@Asgardian Judgement this is an anthropocentric projection of a very uniquely human form of domination onto the natural world. actually if any remotely universal impression can be taken from nature, it's one of interdependence and symbiosis, from the cellular level of organelles to the macro level of interspecies mutual aid and our biosphere's self-emerging life-giving cycles. comparing predatory relations between animals of lower consciousness to exploitative capital accumulation and cruel institutional oppression is a huge contrivance which comes from our deeply internalized hierarchical views of the world. it's an argument often used to justify immoral human hierarchies; just making superficial pseudo-scientific analogies to animals and saying "well, that's just the natural order of things" and calling it a day.
@@lulu4882 Especially if you consider that for most of our history as a species we lived in what were essentially cooperative, non hierarchical, primitive anarcho-communist tribes.
But than all of Herbert Spencer's work bringing from the dead Charles Darwing's theory of evolution to light and turning it into Social Darwinism Propaganda will have been all in vain.
Someone once said that in order for humans to reach the next stage of our evolution we will need to figure out how to transition from a predatory society to a collaborative society.
But... Isn't a collaborative society really just a bunch of worker drones (slaves) and "queen" (boss)? Fine for ants. Humans? Not so much. Unless I'm the boss...lol
@@darrinwebber4077 you’re just describing the system as it is. Instead of drones, just say workers. Boss is often synonymous with the capitalist class who sits backs and reaps the rewards of the workers’ labor while offering the worker little in return. The worker doesn’t ‘own’ the means of production and therefore has little leverage or power in the entire exchange. That is not what anyone means by collaborative, obviously.
@Ebenezer Sureshyou are one of those that believe in a total state-controlled system as is being developed in China taking away all freedoms, a resource-based economy or a cashless society is very much the same approach, are all set up to control you, and the people that control you are the elitist/globalist, you can take Chomsky or Fresno they have one thing in common and that is to control the population. I happen to like freedom, the money I EARN based on merit and market demand which I like to spend as I see it, the capitalistic system not perfect due to some greedy pundits (government &multinationals) who are corrupt but it is easier to deal with that than big brother has total control over me and my life. You are completely brainwashed by the socialist/Marxist elite/academia which are only out to put you in a straitjacket so you obey or else, humans are always out for power and greed it is just too bad that you are completely taken in by false and corrupt teachings/ideology of the Marxist elite. Government controlled countries have never produced any progress but ended up being a place of oppression and death to enforce their will (corrupt elitist) upon the population. It is sad to see that the younger generation is being manipulated by the carrot of equality and a false form of justice but has never worked in the history of the world. But by refusing to do your homework your being manipulated by a group of awful and evil Marxist/ socialist
I would love a world that everyone can contribute to society for the sake of the community and be able to work less. Now we have narcissist who think they can use people life to achieve their stupid dream. Worst we have individual who think their life is worth more than millions of people. Greed is really the worst crime and lead to power corruption.
Hermon, This guy a humanist does NOT believe in God so he will refuse to be blessed by God. Brilliant?? give me a break, a marxist out to destroy any free will and let the sate control you. he hates capitalism he dislikes government, he is a very dangerous man who will enslave you even more ....... never mind his talks saying he is brilliant, do some serious evaluation of what he is saying.....A deceptive globalist loves agenda 21 of the UN... give me a break...........
Noam Chomsky isn't a marxist and is an anarchist who is directly opposed to the state and has no desire to enslave anyone as he openly opposes oppressive power structures in society.
I disagree that the question of money being used or not is just a ''technical, side question''. I believe that it is absolutely fundamental. The means of exchange being used in any given system or society is directly linked to, and has a profound effect, on our values and paradigms. In a more ''resource-based'' economy, cooperation and mutual respect would take precedence over the blind pursuit of profit, which is based on such an abstract and lifeless concept as capital.
@@rigelb9025 How that money is maintained, created, regulated...thats different and that reflects the system it is born of. But money itself is just a system of exchange. In many north american indigenous cultures it was shells. Money in and of itself is a side issue...Oh wait I guess one of the smartest men in the world in the video was just saying that.
Very good comment. Resource-based for me means more focus on actual production, structure of the company (employees) and output rather than on pushing the stock price through buying other companies or investing in marketing for example.
A lot of what we call 'money' no longer consists of units of metal or even paper but simply numbers in a computer. The idea of a unit of exchange based on some tangible product like gold has been quaint for some time.
Numbers in a computer was the original form of money, where the computer was wax or clay tablets in the hands of scribes. Paper money was the next logical step. Baking debt notes in clay for transfer over large distances, and for exchange between traders, to reduce the amount of reckoning that would be difficult to keep track of anyway. Bullion money was the latest innovation, using rare metals that could not be created, for use where certificates could not be readily verified. This has the problem that a growing population had a growing need of currency, which could not be created. In consequence, the global economy collapsed, but the idea was not given up completely for long. A lot has happened since then. Paper money became more viable, and nowadays with optoelectronic computer networks, book money is viable on a global scale.
We aren’t fighting anyone but ourselves. Humans unconsciously want to be enslaved, because from birth, we are instilled with fear of ourselves. We believe, again unconsciously, that if we are not watched and controlled, we will behave very badly. These people you say we fight have been able to gain the power they have because we wanted them to have it. We must acknowledge the role we play in our own enslavement in order to start taking our power back. That is, if we truly want it back. I don’t think most of us do.
In our current nation, money is; power, greed, corruption, crime, poverty, etc. Where corporations are control of politics due to money. The quote: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." is almost correct apart from the concept of where power comes from, which is the seed of all corruption and power. That absolute corruption is money. People will do unspeakable things for money. For example, recently, people can't afford medicine to survive due to medicine prices and they have recently bumped up the price further. Global Warming and Climate Change is apparent now due to the Fossil Fuel Industry. Scientist say that we have about 11 years or so before irreparable damage is caused to the planet, but what can we do when everything we do costs money? Electric cars are expensive and people can't afford or get an approval of a loan for one. And what I mean by Irreparable damage is sea levels rising and people are forced inland. Farmers can't grow crops now that their fields are arid and that's just a small part of what will happen. We are on the fight of our very lives as the lives of us, our children and our children's children are on the balance. Not only our children but all life on the planet. And we are losing due to money.
So get rid of a money based system and then all the people and nations of the world will band together and end man-made climate change? If that's what you are saying then A) you don't understand human nature and B) you need to work out the details on how that system would function.
Ah nice plan but Fresno is the same as Chomsky except he likes to be more a little dictator, the capitalist system is not perfect but any other system is far worse.....READ YOUR HISTORY. FRESNO LIKE TIMEGEIST IS JUST PLAIN BS AND IMPOSSIBLE TO BECOME REALITY
@@johnvanvliet2076 The Capitalist system is an utter failure, millions of people die each year from preventable deaths like hunger or sickness because it is not profitable to help them. No other system has brought more death and corruption to the human race than Capitalism. Read your history, learn that Capitalism has been around for only 300 years, for countless years humans lived communaly in much better societies than we have today, some of them like the Semai in Malaysia have survived the sickness of Capitalism. Anarcho-Communism has been tried and was a success, Capitalism has been tried and was a complete failure.
@@1997lordofdoom Sorry capitalism has been around for more than 5000 years it may had some slightly different variations but it is the oldest system that has produced excellent results, it is just to bad evil people ungodly people, have thwarted the system because of greed. immorality and corruption. However contrary to the Marxist/socialist/communist ideologies and countries that embraced those ideologies have been shown blatant disrespect for human life and have killed millions of innocent people, and if I look at Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, and other Marxist dictators I only see death (around 150 million +) and destruction. The capitalist system is progressive and requires participation, not like the Fresno idea or Zeitgeist are totally absurd a consumer-driven economy will never work and is total nonsense. So if you do not like the system why not move to a nation with Marxist dictators, but you will not do this for your bellyache and comp0laining suits you in a dictatorship you be in prison.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE NOAM CHOMSKY. WHAT A GEM; CUTS THROUGH THE BULL ON ANY SUBJECT AND ALWAYS WITH AN INTELLECTUAL INTEREST IN (THE LACK OF) FAIRNESS FOR THE MASSES AND SHINING A HARSH LIGHT ON THE UTTER CROOKS THAT CRAVE AND CONTROL POWER.
Personally I'm a fan of his unfailing composure and serenity. He feels strongly and expresses his views using very opinionated language, but it's always peaceful, serene, there are only subtle emotions. That's something I want to become. He's totally at peace with himself. If a quarter of the world was this peaceful we could have heaven on earth.
I don't think money as a system of value and exchange is the problem. The problem is, who owns the means of production? It's the 1% and not the 99%. Everyone should have some ownership and a stake in their workplace, as well as a voice in management. Notice I didn't say everyone would be exactly equal, because then there'd be no incentive to achieve. But people should not be wage slaves.
You're referring to market socialism; it doesn't work. The whole idea is contradictory as it tries to mesh ideologies that promote both competition and cooperation. Yugoslavia's economy proved to be less efficient than the USSR's by most measures.
Really you think the average American is a wage slave? The average American easily consumers more foods and products when compared to any other nation.
Daniel Bradford, I think it's both. Money system allows one to accumulate times and times more than one can ever spend or ever need. Money system is a middleman, we now give value to this middleman and completely behave as if the real value is in it and not in the natural resources and our ability to (more efficiently) extract them. This middleman is simply not necessary, we can do without it, and in fact we can do better without it. Without money one cannot really accumulate the kind of wealth that one can accumulate with money/middleman. That's not to say that we cannot organize our society intelligently *with* money. But with our technologies we simply needn't any kind of money system, so why not leave it in the past anyway?
The only way of achieving Sustainability would be to transform the very idea and institution of money itself. -- Prof. Alf Hornborg (quoted in ADBUSTERs #95, may 2011) Corruption is not some by-product of monetary-ism, it is it's very foundation. -- ZEITGEIST: ADDENDUM (2008) www.imdb.com/title/tt1332128
Zeitgest has some good critique of capitalism and the monetary and market system, but not really anything that hasn't been discovered before by Marx for instance. However, the idea of how society could look like are good. My biggest gripe with TZM is really any comprehensive idea or plan on how to get from A, where we are now, to B, post scarcity.
Hesket it's a massive compilation of bullshit and exaggerations culminating in a ridiculous utopian vision of a world without money or politics. worse than so-called "libertarian" free-market utopians. a propaganda classic, designed to appeal to the most brainless, least critical on the left. I knew from the first part (criticizing religious bullshit with more lies and newer bullshit) that it was going to be more entertainment than informative.
I wish that I had his critical thinking skills and vocabulary. I know what is going on ,for the most part, but I don't have the education or vocabulary to express/convey my thoughts. Noam Chomsky's level is where I want to be, politics aside.
such an open mind and amazing human being...hopefully our species will reach evolutionary point when the ideas and quality of thought of such people will be mainstream way of life.
LOVE you Chomsky!!! It's AMAZING they ( The Fed. The American Government, Etc. ) Allowed Noam to live as LONG as he is.........Anyways Thank you so much for posting this GEM 🎸💚
not amazing at all. this is the most free country that has ever existed in the entire history of the human race. in this country you could be a single guy in a garage and start up a company that competes in a billion dollar industry and win precisely because this is a free country.
Lmao! The american dream! You gotta be asleep!!! Wake up, America is owned and operating under fascism! Collective mob mentality charading as Democracy lol! Our government borrows money from a private bank at interest.... I'll let you think about that for a while.... What happens when a government borrows fiat monopoly money from a foreign bank??? Anyone anyone Bueller?
If I see what the Universities are producing then I wonder, the world led by some academia, (or as they say, experts), is in a bloody mess and Chomsky contributed to that??? Oh man give me a break....
Yep, Noam is right on the ball again. We need a paradigm shift to a more humane society. 'People before profits', especially when it is now profits at ANY cost, including wars and human misery.70M refugees and still counting.
Smaller countries aren't powerful enough to stand up to multinational corporations, that's why we need the EU. That, and of course the united negotiations with outside countries, which gives the EU a much greater leverage than the individual member countries would ever have. And the free inner-European trade which can only be realistically managed if a common entity makes the production standards, and exporters from one country don't need to keep up with the standards of 27 other countries
Kaizen cards were low technology physical currency used to organize production on assembly lines, learned from my Total Quality Management classes. The cards were just re-usable work orders one department passed upstream for what their stage of production needed without writing on a form and needing someone else to read it while they had work to do. Kaizen cards would still be useful for any labor intensive company competing with automation using companies. Physical currency is mostly a good thing.
We're getting close to not even needing money anymore so if you got plenty of it then go ahead and pass it on to those that don't and that will bring us more quickly into a society of abundance 🛸 🌞🛸
Noam Chomsky discusses the possibility of a social system operating without money, but he emphasizes that the more pressing issue is the elimination of tyranny. He argues that the current system, with its increasing concentration of power in unaccountable private corporations, is a form of tyranny. These corporations, which have the combined functions of judicial, legislative, and executive powers, wield significant influence over government and media, and undermine markets through various means. Chomsky believes that these tyrannical structures, which have an overwhelming effect on life, have no right to exist and should be dismantled. He suggests that the real question is the elimination of tyranny, and the role of money in a democratic society is a secondary concern.
A system without money is not difficult to imagine at all. Roddenberry's Star Trek has an Earth where there's no money. Gone with it are the gross inequalities and tyrannies of our gilded age. All we have to do is decide to do it.
Isn't Star Trek world basically an Military Tyranny? Yeah there's no hunger , object poverty, and so on... but still... at the end of the day, it's gonna be Starfleet's way or highway.
@@damianotommassi3378 Star Fleet is not a military tyranny. It's the mutual defense force of a federation of semi-autonomous planets with their own cultures & laws. An Earth equivalent might be NATO or the EU.
Roddenberry also never really explained how that would work he just assumed that somehow it's possible but they never go into the details so it's basically a fantasy
@@philv2529 Remove economic competition and replace it with cooperation. There's still hierarchal competition in rank, career success and advancement but not in wealth. People work not to sink or swim but to live fulfilling lives whether they work or not.
he just talked about problems with money, not society without it. i personally couldn't conceive a world without money (if by money he means currency in general; don't know what else he could mean that would warrant a question). so long as trade exists, value will exist, and so long as value exists, some kind of physical embodiment of quantified value will exist.
Slinky Dad Shoutcasting Zeitgeist. All life is priceless, therefore it is immoral to profit from or place value upon life. All life including the Earth and all its finite resources. Evolution is unimagined potential.
you have to understand that in political economy money is just a commodity, that is intended to represent value, regardless of how that value is measured. we don't think that money is inherently the problem
+Austrin Stephens most strains of anarchism are opposed to markets? oh really now? where did you read that? Bakunin? oh wait, of course you didn't read it there, because even anarcho socialists and libertarian communists are not opposed to markets, you're just pulling that out of your ass
Imagine if the purpose of your work was the actual work itself and not earning money. Only the true roles of society would remain. The profit/debt based monetary system hinges on the private ownership of the means of production. This system is based fundamentally on power exploitation and inequality so regardless of its internal consistency it is based on arbitrary absurdity enforced with power, whether perceived or actual.
The question should have been on fiat money. Money itself is just a token of payment. The corporation's to which Chomsky alludes include banks. The scam is the collateralization of debt.
I wish even 1% of Americans understood this simple fact.
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voluntary society, small business - decentralization, reputation system instead money partially (for basic things). Money would still exist for "luxury" things ( borderline of luxury is pushed neverending progress) and some companies may be would not join that system
lol no. he has done absolutely nothing for the world. an Indian immigrant family who owns a 7-11 who employs 2 people has done more for the world and society than this man has done in his entire life. a great american is someone who builds a massive company that provides incredible and amazing products for society while at the same time providing jobs to millions of people who would other wise be homeless.
@@mayainverse9429 Ever heard of academic research and teaching? You have the right not to personally value education and knowledge, but it doesn't mean that they are useless to the world.
education and knowledge are only as good as the stuff it can produce. you learning about philosophy and then debating for 5 hours what would it feel like to live in a 4 dimensional universe is not going to cure illnesses or put food on peoples tables or more efficiently move people and things around the world. computer engineering is a great skill to teach people because it helps society become better itself. there are many things you can teach that have real meaning in the real world. the thing is a lot of the stuff Chomsky promotes he could easily have been a source for a solution instead he just spent his entire life talking out of his ass rather than actually doing something about it. Imagine the supposed good he could have done if he were a Captain or a General in the Army during any of the wars he so greatly opposed.
@@ChickenCaesarSalad People had jobs and worked long before the concept of currency existed. Incentives were: Shelter, food, community. Under that paradigm if you choose not to work it's basically the same as if you choose not to work in today's society, you become without shelter and without food.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs Someone has to make, produce and deliver the food, it doesn't just show up at grocery stores or restaurants. Someone has to create or delevop homes, maintain them, fix them when they need to be repaired, etc. We live in a society where it is more complex than just shelter and food. We have the internet, television, smart phones, cars, smart appliances, air travel, etc. Those never existed in the paradigm you go back towards and support. Not everything is in the best interest of a collective. People make decisions on their own. It is the individuals' responsibility to work to provide for themselves. They can develop the skills necessary for higher paying jobs that require more complex skill sets when they are young instead of smoking pot, committing violent crimes, getting multiple women pregnant and abandoning them, playing videogames instead of studying, and not showing up to school. You don't get whatever you want and do whatever you want simply because you exist.
@@ChickenCaesarSalad I'm confused as to what you're arguing. The point of this video is that obviously, societies can and have existed without currency. It's possible to imagine a society in which people work and do all the jobs you mentioned without currency. Hard to achieve? Probably. Possible? Yes.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs there are more moving parts in society today than before. There will be no incentive to do anything productive without money. Why would anything get done if no one is compensated for it? Just because someone exists doesn’t mean everything should be given to them. You would have to address laziness and poor choices as well and I don’t see that being mentioned
A TALE of TWO VAMPIRES "The other day I ran into Count Dracula in the street, just arriving in Buenos Aires. I found him in very bad shape, extremely depressed. The Count had hit rock bottom. Bags under his eyes, jaundiced, skeletal. I said to him: 'Count, it's been so long, what's happening, and what are you doing in Buenos Aires? Did you leave Transylvania? And Count Dracula said to me:' 'I'm here on a visit. I'm looking for a psychoanalyst. I don't know if you know of one who can help me, because I've found out how these multinational corporations operate, and now I've got an inferiority complex that I've got no idea how to get rid of.'" ----Eduardo Galeano (interview with Susana Hoffman) May 26, 2013
2:44 I think a strong marker of just how intelligent Chomsky is (far too intelligent for me to judge) lies in precisely these additions, such as: "under some circumstances, it might be democratic" to want federal government to wield less power (which is precisely on what so many Republicans insist). It's difficult to argue against that ideal, perhaps, but when you observe the effects in practice, you simply will not find "government of the people, by the people, for the people."
A society of any significant scale would not be able to function without money, money allows you to trust the medium of exchange rather than the individual person. Without this trust there would be less incentive for cooperation and more incentive to be distrustful and use force, also the coincidence of wants would pose a massive problem
@@johnvanvliet2076 No one asked for your opinion. This clip is about academia and knowledge. We are not here to discuss religion. Religion and verses from the bible can only do so much. It is men like Chomsky who provide the concepts that can actually be used to create a better society. If your bible was so useful, then why has it failed to create a better society for over 2,000 years? Of course you will justify that based on sin, however, the truth is that we need men like Chomsky, we do not need more Christians expressing their undying faith and love for JC. Even he would agree with me... Intellectuals are crucial for a good society, and in that realm Noam Chomsky is the cream of the crop....
@vesogry Firstly; I never called him a great economist. That's the first thing.... Secondly, he is the father of modern linguistics. But to say that he doesn't know the economy is absolutely ridiculous. I have read 55 of his books on a wide spectrum of topics......he knows the economy as well if not better than any mainstream economist I have heard of....and I've read their books too. The important thing is that he knows what is pertinent - control, the democratic deficit, etc. The stuff that the mainstream guys leave out. He is not just a linguistics expert. He is an expert on countless fields within many academic realms. I know this based on personal experience as well - I spoke to him in person for 90 minutes back in 2015. In terms of breadth and depth I believe he is the greatest academic on the planet. Perhaps you prefer only "specialists" and you believe that all areas should remain separated? I don't believe that. But the fact that you felt the need to ad hominem me makes you the lesser man. How educated you are - i do not know....
so the issue is the abuse of power, enabled by the institutions in place, which have gone by unchallenged for long enough to be taken advantage of by the privileged elite? Am I understanding this correctly?
Sort of. The problem is not that the institutions haven't been challenged, but that they are being corrupted and hollowed out. But it boils down to the abuse of power, yes. Chomsky is a syndicalist, so he wants to replace the existing government with a different system. Still a government, but not corrupted yet, and presumably much more difficult to corrupt.
did he say this before or after or during this video? because if you think about things properly like he does, his answers change. he is a philosopher anyway, he shouldn't have solid answers, he's only giving examples on how to use your brain.
@@johnvanvliet2076 he never answers the questions he’s asked, just uses it to go off on a tangent and talk about what he really wants to talk about… Noam is no different than the average politician
For a "system" without money to work, it is my simple opinion, two very important things would be required. First would be "Free Energy" such as Nikola Tesla tried to create and distribute. Second would be "Star Trek" like replicators. With these two things available to the people, free energy and the ability to create anything using free energy, money would never be "needed" again.
we would just have to lessen our greed and teach our kids that if I have something, another should too. that's all it takes. it's about removing this idea of transaction, not money. money doesn't fuel our machines, money does pump blood around the body. we have raised people to live in a world that has taught them that they must be an individual and work for individual success that they must only share with those they are obligated to share with. capitalism has seeped into our very idea of life.
@@cantbanme792 “teach our kids that if I have something, another should too.” If I have a motorcycle, should everyone else be FORCED to buy a motorcycle? If other people don't want motorcycles should mine be taken away? This is the idea that everyone can be the same height, weight, looks, intelligence, skills, talents, education, interests, desires, wants AND NEEDS. This is a communist ideology which forces “everyone” to live in poverty, “each according to his “NEED””, AND NOTHING MORE!! Do I “NEED” a car? No, you can walk! Do I NEED 3 meals a day? No, you can 'get by' on 2 meals a day, maybe 1! Do I NEED a place to live quietly on my own? No, you can 'live' in a large barracks with a bunk and one bath and shower for everyone! THAT IS ALL YOU “NEED”!! Communism FAILS everywhere it is FORCED on the people and NEVER, EVER create this “imaginary” equality, because it CAN'T! And then there is ALWAY the wealthy “Fearless Leaders”, who always eat well, have a quiet place to live, a car to travel with, have more than they “NEED”, and receive the “perks” other people are DENIED! This is complete asinine bullshit designed by the Elites of the World to make themselves feel MORE important than everyone else BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO ENFORCE IT BY THE ARMIES THEY HAVE WHICH HAVE BEEN PAID FOR BY THE LABOR OF THE POOR! Try “THINKING” for yourself for a change instead of 'parroting' what other TELL YOU TO THINK!
0:25 "... we can think about a very different social order... Getting rid of #money is one part of it, which I don't think is the crucial part..." (Noam Chomsky) ... not the crucial part? As long as we believe in rituals of buying & selling, we enable & solidify structures of #tyranny & #corruption. And on the other hand, we could ask why anyone would feel the motivation to ask for money, if we had somehow successfully overcome and transcended a system of social relationships based on rivalry for economic power, on corruption, manipulation and egotistic delimitation. All the power necessary to establish and uphold corrupt, unnecessary or tyrannical power structures hinges on our belief in money and rituals of buying and selling. If we long to free ourselves from tyranny, we should begin by dissolving the relevance of money and economic power.I think that the most crucial and promising way of #liberation and social emancipation is to establish social horizons where money becomes irrelevant.We have to move on, beyond this madness by building up social networks based on solidarity and social responsibility beyond rituals of economic negotiation of claims, beyond short sighted delimitation and rivalry. Yes, I think it's crucial indeed to overcome money, because we enable manipulative social structures by our belief in rituals of economic negotiation and justification of claims. Money and tyranny is an interwoven system. (It always has been.) We won't be able to get rid of corruption and tyranny, as long as we hold on to the belief system of economic value and economic power.
you are a serious idiot. I don't give a fuck who you are but I don't work for free nor do 99.9999% of people in the world. there are only 2 methods of trade with a money system or with a bartering system. bartering works for a tiny small village who have a very small variety of products and services available. but bartering quickly becomes too complicated when the potato farmer is trying to buy a new car with 40,000 potato's when the owner of the car does not need more than a small bag of them.
@@mayainverse9429 potato farmers wont exist, there are already food factorys who produce sell and even destroy tons of unsold products, these will turn in to BIO factory and produce those potatoes for free. cars are also not practical, you get stuck for hours in the city traffic, so again new practcle solutions for free, modern fast train network will replace cars or who knows what. You work for free and consume food, clothes and everything you really nead everywhere for free. Coz thats how are we doing right now, coz money isnt real, the worth that it has is just because government force us to use it. Its pice of paper. How can bag of paper be worth the same as one house?
imagine a planetary voluntary cooperative human society creating all its needs by sharing the earth's resources without money or barter where the resources have only use value ( Usufruct ) for our survival & well-being. Hence no money & no Tyranny of the few over the many.
whose needs? whose resources? will there be any property rights at all? what will one individual's responsibilities? what about freedom of choice (what if I would prefer to work on something other than what this planetary voluntary cooperative human society wants me to do? what if I would like to do it later? or in another way?) who will enforce these rules you are about to come up with, and what will we do when one person's needs for survival and well being come into conflict with another? who will decide who will be sacrificed? have you heard of ayn rand?
Just to add to Austin Stephens already thorough post, I think that for now the most basic answer is that different communities will have to decide what works best for them, and you can only get there through experimentation. Democratization of the workplace (worker ownership and management) will probably be a near universal. One benefit of a more managed system of production, one not based on a pell-mell race for growth and profit, is that it could reduce real working hours drastically. I don't know about you, but I would not complain about working even a tedious job if I had to only do it for 4 hours a day, with of the rest of my time to spend how I like, which may be in the pursuit of a form of production I find more congenial to my talents and interests.
Barry Soetoro I am eternal in my essence and feel sad for the millions on this earth who die of hunger, disease, because of a programmed corrupt money handicapping system that serves the psychotic super money rich elite who cares nothing for the rest of humanity & it's getting worse . Hope you are not too ageist or too naively programmed yourself that you can't see the monetary chains being inflicted on humanity that serves the interests of the perpetrators. Almost everything we do is controlled by money.If you can't pay you go without - how tragic and retarding is that for the majority .The next step for human evolution, psychological sanity & our survival is to share the earth resources as one co-op that benefits one & all without exception.Endless money printing is a symptom of how desperate they are to maintain their deceptive wool over our lives.
It's a complex system where nobody wants to take responsibility but everyone wants to reap the benefits. The longer we wait the greater the debt we incur to ourselves and the environment. I think it's clear by now that humans won't stop this voluntarily. IMO the answer is to switch to a deflationary financial system that encourages people to save and stop buying useless sh*t. I think the answer might just be Bitcoin.
As much as I would like to see a world like the one Noam Chomsky is referring to come to fruition, it is easier to see the end of humanity than the end of capitalism.
Tyranny, domination, and control are interconnected concepts that pertain to the exercise of power and authority over others, often in oppressive or authoritarian ways.
You sir, want tyranny itself. Clear as day in a comment like the above. You want the tyrannical rule of Noam Chomsky. Look in the mirror long and hard. Please read more.
i would very slighty disagree. i do think we can't dethrone tyrannies for sure without getting rid of monetary systems as well. Wage labour makes machines of people.
人之初 both because semi-liberated systems tend to decay quickly. not just tyranny and monetary sytem but family, peer pressure etc. all oppressions at once.
existential. anarchist I don't know what he had in mind specifically, but I don't think he was talking about wage labor, since that's something he also regularly criticizes.
lmcfigs existence of monetary system is more or less equitable to wage labour, i guess? Like purpose of existence of money is to fairly symbolize the work someone has put into some job. if you mean money as just a token to be fairly equally shared among people, if that's what is meany by money, then i'm fine with that. i'm aware of chomsky's general stance on this issue. He's a weird actual ''communist'' syndicalist which i adore.
Just finished listening to an audiobook recording of Bertrand Russell's *Proposed Roads to Freedom* where he discusses Anarchism, Marxism and Socialism (writing around 1918). I can totally see why Chomsky liked Russell so much. They almost sound like the same guy. Chomsky and Russell are more in favor of Syndicalism, which favors organizing by industry and across industries, rather than in the political arena of elections and parties. I think you'd be into that book.
If tyranny is the problem, then govt should be dismantled, because it forces people to do things without a choice. But free markets allow individuals to make their own decisions.
Noam goes anywhere he wants, talks to anyone he wants, and says anything he wants all the while making a lot of money talking about tyranny. Not a bad gig if you can get it.
remove money, "20" credits per month that doesn't stack which can be exchanged for perks needed for the chosen field of "work", give public assignments to every ppl for basic needs such as food, shelter and communication, so that no one would ever need to "work" more than 2h per day ( the more ppl the the better ), remove country borders and change flags into regional ones, decide or create a new universal language for united communication... i have stopped watching tvs since 2000 and never once got interested in the "normal" way of living because the only interest i have is music and becoming a musician, but it all crumbled because of this stupid system. we are void of our own natural talents and curiosity because of the education system. humans are a highly intelligent people that at this point of age. we could have been already gone into mars... but it's withheld by greediness... most of my friends consider me weird because i don't think in their "logic" way of seeing things which is forged by the education system and "obligations" towards life. when you start a family you act by LOVE and do ANYTHING to secure the future of your kids which led to the word called MARKETING, it created more greed, stressed environments, inequality, sarcasm, liars, war, etc..... money sure did us a good advancement in terms of technology, now it's time take advantage of what we have created and move towards HUMAN progress....we need to change the currency system because we all have become enslave to it. Take a look back before money was created, we learned how to use fire, cook meat with fire, invented the clock, created landscapes etc... the land doesn't belong to anyone but the earth itself... if i would pay rent, i would rather pay it to our beloved planet, because everything that surrounds us came from it.
This is one specific where I most disagree. Money provides both the incentive to tyranny and the means to scale it to infinity. It is at once a driver and an absolute tool of abuse. Only by removing it can we neuter the impulse to abuse others and the means to accomplish it on a large scale.
Money is nothing except a medium of exchange with an agreed upon value per unit. In our monetary system currently it is tied to debt, as Fiat, but fundamentally money is nothing more that 50 chickens or 10 goats
@Wendi esel And thank you back. Many vital truths have a way to go unnoticed. It falls on us who can see them to find ways to spread them around. They are the keys to a more civilized world.
In the future through technology. Everybody will be independant. You won't need to hire anybody, and you won't need to work for anybody. You do it all yourself. And u don't "need " money
"The crucial part is getting rid of tyranny. Power is going into the hands of totalitarian structures that are totally unaccountable--namely private corporations....huge in scale...it's a tyrannical system that doesn't have any right to exist any more than other tyrannical systems. Media, entertainment, advertising...it's all a reflection of a network of private tyranny." The aim is to put even more decisionmaking into PRIVATE UNACCOUNTABLE POWER. That's the core of the system and that's what's got to be dismantled--totally. It has no legitimacy, it comes out of the same intellectual roots as fascism and bolshevism and ought to be dealt with in the same way. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
how exactly are they totalitarian? relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state. first of all you have to have a monopoly on the use of violence aka the government to come even close to being totalitarian. second. I am a below average poor guy in my 30's. just a few days ago I was looking around in the Iphone store and i walked out without giving them any money. not only did I not suffer any kind of evil "totalitarian" backlash the evil bastard corporate mind slaves said to me "thank you for visiting, have a nice day" how dare those evil sick bastards demand that I have a nice day.
@@mayainverse9429 Ever hear of loitering? If you look poor enough and like you can't afford anything there, they can and will call the state to forcibly remove you on their behalf. They don't need to own the violence themselves if the government is in their pockets. Internally, private corporations ARE centralized and totalitarian. The board of directors tells the C-Level what to do, and the C-Level tells everyone else what to do on down. It's very hierarchical and totalitarian (if you refuse you're fired), and is accountable to no one except the board and shareholders. (Which, importantly, aren't elected by the general public.)
We don't have to live in a world that's all about competition with winners and losers. We can and must do better.
@Strength of the Wild because the power structures are formed and heavily in power. We can easily move beyond it if we choose to revolt
@Asgardian Judgement this is an anthropocentric projection of a very uniquely human form of domination onto the natural world. actually if any remotely universal impression can be taken from nature, it's one of interdependence and symbiosis, from the cellular level of organelles to the macro level of interspecies mutual aid and our biosphere's self-emerging life-giving cycles. comparing predatory relations between animals of lower consciousness to exploitative capital accumulation and cruel institutional oppression is a huge contrivance which comes from our deeply internalized hierarchical views of the world. it's an argument often used to justify immoral human hierarchies; just making superficial pseudo-scientific analogies to animals and saying "well, that's just the natural order of things" and calling it a day.
James Chant exactly! We can do much better!
@@lulu4882 Especially if you consider that for most of our history as a species we lived in what were essentially cooperative, non hierarchical, primitive anarcho-communist tribes.
But than all of Herbert Spencer's work bringing from the dead Charles Darwing's theory of evolution to light and turning it into Social Darwinism Propaganda will have been all in vain.
Someone once said that in order for humans to reach the next stage of our evolution we will need to figure out how to transition from a predatory society to a collaborative society.
But... Isn't a collaborative society really just a bunch of worker drones (slaves) and "queen" (boss)?
Fine for ants. Humans? Not so much.
Unless I'm the boss...lol
We get it, you're a communist.
Well said
@@darrinwebber4077 No, we are all equals in a collab society, no Queen, no Boss, a boss for a certain project might be elected, but no all-time boss
@@darrinwebber4077 you’re just describing the system as it is. Instead of drones, just say workers. Boss is often synonymous with the capitalist class who sits backs and reaps the rewards of the workers’ labor while offering the worker little in return. The worker doesn’t ‘own’ the means of production and therefore has little leverage or power in the entire exchange. That is not what anyone means by collaborative, obviously.
Noam Chomsky whilst high is legendary
Me rn wtf
Why.becuase he wrote some books?? I think Jesus Christ is legendary and is for more popular and smarter then Chomsky
John Van Vliet What?
@@imtiazqureshi2412 What?????
@Ebenezer Sureshyou are one of those that believe in a total state-controlled system as is being developed in China taking away all freedoms, a resource-based economy or a cashless society is very much the same approach, are all set up to control you, and the people that control you are the elitist/globalist, you can take Chomsky or Fresno they have one thing in common and that is to control the population.
I happen to like freedom, the money I EARN based on merit and market demand which I like to spend as I see it, the capitalistic system not perfect due to some greedy pundits (government &multinationals) who are corrupt but it is easier to deal with that than big brother has total control over me and my life.
You are completely brainwashed by the socialist/Marxist elite/academia which are only out to put you in a straitjacket so you obey or else, humans are always out for power and greed it is just too bad that you are completely taken in by false and corrupt teachings/ideology of the Marxist elite.
Government controlled countries have never produced any progress but ended up being a place of oppression and death to enforce their will (corrupt elitist) upon the population.
It is sad to see that the younger generation is being manipulated by the carrot of equality and a false form of justice but has never worked in the history of the world. But by refusing to do your homework your being manipulated by a group of awful and evil Marxist/ socialist
I would love a world that everyone can contribute to society for the sake of the community and be able to work less. Now we have narcissist who think they can use people life to achieve their stupid dream. Worst we have individual who think their life is worth more than millions of people. Greed is really the worst crime and lead to power corruption.
What would i do without Noam explaining the power structure of the world to me?
What have you done with it?
Learn it yourself?
Such a brilliant and comprehensive answer. God bless you Chomsky
LOL
Don't think he has high thoughts on the idea of a God or any gods at all....
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Hermon,
This guy a humanist does NOT believe in God so he will refuse to be blessed by God. Brilliant?? give me a break, a marxist out to destroy any free will and let the sate control you. he hates capitalism he dislikes government, he is a very dangerous man who will enslave you even more ....... never mind his talks saying he is brilliant, do some serious evaluation of what he is saying.....A deceptive globalist loves agenda 21 of the UN... give me a break...........
hahahahahahaha..no link with what he said to ur conclusions..hahaha nice one
You said it, John Vabn Vilet, about Noam Chomsky.
Noam Chomsky isn't a marxist and is an anarchist who is directly opposed to the state and has no desire to enslave anyone as he openly opposes oppressive power structures in society.
“Is this too high a level of abstraction?” Someone literally asked that to Noam Chomsky. 😂😂
LOOK AT HIS SMIRK WHEN THAT GUY SAYS THAT
* literally
I literary gave you this comment! COMMENT!
the face noam makes is worth all the money in the world
Ahahahaha what an silly man 🤣🥰😩
I disagree that the question of money being used or not is just a ''technical, side question''. I believe that it is absolutely fundamental. The means of exchange being used in any given system or society is directly linked to, and has a profound effect, on our values and paradigms. In a more ''resource-based'' economy, cooperation and mutual respect would take precedence over the blind pursuit of profit, which is based on such an abstract and lifeless concept as capital.
any means of exchange is money .....by definition ........dingle hopper
@@KingMinosxxvi What???
@@rigelb9025 How that money is maintained, created, regulated...thats different and that reflects the system it is born of. But money itself is just a system of exchange. In many north american indigenous cultures it was shells. Money in and of itself is a side issue...Oh wait I guess one of the smartest men in the world in the video was just saying that.
Very good comment. Resource-based for me means more focus on actual production, structure of the company (employees) and output rather than on pushing the stock price through buying other companies or investing in marketing for example.
@@L.L.2045 Precisely.
A lot of what we call 'money' no longer consists of units of metal or even paper but simply numbers in a computer. The idea of a unit of exchange based on some tangible product like gold has been quaint for some time.
and has be degrading our civilization since. I think when he says "money", he does mean all forms of currency.
Numbers in a computer was the original form of money, where the computer was wax or clay tablets in the hands of scribes.
Paper money was the next logical step. Baking debt notes in clay for transfer over large distances, and for exchange between traders, to reduce the amount of reckoning that would be difficult to keep track of anyway.
Bullion money was the latest innovation, using rare metals that could not be created, for use where certificates could not be readily verified. This has the problem that a growing population had a growing need of currency, which could not be created. In consequence, the global economy collapsed, but the idea was not given up completely for long.
A lot has happened since then. Paper money became more viable, and nowadays with optoelectronic computer networks, book money is viable on a global scale.
we are fighting those who would be above the law, yet enslave you to it.
We aren’t fighting anyone but ourselves. Humans unconsciously want to be enslaved, because from birth, we are instilled with fear of ourselves. We believe, again unconsciously, that if we are not watched and controlled, we will behave very badly. These people you say we fight have been able to gain the power they have because we wanted them to have it. We must acknowledge the role we play in our own enslavement in order to start taking our power back. That is, if we truly want it back. I don’t think most of us do.
In our current nation, money is; power, greed, corruption, crime, poverty, etc. Where corporations are control of politics due to money. The quote: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." is almost correct apart from the concept of where power comes from, which is the seed of all corruption and power. That absolute corruption is money. People will do unspeakable things for money. For example, recently, people can't afford medicine to survive due to medicine prices and they have recently bumped up the price further. Global Warming and Climate Change is apparent now due to the Fossil Fuel Industry. Scientist say that we have about 11 years or so before irreparable damage is caused to the planet, but what can we do when everything we do costs money? Electric cars are expensive and people can't afford or get an approval of a loan for one. And what I mean by Irreparable damage is sea levels rising and people are forced inland. Farmers can't grow crops now that their fields are arid and that's just a small part of what will happen. We are on the fight of our very lives as the lives of us, our children and our children's children are on the balance. Not only our children but all life on the planet. And we are losing due to money.
It is all a massive scam with the intent to enslave us and make us become slaves of the elitist
The solution is before us but in blindspot.
So get rid of a money based system and then all the people and nations of the world will band together and end man-made climate change? If that's what you are saying then A) you don't understand human nature and B) you need to work out the details on how that system would function.
Frank Herbert said: "Power doesn't corrupt; it attracts the corruptible" there's a difference.
UA-cam just recommending this to me to remind me I'm powerless 🤣
You're not powerless
@@crappymeal how?! I've been avoiding power so carefully 😢
@@whoeverofhowevermany oh that's ok then
Resource Based Economy people living in their communities and making them thrive
Communities working together
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Noam Chomsky and Jacque Fresco, 2 people too far ahead of their time
Ah nice plan but Fresno is the same as Chomsky except he likes to be more a little dictator, the capitalist system is not perfect but any other system is far worse.....READ YOUR HISTORY. FRESNO LIKE TIMEGEIST IS JUST PLAIN BS AND IMPOSSIBLE TO BECOME REALITY
You are dreaming....... wake up to reality !!!!!
@@johnvanvliet2076 The Capitalist system is an utter failure, millions of people die each year from preventable deaths like hunger or sickness because it is not profitable to help them. No other system has brought more death and corruption to the human race than Capitalism.
Read your history, learn that Capitalism has been around for only 300 years, for countless years humans lived communaly in much better societies than we have today, some of them like the Semai in Malaysia have survived the sickness of Capitalism. Anarcho-Communism has been tried and was a success, Capitalism has been tried and was a complete failure.
@@1997lordofdoom Sorry capitalism has been around for more than 5000 years it may had some slightly different variations but it is the oldest system that has produced excellent results, it is just to bad evil people ungodly people, have thwarted the system because of greed. immorality and corruption.
However contrary to the Marxist/socialist/communist ideologies and countries that embraced those ideologies have been shown blatant disrespect for human life and have killed millions of innocent people, and if I look at Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, and other Marxist dictators I only see death (around 150 million +) and destruction. The capitalist system is progressive and requires participation, not like the Fresno idea or Zeitgeist are totally absurd a consumer-driven economy will never work and is total nonsense. So if you do not like the system why not move to a nation with Marxist dictators, but you will not do this for your bellyache and comp0laining suits you in a dictatorship you be in prison.
This video hits deep in today's time. May God help us all 😢
ah yea
God is dead, Humans are creating the world.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE NOAM CHOMSKY.
WHAT A GEM; CUTS THROUGH THE BULL ON ANY SUBJECT AND ALWAYS WITH AN INTELLECTUAL INTEREST IN (THE LACK OF) FAIRNESS FOR THE MASSES AND SHINING A HARSH LIGHT ON THE UTTER CROOKS THAT CRAVE AND CONTROL POWER.
you dont even get it
Personally I'm a fan of his unfailing composure and serenity. He feels strongly and expresses his views using very opinionated language, but it's always peaceful, serene, there are only subtle emotions. That's something I want to become. He's totally at peace with himself. If a quarter of the world was this peaceful we could have heaven on earth.
You might also be interested in Spinoza's Ethics.
I don't think money as a system of value and exchange is the problem.
The problem is, who owns the means of production? It's the 1% and not the 99%. Everyone should have some ownership and a stake in their workplace, as well as a voice in management.
Notice I didn't say everyone would be exactly equal, because then there'd be no incentive to achieve. But people should not be wage slaves.
Daniel Bradford Yugoslavia under Tito tried that - it was called self-managment, didn't work
You're referring to market socialism; it doesn't work. The whole idea is contradictory as it tries to mesh ideologies that promote both competition and cooperation. Yugoslavia's economy proved to be less efficient than the USSR's by most measures.
Really you think the average American is a wage slave? The average American easily consumers more foods and products when compared to any other nation.
Daniel Bradford,
I think it's both. Money system allows one to accumulate times and times more than one can ever spend or ever need. Money system is a middleman, we now give value to this middleman and completely behave as if the real value is in it and not in the natural resources and our ability to (more efficiently) extract them. This middleman is simply not necessary, we can do without it, and in fact we can do better without it. Without money one cannot really accumulate the kind of wealth that one can accumulate with money/middleman.
That's not to say that we cannot organize our society intelligently *with* money. But with our technologies we simply needn't any kind of money system, so why not leave it in the past anyway?
@@HorukAI If you know Yougoslavia was quite successful conutry my man
The only way of achieving Sustainability would be to transform the very idea and institution of money itself.
-- Prof. Alf Hornborg (quoted in ADBUSTERs #95, may 2011)
Corruption is not some by-product of monetary-ism, it is it's very foundation.
-- ZEITGEIST: ADDENDUM (2008) www.imdb.com/title/tt1332128
zeitgeist is a joke
"its kinda a technical question on the side, the real question is tyranny" have you even watched the whole Video? @musick2138
@Patternicity: why do you say so friend?
Zeitgest has some good critique of capitalism and the monetary and market system, but not really anything that hasn't been discovered before by Marx for instance. However, the idea of how society could look like are good. My biggest gripe with TZM is really any comprehensive idea or plan on how to get from A, where we are now, to B, post scarcity.
Hesket it's a massive compilation of bullshit and exaggerations culminating in a ridiculous utopian vision of a world without money or politics. worse than so-called "libertarian" free-market utopians. a propaganda classic, designed to appeal to the most brainless, least critical on the left. I knew from the first part (criticizing religious bullshit with more lies and newer bullshit) that it was going to be more entertainment than informative.
I wish that I had his critical thinking skills and vocabulary. I know what is going on ,for the most part, but I don't have the education or vocabulary to express/convey my thoughts. Noam Chomsky's level is where I want to be, politics aside.
Peter Joseph needs to have a talk with Dr. Chomsky. I like them both!
such an open mind and amazing human being...hopefully our species will reach evolutionary point when the ideas and quality of thought of such people will be mainstream way of life.
a socialist and globalist.....
Humans aren’t getting better, I’m afraid. We’ve been going in the wrong direction for over 12,000 years.
Hope this man is still alive and well.
Word
Chomsky is a polar star -one of the lights that show better alternatives.
This is what we’re living though right now; the de-revolution !
We are organizing comrade
LOVE you Chomsky!!! It's AMAZING they ( The Fed. The American Government, Etc. ) Allowed Noam to live as LONG as he is.........Anyways Thank you so much for posting this GEM 🎸💚
not amazing at all. this is the most free country that has ever existed in the entire history of the human race. in this country you could be a single guy in a garage and start up a company that competes in a billion dollar industry and win precisely because this is a free country.
@@mayainverse9429 hahahahahaha 😹
Lmao! The american dream! You gotta be asleep!!!
Wake up, America is owned and operating under fascism!
Collective mob mentality charading as Democracy lol!
Our government borrows money from a private bank at interest.... I'll let you think about that for a while....
What happens when a government borrows fiat monopoly money from a foreign bank??? Anyone anyone
Bueller?
Right on Brother Chomsky Continue to Educate the Masses of People.
If I see what the Universities are producing then I wonder, the world led by some academia, (or as they say, experts), is in a bloody mess and Chomsky contributed to that??? Oh man give me a break....
Yep, Noam is right on the ball again. We need a paradigm shift to a more humane society. 'People before profits', especially when it is now profits at ANY cost, including wars and human misery.70M refugees and still counting.
I just made a clip on our codependency to capitalism! This is so important 🙏🏽
Whoa so true
Smaller countries aren't powerful enough to stand up to multinational corporations, that's why we need the EU. That, and of course the united negotiations with outside countries, which gives the EU a much greater leverage than the individual member countries would ever have. And the free inner-European trade which can only be realistically managed if a common entity makes the production standards, and exporters from one country don't need to keep up with the standards of 27 other countries
Kaizen cards were low technology physical currency used to organize production on assembly lines, learned from my Total Quality Management classes. The cards were just re-usable work orders one department passed upstream for what their stage of production needed without writing on a form and needing someone else to read it while they had work to do.
Kaizen cards would still be useful for any labor intensive company competing with automation using companies.
Physical currency is mostly a good thing.
interacting for the algorithm
Money is how much we value it.
We're getting close to not even needing money anymore so if you got plenty of it then go ahead and pass it on to those that don't and that will bring us more quickly into a society of abundance
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Damn straight.
Noam Chomsky discusses the possibility of a social system operating without money, but he emphasizes that the more pressing issue is the elimination of tyranny. He argues that the current system, with its increasing concentration of power in unaccountable private corporations, is a form of tyranny. These corporations, which have the combined functions of judicial, legislative, and executive powers, wield significant influence over government and media, and undermine markets through various means. Chomsky believes that these tyrannical structures, which have an overwhelming effect on life, have no right to exist and should be dismantled. He suggests that the real question is the elimination of tyranny, and the role of money in a democratic society is a secondary concern.
A system without money is not difficult to imagine at all. Roddenberry's Star Trek has an Earth where there's no money. Gone with it are the gross inequalities and tyrannies of our gilded age. All we have to do is decide to do it.
Isn't Star Trek world basically an Military Tyranny? Yeah there's no hunger , object poverty, and so on... but still... at the end of the day, it's gonna be Starfleet's way or highway.
@@damianotommassi3378 Star Fleet is not a military tyranny. It's the mutual defense force of a federation of semi-autonomous planets with their own cultures & laws. An Earth equivalent might be NATO or the EU.
Roddenberry also never really explained how that would work he just assumed that somehow it's possible but they never go into the details so it's basically a fantasy
You lost me at star trek
@@philv2529 Remove economic competition and replace it with cooperation. There's still hierarchal competition in rank, career success and advancement but not in wealth. People work not to sink or swim but to live fulfilling lives whether they work or not.
“The real question is tyranny.” 4:29
he just talked about problems with money, not society without it. i personally couldn't conceive a world without money (if by money he means currency in general; don't know what else he could mean that would warrant a question). so long as trade exists, value will exist, and so long as value exists, some kind of physical embodiment of quantified value will exist.
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Zeitgeist. All life is priceless, therefore it is immoral to profit from or place value upon life. All life including the Earth and all its finite resources. Evolution is unimagined potential.
you have to understand that in political economy money is just a commodity, that is intended to represent value, regardless of how that value is measured.
we don't think that money is inherently the problem
+Austrin Stephens
most strains of anarchism are opposed to markets?
oh really now? where did you read that? Bakunin?
oh wait, of course you didn't read it there, because even anarcho socialists and libertarian communists are not opposed to markets, you're just pulling that out of your ass
Research the concept of a resource based economy.
Imagine if the purpose of your work was the actual work itself and not earning money.
Only the true roles of society would remain.
The profit/debt based monetary system hinges on the private ownership of the means of production.
This system is based fundamentally on power exploitation and inequality so regardless of its internal consistency it is based on arbitrary absurdity enforced with power, whether perceived or actual.
Video could easily ends at second 34. Brilliant this man.
Venus Project is the way to go!
Agree. The Venus Project may be our one hope.
The question should have been on fiat money. Money itself is just a token of payment. The corporation's to which Chomsky alludes include banks. The scam is the collateralization of debt.
I wish even 1% of Americans understood this simple fact.
voluntary society, small business - decentralization, reputation system instead money partially (for basic things). Money would still exist for "luxury" things ( borderline of luxury is pushed neverending progress) and some companies may be would not join that system
A classless stateless moneyless Global Community.
damn this is so relevant today
So that's why mr Bezos have a nice, warm seat in Pentagon
Brilliant dude!! XD
Misleading title but very informative video thank you
The title is not misleading. U didn’t understood it. That’s it!
The insight is incisive, comprehensive, eye opening and revolutionary but the implementation is daunting to say the least.
One of the truly great Americans.
lol no. he has done absolutely nothing for the world. an Indian immigrant family who owns a 7-11 who employs 2 people has done more for the world and society than this man has done in his entire life.
a great american is someone who builds a massive company that provides incredible and amazing products for society while at the same time providing jobs to millions of people who would other wise be homeless.
Christian Gerber His linguistic stuff did something good for society though.
@@mayainverse9429 Ever heard of academic research and teaching? You have the right not to personally value education and knowledge, but it doesn't mean that they are useless to the world.
education and knowledge are only as good as the stuff it can produce. you learning about philosophy and then debating for 5 hours what would it feel like to live in a 4 dimensional universe is not going to cure illnesses or put food on peoples tables or more efficiently move people and things around the world.
computer engineering is a great skill to teach people because it helps society become better itself. there are many things you can teach that have real meaning in the real world.
the thing is a lot of the stuff Chomsky promotes he could easily have been a source for a solution instead he just spent his entire life talking out of his ass rather than actually doing something about it. Imagine the supposed good he could have done if he were a Captain or a General in the Army during any of the wars he so greatly opposed.
He didn't answer the question. He just criticizes the system. That is easy. Hard part is proposing a better alternative.
Chomsky at his best. We forget that humans for most of history lived without money, so it's obviously very possible to have a society free of money.
What will be the incentive to get anything accomplished and what will happen if people do not do their jobs?
@@ChickenCaesarSalad People had jobs and worked long before the concept of currency existed. Incentives were: Shelter, food, community. Under that paradigm if you choose not to work it's basically the same as if you choose not to work in today's society, you become without shelter and without food.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs Someone has to make, produce and deliver the food, it doesn't just show up at grocery stores or restaurants. Someone has to create or delevop homes, maintain them, fix them when they need to be repaired, etc. We live in a society where it is more complex than just shelter and food. We have the internet, television, smart phones, cars, smart appliances, air travel, etc. Those never existed in the paradigm you go back towards and support. Not everything is in the best interest of a collective. People make decisions on their own. It is the individuals' responsibility to work to provide for themselves. They can develop the skills necessary for higher paying jobs that require more complex skill sets when they are young instead of smoking pot, committing violent crimes, getting multiple women pregnant and abandoning them, playing videogames instead of studying, and not showing up to school. You don't get whatever you want and do whatever you want simply because you exist.
@@ChickenCaesarSalad I'm confused as to what you're arguing. The point of this video is that obviously, societies can and have existed without currency. It's possible to imagine a society in which people work and do all the jobs you mentioned without currency. Hard to achieve? Probably. Possible? Yes.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs there are more moving parts in society today than before. There will be no incentive to do anything productive without money. Why would anything get done if no one is compensated for it? Just because someone exists doesn’t mean everything should be given to them. You would have to address laziness and poor choices as well and I don’t see that being mentioned
even without money, there will be a power struggle. love noam chosmky. ❤
I agree to most of what he said. I just dont think there can be a better way.
Think harder then
@@wendiesel2606 I try to see through the possibilities rationally, but can´t see any.
@@queleimportapene6582 this is assuming you want to live the same way you are living? because a world withiut money wouldn't be that at all.
Incredible.
A TALE of TWO VAMPIRES
"The other day I ran into Count Dracula in the street, just arriving in Buenos Aires. I found him in very bad shape, extremely depressed. The Count had hit rock bottom. Bags under his eyes, jaundiced, skeletal. I said to him: 'Count, it's been so long, what's happening, and what are you doing in Buenos Aires? Did you leave Transylvania? And Count Dracula said to me:' 'I'm here on a visit. I'm looking for a psychoanalyst. I don't know if you know of one who can help me, because I've found out how these multinational corporations operate, and now I've got an inferiority complex that I've got no idea how to get rid of.'"
----Eduardo Galeano (interview with Susana Hoffman) May 26, 2013
Brilliant!
Trade is an intrinsic part of the human condition. Money only has value because we believe it has value.
Tell that to the nomadic hunter gatherers of today or your ancestors 15 thousand years ago.
2:44 I think a strong marker of just how intelligent Chomsky is (far too intelligent for me to judge) lies in precisely these additions, such as: "under some circumstances, it might be democratic" to want federal government to wield less power (which is precisely on what so many Republicans insist). It's difficult to argue against that ideal, perhaps, but when you observe the effects in practice, you simply will not find "government of the people, by the people, for the people."
A society of any significant scale would not be able to function without money, money allows you to trust the medium of exchange rather than the individual person. Without this trust there would be less incentive for cooperation and more incentive to be distrustful and use force, also the coincidence of wants would pose a massive problem
Maybe we shouldn't be a society of a significant scale.
And what metric are you using to define significant?
@@Acanthophis anything bigger than hunter gatherer
thank u sir God bless you
My hero!!
Oh fuck.
My hero is Jesus Christ.........Chomsky cannot come even close to the wisdom and knowledge that Jesus has....
@@johnvanvliet2076 No one asked for your opinion. This clip is about academia and knowledge. We are not here to discuss religion. Religion and verses from the bible can only do so much. It is men like Chomsky who provide the concepts that can actually be used to create a better society. If your bible was so useful, then why has it failed to create a better society for over 2,000 years? Of course you will justify that based on sin, however, the truth is that we need men like Chomsky, we do not need more Christians expressing their undying faith and love for JC. Even he would agree with me... Intellectuals are crucial for a good society, and in that realm Noam Chomsky is the cream of the crop....
@@vesogry not exactly an educated response. Trolls don't belong on this clip....
@vesogry
Firstly; I never called him a great economist. That's the first thing.... Secondly, he is the father of modern linguistics. But to say that he doesn't know the economy is absolutely ridiculous. I have read 55 of his books on a wide spectrum of topics......he knows the economy as well if not better than any mainstream economist I have heard of....and I've read their books too. The important thing is that he knows what is pertinent - control, the democratic deficit, etc. The stuff that the mainstream guys leave out. He is not just a linguistics expert. He is an expert on countless fields within many academic realms. I know this based on personal experience as well - I spoke to him in person for 90 minutes back in 2015. In terms of breadth and depth I believe he is the greatest academic on the planet. Perhaps you prefer only "specialists" and you believe that all areas should remain separated? I don't believe that. But the fact that you felt the need to ad hominem me makes you the lesser man. How educated you are - i do not know....
The good part is that some are talking the truth, the sad part is few are listening!
so the issue is the abuse of power, enabled by the institutions in place, which have gone by unchallenged for long enough to be taken advantage of by the privileged elite?
Am I understanding this correctly?
Sort of. The problem is not that the institutions haven't been challenged, but that they are being corrupted and hollowed out. But it boils down to the abuse of power, yes.
Chomsky is a syndicalist, so he wants to replace the existing government with a different system. Still a government, but not corrupted yet, and presumably much more difficult to corrupt.
He's just ahead of the curve
"Maybe money should be a part of a decent society maybe it shouldn't. I suspect it probably should. Some form of means of exchange." - Noam Chomsky
a bunch of double talk.......and some call this brilliant???
@@johnvanvliet2076 You missed the point. Means of exchange is not the same as a commodity. It's a valid and very good point.
did he say this before or after or during this video? because if you think about things properly like he does, his answers change. he is a philosopher anyway, he shouldn't have solid answers, he's only giving examples on how to use your brain.
@@johnvanvliet2076 he never answers the questions he’s asked, just uses it to go off on a tangent and talk about what he really wants to talk about… Noam is no different than the average politician
@@cantbanme792During. It is in the video.
And he's not a philosopher, he's a linguistics teacher.
Being a fan of both Noam Chomsky and Thomas Sowell, men with very interesting yet opposing takes, makes me realize that I have a LOT to learn.
For a "system" without money to work, it is my simple opinion, two very important things would be required.
First would be "Free Energy" such as Nikola Tesla tried to create and distribute.
Second would be "Star Trek" like replicators. With these two things available to the people, free energy and the ability to create anything using free energy, money would never be "needed" again.
we would just have to lessen our greed and teach our kids that if I have something, another should too. that's all it takes. it's about removing this idea of transaction, not money. money doesn't fuel our machines, money does pump blood around the body. we have raised people to live in a world that has taught them that they must be an individual and work for individual success that they must only share with those they are obligated to share with.
capitalism has seeped into our very idea of life.
@@cantbanme792 “teach our kids that if I have something, another should too.”
If I have a motorcycle, should everyone else be FORCED to buy a motorcycle? If other people don't want motorcycles should mine be taken away?
This is the idea that everyone can be the same height, weight, looks, intelligence, skills, talents, education, interests, desires, wants AND NEEDS.
This is a communist ideology which forces “everyone” to live in poverty, “each according to his “NEED””, AND NOTHING MORE!!
Do I “NEED” a car? No, you can walk! Do I NEED 3 meals a day? No, you can 'get by' on 2 meals a day, maybe 1! Do I NEED a place to live quietly on my own? No, you can 'live' in a large barracks with a bunk and one bath and shower for everyone! THAT IS ALL YOU “NEED”!!
Communism FAILS everywhere it is FORCED on the people and NEVER, EVER create this “imaginary” equality, because it CAN'T!
And then there is ALWAY the wealthy “Fearless Leaders”, who always eat well, have a quiet place to live, a car to travel with, have more than they “NEED”, and receive the “perks” other people are DENIED!
This is complete asinine bullshit designed by the Elites of the World to make themselves feel MORE important than everyone else BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO ENFORCE IT BY THE ARMIES THEY HAVE WHICH HAVE BEEN PAID FOR BY THE LABOR OF THE POOR!
Try “THINKING” for yourself for a change instead of 'parroting' what other TELL YOU TO THINK!
0:25 "... we can think about a very different social order... Getting rid of #money is one part of it, which I don't think is the crucial part..." (Noam Chomsky)
... not the crucial part?
As long as we believe in rituals of buying & selling, we enable & solidify structures of #tyranny & #corruption.
And on the other hand, we could ask why anyone would feel the motivation to ask for money, if we had somehow successfully overcome and transcended a system of social relationships based on rivalry for economic power, on corruption, manipulation and egotistic delimitation.
All the power necessary to establish and uphold corrupt, unnecessary or tyrannical power structures hinges on our belief in money and rituals of buying and selling.
If we long to free ourselves from tyranny, we should begin by dissolving the relevance of money and economic power.I think that the most crucial and promising way of #liberation and social emancipation is to establish social horizons where money becomes irrelevant.We have to move on, beyond this madness by building up social networks based on solidarity and social responsibility beyond rituals of economic negotiation of claims, beyond short sighted delimitation and rivalry.
Yes, I think it's crucial indeed to overcome money, because we enable manipulative social structures by our belief in rituals of economic negotiation and justification of claims. Money and tyranny is an interwoven system. (It always has been.) We won't be able to get rid of corruption and tyranny, as long as we hold on to the belief system of economic value and economic power.
you are a serious idiot. I don't give a fuck who you are but I don't work for free nor do 99.9999% of people in the world. there are only 2 methods of trade with a money system or with a bartering system. bartering works for a tiny small village who have a very small variety of products and services available. but bartering quickly becomes too complicated when the potato farmer is trying to buy a new car with 40,000 potato's when the owner of the car does not need more than a small bag of them.
@@mayainverse9429 potato farmers wont exist, there are already food factorys who produce sell and even destroy tons of unsold products, these will turn in to BIO factory and produce those potatoes for free. cars are also not practical, you get stuck for hours in the city traffic, so again new practcle solutions for free, modern fast train network will replace cars or who knows what. You work for free and consume food, clothes and everything you really nead everywhere for free. Coz thats how are we doing right now, coz money isnt real, the worth that it has is just because government force us to use it. Its pice of paper. How can bag of paper be worth the same as one house?
This rollercoaster
Chomsky is the Mister Rodgers of anarchists. That’s meant as a compliment.
Nicely put! 👍
Where's trolley?
Was* he lost all respect when he suggested we should round up the unvaccinated and put them in camps
Chomsky is such a fucking legend.
Wow, he talked a lot faster.
Listening to him is therapeutic
imagine a planetary voluntary cooperative human society creating all its needs by sharing the earth's resources without money or barter where the resources have only use value ( Usufruct ) for our survival & well-being. Hence no money & no Tyranny of the few over the many.
whose needs? whose resources? will there be any property rights at all? what will one individual's responsibilities? what about freedom of choice (what if I would prefer to work on something other than what this planetary voluntary cooperative human society wants me to do? what if I would like to do it later? or in another way?) who will enforce these rules you are about to come up with, and what will we do when one person's needs for survival and well being come into conflict with another? who will decide who will be sacrificed? have you heard of ayn rand?
Just to add to Austin Stephens already thorough post, I think that for now the most basic answer is that different communities will have to decide what works best for them, and you can only get there through experimentation. Democratization of the workplace (worker ownership and management) will probably be a near universal.
One benefit of a more managed system of production, one not based on a pell-mell race for growth and profit, is that it could reduce real working hours drastically. I don't know about you, but I would not complain about working even a tedious job if I had to only do it for 4 hours a day, with of the rest of my time to spend how I like, which may be in the pursuit of a form of production I find more congenial to my talents and interests.
Sivananda Sai Chilukuri burn your Ayn Rand book
How young and naive you must be
Barry Soetoro I am eternal in my essence and feel sad for the millions on this earth who die of hunger, disease, because of a programmed corrupt money handicapping system that serves the psychotic super money rich elite who cares nothing for the rest of humanity & it's getting worse . Hope you are not too ageist or too naively programmed yourself that you can't see the monetary chains being inflicted on humanity that serves the interests of the perpetrators. Almost everything we do is controlled by money.If you can't pay you go without - how tragic and retarding is that for the majority .The next step for human evolution, psychological sanity & our survival is to share the earth resources as one co-op that benefits one & all without exception.Endless money printing is a symptom of how desperate they are to maintain their deceptive wool over our lives.
It's a complex system where nobody wants to take responsibility but everyone wants to reap the benefits. The longer we wait the greater the debt we incur to ourselves and the environment. I think it's clear by now that humans won't stop this voluntarily. IMO the answer is to switch to a deflationary financial system that encourages people to save and stop buying useless sh*t. I think the answer might just be Bitcoin.
As much as I would like to see a world like the one Noam Chomsky is referring to come to fruition, it is easier to see the end of humanity than the end of capitalism.
Tyranny, domination, and control are interconnected concepts that pertain to the exercise of power and authority over others, often in oppressive or authoritarian ways.
Corporatism was the love child of twenties fascism and now it’s everywhere.
The suppression of others to self gain, evil in a nut shell.
Welcome to the modern world.
yes, money is evil
Tremendous. Absolutely tremendous!
Sounds like a very good idea !!!!
If we could copy and paste everything from Chomsky's head into a machine and then let the machine run things, that would be great.
welcome to youtube, cog
Smart and lazy idea
You sir, want tyranny itself. Clear as day in a comment like the above. You want the tyrannical rule of Noam Chomsky. Look in the mirror long and hard. Please read more.
He is mistaken, mega-corporations LOVE federal government. And the more federal government grows, the more power the corporations have
Kansas, all by itself, proves that he is very correct.
Who owns Kansas?
Resource based economy
i would very slighty disagree. i do think we can't dethrone tyrannies for sure without getting rid of monetary systems as well. Wage labour makes machines of people.
人之初 both because semi-liberated systems tend to decay quickly. not just tyranny and monetary sytem but family, peer pressure etc. all oppressions at once.
existential. anarchist I don't know what he had in mind specifically, but I don't think he was talking about wage labor, since that's something he also regularly criticizes.
lmcfigs existence of monetary system is more or less equitable to wage labour, i guess? Like purpose of existence of money is to fairly symbolize the work someone has put into some job. if you mean money as just a token to be fairly equally shared among people, if that's what is meany by money, then i'm fine with that.
i'm aware of chomsky's general stance on this issue. He's a weird actual ''communist'' syndicalist which i adore.
existential. anarchist
Zeitgeist.
Just finished listening to an audiobook recording of Bertrand Russell's *Proposed Roads to Freedom* where he discusses Anarchism, Marxism and Socialism (writing around 1918). I can totally see why Chomsky liked Russell so much. They almost sound like the same guy.
Chomsky and Russell are more in favor of Syndicalism, which favors organizing by industry and across industries, rather than in the political arena of elections and parties.
I think you'd be into that book.
Very relevant right now
As long as there's a mind the system will never be perfect.
Especially when something with no mind (money) dictates everything
so get rid of systems. stop tryna make people all the same, all part of some plan.
If tyranny is the problem, then govt should be dismantled, because it forces people to do things without a choice. But free markets allow individuals to make their own decisions.
Noam goes anywhere he wants, talks to anyone he wants, and says anything he wants all the while making a lot of money talking about tyranny.
Not a bad gig if you can get it.
You are just a stupid person to believe in anything you say. Go hide in your moms cellar again, you pos.
Everyone check out a documentary called "free lunch society"
Bless you Noam Chomsky!!! 🙏❤️
a system without money has been designed and put forth in Utopia by Thomas More, Saint Thomas More.
remove money, "20" credits per month that doesn't stack which can be exchanged for perks needed for the chosen field of "work", give public assignments to every ppl for basic needs such as food, shelter and communication, so that no one would ever need to "work" more than 2h per day ( the more ppl the the better ), remove country borders and change flags into regional ones, decide or create a new universal language for united communication... i have stopped watching tvs since 2000 and never once got interested in the "normal" way of living because the only interest i have is music and becoming a musician, but it all crumbled because of this stupid system. we are void of our own natural talents and curiosity because of the education system. humans are a highly intelligent people that at this point of age. we could have been already gone into mars... but it's withheld by greediness... most of my friends consider me weird because i don't think in their "logic" way of seeing things which is forged by the education system and "obligations" towards life. when you start a family you act by LOVE and do ANYTHING to secure the future of your kids which led to the word called MARKETING, it created more greed, stressed environments, inequality, sarcasm, liars, war, etc..... money sure did us a good advancement in terms of technology, now it's time take advantage of what we have created and move towards HUMAN progress....we need to change the currency system because we all have become enslave to it. Take a look back before money was created, we learned how to use fire, cook meat with fire, invented the clock, created landscapes etc... the land doesn't belong to anyone but the earth itself... if i would pay rent, i would rather pay it to our beloved planet, because everything that surrounds us came from it.
briliant lec.
This is one specific where I most disagree.
Money provides both the incentive to tyranny and the means to scale it to infinity.
It is at once a driver and an absolute tool of abuse.
Only by removing it can we neuter the impulse to abuse others and the means to accomplish it on a large scale.
Money is nothing except a medium of exchange with an agreed upon value per unit.
In our monetary system currently it is tied to debt, as Fiat, but fundamentally money is nothing more that 50 chickens or 10 goats
Amazing comment!
Money continues a cycle of exploitation that will only end when we evolve past the idea of money.
Thank you for speaking your truth!
@Wendi esel And thank you back.
Many vital truths have a way to go unnoticed. It falls on us who can see them to find ways to spread them around. They are the keys to a more civilized world.
In the future through technology. Everybody will be independant. You won't need to hire anybody, and you won't need to work for anybody. You do it all yourself. And u don't "need " money
Thats hilarious
source video unavailable, is there's re-upload somewhere or at least how I can find this documentary/interview in full?
2:42 That was the plan....good to know
"The crucial part is getting rid of tyranny. Power is going into the hands of totalitarian structures that are totally unaccountable--namely private corporations....huge in scale...it's a tyrannical system that doesn't have any right to exist any more than other tyrannical systems. Media, entertainment, advertising...it's all a reflection of a network of private tyranny." The aim is to put even more decisionmaking into PRIVATE UNACCOUNTABLE POWER. That's the core of the system and that's what's got to be dismantled--totally. It has no legitimacy, it comes out of the same intellectual roots as fascism and bolshevism and ought to be dealt with in the same way.
It doesn't get any clearer than that.
how exactly are they totalitarian? relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
first of all you have to have a monopoly on the use of violence aka the government to come even close to being totalitarian. second. I am a below average poor guy in my 30's. just a few days ago I was looking around in the Iphone store and i walked out without giving them any money. not only did I not suffer any kind of evil "totalitarian" backlash the evil bastard corporate mind slaves said to me "thank you for visiting, have a nice day" how dare those evil sick bastards demand that I have a nice day.
@@mayainverse9429 Ever hear of loitering? If you look poor enough and like you can't afford anything there, they can and will call the state to forcibly remove you on their behalf. They don't need to own the violence themselves if the government is in their pockets. Internally, private corporations ARE centralized and totalitarian. The board of directors tells the C-Level what to do, and the C-Level tells everyone else what to do on down. It's very hierarchical and totalitarian (if you refuse you're fired), and is accountable to no one except the board and shareholders. (Which, importantly, aren't elected by the general public.)