New Chinese solar power plant worth $430 million
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2021
- Today, solar energy is the most promising area for generating electricity.
The only serious drawback is the inability to operate solar power plants at night. And while scientists from all over the world are looking for innovative ways to solve this issue, the Shouhang Chinese company has found an original way out. The new solar power plant, worth $430 million with a capacity of 100 MWp, operates around the clock without power losses.
But how exactly were they able to achieve this? French designers in 1968 completed the construction of the Odeilia solar oven - the largest complex at that time. Located in the south of France, the complex consists of a large mirror 54 meters high and 48 meters wide. Mirrors placed around it capture sunlight and redirect it to a mirror, which concentrates them on the tower.
At that time, scientists were able to raise the temperature in the tower to 3500 degrees Celsius in just a few seconds!
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so this 100MWp solar plant produces 390 GWh/year equals a continues power output of 44,52 MW. so considering cost, this would come in at $9 658/kw. for comparison the Hinkley point C nuclear power plant is currently at €12 500/kw. i'm not arguing against solar or nuclear, i'm just putting some numbers into perspective here.
I'm all for it. One of the first power plants of this type I had heard of years ago was built somewhere in Spain. It was described as being very successful. This idea has been around for many years and is not exclusive to China. Companies are also developing massive storage batteries that do not require rare Earth elements. The iron-air battery is looking hopeful. So PV is not outmoded.
Also liquid metal batteries are good too like what Ambri doing
"One of the first power plants of this type I had heard of years ago was built somewhere in Spain. It was described as being very successful."
Can you share your source? Because all I know this has been one big failure and a hazard for the environment. It ignites birds mid flight, it cost a lot of money to maintain, the supply of solar - meaning the output of the facility - is unstable and therefore unreliable and as last last it's way, way way more expensive than regular solar power or other ways of generating renewable energy.
I do recollect that reading on newspaper, while they spreading Chinese propaganda
Check out Ivanpah CSP facility.
Is this a CCP propaganda video. There are already alot of CSP out there, including the 125MW plant in Morocco that was built in 2018. And they are planning on building a more powerful one before 2030.
I hope they emulate the agriphotovoltaics exhibited by another Chinese effort using tracking PV I recently saw. They were using the partial shade and wind protection to turn the desert green. No reason this couldn't be done using mirrors instead of solar panels.
Did you miss the up to 1,000c and more in seconds birds fly dude china is a fucking jungle at least 40% of china is how many birds bats and other flying things go through there lots.
Before you say oh thell go away its ok um no california has 1 and its 3 miles from a bird preserve for endangered birds 50% or more die the last 3 miles why they light on fire smoke or explode before they even know what happened.
Look it up before you go off saying I don't know shit.
@@thesilentone4024 Thesilent One it was better when you were silent
@@alexanderdvanbalderen9803 yes true dont forget dogs to for they get the ground birds to.
China right now is 30 to 40% done with there 2 or 3 river merger on the desert side of there country to help farms and add forests or mybe just farms its been a moment 😅.
Carbon free power, this is amazing. Clean energy for the world
While making those solar panels using fossil fuels, what a joke.
@@iloveTrump45 complaining while buying solar panels from China, what a joke 🥴
@@hotbeat7228 Climate Change, a scam made up by China
@@iloveTrump45 Bird brain talk.😄😀
@@iloveTrump45 they ain't solar panels-they are mirrors!!
Glad we contributing in this 🇲🇦 feel proud as a Moroccan
Lol
How? Did you mean project Noor? This video is about different project
Similar toNoor plant in Morrocco
You're right, but I see a little difference, Morocco plant only can't keep producing electricity for 8 hours after the sunset. This can do it for 3 hours more.
Maybe the patent should belong to them in a legal way?
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Noor in morroco is failing and also they using water from the only water source in morroco source where should go to agriculture and people but it use to generate electricity for euro country
@@rdzwancmay1348 there’s one in America that operated only one year and they changed to solar panels, apparently they are a pain to operate and maintain. I wonder how is the one in Spain, that is the first solar thermal power, I think it also closed by now.
All I see is China experimenting with all renewable methods, looking at what others have tried and researched it, tested it, and improved upon it. and kept trying till it works the way they imagined it would. Instead of abandoning the methods.
If anything China's renewable sources are quite diverse.
you are right with not abandoning but...
we have to be careful with what they claim. usually numbers are not true and failures don't matter as it is used for propaganda. (see all the microchip factories that never produce a single chip)
some scammed billions from the governen. They literally bought chips from US and printed their logo on it. and were celebrated as national heros. of course they got caught and the whole industry is doing these tricks to get govt money)
solar energy, yes, thats easier to do. but if you see what really happened its also not nice.
they undercut prices with producing at a LOSS to slowly destroy the worldwide solar industry. now we "enjoy" cheap cost od solar panels but they all come from China. and decades of R&D in the West got destroyed. same in other industries.
I have not heard of these braggings from Beijing Shouhang itself on the claims made here of this Helioscope. They had worked with the Moroccan facility to find improvements. Instead of steam, they are now contemplating on using CO2. Notice this video did not present any interview with any Shouhang's personnel.
A solar powered steam turbine isn't new. I think it'll be easier than traditional solar panels to create power en masse. Worth thinking about for sure.
Solar usually in arid area.... that one needs water for power generation...
That one might be for easing power
supply at night....
Its better in industry for a few reasons
@@venusreena2532 The factory idea was a good one for sure
Solar panels are only 20% efficient, have a short life span of 30 years, need a cooling system for each panels or else efficiency will decrease and require a toxic mineral to make. Most government install them only to look clean and turn blind eye towards the complexity of solar panels thinking installing a few blue mirror = good stuff.
For some reason, I felt like I watched a commercial
yeah, it wasn't well reasearched either
Amazing technology. ☀️💪🏻
PV is only 25% efficient at best, for all practicle purposes, nowhere near the 50% mentioned. Slowly getting better. No mention of how efficient this system is. Very unlikely to be as high as 50% IMHO. Good to be trying out various ideas on large scale experiments - we wil not find out what works best without trying them out.
Not a good idea to consider efficiency , kost per W is better,
@@JustNow42 assuming land cost is not a factor where you live
@@robertberin4872 what are you talking about? LCOE include cost of land, the land can also be used partially.
All those solar panels..i see high maintenance, just in cleaning them..let alone anything else..but when it’s working..awesome.. i wish them all the best..
Very similar to the Noor 1 complex in Marocco. Same rating but Noor has 15 hours storage. One thing with these towers are that they are verry efficient birdkillers. The bright light attracts incects that then attrachts birds that get fried in the radiation. Placing this kind of equipment in decerts is not optimal since they need a lot of water .
Nothing new. Convert to HYDOROGEN and you can use it both during day and night and into vehicles too.
Except that you will lose between half and three quarter of the energy. Hydrogen is energy storage of last resort.
Wow it would be sustainable and a best way of using the energy😇
Great invention.
Solar energy obtaining 50% efficiency?? Let’s be honest, the best panels today get about 30%. The other 70% is lost or can’t be converted, this is why Solar has the most promise in terms of potential gained (outside of fusion reactors)
30%? That is in the labs. The average efficiency of solar panels is 18% today. Account for transmission and distribution losses then you will know why solar energy is expensive in many places.
Normal panels have less than 30 % efficiency. Mayby 25 % if the panel is new.
Amazing !
This type of system can be coupled ith a natural gas, garbage, wood, peat, oil or coal burner to make it a base load power station. There is one of these in Medicine Hat Alberta, Canada. It is the parabolic CSP but the concept is the same. Certainly the ability to recycle these parts is noteworthy
Coupled? Why would any reasonable world citizen buy the crap being pushed as renewables in north america? Burning shit is bad! It don't matter if it ain't fossil. It's bad. Nuclear, this & modern grid. Otherwise=all gone=chao>>>>>bronze age collapse for like 10000's of years.
Hello from Edmonton lol. I lived in Medicine Hat for a few years I loved the big hill that goes down to the train tracks I'd fly down that hill on my bike to work every day. Really nice town. When did you get snow there? If at all yet?
Amazing 🤩
Amazing....👏👏👏👏👏
Great 👍
Innovative!
I think you would still need batteries for cloudy days. However it looks wonderful.
Remarkable 🌞
The Crescent Dunes plant in Nevada is the same type of concept. It began producing power in 2015 and stopped in 2019. Heard the company went bankrupt. No idea of its current status.
I think solar panels and compressed air generators are a better solution.
I believe during cold winter months in northern hemisphere, this one doesn't work out so well.
Sunshine is not available every day, but we must make full use of it.
Whenever i hear about a new solar or wind farm going live they tell me the GWH it produces. Then think on a national level how much coal and gas we have had to burn to produce this beforehand. It is quite mind boggling
Looks like NOORo 1 in the solar complex Ourazazate in Morocco. Works just fine since early 2016.
It's actually the Moroccan project, the Chinese one haven't been finished yet
Is there a stock available, to put some money in this kind of project. So if l got it right the evicenc is about 33%. And the costs to build this kind of power plant per MW? Just a suggestion, it would be so lovely when under the mirrors is green and some sheep's keeping the grass down (like ecoparadis) just for marketing purposes to attract more people to invest in.
Even if there is a stock available.
The US, US sponsored Ministers and Media would cover it up with the Chinese Thr eat.
Got to travel to China or Hong Kong if you want the best and latest information.
The center is basically a laser. I can imagine birds flying through it and immediately getting vaporised like in war or the worlds.
Don't tell Julius... he wants to go to the sun at night....😂
It’s not like the Chinese discovered concentrated solar thermal? Completely misleading. Dubai has one of the largest in the world, Morocca has one.
You didn't listen properly. They took the idea from the French and commercialised it.
Simple idea hope it catches on, makes sense. Problem with solar cells is manufacturing costs and the fact they produce DC. When we need AC.
LCOE level of CSP Outlook would not be as low as PV, so better option is PV+Storage(Thermal Battery, Li-Ion Battery vs.)
Très belle initiative , dommage que la France qui était pionnière dans ce domaine n'a pas exploité au mieux cette solution !
yes this is the way to go
This is anything but a new idea. Not necessarily a bad idea, but why is this video claiming the Chinese just invented this? Or is that just what they tell the Chinese people themselves? Maybe they’ve made improvements, but these types of plants have been around for decades.
If you listen carefully, it didn't claim the idea was invented by the Chinese at all, except that this plant is the tallest in the world. It gave credit to the French for the first heliostat using mirrors to collect solar energy in 1968. Neither did it claim that the molten salt idea was invented by the Chinese (the first solar molten salt was in Sicily), except that the company had to carry out R&D to get it to scale. But your prejudice against the Chinese made you accuse them of making spurious claims. There's no need for that.
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I know it hurts some people in regards to technology especially Chinese ones. Swallow your pride. Learn how to listen carefully b4 jumping on the bandwagon. Rome wasn't built in a day. Have you ever heard of Quantum Jiuzhang 2.0 and 6G just being announced by Huawei ?
@Plain Truth Not coming from Whytes when it comes to China. Facts!
The thumbnail and the title looks like chinese propaganda
@@bikeborneexplorerindia4976 Don't worry about us Chinese. Take a good look into the mirror. Do better than us or nothing else.
If you want something said, ask India.
If you want something done, ask China.
- Maitreya Bhakal
this is amazing
In future they will force all human beings to live underground for lack of space because all earth will be full of such technologies.
Amazing. Glad someone thought of it.
it costs twice as much as solar panels.
@@davidanalyst671 and it produces twice as much as conventional solar panels!
@@kenjd57 it may produce more energy per land use, but in terms of overall cost, it is still expensive. Its in china, and china is having trouble keeping up with demand for electric, so it will be in use for a year or two, but eventually this will go bye bye.
I'd like to know which company designed and installed it. Please recommend me
This is great for the world. Love it. Big oil, coal, gas, energy companies will hate it as it will take business away from them
this can EASILY be installed even on cities (mirrors on the roofs)
This isn't new.
It's already in US.
Also, This is inefficient and are getting eradicated.
Why? Because solar are more cheaper, these are no longer cheaper. The cost of electricity by this is twice.
初期會比較昂貴。但新聞說。未來計劃將每一千瓦的太陽熱熔鹽發電。控制在成本0。5人民幣。大約0。08美元左右。
太陽能光伏板成本更低。不過需要花錢在電池上。現在就變成兩款選擇。
It proved science is coming to save us all in waves
Errr you skipped over how much of the population this will provide power for.
Towards a sustainable future
Cool, the solar technology will continue to get cheaper & more efficient as time goes on
Renewable sources of energy that preserves nature, man and beast. ∆
Wonderful, let it operate for atleast one year with all climatic changes
I have think of this when I was younger but my teacher told me its impossible :l
In India 1000mw planted already in rajasthan district
I'm worried about the birds flying above it 😢 cooked birds falling from the sky new news headlines
What? The energy is concentrated on the tower. Everywhere else it's just sunlight. Also, birds are smart enough to shy away from heat as they get closer to the tower where the heat becomes gradually too concentrated for comfort.
Huge horizontal axis wind turbines are dangerous for birds, although cats kill 2.4 BILLION birds a year in the U.S. alone. The very highest estimates available for birds killed yearly in the U.S. by wind turbines is well under 400,000. That's 0.01% of how may yard cats kill every year. It's probably way less than that. CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) towers don't kill any at all.
Too many fail to think or inform themselves at all before they draw goofy conclusions. Reminds me of our politics today. I could run around spreading this myth about solar towers killing birds and tons of people on social media would probably make it go viral. Dumb!
@@robertwendell1556 Ikr that so stupid. That comment was so absurd because it's common sense that a bird would simply shy away from the heat if it did emit any heat.
No birds are harmed by climate change?
There are trillions of birds, cut it out
Stop using Facebook goddamit
The mirrors are huge and constantly in motion. Therefore, much of the generated electricity goes into actually keeping the mirrors in motion?
Super
The only drawback it the cost of power being from 2 to 5 times more expensive than fuel.
California has a mirror type solar power and it did not work and it was closed last year.
I hope the France and China can do it.
Jai Hinduja. India can also provide the Brain power to the US for the solar installation and operations like in Google and Microsoft.
Why was this not mentioned at world global warming summit meeting?
It is not may be CSP IS THE SOLUTION it is more environmentally friendly than PVC modules.
I dont thonk this cab be build everywhere considering climate (clouds) and also stronger winds...
These plants have been in spain, usa and much of Europe 10 years before this. Search on UA-cam.
This is really not unique. It's done all over the globe anywhere there's sufficient Direct Irradiation... the tower is just a storage system as common to any other energy generation system that is designed to withhold surplus for curtailment purposes.
The potential is immense as we move forward.
Yes maybe in your country its not unique but not all countries. So lets share the information
@@ronewathenga5280 this is nothing to do with country or privilege. There is sunshine all over the world.
Every government is aware of the technology. It's not new, it can and is being done. Just a case of willingness in doing what's right for their population.
Efficiency shouldn't be measured in kW/m² it should be cost/kWh,, I'm not sure but I think you are measuring efficiency in the former term
We doing this in Australia also
Looks like a location in one of the fallout video games
But how efficient are the thermal power plants using the steam generated?
Efficiency in solar power is not so important. More important is the investment price per kWh.
This is better than solar panels and coal power plant. What is cost per unit? Is it cheaper than coal?
If Chinese thinking to build on. We in morroco already have one like that design and two others a bit different. Noor 1noor 2 and noor3.
This plant will be shut down in 2022. The plant costs $430 million, and it only makes $39 million dollars of electric. So it takes 11 years to pay off. Solar is 7ish today.
What’s the name of the company in Chinese please?
Zero energy prices that consumers
Is it going to work like all other Chinese made products and fall apart in six months?
@Plain Truth The Germans and the Japanese have always had too much self-respect to justify manufacturing junk.
If you want the best electronics, buy Japanese.
If you want the best in machining, buy German.
If you want milk that was watered down and then thickened with melamine, buy Chinese.
If you want food stuffs manufactured with some of that same milk, buy Chinese.
If you don't mind buying products that can and have broken while removing them from the packaging, buy Chinese.
The ancient Chinese persona of working hard and diligently to achieve something of value only exists within the confines the the Forest Temple and no where else. That pride in perfecting oneself and things was murdered by Mao.
@Sora L I do recall an amusing comment many years ago from a Japanese manufacturer who remarked American-made products reflect the laziness and lack of ingenuity they had. Soon after, there were t-shirts with the atomic bomb plume and the heading, "Built and designed by lazy and unimaginative Americans, used in Japan." Of course a few years later GM and Isuzu combined efforts for engines, then again, GM combined to produce cars in the 90s. Ford had a few forays into Japanese automakers with the Ranger.
Good afternoon
This system is very good, please help , it can use in the future next very good
Can it share to others countries, or gives a good solution
I wonder if this would work with salt water and purify it at the same time?
good thought. that would solve two problems probably more
It looks as if the Chinese plant is in the desert (good for solar) but where is the water sources for steam? How efficient is this system in recycling the water that is needed to generate steam. Many traditional thermal power plants need to be near water.
Dump, use salt not water
@@americannumber2 "use salt not water"
I don't think you understand how this works.
You use the molten salt to boil WATER, to make steam, to drive turbine, to make electricity.
In the desert there is not much water to boil. So not much steam. So nothing to turn the turbine.
Never heard of solar panels efficiency greater than 35% efficient. Don't know how you claim 50% efficiency in the video.
@Zack Smith what?
You need 10s of those to compensate for 1 nuclear power plant!
These mirror fields are expensive to build and maintain and require lots of real estate and sun which limits their placement. They are a blight on the landscape and at some point in the future will have tons components to be recycled and disposed of. I look at these technologies as baby steps as to where we need to go. Most people don't realize that throughout history every time a new energy technology evolved the old ones were never replaced. We still use all technologies from burning cow dung to solar because as the population increases so does the need for energy. We need something that can surpass the power of all coal, oil, and natural gas power plants in use today along with being competitive in price. To put that into perspective China has over 1000 coal plants along with 240 in the US. We have a long way to go to reach the "holy grail". I am hopeful.
MWP is not mega watt power.
but megawatt peak
Can the udea be used for production of iron and steel?
😢
Your numbers are way of. A nuclear power plant uses 3 360 000 m^2 per GW installed and not 16 000 000 as you stated. And not to say that a 1GW nuclear plant supplies a lot more power than this.
Good job china. As an Indian , I must say we both have to lead the world in this regard.
😂😂😂😂
China is already leading the world
Spain did this first,
the fact you didn't mention it
is very sus.
This system was built in the California desert and was shut down due to operational expenses was greater then income. Sounds like a good idea but
Pitter patter, let us get at it
Research shows this concept is a failure due to operating costs being higher than the plant can produce. It actually costs them money every day if they ran it.
Hello, What is the name of the Chinese company?
Should have done it all underground...
Love it. But do birds? Is there a giant KFC selling crunchy birds at the base as they fall? I have no idea how much of a problem this is. So it would be good to touch on that too.
It will work good until a volcano darkens the sky. So might want to keep the old technology as a back up. Just in case, but add a million of these throughout the world too.
Solar is temporary until fusion energy is commercialised 🙂
Build one on Mars to drill and melt rocks and minerals into place to create a Toroid effect that will warm it up and shield it from solar winds
If you make the main tower a pyramid it will create a preservative nature
You just put some puzzle pieces together for me.
I think I recall hearing that below the Great Pyramid was some sort of salt water canal.
Someone please help add more information on this.
Thanks
A great idea but not Chinese in origin at all. The worlds largest system was built in the US and only ran for less than 2 years before being shut down due to excessive running costs. The cost per KW to produce power is just too great plus they require constant maintains. Salt is incredibly corrosive plus you have all of the associated costs of running a thermal station. PV stations are in the order of 8 times cheaper per KW
Chinese know how to do the same things at a fraction of the cost compared to America.
Genius
They should now replicate the effort in Sri Lanka, helping them with balance of payment and currency exchange!!!!
Funny how you edit in a time lapse of a bustling street in Korea and still talk about China haha
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People still troll china but they already living in 2050.
❤ Solar panels lose there efficiency as they become dirty.
How do you keep them at optimum efficiency?
employ windowcleaners of course
I'm the Head of a solar plant design team in Germany. The irony is that to keep clean, we DO NOT clean at all. This is because cleaning will scratch the glass and cause it to lose even more efficiency. To resolve this, solar panels are made of actinostrain grade 218 silicon that has a positive charge and repel dirt on its own using static charge. Even after a rain, the charge slowly discharges dirt on it. However, every 5 years we inspect and replace some of the mirrors and it still remains at around 95% efficiency. A well built plant can last for 50 years without issues.