S&W Model 41 Accuracy Test

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  • @garystrobel7969
    @garystrobel7969 6 років тому +23

    Loose groups. Think that shooter error was the major contributor to the group sizes.

  • @fredbrooks796
    @fredbrooks796 5 років тому +3

    I own one that was given to me by my father made a 1964. With the original Box and sales receipt bought at a hardware store. It has the cocking pin indicator on it . no matter what ammunition I put through it it's all within a quarter at 25 yards, thank you Dad.

  • @gerryk3114
    @gerryk3114 8 років тому +4

    I have found the CCI Standard Velocity to be the most consistent and accurate ammo.
    I don't have the money to be buying the high priced "Target" ammo.
    But who needs it when CCI Standard Velocity does the trick.
    Guns: 10/22TD, 22/45 MK III, SR22, S&W M&P22 compact, S&W 22Victory !!

  • @leonardbullock599
    @leonardbullock599 6 років тому +18

    Not a particularly accurate test in my view. My Model 41 shoots 10 shot 25 yd groups off sandbags of about one inch with several brands of ammo. At 75 years of age my eyes and steadiness are not great. This gun will shoot much better!

  • @campsitez2355
    @campsitez2355 8 років тому +7

    2:13 You shouldn't lie to people like that. You wear Glasses and those groups wouldn't even score an ~80 at 25 yards and that pistol should be more than capable of that. In other words, you're shooting ability produced most of what's seen there rather than the ammo. Did you consider the idea that you shot one target BEFORE the other? Maybe that was the major factor since it seems like you're out of practice? Did I mention the glasses? I did.

  • @davidware7190
    @davidware7190 7 років тому +4

    If you are going to test a S&W M 41 for accuracy with any ammo it should be done at 50 yards from a machine rest . Why? The pistol was designed for match shooting starting at 50 yards and the machine rest eliminates operator error with sight alignment .

    • @geraldmahle9833
      @geraldmahle9833 4 роки тому

      Haunt the Net. I found an almost unused Ransom Rest with two sets of inserts for App. $300. Good buy! Install a rigid mount at a 50-yard range and you'll soon know something.

  • @sd4052
    @sd4052 9 років тому +1

    I think you're right about Eley. A few years ago I picked up a 500 round brick of it (the gold old days) and it was excellent. I found a couple of 50 round boxes at the gun shop I always go to and at the range it didn't even come close to the CCI standard velocity that I usually shoot.

  • @gaochao0418
    @gaochao0418 5 років тому +3

    I shoot lots of bullseye matches with my 41, the gun the way more accurate than me, but I still get a better group with one hand and standing position.

  • @hoobeydoobey1267
    @hoobeydoobey1267 6 років тому +1

    The issue may be the gun. My M41 has been back to the factory 4 times. This last time they tested and returned the target stating the accuracy was within limits. I bought the gun around 2001. I also have a Ruger Mk2 bbl (MK512) that will outshoot the M41. I bought the Ruger for informal plinking and the M41 for bullseye competition. Sadly, the Ruger ended up doing the bulk of my competition because the M41 wasn't up to the task. When I first bought it, it would jam on feeding the second round into the barrel and drop the clip immediately following the first shot. Sometimes the mag would fall out before the first shot was fired. They fixed that issue but there were still other issues including accuracy. When I spoke with their custom shop the man said they don't test them prior to leaving or upon return for inaccuracy. They replace the barrel and send it back out. I was getting 1" groups and better with the Ruger at 25 yards and 3" with the M41. The test target they returned this last time shows an almost 1" group, but I've yet to find what ammo they used. I've tried most every round available in my area to no avail. Green Tag is good, but still not 1".

    • @geraldmahle9833
      @geraldmahle9833 4 роки тому

      Three inches at 25 yards? Dump that dog and get an original production 41. Sheesh.

  • @51Dss
    @51Dss 9 років тому +2

    I wonder if that Eley ammo is designed specifically for certain barrel lengths and for more specific distance to target. It would be interesting to see how the two different types of ammo compared in a true match rifle at true match distance and being fired by a true champion match shooter. Eley ammo may or may not be better than the bulk ammo in such conditions but I'm betting that it is better / more accurate - or at least would have consistently smaller groupings. In my mind the only way to get a true reading on accuracy (gun and ammo) is to lock the gun in a shooting vice and in an area protected from wind and run the gun with absolute minimum human input - is there such thing as a mechanical or remote trigger puller? Then you will be able determine accuracy without any doubt.

    • @johnnelson585
      @johnnelson585 3 роки тому +1

      Spot on 51 Dss , great to see common sense displayed.

  • @FLSTCmerlin
    @FLSTCmerlin 8 років тому +2

    Nice vid! Thanks! But I wonder if the Model 41 is the same as most guns where you just have to find its favorite ammo by trial. Economics force me to find out which cheaper brand of ammo works best in each gun. CCI is almost always King.

  • @concernedcitizen3997
    @concernedcitizen3997 6 років тому +1

    just shot a 41 today, browning ammo was horrible, had 12 hang fires out of 60 shots, not to mention there was a round loose in the box...no cartridge attached. QC sucked that day in the Browning plant

    • @EuroGuy85
      @EuroGuy85 6 років тому

      concerned citizen
      😆

  • @Rascal77s
    @Rascal77s 9 років тому +2

    Beautiful gun. If you can get your hands on Norma Tac-22 ammo I highly recommend you try it. It has been a top performer in every 22 pistol and rifle that I've shot it through.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  9 років тому

      I`ve got a few boxes of it, but have not used it in this gun yet.

    • @waynes.1118
      @waynes.1118 8 років тому

      +Rascal77s
      Make sure you have something to wipe your hands with if you handle that ammo. It's coated with some sort of lube. Shoots ok if you can live with slimy hands.

  • @TheWowowo
    @TheWowowo 7 років тому +1

    Campsite great comment. Without being too harsh to Ol' Shep, SW 41 anything at 25m, two handed on sandbags that isn't driving tacks is unacceptable. Shep shoots up & left I'd say he has a little arthritis and tightens his grip when trigger finger squeezes. Thanks for the SW41 video Shep.

    • @j.m.4816
      @j.m.4816 6 років тому

      wetherman21 21 .....Cringe!

  • @onmilo
    @onmilo 10 років тому +2

    My Model 41 doesn't group well with Remington or Eley ammunition.
    Best is CCI Green Tag and Pistol Match.
    Unfortunately both are impossible to find right now.
    CCI Standard Velocity and Winchester T-22 pretty good and available.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      This one likes Remington Standard velocity target and CCI Standard velocity the best of anything I`ve used in it.

  • @1Skeptik1
    @1Skeptik1 4 роки тому +1

    That Model 41 is a fine piece of hardware. As for the accuracy test - the human element and environment are huge wild cards. No offense, but I have a vintage MK 1 Ruger with a 3X scope on top and a trigger job. I will outshoot you benched every time (scoped vs iron sights) with CCI std. velocity. I shot High Standard in my competition days. Regards

  • @davidwagner4355
    @davidwagner4355 10 років тому

    That rem is getting better. Great gun an video

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      The Remington bulk ammo I was using was actually older stuff that had been in the back of the ammo cabinet. It was probably at least 10 years old.

  • @leonardmartin6325
    @leonardmartin6325 8 років тому +1

    Wow Eley haters!!! Just got my model 41 couple days ago finally got to shooting it. 50 rounds Eley target, 50 rounds of cci standard, and 50 Aguila pistol match. The Eley wins on all accounts. Perfect performance and superb accuracy! Aguila second. Cci biggest and several cycling issues.

  • @leonardmartin6325
    @leonardmartin6325 8 років тому

    Oh I need to say the Eley high velocity hollow points are fantastic out of my Uberti low wall rifle. Squirrels within80 yards are in deep trouble. The Eley sub sonic hollow points are loved by my cz ultra lux. 2 inch groups at 100 yards are common!!!!!!!! My heritage rough rider loves Eley sub sonically as well shooting 1 inch groups at 20 yards not bad for a gun I paid $150 for!! Eley is awesome!!!!!!!

  • @zaknafein641
    @zaknafein641 9 років тому +1

    If you want good .22 target ammo, go for Lapua... or Eley Tenex

  • @Gunsandfun1961
    @Gunsandfun1961 10 років тому +1

    My favorite all time 22 pistol,...awesome,....

  • @bluetunder40
    @bluetunder40 10 років тому +1

    Cool video Bro!

  • @61zulu77
    @61zulu77 3 роки тому +1

    Different lots of the same ammo show different performances. That is why serious target shooter try out different lots and when they hit a sweet spot that their guns like, they buy up the WHOLE LOT for practice and competition.

  • @lutherprice2062
    @lutherprice2062 Рік тому

    My friend just bought a beautiful Model 41 but it has an issue with ejection and failure to feed. He bought it off GunBroker, I understand why the man sold it now. He’s bringing it over later today so I can run a bore scope and check it for carbon ring build up and give it a good cleaning. I have an assortment of 22lr ammo so we’re going to take it to the range and see if we can get this beauty working again. Also, if it doesn’t do better than 1” at 25yds off a sandbag it would find another home. Has anyone had this issue with the S&W 41? Good video 1957Shep. Thanks

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  Рік тому

      If one of these has feeding problems, the magazine would be the first thing I would look at.

    • @lutherprice2062
      @lutherprice2062 Рік тому

      @@1957Shep I’ve talked to a few friends that have or have had these over the years and that was the first thing they said. One trick I tried wasa drop of Ballistrol on the top bullet in the mag, didn’t help. The one issue I noticed is the ejector loses the empty brass on the way out which tells me there is carbon build up in the chamber. I’ll know more this afternoon when I borescope it and give the barrel a good cleaning. After a good BoreTech C4 soak and maybe Kroil and JB Polish it should be like new. Wish me luck😂

  • @rls303
    @rls303 10 років тому +1

    Another great pistol/test, Thanks

  • @derplinkster
    @derplinkster 10 років тому

    Great rewiew wondered if Ely was up to par maybe a bad run they are making .22 as fast as possible because demand is high thanks for sharing info.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому +1

      The Eley has shot pretty good in rifles, but not so well in pistols.
      And even in rifles like the Kimber 82, some other much cheaper ammo will do better.

  • @SpecificLove7
    @SpecificLove7 10 років тому +1

    interesting outcome

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому +1

      That Eley Target ammo seems to do well in rifles, but not very good in most pistols.

    • @gedgar2000
      @gedgar2000 6 років тому +2

      Meaningless. The shooting was too bad. OP operator error.

  • @ronkay1573
    @ronkay1573 6 місяців тому

    I would try different ammo. That pistol should shoot one inch groups or less at that distance.

  • @garypudup2109
    @garypudup2109 7 років тому +2

    try holding your trigger finger back after the shot, that will improve your accuracy...

  • @410mossberg
    @410mossberg 10 років тому

    Could be the age of your Eley. Some of that stuff can mess up due to exposure to moisture, humidity, climate, etc. My Smith 41 isn't overly sensitive to different ammos but then I always used relatively new ammo in it. Just a thought. Thanks for the great video

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      This is new ammo.
      The older stuff I referred to in video was used up years ago.

  • @barryperdue7520
    @barryperdue7520 2 роки тому

    the Eley ammo is likely too slow for the barrel twist. Just a hundred and fifty feet per sec. faster can make all the difference.

  • @_zombiezone
    @_zombiezone 5 років тому +1

    My model 41 5.5 shoot 1 hole in 25 yards,

  • @bobjones263
    @bobjones263 9 років тому +3

    Federal or CCI standard velocity shoots much better. The only 22 that Remington bullets shoot well in is the Ruger 22.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  9 років тому +1

      bob jones These days you use whatever 22 ammo you can find.

    • @bobjones263
      @bobjones263 9 років тому

      1957Shep Yeah for sure. I had a couple of 41 smiths and a High Standard made in Hamden, Connecticut. The HS out shot the 41 but not much. In the 70s and early 80s Federal made a high velocity round that was very good quality. On sandbags the HS would strike a kitchen match. There is a fairly new 22 out called the Volquartsen Scorpion. Never shot it but from what I saw it would put almost one hole sandbagged at not only 25, but 100 yards with any 22 ammunition on the market. Check out the videos on it.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  9 років тому

      bob jones I`ll see if I can find it.
      The Eley ammo I was using didn`t shoot all that good in any pistol I tried it in. But it did shoot pretty good in rifles.

    • @bobjones263
      @bobjones263 9 років тому

      1957Shep Eley is ok with rifles. I tried it once in both models HS and Smith and never shot it again. CCI Blazer ammo shot well in both but hands down wouldn't hang with Federal ammo. The Scorpion will out shoot both these guns. Volquartsen has a good reputation of making barrels for 22s for competition.

    • @campsitez2355
      @campsitez2355 8 років тому +2

      The groups he shot were outside of reasonable group variance. So we can rule out the ammo. Have you considered the idea that he's out of practice and he shot one target before the other and that's why an improvement is noticed?

  • @hempseedaddict
    @hempseedaddict 10 років тому

    Distances and function might matter too? I like remington for far away but federal for fast smooth levering.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      The Eley Target seems to work pretty well for accuracy in rifles, but not very good in pistols.

  • @SlimCowboy
    @SlimCowboy 6 років тому

    Cold barrel vs warm barrel????

  • @KYTO82
    @KYTO82 10 років тому

    Nice pistol Shep!

  • @kavinskysmith4094
    @kavinskysmith4094 10 років тому

    It could be that because of the ammo shortage that this particular batch of ammo was rushed out, and thus it doesnt shoot as well as the old stuff.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      It did better in the Kimber 82 rifle. But even in that rifle a couple of brands of much cheaper ammo did better

    • @kavinskysmith4094
      @kavinskysmith4094 10 років тому

      ah, oh also I nearly forgot I wanted to recommend something to you
      the smith and wesson 4006,
      as after having some trigger time with it , it has a very revolver like DA and SA trigger pull, as if the gun was designed to be used by people who's primary forte was Double action shooting.
      although mind you I had to get the extractor replaced and the trigger play spring had to be pushed back into place
      but after that that worn out gun really shoots well, but it is chunky.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      Kavinsky Smith I have a gun very similar to the 4006. A model 1006. Slightly larger gun in 10mm.

    • @kavinskysmith4094
      @kavinskysmith4094 10 років тому

      yeah but that was the single stack based on the 4506,
      the 4006 was a redesigned and redone 5906/659 upped to .40 call and has a different feel from the 645 that the 4506 and 1006 are based on.
      although I must admit I dont know if the 1006, nor the 4506 would have that same trigger feel to it as the 4006.
      but nonetheless I wanted to give you a heads up on it as I knew you were a revolver guy.

  • @josenav6307
    @josenav6307 8 років тому

    Hi, great test with M41. Have you ever tested M41 5,5" between 7" 3/8 ?. Could you explain your opinion.
    Thanks

  • @jamesludan557
    @jamesludan557 7 років тому

    if you want to test a pistol or rifle accucacy without human error you MUST use a ransom rest NOT sand bags. it locks the weapon in a static position and you don't touch the trigger with your finger but with a metal release. a true barrel should have all shots touching. a really good shooting facility should have one available

  • @CumberlandOutdoorsman
    @CumberlandOutdoorsman 3 роки тому +1

    Those groups are not really evident of what the S&W 41 can do at that range. As with most of us, human error plays a huge factor. Nice pistol you have there though. Here is a test that more accurately shows the potential of the model 41. ua-cam.com/video/RCEiIY9pj8Y/v-deo.html

  • @camk31
    @camk31 9 років тому +1

    The problem your having is switching from lubricated ammo to non lubed ammo. It usually takes 30 rounds of lubed ammo to season the barrel for consistency, in switching back to non lubed ammo the non lubed ammo will usually benefit from the seasoned barrel for a five to 10 rounds but then start to shoot like you would expect bulk pack ammo to shoot. Another issue you may be having is if your ammo is for a rifle or a pistol. Eley does tailor their ammo for either rifle or pistol. I just use Wolf match ammo. It shoots excellent in anything you put it in. Next time you do this test, shoot 50 rounds per test and you will have more accurate results. Another thing, don't clean your barrel. Most target .22s don't really start shooting until you have put at least 300-400 rounds through them without cleaning. It's okay to clean the action but do not clean the barrel at all.

  • @williamray3101
    @williamray3101 2 роки тому

    Put camera on the target.

  • @Ram2k12
    @Ram2k12 6 років тому +1

    Sorry dude, but I shot over 1500 golden's thru my 1978 Mod .41 and it shot minute of squirrel eyeball 24/7. I got free coke's by hitting the spent brass at 25 yards, with it. So, I think you need to use a better rest. Or send that one back to Smith.

    • @EuroGuy85
      @EuroGuy85 6 років тому

      Ram2k12
      😂

    • @gedgar2000
      @gedgar2000 6 років тому

      Was the range 25 yards. Didn't here you say. The groups are miserable. Your rest isn't sufficient, or something isn't right.

  • @garyhakala5168
    @garyhakala5168 4 місяці тому

    What distance?

  • @lewisrice3741
    @lewisrice3741 Рік тому

    My guns will not shoot any of this eley ammo I've tried it all it is over priced and in my opinion it is not worth trying to shoot especially at the price. Any of the lapua ammo will shoot rings around it. Good shooting brother keep it up
    Beagleman

  • @torqueguy1
    @torqueguy1 6 років тому +6

    Could it be, perhaps, that you don’t know how to shoot?

  • @tjhawg
    @tjhawg 10 років тому

    It really is surprising how poorly the Eley performed in all your firearms. Either their quality has declined or you just got a bad batch. Either way, that's unacceptable for the outrageous price they charge for their ammo. At those prices, their quality control should be much better.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      It did better in rifles, but still not as good as a couple of brands of much cheaper ammo.

  • @gloczyslaw19
    @gloczyslaw19 2 роки тому

    Bad score on 25yrds. I thought this gun can compite with pardini or Walther gsp. But obviesly not, i see.

  • @deniscleaver7544
    @deniscleaver7544 3 роки тому

    I'm a lot disappointed in Eley anything ammo. Whoever makes this stuff doesn't know how to! Thats' obvious! Norma, Wolf [german], CCI, make match grade .22lr cartridges well worth the cost, as the results show. A good thing to remember is never purchase ammo from a country that prohibits its own from owning said ammo! Guns included!!!

  • @WaterDR-tw8re
    @WaterDR-tw8re 5 років тому

    You are doing an accuracy test off a sand bag, pumping the trigger. Thus, no follow through hence the poor shooting.
    Watch your trigger control on the Remme grin bulk.....it was better.

  • @FortuneCookie45LC
    @FortuneCookie45LC 10 років тому +3

    If the world were perfect, you'd have shot that Remington group and then the Eley would shoot a group half the size of the Remington. That is disappointing performance for shooters who would buy the Eley for absolute consistency and accuracy - it really hasn't done well across the board... based on your results, I wouldn't buy it. Sure guns are different, but the trend of the stuff is apparent...

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      This Eley ammo seems to do pretty good in rifles like the Kimber 82 but not very well in handguns.
      But almost everything I`ve tried shot good in the Kimber. Shooting 16 different kinds of ammo out of the Kimber, the Eley had only the 3rd best group. Norma Tac-22 did better. And believe it or not, Winchester Wildcats produced the best group of any of them.
      The Kimber rifle seems to have a real noticeable preference for lubed bullets over plated ones.

    • @phineas4513
      @phineas4513 10 років тому

      I agree. Eley is overrated and over priced. Similarly, I've found Lapua to be no better than Blazer in my own tests with a 22/45.

    • @1957Shep
      @1957Shep  10 років тому

      Adrian A Never tried any of the Lapua 22 ammo. Don`t ever recall even seeing any for sale locally.

  • @panchovilla9401
    @panchovilla9401 5 років тому

    Muy bien pero yo prefiero la vieja hi standar. Saludos desde mexico city

  • @oldmanonhill
    @oldmanonhill 6 років тому

    As a pistol shooter for years and have 2 model 41's I'm not at all impressed with you shooting from a sand bag. I shot for the 25th division pistol team for almost 3 years. We shot the National matches with one hand at
    50 yards and time fire and rapid fire at 25 yards, one handed. If I would have shoot a group like you did ,( with 2 hand grip) I would have been cleaning toilets instead of shooting . I have shot a clean ( 10 in the 10 ring) many times at 25 yards and a 97 score at 50 yards. it's NOT THE AMMO OR THE S & W 41 MY FRIEND.

    • @gofly5831
      @gofly5831 4 роки тому

      Whow ! The guy is just out shooting for fun and posting a video, take it easy bro. S

  • @yunusemreacar9942
    @yunusemreacar9942 8 років тому

    İstanbul

  • @BeadsbyNicole
    @BeadsbyNicole 6 років тому

    That was some crap accuracy

  • @rodgerbooth1064
    @rodgerbooth1064 5 років тому

    I would not go by your shooting. You do not have any "GROUP" at all! You need a fixed rest! Groups of most Ammo will be measured in small increments with any ammunition. Most are good. Terrible waste of UA-cam Time!