a one and done. Maybe Roman takes some time off and they pick up the feud later, but that would make Rock’s feud with Cody somewhat feel like filler. I want Cody to have his moment they way he dreamed it, in front of a huge crowd and as a face, but if they are gonna deny him that, I like the justified heel angle you’re pitching. It’s built in. And then he can truly play up the American Nightmare gimmick, similar to how he was on the indies before AEW.
I feel like there’s also a lot of storytelling potential with Cody dethroning Roman Reigns with his whole ‘finish the story’ storyline and he’d benefit a lot better than someone like The Rock would from winning the big one BUT The Rock is my favourite wrestler of all time and I gotta be honest, I’d be super happy to see him win the big one once more
Sure, let's take the title off of ONE part time wrestler and put it on an even MORE part time wrestler. How about we stop this nonsense and just take the title off of Reigns and put it on someone who deserves it? The Rock hasn't been relevant to wrestling in over a decade, neither has John Cena or the Undertaker (maybe not quite as long) can the WWE maybe stop with the ridiculous nostalgia and work more on making bigger stars? Or using the ones they already have instead of trotting out yet MORE nostalgia?
Well, as for the WWE title specifically, it came from Brock, another part timer. And WWE has been doing just fine since. They do it because it works. And I do agree they need to build new stars. But when we look at Cody and LA Knight and the like, they're stars, and they never won the big one. There's more to star power than the title
@@DaveKnowsWrestling so, all they want is headlines? What is the point of having a part time world champion? To the point where you had to create a second (third?) World title just to give the illusion that you have a world champion? How does this benefit the company in any way? Nostalgia is ruining wrestling.
What's the point? I apparently can't make this clear enough... money. Fans tend to think of things like the prestige and the emotions behind decisions. WWE only cares with how much it profits. As soon as you shift your thinking to that, WWE choices start to make more sense. You don't have to like it but you can at least understand it. And I already tackled the nostalgia thing and it's no where near as over dramatic as you're making it out to be
It’s not called show friends it’s show business- Scott Hall
"This ain't friend business, this is show business." - MJF
As far as a business perspective, everything makes sense for it to happen at Wrestlemania. You do give very convincing arguments as to why Rock can win at Wrestlemania.
You also bring up an excellent point about megastars giving wrestlers the rub hasn't always worked out, especially in more recent years. It's good to know you're making a video on that because I think I have a lot to say about why the current wrestlers of today probably won't benefit from it the same way others have in the past.
I respect the hot take and get what you're saying but I do disagree just because I think it's a bit short sighted. Yes the match would be a draw and yes a Rock win would bring a ratings boost, but unless he's somehow a full time champion, is that going to last? I'm just not sure that people who are only tuning in because they heard Rock is champion are going to stick around once they realize he won't be on the show.
Business has been going well, so clearly WWE is on a good track. If ratings and attendance were down then sure, they could use the boost, but right now I think it's better to build up new stars. Sure, legends can always pop a rating, but one day they won't be able to go anymore. And yes, you could have Rock drop the title to Cody Rhodes or someone, and that would be a big moment, so there's the counter argument, but it just feels like a waste of a moment to have such a historic reign end with someone who really doesn't need the rub.
What I think people aren't talking about enough are 1. Roman can still win the match and 2. It doesn't have to happen right away. This isn't a match that needs the title involved to make money, and remember, they announced Rock vs Cena a whole year in advance. I think the ideal scenario would either be to have Roman retain against Rock at WM 40 (less ideal from a fan's POV because let's be honest, Roman isn't going to lose at a B tier PPV, so it would mean at least another half year of low tension, obvious conclusion matches), or have Roman lose to someone else (probably Cody) at WM 40 and then build up Rock vs Roman for WM 41. Have a yearlong story of Roman losing his grasp on the family after losing the big one, have Rock challenge him for his position as tribal chief, then Roman can get his big redemption by beating Rock. Just my fantasy booking lol but I think that would be a really engaging story for the fans and still make a ton of money.
I agree that we do have to take into account that Roman may still be champion this time next year.
In terms of the short term, I've a lot people bringing this up but you presented the counter argument for me, and I also said the same in the video. But what is a "big moment" can I spend it?
And I also addressed that I never agreed with the "doesn't need it" mentality. As thats how you end up with hhhs reign of terror and the rating falling off.
Speaking of which WWE isnt doing well in the ratings and hasn't beem for a while.
And back to the doesn't need it philosophy. Allow me to remind you that Hulk Hogan ended Andre's 15 year undefeated streak during the height of Hulkamania. Regardless as to what "fan common knowledge" might dictate the real pattern does not change
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Heh I knew you were gonna say that about my "big moments" remark. I was almost gonna mention that ultimately I am just a fan so I do think of things in term of what I think would be most entertaining. I'm not in the industry so my priorities obviously different from people who are, but I feel you about the business argument. I honestly thought ratings were doing well? Not 2001 level of course because people just don't watch that much cable anymore, but it's still been up year over year for a while no?
Hulk beating Andre is a good example but it is a bit different since that was during the height of his reign. I think a more fitting comparison would be Lesnar ending the streak, which is something WWE definitely did get their money's worth out of since Brock went on to wrestle for another decade plus. Rock is still in great shape, but he is 51 and busy with Hollywood.
At the end of the day am I gonna be up in arms if he wins, no. I won't even be mad. People do take this stuff too seriously. I just disagree with it being the best course of action to take.
This is the last big dream money making match it has to happen at WrestleMania
Well Dave, your prediction of Rock vs Roman at Wrestlemania is coming true. From a business perspective, if the WWE's goal is to make boat loads of money, how this this match not gonna get people glued to their seats?
I can’t agree it just has to be Cody Rhodes. If anything Roman defeating rock at chamber will just elevate not just Roman but Cody Rhodes
No, the Rock DOES NOT need to beat Roman. For what ? He doesn’t need it. He’s come back Cena, Punk, Rtruth, Miz ,etc. Him losing won’t hurt him. A win over Roman is just another W for the Rock, nothing else/ If anything he needs to put Roman over to cement him as the top talent of this era. Just let Roman beat Rock then let Cody beat Roman for the title. This is like Hogan coming back to end the CM Punk title reign back in 2011-2012. Yeah,Hogan would draw money but he doesn’t need the win, not the belt. Just make it a good feud , make him look strong and we can wrap it up as a good program that helped a younger talent.
For what? As I said in the video. Money
@@DaveKnowsWrestling whatever event The Rock is booked to be in is going to draw money regardless is he wins or loses. Hes not going to be here longterm. Putting the belt on him won’t make any sense. It would further benefit someone who’s there full time.
I mentioned in this very video how it would benefit and why it is the most financially viable option
The Rock vs Roman has been the company’s goal for YEARS and it was even more so after he turned heel and developed this new character. It almost seems tailor made for all this time to lead to Roman vs Rock
yeah? tell that to the dislikes that's reaching a million no one wants to see that match that's not a dream match!!!! and it's not gonna be be good the rock couldn't keep up with Cena at wm 29!!!! and that was 11 years ago!!!!
@@vampirascoffin870 could you be any more wrong? PLENTY OF PEOPLE WANT THIS MATCH AND HAVE WANTED IT FOR YEARS! It is indeed a dream match and one they've been building to ever since the bloodline formed! You Cody Marks are just acting like spoiled children because you can't get your way!
No, dude. No.
Fascinating video
I'll admit that I'm more in favor of an upcoming talent to get the rub against Reigns but there is no one in the roster at this time that fits that role aside established veterans. At this rate, i rather see Cody vs Rollins over the WHC than Cody vs Reigns II.
2024 is going to be another huge year for The Rock so I'm in favor of it if the Rock can make it work. Rock vs Reigns at WM is 🔥. Can't put that in the Elimination Chamber event.
If the Rock does win, I could see him doing something like what Logan Paul is doing right now, just as a face.
This makes perfect sense, I agree 1,000% Thanks for letting ppl know this a family story line so it makes for family to end it
Oh boy, Dave getting spicy today! I always appreciate the videos and this was no different!
Im totally for this whole thing. But... As someone told me. I would rather see Rock go for that necklace that defines the head of the table.... Not the title itself. That sends Roman second guessing and opens him up for a slip up and descent into madness
Makes more sense. Something valuable to their culture being taken away from Reigns will cause doubt and open him up for a massive L which is losing the belts. Like Zuko in Avatar facing his sister Azula, once she slowly descended into madness, he knew he had an advantage being more in control of his emotions. The Rock doesn't need to take the titles off Roman Reigns. He already has a Hall of Fame resume. A short 7 year prime yet he accomplished a lot in that time span. Great matches, promos, and moments, The Brahma Bull has done it all
In what possible way could wwe even benefit from that , we need a full time wrestler elevate the title not a part timer , ffs The Rock is not even a part timer anymore he’s a full blown Hollywood Actor now , he don’t deserve this
I spent the entire video telling you how WWE benefits. To sum it all up, it's financially. That's what those in the business are primarily concerned with. "Elevating" a fictional prop and its fictional status is what certain other people are concerned with
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Every single fan is concerned about the elevation of The ‘’Fictional’’ prop it’s facts .
Yes and the industry has a term for those fans
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Oh im sorry but some of the wrestlers today or in the past used to be those fans , just because someone don’t share the same wrestling vision with you doesn’t make them a ‘’ mark’’ DAVE .
It doesn't. It's believing in the prestige of a championship that isn't won but is scripted that makes someone a mark.
Love your insight
Cody should beat Roman, nobody else. A 50 year old part time hall of famer ending a 1000+ day title reign would just be stupid.
I think people have forgotten that cody's story isn't the first "story" that Roman has stopped dead in it's track. In 2021, WM37 was built up with Daniel Bryan and Edge both having their comback stories. Both valid, both had crowd support. Hell, I'd even go as far as to say Edge's comeback & redemption story was the most justified. And yet, Roman beat them both and crushed our dreams.
And 2024's WWE is a lot healthier than 2021 meaning their roster is so much more stacked with Talent. I could really see WWE keeping the title on Roman because they have some bigger plans for the next few years. Whatever happens, I'm just glad that we're at a place where noone can confidently predict how wrestlemania is going to end.
I agree. I also think people have forgotten that "finish the story" is just a scripted promo line
Great video Dave, although j don't believe rocks walking out of WM with the belt, you did make some compelling arguments and I'll be willing to eat crow if I'm wrong
I really appreciate your reasoning and articulation. A crappy host can absolutely ruin a channel, regardless of topic. Nice job.
It's true, the rock has never won a world title at WrestleMania 2000 what's the perfect time for the Rock to win the WWF championship, but he got screwed by the McMahon family.
Cody beating Roman would inspire MILLIONS around the world
who fail at some stage in life but never give up and later go on to succeed
"A hero needs to fail before reaching his moment"
That's the story they're telling
That's the story Cody has to finish
From Roman's perspective
The story they're telling is
"You need family"
The way he behaved with Jey Sami and probably will betray solo (reportedly they're gonna push him in singles run)
He's got to suffer the consequences
That is
This time,your family ain't here to save you
That's where roman realizes that he always needed his family and he shouldn't have kicked em out
THAT'S where the Rock story/Family story comes in
that's where rock tells roman that he's the real head of the table
he's the actual leader of their bloodline who treats everyone properly
and that's why Rock vs Roman MUST happen without ANY belt on the line!
You are dillusional about how much influence Cody has. I like Cody a lot, but he's not inspiring millions. Raw doesn't even crack two million viewers most of the time.
And I doubt he inspires all of those fans who are watching with his win when most of them know that wrestling is predetermined.
Besides, what good is inspiration? Can I spend it? TKO and WWE book with the bottom line in mind always. Accept it.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I still hope for them to end a beautiful storyline
Btw By millions i do not mean raw ratings
I mean many in the future are gonna see it too
They'll be able to relate it
We all know it's fake
But it's all about relateability
Most of us can relate to "hero getting tailed in life"
Moreover be it does bring in good numbers (if you're not being "dillusional")
I agree the numbers won't be as good as the rock
But
Rock ain't here to show his @ss every week
He doesn't care
He's here for a one off retirement match
About the belt
People who work hard deserve it imo
Cody has earned it(until you're being "dillusional")
I hope Cody wins
He can/will make good money too
And unlike the rock
He can do it IN LONG TERM
BUT
I hope we both are happy with whatever happens at wm 40!
Perhaps I should have worded it kinder. But I don't think now or in the future, there are going to be millions of people who are about to give up and then they think to themselves "Ya know what Cody did beat Roman" and then climb off their ledge or decide to work harder at their job or whatever.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling 😂that sounded funny for some reason
But yeah
Atleast what you said has happened with me
If Cody can do it
I can do it too
I and perhaps many see themselves as a hero like Cody Rhodes
So I think what you exactly said won't happen😂
But that'll definitely add a layer to some extent
Maybe give a lil push that is needed (if you know)
You're right though
Not millions
But MANY will get that
Especially who are competing for something
@@DaveKnowsWrestling SO cody vs roman at mania 40
rock probably at mania 41(and i hope not but reportedly at crown jewel)
Even though you did not get your wish
i hope you're happy with the match we'll get though!
atleast wrestling-wise the match would be better!
I need to watch this video, now I feel more optimistic about Rock vs. Reigns for Wrestlemania 40 if it does happen or not.
The rock needs to go back to Hollywood and make some more mediocre movies. It's OK if he shows up from time to time, cut some promos, and even wrestles a match. But as a champ. No.
Dave, the last thing we want to see is another Anoa’i as the top champion.
In the words of Cody Rhodes, “wrestling has more than one royal family”, but half of the overall wrestling fanbase views the Anoa’i Family as the only untarnished royal family in wrestling. They don’t give a fig about the Rhodes Family, the Hart Family, the families of the Four Horsemen, or even certain sides of the Anoa’i Family, like those who carry the name of “Maivia”. All they care about are the members who carry names of “Anoa’i”, “Fatu”, and even “Johnson”. To me, that is nothing but prejudice in the industry.
And by we, who exactly do you mean? Because as far as the masses are concerned, they say otherwise and have no idea who the Anoa'i family is. And they speak volumes more than you
@crictv2992 WWE was not running smoothly before The Rock came back. They needed Rock to sell Wrestlemania 27. At that point, Rock was already bigger than WWE in terms of relevance. Something that a quote on quote "deserving" wrestler never got. The fact of the matter is, no one is going to be a megastar on the level of Austin, Rock & Hogan. Punk isn't on that level, Daniel Bryan wasn't on that level & Cody Rhodes won't be on that level either.
I am not talking like WWE was nothing before Rock came back at all. Never said anything close to that. I am simply pointing out that when you are a major corporation, like WWE or TKO or whoever, no matter how well you are doing, you go for the option that makes the most money. And as for 2012-2013, yes Punk did not get the main event of WM28, the Rock did. And guess what, it was and still is the highest selling PPV of all time. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but it's simple pattern recognition that WWE follows the money.
And as for morally demotivating.. I say it is, but only to those who believe any of this is real
I admit it, you sold me on the idea. Ever since Cody, returned and cut that "finishing the story" promo on the Raw after WrestleMania, I wanted him to win. To beat Roman at WrestleMania and finish his story. The main reason was because I was engrossed in a great story with 2 of my favorite wrestlers. I think the moment to pull the trigger on Cody (if they were going to) was WM39. That time has gone and passed, and the story of The Rock is just as good. It makes sense and I can engross myself in another great story. The Rock makes sense story wise and in a business perspective. I just hope that if they do pull the trigger and have Rocky win, that they have a great match to go with this great story. Good video, Dave!
No. Lads it's 2024 . Roman reigns has received a monster push since 2015. It's been nearly ten years. A whole generation. Why give all that momentum to a 50 year old part timer who left WWE in 2003? Stop milking cash cows of a bygone era and start building future stars.
THANK YOU I KEEP SAYING THIS BUT I'M THE BAD GUY? SMFH
Who said you were the bad guy?
I agree that building future stars is important. I just don't think letting someone beat someone does the trick anymore. Austin Theory beat John Cena at Mania and no one cares. LA Knight got more over in the company than anyone and he didn't have to win anything. The way to build a star comes from more than just winning a match that we all know is predetermined
Can a cash in make it bigger? Whether it's Damien Priest or Cody(taking the briefcase before Mania)
Those were some great points honestly, and in short term success the rock beating roman reigns at WrestleMania to win the championship would be the best option, but for the first time in almost 20 years WWE has finally found themselves a new Megastar, a new top guy that sets records who's not even 40 yet, we don't know the next time we're gonna get a guy like this especially if you throw the biggest moment and the starting moment of their career to someone who everyone knows would be a transitional champion to another heel, and if the rock were to beat roman reigns after he called himself rhe tribal chief for half a decade breaking records then all of that would effectively be a joke, imagine looking back at a roman reigns match after that, "yeah, then roman lost to the rock and then the rock lost to grayson waller." No, that's not how you end that, roman reigns needs to lose to someone who'll have a career afterwards, someone that can say all of it was because of him, because of that moment at wrestlemania, that would really then make roman reigns a legend of the business, that would certify him as the modern day undertaker who's loss will mean something for years to come and made memories, that's why cody rhodes was THE guy even if he didn't have a long reign, Because eventually this era will be over and all of these guys will hsve double the star power to, and the reason for thst isn't because we were banking on older eras bringing Goldberg back for the 100th unmemorable time, but because we bet on ourselves.
You're right Rock dropping it to Grayson Waller wouldn't make Grayson a made man on principle. Because just dropping the strap has no inherent value. Which is why the Rock winning won't hurt either because that sword cuts both ways. And financial value is the primary concern for those in the business
@@DaveKnowsWrestlingRoman winning is financial value, it's proving he's the tribal chief and it elevates everyone he's beaten in that ring, the new generation needs to go over the old else it risks not being taken seriously.
the rock vs Roman reigns is the biggest match in wrestling right now, a match so big you can't doubt that the whole world will be watching, to a lot of them, the rock beat the random guy with wet hair and similar tattoos who's name you might have heard once, oh damn he was champion for that long? Cool I guess, But Roman goes over and all of a sudden, he's Roman reigns, the badass who beat the rock at WrestleMania and damn is he Believable, it's a passing of the torch moment that actually works because the torch has already been passed, the rock winning just to maybe generate more headlines for WWE even though he's already their spokesperson for life is pointless long term, btw Grayson Waller would definitely become the most hated man in WWE if he beat the rock so I guess it wouldn't be that bad, but still less memorable than a huge babyface win to carry the company long term which is what WWE could really use right now
I don't understand why some fans think long term plans can only begin with this year's Mania. Rock can win. Make money. And then start the next thing after. And all the money doesn't go anywhere. You still get to keep it.
Plus all this supposed elevation is not dependent on the title
@@DaveKnowsWrestling its not beginning with this year's mania it should be consistent that's why it's called long term
So Roman should hold onto the belt forever? It's not clear what you're saying
Could you do a history video on Intergender Wrestling and give your thoughts on it?
Rock vs roman just works on so many levels ots gotta happen
I think the only question is how much can you get the title off the rock later on.
I’m of two minds. Actually three, there’s a few ways this could go that make sense.
-Pure booking: Rock vs Roman at EC, Roman wins clean and looks like the ultimate final boss heading into Mania where he drops the belt to Cody, making Cody look like the ultimate babyface for the rest of 2024.
-Pure business: Rock vs Roman at Mania, Rock wins for all the reasons you stated.
-Pure history: It doesn’t matter who Roman faces or when, because he retains the title at least through next September and breaks Hogan’s record.
In re: my first point, I’m assuming Punk will win the Rumble and challenge Seth while Cody wins EC and challenges Roman.
Pure booking: MUST HAPPEN
Pure business: won't happen
Pure history: GOD i hope that doesn't happen
The Rock? No... Beating Roman should elevate someone ( L.A. Knight? )
Dave I was abandon all hope in the beginning my daughter changed my name
Roman is due a break and some time off from WWE! He is definitely dropping the belts at Mania but none of the current roster is able to dethrone him! The only one that makes sense is the Rock! It ticks all the boxes on every level to let Rock win but what happens after Mania with the Rock as champion? That’s the only concern.
I have to give it to you, I started the video disagreeing. Now that it's over I don't mind the idea.
I'm not entirely against the idea of another Rocky Title run, but in my opinion,timing is everything. I would say avoid Mania because we don't need another Walkout due to bad feelings. But I am open to seeing it happen at a later date. Possibly MITB or Summerslam.
BTW ty for the shout-out always Buddy! I kept my word and I am stepping back into the ring asap
I doubt there would be a walkout. And I hope you have a safe and happy return
@@DaveKnowsWrestling let's hope not! And most definitely and 🍻 to you and the success of your channel and overall you. You're cool in my Book Sir Dave!
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The Rock putting a end to Roman character make senses but i hope WWE does good in this storyline because i havw lost hype because how much i waited and plus the Rock showing up and chalenging Roman out knowhere does not make me hype at all.
I had a whole speech cooked up in the comments down here before your last point, but that was a fair point. I still don't want the Rock (or Cody, or for the love of God Brock Lesnar since he'll likely be back for a WM payday) to be the one to finally beat Roman, but I'd be interested to see statistics of up and coming title holders vs has-beens.
It would be an interesting research project but the problem comes into play with who counts as an up and comer. Like is AJ Styles one? My overall point is that making a star seldom has to do with solely giving someone a title. It's all the work outside of that that matters. And so giving it to the Rock is not damaging. It's just profitable
@@Armintanzarian1 I just can't stand Cody. All of his promos sound like an actor struggling to remember his lines.
How is Roman is anywhere close to Hulkamania? And it's even funnier that you use that as your example because you just proved my point. Because who took the belt off of Hogan after his 3 year run? Was it an new up and comer? No, it was the seasoned veteran and mega draw, Andre the Giant
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I think he meant Cody was the second coming of Hulkamania. Though I disagree. Cody is popular, but WWE isn't going to let anyone get that over ever again.
He can speak for himself. But if that is what he means, then it's even more dillusional than I thought
Seriously is this headline serious omfg
6:53 Are we all just going to ignore #3?
Ive brought it up multiple times
Dave, you have to be joking.
As much as The Rock winning the WWE championship once again will be a great fairy tale story let's just be honest with ourselves. That would be a terrible decision simply because it ruins the match that everyone wants to see (Rhodes v Reigns 2) and it also takes away CM punk's LONG OVERDUE WrestleMania main event marquee match. Let's not forget part of the reason why CM punk left the WWE in the first place is because even as WWE champion he never got to main event WrestleMania. I'm just worried that we're going to get a match that we don't really want to see. And that's not saying that the rock can't put "butts in seats" I just don't want another overhype match that became underwhelming.
By everyone wants to see you really mean you. The Rock calling out Roman topped the social media record. You have to view outside yourself
@@DaveKnowsWrestling you are correct Dave I want to see Cody Rhodes beat Roman reigns so he can" finish his story". But to be fair and you making a great point the rock is a record-setting guy so anything he does is not only going to immediately trend all over social media. It's also going to give WWE ratings and because he's the rock he's an instant draw.
Horrible video man, and I dsy this as a fan of yours. Most of your takes are "because it will make money" and I really dont care about that, I have no stock on WWE after all. I just want a good product with good storyline. You contradictorio yourself saying it needs to be at wmania because audiences will be massive but you also say that internacional shows already have massive audiences anyways. The Rock doesn't need a other title, the match will probably be lame, and as you said yourself, if he wins he will drop it soon, which will be a waste. Roman's defeat puts over the next guy. The Rock defeat will mean nothing to anybody.
You misunderstood the point of audience comment. The point is that audiences for foreign shows are massive no matter what. Filling a football stadium in Philly is not a guarantee unless you have a strong main event. And yes I do talk about money a lot and understand it's not your concern. But I feel fans overlook finances. Like it or not it is the most important part of a promotions decisions. Plus, it is indicative of what the masses like and not just hardcore fans. It's more important to please more people than the few. Even if we are part of the few
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Wrestlemania will make bank no matter what. It's wmania! They dont need The Rock to make it work. If it was anote B tier PLE, sure, maybe. And again, your video was about why The Rock needs to defeat Roman and I still remains unconvinced. You talk about it being a great story but what's good about a part time whose best days are way in the pasta getting the most coveted prize in wrestling from final boss Roman? Nobody wins there. The Rock drops the title later in a B tier PLV or even worse, he hijacks it for a year and drops it at wmania 41 in a other lackluster match. Nah, sounds awful no matter what. The Eockhould lose TO Roman and the Roman should give the rub to a proper full timer, most likely Cody.
Wrestlemanias tickets do fluctuate in sales. As I said, it's not about just doing well it's about the most financially viable option. More people will buy tickets to see the Rock vs Roman than anyone else on the card. What am I basing this off of? While no one knows for sure, I base this off of the social media record and the merch sales and everything I mentioned in this video.
I also am not trying to convince you. As I don't think there is any convincing you in particular. The reason why I brought up typical internet mentality in the start of this episode was because as I said, it tends to blind people from recognizing the pattern that's right in front of them.
WWE books like a business not based off of what the IWC wants. They made Jinder champ to try and make money. Thats how far theyre willing to go.
And the story of the bloodline is about family and the Rock is family. And again I explained this already.
I didn't say "Wrestlemanias don't sell"
I personally like to give wrestlers a Dragonball comparison in terms of their current sitting on who they can or cannot beat. For the main eventers who are booked strong, the face is Goku, the heel is Frieza, the insanely scary strong heel is Cell, and scary strong face is Super Saiyan Goku. The step below is Gohan for a face, and Vegeta for a heel, they can put up a damn strong fight and maybe pull an upset, but they're not currently strong enough to beat a Goku of Frieza. The next step down is Krillin for a face, and Nappa for a heel, they're capable of winning fights with people of medium strength, but they stand no chance of fighting a Goku or Frieza, but maybe can pull an upset against a Gohan or Vegeta. Then the jobbers are Yamcha and Emperor Pilaf. The only fights they can win is against local competitors.
With this being said, I see The Rock as the Goku of the WWE, and Roman Reigns as the Cell of the WWE, so it would be amazing booking wise if The Rock won, but Roman also stands a chance in winning. Plus, whoever The Rock drops the world title to will basically already be on the Goku/Frieza standing due to their momentum building up to that, making them the next top face of heel, which could likely be LA Knight or Gunther.
When you use this analogy, just note that the people who are hopelessly angry want Krillin to beat Cell. Not Goku, not Vegeta, not future Trunks, not Gohan, not Piccolo, not even Tien...but frickin' Krillin.
I thought Rock had deals with other entertainment franchises that forbade him from doing any outside activity that might be dangerous.
I knew Rock-Roman had to be at Wrestlemania if it was gonna happen, but Roman's title reign surpassing one of Bruno's in terms of longevity was not in the cards at the time. Neither were the signings of Cody or Punk. So I'm guessing this is how Cody gets his heel turn/title run if Rock gets his reign before him.
Don't believe everything you read in the dirt sheets
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I 💯 agree with you dave sadly we all know why he's back and it's to job.
I’m all for Rock/Reigns BUT it doesn’t need the title and it kills Cody’s long term storyline too.
It’s a perfect example of how short sighted WWE still are as what happens after Rock/Reigns ? Rock isn’t staying around after WrestleMania 40 IF it were to happen.
People have become tired of Reigns run as champion which peaked between Summerslam in 2022 and WrestleMania 39, do they attempt to limp along to Summerslam for Cody to win the title and dim the moment ?
I much prefer the idea of Rock fending off Solo and Jimmy from interfering in Cody/Reigns 2 thus allowing Cody to cleanly beat Reigns and complete his storyline to become champion.
Then you get to do a year long build to Rock/Reigns, have Reigns disappear for a couple of months then to do cross promotion have Reigns turn up on a movie set that Rock is working on and ‘brutally attack’ Rock.
Have Reigns come out to enter the Royal Rumble 2025 match and clear the ring and then the countdown to the next person is on and Rock’s music hits, they brawl all around the arena thus eliminating each other and setting up Rock/Reigns for WrestleMania 41.
I have never subscribed to the "doesn't need the title" mentality. That level of thinking is how we get a reign of terror
@@DaveKnowsWrestling in some cases yes you’re right but did Hogan/Rock or Cena/Rock need a title ? Both matches were far bigger than the title matches on those PPV’s.
Rock/Reigns is such a personal storyline that the title would be completely forgotten about and very much secondary to the ‘Head Of The Table’ title, having the title as an afterthought at WrestleMania would be criminal.
Then you have the problem of Rock winning and the title is vacant the following week as Rock isn’t staying past possibly Raw the night after WrestleMania or Reigns winning and his own reign of terror continuing, it’s basically booking themselves into a no win situation regarding the title.
I find it funny that you mention Rock and Cena not needing the title when they went against each other the following year for the title. The point is, the best match should be for the title. The champion makes the championship not the other way around
@@DaveKnowsWrestling because the company booked a rematch and the only way they could attempt to make it bigger was to use the title but do you think it worked and Cena/Rock 2 was bigger because of the title ?
You’re 100% right and the best or biggest match should be for the title BUT in reality that went out the window years ago when PPV’s were being main evented by the biggest feuds or biggest draws over who was champion
Do you believe Rock stays around for longer than the night after WrestleMania if he beats Reigns ? The only way I see it working if Rock beat Reigns would be for Priest to beat Rock on Raw the night after WrestleMania but even then the rub of being the one to beat Reigns for the title is wasted on someone who doesn’t need it and WWE do NEED new draws and made stars.
Explaining why the match needed the title doesn't change that it still did. And my point is that the biggest draws should be the champions. And Roman has been exactly that for the past three years overall. So I don't see that as being an out the window idea. Further more the Rock doesn't need to be there all the time. Roman isnt. And by your rationale, why can't whoever beats the Rock become a new star. If you can transfer heat that should work. But if it doesn't work it only proves my point that the idea of passing the torch has never really been true
Good points overall. But i think what the commentors in this section are thinking about one BIG mainstream Pop title win vs The Long Term journey of Cody Rhodes. My(and i think a lot of fans) take is The Rock can totally end the Bloodline ,but doesn't need to dethrone Roman to do it . Cause the long term fans NEED to be rewarded, cause if Cody doesn't finish the Story at 40. Then he'll become a Nobody and any future title win won't matter as much. Cause that moment was sacrificed for a mainstream win that'll only be relevant for about a Month.
I guess its one shot BIG money win vs creating a new long term draw.
I get you but disagree. Also the "finish the story" thing is something I don't understand why the IWC holds onto it so dearly. Hhh addressed this in the press conference last year. And it doesn't make Cody a nobody. He didnt win it at 39 and he topped the merch sales for Dec. Cody has become more endeared to fans from not winning at Mania, proving that winning a belt is not the end all be all of getting over. Thus making it no big deal if the Rock wins
Rock was the one on WWE idea to dethrone roman regins that why trible chiff got un beaten so rock come out beat him rock refuce every time but now WWE has new star bulit in Cody Rhodes he sell merch sold live event making money for WWE the guy that WWE want back he never ask them for comeback why would you should spoil his moment rock should have face roman last year but not now when you got a year of building story of Cody fan will turn on thats match it's total injustice for Cody Rhodes busting his ass for year to find out his moment given to rock with all love to rock it's time for Cody Rhodes
I’ve got no problem with The Rock winning the Royal Rumble & the Title in the main event of WrestleMania XL but I hope it’s not gonna be a Champ today gone tomorrow. The Rock should stay on as Champ until at least SummerSlam this year where it would be acceptable for him to drop it if not at this year’s Survivor Series etc
This is the thing mate, no way in the world Rock stays past maybe the Raw the night after WrestleMania as his film schedule and insurance won’t allow him too so it’s a one and done deal created simply to boost WrestleMania viewers.
The market research deems it necessary also The Rock’s schedule between April & August could be doable right now plus The Rock could just only keep the strap until SummerSlam and in those months The Rock does Hollywood stuff in that time between Raws, Smackdowns & other PPV’s he could be a walking billboard sign promoting WWE more as World Champ to try & attract new fans between April & August with on set photos, Film premieres and festivals carrying the belt around while someone new who rises to move merchandise hopefully emerges to take the strap at SummerSlam. It wouldn’t be the first time a WWE World Champ was kept off TV to be saved for certain appearances & PPV’s as long before Brock Lesnar the Old WWF did it with Hulk Hogan and many others all the time in the 80’s & 90’s
You make some excellent and completely valid points, but I still think the WWE should keep moving towards the future, the story of Cody should be finished, sure you could do something with the rock but I just feel so strongly about Cody Vs Roman at mania to finish the story
Cody vs Roman is dead in water
I don't understand how people got so married to this idea that Cody has to dethrone Roman. And why his little catchphrase in his promo last year somehow gets treated as factual evidence when it's a scripted line that hhh has already debunked
@@DaveKnowsWrestling They got so attached to this line, they believe it should take priority over the biggest match. Cody's "star power" is vastly overrated, if not misleading. You can just tell going by the metrics of ratings and even the UA-cam numbers if you want to count that metric too.
I like Cody. I think he is a tremendous top tier talent. I just don't understand why a promo line is being taken so seriously
It should be Jinder Mahal!!!!
You're a bad person
And giving your own comment a like. It's pathetic
WrestleMania has already been Sold Out for a While. So, it's really irrelevant if The Rock shows up at Mania or not. Furthermore, The Rock doesn't have the stamina to do a WrestleMania caliber match anymore. Period.Thats not hate either. I've been a huge fan of The Rock since 1998 when I was 16. That little 1 minute physical altercation between The Rock and Jinder Mahal totally Gassed him. You say forget about his age? Well, you can't really do that. He's almost 52 years old and hasn't had a WrestleMania main event in 11 years and even then he got injured. Now, as I've mentioned, he can't "GO" like he needs to Go in a WrestleMania main event match. It won't happen.
Mania not sold out at all. There plenty of tickets left. Don't know where you got that from. And yes he did gassed with that Jinder exchange. But my overall point is the match quality is irrelevant if WWE is booking like a business and going for the payday. Which they typically are
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WWE should do rock vs roman at night 1 at WrestleMania rock win
Night 2 rock vs Cody Rhodes where rock drop at WrestleMania 40
The rock winning the belt would be the absolute worst thing that could happen. Whoever beats roman would get such a huge rub. The last time that worked was drew vs lesnar
Agreed completely. Also I'm tired of part-time wrestlers getting the rub because they want a Mania payday. I think it should go to Cody in all honesty, the guy has been incredible since his return.
I like Drew, but I can't give it to you that Brocks momentum rubbed off on him. Especially without fans in attendance. Drew was treading water before his heel turn. And even now he's not on Lesnars level. That's not a sign that he got the rub. It's a sign that this type of booking doesn't work anymore
@@DaveKnowsWrestling him eliminating Lesnar at the rumble was a star making moment. Every single person in that stadium was behind him. And ever since, he can be slotted into a main event program and feel right at home. It certainly solidified him as a main eventer for years to come
I can concede that it solidified his main event status. But I don't think it solidified him as a champion, unfortunately. I can't stand Lesnar and think he's been way over pushed. But his level at the top of WWE is leaps and bounds over Drew. That isn't a torch pass, it's Drew being slightly warmed by Brocks fire
Who's this Drew guy? I know who the Rock is that's why I clicked on this. I also heard of Lesnar but not this Drew guy.
Hear me out the tv show young rock has already spoiled it :)
dave you always the complete opposite your opinion makes no sense of this , now i wanna hear your take when roman buried seth and that secondary title which roman said was true , the rock doesnt need to beat roman whats the purpose your reasons makes no sense
Well, if you think after this video and the subsequent video, my position makes no sense, then I doubt clarifying it here is even possible. Especially since I'm not even sure what you're trying to say in your comment
Ni, he is way too old,.There are fans who are legal adults that were not born the last time he held a bet in the WWE. It will bury the rest of the roster. This is Hogan version 2. To be honest the fact his merch sells as much as it does should be concerning to the WWE.
11 year olds are not legal adults. And I agree the merch sales should be concerning to WWE to a degree. But it doesn't change that making money is the goal
Great video! As much as Cody is fantastic and would be an amazing main event, we already had the same thing last year, you know. That was the time to pull the trigger, stretching it over 2 Wrestlemania’s just seems like a bit much.
Rock vs Roman is a historic opportunity, I mean it doesn’t get much bigger. And this might sound crazy, but hear me out. Have Rock win the title, then Raw after Mania have Cody come out and congratulate him. Then just viciously attack him, like really lay into him and go crazy. “THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MY STORY!! You part time, Hollywood asshole, you stole it from me!!”
Completely shock the hell out of people, take the whitest of white meat babyfaces and give him a legit, believable vendetta to turn him. Maybe make him more of a tweener, cause people will still cheer him anyway. And there, now you got a heated Rock/Cody feud to follow it up, and a new layer to Cody’s character.
If they do put the title on Rock, it’d feel wasteful to just have the Roman feud be a one and done. Maybe Roman takes some time off and they pick up the feud later, but that would make Rock’s feud with Cody somewhat feel like filler. I want Cody to have his moment they way he dreamed it, in front of a huge crowd and as a face, but if they are gonna deny him that, I like the justified heel angle you’re pitching. It’s built in. And then he can truly play up the American Nightmare gimmick, similar to how he was on the indies before AEW.
I feel like there’s also a lot of storytelling potential with Cody dethroning Roman Reigns with his whole ‘finish the story’ storyline and he’d benefit a lot better than someone like The Rock would from winning the big one BUT The Rock is my favourite wrestler of all time and I gotta be honest, I’d be super happy to see him win the big one once more
Sure, let's take the title off of ONE part time wrestler and put it on an even MORE part time wrestler. How about we stop this nonsense and just take the title off of Reigns and put it on someone who deserves it? The Rock hasn't been relevant to wrestling in over a decade, neither has John Cena or the Undertaker (maybe not quite as long) can the WWE maybe stop with the ridiculous nostalgia and work more on making bigger stars? Or using the ones they already have instead of trotting out yet MORE nostalgia?
Well, as for the WWE title specifically, it came from Brock, another part timer. And WWE has been doing just fine since. They do it because it works. And I do agree they need to build new stars. But when we look at Cody and LA Knight and the like, they're stars, and they never won the big one. There's more to star power than the title
@@DaveKnowsWrestling so, all they want is headlines? What is the point of having a part time world champion? To the point where you had to create a second (third?) World title just to give the illusion that you have a world champion? How does this benefit the company in any way? Nostalgia is ruining wrestling.
What's the point? I apparently can't make this clear enough... money. Fans tend to think of things like the prestige and the emotions behind decisions. WWE only cares with how much it profits. As soon as you shift your thinking to that, WWE choices start to make more sense. You don't have to like it but you can at least understand it.
And I already tackled the nostalgia thing and it's no where near as over dramatic as you're making it out to be